Everton hold on for a great win at Elland Road

Everton held on through a second-half onslaught from Leeds after going into what should have been a commanding 2-goal lead in the first half.

Michael Kenrick 03/02/2021 618comments  |  Jump to last

Fabian Delph is fit again but it remains to be seen whether he will go straight back into the starting XI or be eased back off the bench
Leeds United 1 - 2 Everton

Everton held on through a second-half onslaught from Leeds after going into what should have been a commanding 2-goal lead in the first half.

New signing Josh King is apparently available and sits on the bench, despite other suggestions that he had not been registered in time for this game.

Fabian Delph is finally fit again after been out for almost two months with a hamstring injury.

He will be available for selection against his old club but Allan remains sidelined, as does Jean-Philippe Gbamin. Bernard, whose move to Al Nasr fell through on deadline day, will also be in the squad after being left out against Newcastle in preparation for a possible move to the UAE.

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Robin Olsen started in goal after Jordan Pickford picked up a rib injury in training this week.

From the kick-off, a quick Leeds throw-in, Raphina almost caught out Digne and led to an early corner that was cleared by the slowly waking Everton team.

The first time Everton really got any possession and Calvert-Lewin was too keen to lay it off with a misplaced pass.

With not much happening, Gomes played a lovely ball out to Digne who conjured an excellent cross that saw Gylfi Sigsursson play like a center-forward, running in to slot home with consummate ease. What a goal!

Everton surged forward again and Calvert-Lewin worked his way in to a fantastic chance to double the score but he decided on a lame shot that totally lacked any conviction, desire or intent to score.

A much stronger shot at the other end forced a decent save from Olsen that led to a couple more Leeds corners.

Holgate overlapped down the right and was fouled by Harrison who was shown yellow but Everton did nothing with the free-kick, which led to a decent Leeds attack but Olsen saw a header fly high over his bar.

Leeds won another corner, leading to a fantastic strike from Alioski that was covered well by Olsen but hit the outside of the post. Leeds were applying some pressure but Godfrey and the Everton defence were standing firm.

A free-kick for Leeds was glanced up, deflected off Calvert-Lewin and needed Olsen to tip it over his bar. Everton then attacked strongly on the back of a great run from Godfrey, Sigurdsson firing goalwards but too close to Meslier.

Everton looked to structure a really threatening attack but Richarlison had strayed a yard offside in a very fluid move. The game was a lively end-to-end affair, Doucouré almost setting up Calvert-Lewin, who needs to be much stronger in commanding the ball.

Good work by Iwobi set up Calvert-Lewin for another great chance that he fired well wide of the Leeds goal. Holgate got forward well but crossed straight to Meslier.

A good Sigurdsson corner came off Godfrey's shoulder at a perfect height for Calvert-Lewin flying in at the far post to convert with his head for his first Premier League goal in almost 2 months.

A nice piece of ball skill by Sigurdsson drew a free-kick that was cleared to Iwobi but his volley was well off target. So ended a lively half with Everton firmly ahead but Leeds always looking to attack.

Everton couldn't really cope with the energy Leeds showed from the restart and Raphinha powered a lose clearance under Olsen to get them right back into the game.

Leeds continued to swarm forward, Everton struggling to cope and unable to retain possession, with Leeds players lining up, Mina fouling Alioski.

After 10 minutes, some respite with a free-kick for Everton that almost fell to Calvert-Lewin. The ball in struck a defender's arm for what is usually a cast-iron penalty... it would favour Everton.

Leeds attacked ferociously, and in an amazing flurry of chances, Olsen came up big at least three times to deny Leeds their equalizer. But unless Everton retook control, it seemed that would inevitably come.

Leeds worked another nice play that saw Bamford place a looping header onto the top of the bar. Everton got some rare possession and play it back to Olsen. Doucoure did well to win the ball and provide it for Calvert-Lewin who was far too easily denied.

Calvert-Lewin did well to play forward but lacks the skills needed to beat a keeper from a narrow angle.

Josh King came on for the last few minutes to make his debut as Everton struggled to hold on for the win, Mina committing a foul that set up a free-kick which he then headed away brilliantly to set up a great break and a golden opportunity for Calvert-Lewin. What does he do with it? An atrocious attempt to pass it into the goal, making it easy for the keeper to stop, when he had time and pace to go around him.

Into 5 minutes of added time and another determined Leeds attack that saw corners and throw-ins as they continued to fight and Everton sought to defend everything that was thrown at them to secure a famous and very rare win at Elland Road.

Scorers: Raphinha (48'); Calvert-Lewin (9'), Sigurdsson (42')

Leeds Utd: Meslier, Ayling [Y], Cooper, Struijk, Alioski, Phillips, Raphinha, Dallas, Klich (69' Roberts), Harrison [Y:17'] (87' Costa), Bamford.
Subs not Used: Casilla, Hernandez, Davis, Cresswell, Shackleton, Jenkins, Huggins.

Everton: Olsen [Y], Holgate [Y], Mina, Godfrey [Y], Digne, Doucouré, Gomes, Sigurdsson (89' Davies), Iwobi (87' King) , Richarlison (80' Keane), Calvert-Lewin.
Subs not Used: Virginia, Delph, Nkounkou, James, Bernard, Coleman.

Referee: Michael Oliver
VAR: Chris Kavanagh

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Barry Robson
1 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:46:04
I trust in Carlo but don't understand that midfield selection. Hope I'm wrong and Gomes/Siggy have blinders. UTFT
Jay Wood

2 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:46:56
Hmmm. Looks to me that Doucoure is going to have his work cut out tonight with Siggy, Gomes and Iwobi playing alongside him. Good luck with that.

I hope the game time Digne has played since his return is getting him back up to speed, because he has been off the pace since his return.

Dave Williams
3 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:48:57
So King is eligible after all. The bench looks decent but I can’t understand such a pedestrian central midfield with Gomes and Siggy against such an energetic opponent in Leeds. I guess the hope is that James will come on when Leeds are a bit tired and be able to influence the game much better from that point.
Back four looks good though.
George Cumiskey
4 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:50:34
I just cannot believe the team he has picked, just handed the match to Leeds in my opinion. Carlo lost the plot !
Kevin Prytherch
5 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:51:35
I’m continuously struggling to make sense of Ancelotti. Tom Davies has been one of our brightest players in Allans absence and seems to be the only player capable of performing a similar role, yet he will always be overlooked.

When we need a response to the Newcastle debacle, step forward our inspirational captain full of passion and energy - errrr Sigurdsson.

Leeds are likely to go man to man, we’ll start the one player who can find space against anyone - on the bench.

I only hope this is 4 at the back with Digne in midfield and not the dreaded 5-2-2 (purposely leaving Sigurdsson out of this formation.)

Let’s hope he knows what he’s doing...

Tony Hill
6 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:52:32
We must hope for something unexpected. I agree with all of the above.
Christy Ring
7 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:53:01
Wow, Siggy captain and leads by example?, our midfield no different from Newcastle, and we were completely outplayed, can't understand why Davies didn't get a start with Holgate beside him.
Danny Broderick
8 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:54:01
Shit team picked!! I cannot believe what a crap team he has picked for this game. Gomes and Sigurdsson in midfield???!!! They are gonna trample all over us. WTF??!!
Paul Smith
9 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:54:30
Not convinced with that midfield always gone with Carlos choice but have concerns tonight.
Dave Williams
10 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:55:19
Kevin- Keane is a sub so it has to be a back four with Digne at left back?
Alex Winstanley
11 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:57:57
What the hell is that team??
Rob Dolby
12 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:58:41
I don't like that midfield, Ancelotti called out the lack of effort against Newcastle but includes Iwobi, Gomes and Sigurdsson. they are the equivalent of Kenneth Williams, John Innman and Duncan Norville. Let's hope that there aren't any wet paper bags on the pitch or those 3 will get trapped in them.
Neil Lawson
13 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:02:54
All very strange team selection. Fortunately my internet died today so can not watch it all. Gods are with me. Maybe with the boys too but why do I doubt it ?
Martin Berry
14 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:04:08
We will get overrun in midfield with that line up.
Davies for Siggy would have been better, but I fear Carlo is frightened of dropping the latter as it could justify he has picked the wrong formation.
I really hope I am wrong.
Michael Lynch
15 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:04:39
That’s a strange team but we have a lot of strange players. I guess we’ll park the bus but still 2-0 to Leeds with our pedestrian midfield
Thomas Richards
16 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:05:30
Last chance saloon for a few players here.

He has called them out, now hes giving them a chance to redeem themselves.

The jury is out on Sigurdsson.
Iwobi is showing improvement.
Gomes is struggling to regain his form after the injury

Jay Harris
17 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:06:14
Unlike many I don't mind Siggy at least he has a goal or goal creation in him and he does cover a lot of ground not the fastest though and with the pedestrian Gomes alongside him will be a liability not an asset against a rapid Leeds team.

I can only hope he is going 4-4-2 with that team selection.

Kevin Prytherch
18 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:07:23
Dave 10 - good point. Missed that in the midfield bewilderment!!!
Tony Everan
19 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:14:26
Mmmm, shock-horror. Wasn’t expecting that line up!, can’t see that midfield getting a grip on the game at all . Godfrey and Holgate back in is a plus though.

Someone said before , this is Everton. You never know quite where you stand. Expect the unexpected.

Tony Twist
20 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:15:47
Is it a bird, is it a plane, no its tinkerman! My god what a midfield. It could only be worse if he had swapped Doucoure for Delph. I feel we have lost before we have even started the game! Prove me wrong Carlo but at the moment I think you are clueless.
Stuart Sharp
21 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:17:03
I understand Godfrey coming in at CB. I sort of understand James being on the bench. Sort of. But the Sigs and Gomes combo is just weird. Hope to be proven wrong. I'd pick Davies against a team like Leeds any day of the week.
Thomas Roberts
22 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:17:12
I will be amazed if we get anything from this game. Shocking midfield selection and how bad does Richarlison have to play to get dropped? I expect Leeds to take the boatload of chances that they missed at Goodison and win easily. I sincerely hope that I am proven 100% wrong!!!
George Cumiskey
23 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:17:17
Rob @12 lol 😆😆, but true !
Jeff Armstrong
24 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:17:45
Last chance saloon??
What’s he gonna do, get rid of them in the January transfer window?
Bring in all those better squad players chomping at the bit?
It’s easy street for this lot until summer.
Teddy Draper
25 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:17:49
Could anybody please give a sensible answer to this, WHY,WHY,WHY Siggy? We play every week with ten men, he’s lazy, timid, and is not a player you want in a crisis. I think he personally has cost us a minimum of 6 points besides the points Pickford has given the opposition. If Leeds play well tonight, look out!
Gavin Johnson
26 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:18:26
Gomes and Sigurdsson start against one of the Prem's most mobile midfields
Tony Everan
27 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:18:33
Tony T,

It either he’s clueless or the ToffeeWeb posse are, because nobody predicted or expected that line up.

Jeff Armstrong
28 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:19:38
Why Siggy? easy, cos Carlo has his favourites who, as far as he can see do no wrong!
Thomas Richards
29 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:21:21
Coronation Street starting in 10 minutes for the lads who see us having no chance whatsoever of getting anything out of tonights game.

Dave Williams
30 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:22:02
Kevin #18 I know what you mean. I found it difficult to fathom as Carlo seems to be the only person who thinks the midfield can function with Siggy and Gomes together.
I’d expect King, James and Tom or Bernard on after an hour but fear that the third member of the Unholy Trinity- Delph- will instead appear to make up the slowest midfield around.
That said I have been wrong before!
Terry Farrell
31 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:23:55
Thomas Richarlison has been off form but is one of our best so you start him. agree davies should start instead of gomes to give more bite. also keane must have a knock? First goal is crucial
Danny Broderick
32 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:26:12
Furious with this team selection. Sigurdsson captain???!!! Gomes!!! It’s a joke!!!
Graham Hammond
33 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:27:37
Is this team selection going to help keep the likes of Tom Davies at the club? I think not. Maybe destined to follow Vlasic and Lookman and Barkley and Kean out the door, all talented young players.
Ciarán McGlone
34 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:28:35
Dropped good performers and started underperformers..

Strange stuff

Phil Smith
35 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:34:03
Same team? Same result? More than likely. Pfffff...
Simon Dalzell
36 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:35:35
Good to see the Manager's pep talk has toughened Richarlison up.
Sean O’Hanlon
37 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:37:06
Lost the plot a while ago. Sigurdsson and Gomes!
God help us!
James Fletcher
38 Posted 03/02/2021 at 19:52:47
I see we're going for the usual score a goal then shit our pants - excellent
Simon Dalzell
39 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:01:09
Pitch is a joke. No one can keep their feet.
James Fletcher
40 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:06:37
Yeah that pitch seems to be shocking, especially if it's new.

Godfrey on the other hand is looking great. Richie seems better too, maybe a bit concerned that King might be after his spot.

Phil Smith
41 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:12:21
I’ve always been a fan if DCL but on current form he’s fecking woeful! Needs dropping if he doesn’t get his head right! Prove me wrong, lad.
James Fletcher
42 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:13:31
You were saying XD
Ernie Baywood
43 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:14:27
I'd say the pitch is ruining the game... except I'll take this!

Goal and an assist from Sigurdsson, by the way.

Phil Smith
44 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:18:23
Was trying (and succeeding) to tempt fate. Lol. He’ll never get a hat trick though! 😉
Tony Hill
45 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:21:06
Fucking hell, where did that come from? I thought we were great in that half. Sigurdsson and Gomes have had a shot of something.

Please let’s maintain it.

Chris Mason
46 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:22:43
The patented ToffeeWeb optimism barometer.

Slag off your team first so no one else gets there before you.

Then pretend you didn’t when the team / ‘deadwood’ players actually play well.

It’s tough being an Evertonian, but it’s harder reading the ToffeeWeb comments.

Ciarán McGlone
47 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:22:54
Fascinating game.

Most important thing tonight was to show some bloody effort.. that box has been ticked.

Sigurdsson more comfortable in the advanced position. Still a couple of tragically misplaced passes at the back but at least we look like we care today.

James Fletcher
48 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:23:42
Ha Phil!

Siggy is still struggling a bit in open play but good for the goal and some nice crossing/corners.

Gomes is being his usual self, but the old Gomes. His ball retention has been great and his passing on point too.

Goal for Richie would be nice as he's really trying, but I wouldn't find much fault in Dom bagging a couple more either

Jim Jennings
49 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:25:45
There’s more goals in this for us if we go at the heart of the Leeds back four. A third would kill the game.

That’s the best half of football Gomes has played probably since his injury. Dovetailing well with Doucoure. Gylfi a little on the periphery despite his goal. Good to see Dominic back among the goals.

Amusing to read some of the above comments, none more so than 32 and 37.

Ernie Baywood
50 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:26:55
Something is working amongst the slipping over. DCL more involved than I've seen in weeks.

This is a crazy season. How can we (and seemingly everyone else) be so up and down?

Michael Lynch
51 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:27:21
Can’t argue with that half. Godfrey has been good and siggi is having a great game. I assumed we’d be parking the bus but we’ve been positive. Olsen looks like a first choice goalie and the hoofing instead of fannying around at the back has worked
Jay Wood

52 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:31:13
Enjoyable game.

Soooo much better than the fayre they offered v Newcastle.

We are not playing that differently from the home game against them. In that game, Carlo also had his centre backs carry the ball through their lines. Something that Mina and Godfrey both have done.

The difference is that DCL, Siggy, Richy and Iwobi are doing a better job pressing their back line which in turn is coughing up the ball to the likes of Doucoure and Gomes to start a new wave of attacks.

Other than the header Olsen turned over the bar, they really haven't threatened our goal. Everybody playing well. Dom perhaps could have done better on his shot from the edge of the area, then laid in the frantically overlapping Richy. But very alert for his goal.

Gomes and Siggy making everyone look mugs. Other than a suicidal pass across his own penalty area by Gomes and one loose back pass from Siggy, both are playing very well.

Lovely ball by Gomes to release Digne down the left for the cross for Siggy to tap in. Excellent corner from Siggy for the Godfrey-DCL combo on the second goal. Sublime control and turn by Siggy on the stroke of half-time to earn us another free kick around their penalty area.

The pitch is a bitch. I'm expecting it to claim an 'assist' at any moment.

There could be more in this for the Blues IF we maintain these levels of application and concentration.

Thomas Richards
53 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:32:20
Looks like they have responded to the bollocking
Christy Ring
54 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:33:50
Godfrey immense, Gomes running midfield, hope for the same 2nd half, and good goal from Siggy, great buildup.
Tony Hill
55 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:36:36
The tedious swipes at people offering a rational view pre-game after Saturday’s fiasco and previous individual performances are on time, I see. Marvellous.
Rich Pembo
56 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:36:39
Great comment on all fronts Jay
Fran Mitchell
57 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:37:13
Possibbly our best first half all season, except maybe the Fulham 1st half (and the second of that game shows there is nothing to take for granted).

The key difference? Quality? No.

Energy, passion, desire, work-rate. Those things Ancelotti highlighted were so absent against Newcastle.

Leeds really do run like they've had a pint of espresso before teh match, and fair play to Doucoure, Gomes and Siggy who matched them. And Holgate and Godfrey too really giving us the energy needed.

Quality by Gomes and Digne, anda return to DCL's poaching ways put us in charge.

Here we go...we're in for a wild ride

Chris Mason
58 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:42:01
Tony. Try backing your team in a tight spot rather than taking every opportunity to run them down.

Hang on - LEEDS HAVE SCORED. Don the tin hats lads. Tedious indeed.

James Fletcher
59 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:44:20
Such a frustrating team to watch. It's like they don't want to touch the ball at the moment...
Sean O’Hanlon
60 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:45:09
Here we go! Winning 2-1 but only a matter of time before the inevitable
Still, we're 5th in the table as it stands
Si Cooper
61 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:47:30
Leeds / Bielsa not helping themselves by sticking to their usual/ single gameplan? We will always create something against teams that don’t look to block the options down the flanks. Leeds swarming us but we will get some chances eventually.
Tom Davies for more bite? The lad works hard but he is not a fierce tackler. Tom Davies for more nuisance value, never for more ‘bite’?
James Fletcher
62 Posted 03/02/2021 at 20:49:51
clear hand ball missed for us there
James Fletcher
63 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:10:32
I really hope we don't regret going defensive for the last 10-15. Was hoping to King get a run out.
James Fletcher
64 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:12:10
Speak of the devil Would love him to score one on his debut...
Phil Smith
65 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:15:48
No, he and we have reverted to type for this half. DCL has been indeed been woeful once more. Get him off.
James Fletcher
66 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:17:04
He really should have bagged a second there, poor finish
Phil Smith
67 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:22:44
He’s been rubbish for too long and 2 tap-ins of late won’t paper over the cracks.
James Fletcher
68 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:22:54
We appear to be desperate to concede...so many poor decisions when all they're being asked to do is hold the ball.
Thomas Roberts
69 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:25:55
All the fight and effort with great attacking intent that was missing on Saturday was on show tonight. Great win! Now for some consistency, please!
Pete Hughes
70 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:26:34
Vital 3pts, Dcl was indeed dreadful,!
Thomas Richards
71 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:26:50
Craig Walker
72 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:28:07
Great performance and some desire, at last. Doucoure and Godfrey were my pick but everyone contributed. If we’d have played half as well on Saturday, we’d have won. Thought Carlo managed it well tonight. We never do it the easy way though do we?
Bill Gienapp
73 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:30:11
"I just cannot believe the team he has picked, just handed the match to Leeds in my opinion. Carlo lost the plot !"

"Shit team picked!! I cannot believe what a crap team he has picked for this game. Gomes and Sigurdsson in midfield???!!! They are gonna trample all over us. WTF??!!"

"What the hell is that team??"

"My god what a midfield. It could only be worse if he had swapped Doucoure for Delph. I feel we have lost before we have even started the game! Prove me wrong Carlo but at the moment I think you are clueless."

Do people, like... rehearse this stuff or what?

Cristobal Aguirre
74 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:30:40
What a relief!
Keith Meakin
75 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:31:45
Come on Brighton
Tony Hill
76 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:32:14
Doucoure fabulous and Gomes and Godfrey. Excellent win.
Phil Teece
77 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:32:24
George @ 4: Leeds 1 Everton 2 - Oh ye of little faith!
Darren Hind
78 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:32:37
Decnt game too.

Kellys on early

Kieran Kinsella
79 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:32:52
Thomas 71

They see yet they do not believe. Blessed is he who does not see yet he believes.

Michael Kenrick
80 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:33:09
Calvert-Lewin's shooting is simply atrocious. He should have had at least a hat-trick. But of course he's starved of decent supply... or so we're led to believe.

Maybe he has focussed too much on getting those headers right.

Bill Watson
81 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:33:20
Great win! Good disciplined performance but my stress levels are through the roof!
Sean O’Hanlon
82 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:33:20
Phew! Blood pressure through the roof!
Godfrey and Olsen magnificent!
Thomas Richards
83 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:34:05
Elsie Tanner got caught goosing again on Corry lads 😂😂
Keith Meakin
84 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:34:08
Did I say come on Brighton haha
Brian Hennessy
85 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:34:11
Godfrey was outstanding. Doucoure had a brilliant second half. Special mention too for Gomes, he did some running in the second half. Great win and a great game to watch.
Joe McMahon
86 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:34:28
Godf8and Olden standouts from me. DCL does seriously need to work on shooting practice.
Terry Farrell
87 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:34:43
Doucoure was simply sensational tonight. Olsen has to now stay put great performance. Godfrey Mina superb and Richarlison much better than of late. Great game great win
Tony Hill
88 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:35:18
@58, don't tell me about supporting Everton. That comment is a disgrace.
Nicolas Piñon
89 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:35:53
Thank you for brining Holgate and Godfrey back in
Some common sense and wins are back
Jamie Crowley
90 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:35:58
Great game. More of that please.

If I were Carlo, I wouldn't let anyone run the rest of the week. Every practice would be tactical. I'd not even play small sided games. They have to be exhausted.

Great effort by every single player out there. I thought we'd see a response to the New Castle shit. We did.


Andy Crooks
91 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:36:08
Darren, 15/8 wasn't too skinny after all. Well done, mate, hope you filled your boots.
Fran Mitchell
92 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:36:25
Great win. Defended a lot...and defended well, Leeds were essentially limited to pot shots except one spell of 3 saves from Olsen (which while they looked good, I think he could have done better to push the ball out of the danger area. None shouldn't have been saved).

Hats off to Godfrey, Mina, Gomes, Doucoure, and Sigurdsson who were all excellent.

Richarlison dear dear. Worse than his limited impact is his sulking like a child who's just been sent out of the classroom. The lady's got to toughen up.

Great to see DCL back scoring. Could/should have had 2. Saving it for Utd.

Thomas Richards
93 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:37:03
Congratulations to the boys.
You not only won 3 points you also won one other.

Your Honour

John Cook
94 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:37:14
That was a great win against a tough,tough side.We showed spirit and graft for I believe,the first time this season.All the stick he's had lately I thought Gomes had an excellent game.,first time he has lasted a full game since coming back from injury.
Martin Berry
95 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:38:06
Olsen superb, Godfrey, Mina, Gomes and Doucoure put in a real shift.
I thought DCL despite scoring, had one of his poorer games, three times he had the chance to pass to better placed colleagues and failed to make the right decision, also missed one on one. Just one of the chances taken would have made it easier for his team mates to close this game out more comfortably..
Richarlison does not like being subbed, who would be ? I seeing him moving in the summer for a big fee, he does not look to happy these days
Tony Twist
96 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:38:09
Magnificent result. I am eating my humble pie Carlo. Well done, never stop proving me wrong.
Mark Tanton
97 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:38:12
A brain freeze moment aside, we defended well tonight against a team which has won a fair few games this season. Olsen was excellent in goal too - can't be dropped. Well done lads.
Oliver Molloy
98 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:38:56
Over the moon, was not expecting this. Good performance and if Olsen doesn't keep his place after that performance I don't know.
Ben Godfrey looks some signing does he not?

Touch and go for the last 15 minutes, but dug in and got our payback.

George Cumiskey
99 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:38:57
Great first half the Alamo second half I think he should of took Siggy and Iwobi off earlier
Jamie Crowley
100 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:39:31
Fran Mitchell good point.

I really like Rich, but man did he act like a self-absorbed tit. Spoiled child.

Someone needs to pull him aside and tell him to completely knock off the diving (New Castle game was embarrassing!) and that it's a TEAM game.

Acted like an ass. Grow the fuck up, son.

Darren Hind
101 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:40:15
musta been in the current.


spare a thought for Bobby Mallon took 16/1 for 2-0. I thought that was looking very good at HT, but at least he still wns

Dave Abrahams
102 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:40:28
We made it very hard and nerve racking to watch but warriors in Godfrey, Doucoure and Digne,very good performances from Olsen, Sigurdsson, and Gomes which saw us through the game, not mentioning anything else on a night when we won three points but maybe should have won by a bigger margin, but very happy with the result.
Jay Wood

103 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:40:50
Uff! I really look forward to the day when we play well over the full 90 minutes and we're not put through the wringer as in the 2nd half!

Goals change games and conceding as early as we did in the 2nd half changed the whole dynamic.

Leeds played well. Don't take that away from them. But we didn't half make life difficult for ourselves.

Mina is growing with every game and he had another fine game tonight. But also, he was chasing the ball and the player a bit which resulted in some cheap free kicks or leaving gaps in the middle of defence.

Mason Holgate had some good moments, but he has been nowhere near the standards this season that he attained last season. Yeah, a difficult ball to deal with on their goal, but it could have been dealt with better.

Nice to see Dom score again, but he didn't have a great game otherwise. He had a couple of golden opportunities to put the game to bed, either by scoring himself or playing in a team mate.

I understand a striker needs to be selfish and in most situations take on the shot himself, but tonight Dom could have helped the team more by lifting his head and playing in a team mate rather than take it on for himself as he did.

Godfrey immense in his natural centre back role. Digne back to something like his best. Gomes, Siggy and Richy all played well. Iwobi more peripheral.

What a triple save from Olsen preventing them from equalising.

But MoTM for me was Doucoure. I thought he was outstanding. Best game in an Everton shirt for me.

Amazingly, that's the first time in Everton's PL history that we have won four consecutive away games.

Good bounce back from Saturday against a dangerous opponent.

Jeff Armstrong
104 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:41:03
Doucoure, Olsen, Mina, and Godfrey all excellent, but for me Holgate is a liability, he’s strong and athletic,but absolutely woeful with the ball.
George McKane
105 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:41:52
And a denied penny.
David Cooper
106 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:42:13
OMG Siggy starting! When played off DCL he gets across the pitch in the press. oh yes and he scored!
Drew O’Neall
107 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:42:45
They’re talking about Godfrey on the telly but Mina was a rock today.

Doucoure also superb and we need cover for him because without his legs in the engine room we’d have a real problem.

Graham Mockford
108 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:43:47
I'm not sure if it's just me, but what exactly is the mindset of supporters who want to have a pop at a player who not only scored the winning goal, but who worked his nuts off and who is scoring at a rate of better than 1 in 2 for the last 12 months. I mean I'm genuinely fucking puzzled.
Thomas Richards
109 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:43:47
Hang on lads.

The Don is coming on the telly

Dave O\'Connell
111 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:44:55
Tremendous performance and reaction tonight. Olsen is number one now in my opinion. Holgate and Godfrey immense, they need to be first choice now. Gomes a composed performance. I'm a very pleased fan.
Dale Self
112 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:45:07
Everton innit Graham?
Jamie Crowley
113 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:46:04
Dave Abrahams -

You mention the much-maligned Gilfy Sigurdsson in your kudos comments.

I couldn't agree more.

Sigurdsson has played under some really shit managers for Everton and some really shit teams. But that guy, despite many limitations and errors, gives 100%, 100% of the time.

Yes, his free kicks can shit the bed. Yes, he can make poor decisions. Yes, he isn't gifted by the gods. BUT!

His effort alone should be applauded loudly. He's a Viking Warrior, and his effort often goes under-appreciated.

Mark Tanton
114 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:46:12
Can we go to Liverpool and win?
Fran Mitchell
115 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:46:38
Definitely Jamie. I've been one of his biggest fans on here, but something off in his head. There was one moment I remember when DCL missed a decent chance, and he could have out Richy through. Fair enough, DCL missed and should have hit it better. But Richarlison looked like DCL had just pulled the head off his favourite action figure.

Whenever he misses a chance, he doesn't pull a face of frustration, anger, or determination. He pulls a face of a child who's sulking because it isn't going his way.

Now I don't know, he's a very amiable and down to earth fella by the looks of his social media. And maybe he's a bit down - we all are - not seeing his family and friends who are unable to visit him - Brazilians in general are very very close to family.

But something seems off with him. An in form Richarlison could really push us into the top 4 but currently he shouldn't be in the team.

Colin Glassar
116 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:47:56
After the Newcastle debacle I’m not going to criticise any Everton player but the anger shown by Carlo on the touch line, and the reaction to the final whistle shows he really cares and isn’t happy to accept cowardly performances.
Michael Kenrick
117 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:48:30
Simple, Graham, because it's fucking maddening to watch him miss so many goals for Everton.
Laurie Hartley
118 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:49:00
Nerve racking is right Dave - but a win is a win.
I thought Mina and Gomes were outstanding.
I bagged Gomes and Sigurdsson after Newcastle so what do they do? I can’t remember Gomes loosing possession once, beautiful pass to Digne who crosses for Sigurdsson to get on the end of it and score a great goal. What do I know?

One thing that did concern me - Leeds were out early and warming up furiously for the second half. We strolled out and we all no what happened next. Something no quite right about that as far as I am concerned.

Mike Gaynes
119 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:49:26
Mark T, if BHA can (and they are at the moment), we sure as hell can!
Martin Mason
120 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:49:40
I find it fantastic when the negative brigade line themselves up to make complete idiots of themselves and to a one claim they are offering rational comment. Great, great win today Blues. All we need now is a good performance at United.
Bobby Mallon
121 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:50:55
im made up we won
Fran Mitchell
122 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:50:55
Mina and Godfrey could well become the best centre back partnership in the league. Pace, height, strength, ability on the ball, and just enough shithousary to make opposition strikers hate playing them.
Jamie Crowley
123 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:51:28
Fran -

I think his frown is down to the fact he's a fierce competitor. The kid runs his socks off - from that counter where he should of gotten the pass from DCL, to his millions of lung-busting back tracks that save our ass.

I have zero problem with his competitiveness and his effort. He can snarl and sulk all day long, if that's what motivates him.

But when the coach pulls you off, you go off and encourage your substitute as they enter the game. You don't whine and bitch. And you certainly don't act like a douchbag when your team is winning 2-1. Makes you look completely me-me-me self absorbed.

That's where that young man needs guidance and maturity in my opinion. He does a lot of embarrassing things, this isn't the first time we've seen it.

Brian Wilkinson
124 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:51:55
Like I said pre match expect the unexpected from Everton.

Carlo has to stand up now and stick with his inform goalkeeper in Olsen.

Kevin Prytherch
125 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:52:23
Chris Mason 46 - is that opposed to the posters who say nothing at the start then berate others for expressing their opinions when we take the lead???

Barring the first 20 minutes, I thought Sigurdsson faded into his usual anonymity. But credit where credit is due, he did have a good first 20 minutes.

The biggest plus for me was Gomes. Although Godfrey and Doucoure played better, Gomes actually covered a lot of ground and played like a central midfielder rather than the passenger he has done recently. I also thought Richarlison was much better and Olsen looks solid.

I just wish that, at 2-0 at half time, we would look to put games to bed rather than defend leads.

Paul Birmingham
126 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:52:32
Great win, true grit, a good sense of perspective, this squad has plenty of potential to realise.

Olsen was Big Neville almost, with those 3 back to back stops, great atheletiscm, and composure and focus.

That was a European old school away win, which some better thinking and composure could have seen Leeds out the game, by half time.

No complaints from, any away win is good and st an old bogeyground, even better.

It’s in the mind and if Digne can get in position to play some of these early whipped in crosses, then Everton, have a.p chance of a European place.. But the same aptitude must be shown in every game..

Consistency, but tonight Everton held firm and for all Leeds possession, they didn’t cut us up too bad, and all in all, a good fighting performance.

I hope the ghosts of 1984, can float into Old Trafford, on Saturday night, and Everton, can get a win.

Play the early crosses, then we have a chance but, there’s improvement in terms of anticipation, and smelling blood in the opponents box.

Our forwards are doing ok, but the percentage chances where early anticipation, and body shape makes you time and space to make the difference, need to be converted.

Enjoy the night and all stay safe and well.

Brendan McLaughlin
127 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:52:55
BT Sports Interview
Maybe it's just me but I love it when Carlo says he's "really pleased" & his brain ain't telling his face. I often played poker (and lost) with guys like that
Graham Hammond
128 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:52:59
Obviously delighted with the win, there you go Carlo, that's what you get when you bring a little bit more pace and aggression and youth and bite back into the side, hopefully, you will think twice before you drop your best and most important player (Godfrey) in future. On the worrying side, DCL (despite the one goal) and Richarlison are looking shite at the moment and King sadly looked shite too, not in great shape either it would appear. Doucoure (along with Godfrey) was immense, we need him fit and firing to fully function, Ben superb. Not sure why the guys seem so reluctant to get the ball over to Iwobi but that appeared the case tonight. Proof (as I indicated earlier on) tonight also that James isn't quite the first name on the teamsheet that the media and some Evertonians would believe him to be. Have a good night fellow Blues!
Graham Mockford
129 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:53:13
Jamie 113

The biggest problem with Siggy is he’s been played too many times in the wrong position. He’s neither a holding or central midfielder. He has to be played in a front 3. He has always had an eye for goal, he can spot a pass and his dead ball delivery is often good.

I’m not sure he’s a first team top 4 player but he’s certainly not as bad as the mob like to portray.

Mike Gaynes
130 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:53:44
Mina, Godfrey and Doucoure were absolutely awesome in this game. Gomes turned in his best performance of the season. Digne bounced back from his dismal day with the barcodes. Siggy didn't put a foot wrong. And Dom poached a gamewinner that he wouldn't have reacted to a year ago.

Great day. Especially if BHA hangs on.

Michael Williams
131 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:54:02
I just joined from the forum and read the first 40 comments or so. Almost all of them critical of the line-up and predicting defeat if not disaster. Definitely never sending my kids to the ToffeeWeb comments section.
Jay Woods
132 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:54:08
DCL's late chance to make it 3 was appalling decision-making and much less excusable than the power-puff shot he had saved in the first half before his well taken headed goal.

But I think both of those thing s are fixable by coaching; he needs to watch the replays of what he did wrong there and drill himself properly in training to make sure he does better next time he's in either scenario. Otherwise he's going to stagnate as a player; his position as central striker is nowadays a very specialist one in any team, just like goalkeeper; the margins for error are ultra slim for both positions, so these specialist players - for want of a better term - need to be 100% on top of their game if they are to advance or to stay elite.

James Flynn
133 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:54:08
Have to admire Leeds' 100% commitment to the attack. Also, to their fitness team. Every time I've watched them this season, they go full out for 90 minutes.

Great win today.

Bobby Mallon
134 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:57:17
Danny Broderick @8 are you ok still a shit team
Brian Wilkinson
135 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:58:38
Not sure what King could do in the 8 mins he was on the pitch Graham, even Roy Race would struggle in that amount of time.
Tommy Carter
136 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:58:56
Mina was much improved tonight.

Callum Wilson really bullied our defence at the weekend it the return of Ben Godfrey made sure that didn’t happen tonight. I think we are now at a point where Godfrey should start every game and we pick the other 3 next to him accordingly.

Is he the most talented player we have? No. But he’s the most assertive, aggressive and dominant by a long way. He drags others along with him, as he did with Mina tonight. He’s a very rare commodity in the modern game. What a signing.

Otherwise we did a very professional and efficient job. We were not the better side but we came to take 3 points and we did. Thank you very much.

Each test is your next game.

Peter Dodds
137 Posted 03/02/2021 at 21:59:41
Great win but following it on the Live Forum nearly gave me a heart attack. Just going by those comments, two things stood out: Holgate not the ideal answer at RB - on another night his mistakes could have been punished. And once again Carlo was passive when it came to getting subs on.
Steve Shave
138 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:01:10
Pleased with the 3 points, I had to miss the first half (typical) and quite frankly it wasn't pleasant watching us on the back foot the whole half. I was seriously impressed with Godfrey and Mina, the latter in particular seems to be growing into the PL more and more, I felt proud to watch how he was shouting at teammates and cajoling them, a leader is emerging from him. I am as always chuffed for Gomes when he has a good game, I still believe he will come back to his old self. Dom and Richy looked off, Doucoure immense. That pitch looked bloody dangerous.
Joe McMahon
139 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:01:14
I've just realised James didn't come on.

Jay - I've slway5felt for a while DCL needs some specific advice/work from a ex clinical finisher. Someone like Shearer, Wright et al. Even work with Kane when in England camp.

Jamie Crowley
140 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:01:23
Michael at 131 -

You're a better man than I. I actually encourage my sons to join TW.

None have had the guts or inclination to do it. I think they're worse off for it. ;0)

Gerry Morrison
141 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:01:55
Anyone looking for a good laugh, go back and read the first forty or so posts on this thread.
Tony Abrahams
142 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:02:25
Nervous watching on the telly, but that was a very dogged performance by Everton, against a team who give me loads of faith, and remind me of the way that the game was played many years ago.

Some very good performances there, Godfrey - brilliant, Doucoure - equally as good. Hard work and effort got us the three points tonight, and also contributed to making a very good game of football, for a change.

Oliver Molloy
143 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:03:34
Fran Mitchell @ 92

"3 saves from Olsen (which while they looked good, I think he could have done better to push the ball out of the danger area. None shouldn't have been saved)".

Go watch that segment of play again Fran, you are doing the guy a disservice in my opinion.

Barry Rathbone
144 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:05:35
Excellent result but the real plus is Carlo recognising the "no spirit" shithousery that has irked a good many of us for years and done something about it.

The next few games will show if he really has found the answer or will the dreaded normal service be resumed?

Tony Hill
145 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:06:02
Logic isn't a strong suit on here, is it? Never mind.

If Gomes carries on like tonight then it will solve a lot of problems. Apart from the famous performance he put on against the RS, that's the best I've seen him play for us.

Andy Crooks
146 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:06:08
Jamie, get your boys on board, cheaper and more productive than sending them to some expensive man making military academy.
Mike Gaynes
147 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:06:24
Oliver, I'm with Fran. Olsen made a huge distribution blunder. That pass out was suicidal. Those three brilliant saves (#2 with the leg was extraordinary) wouldn't have been necessary with a decent clearance.
Jamie Crowley
148 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:06:28
I've never felt more like singin' the Blues.

Four points off 4th with two games in hand.

Mike Gaynes
149 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:06:47
Drew O’Neall
150 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:07:11
🎼Oh I never feel more like singing the blues, when Everton win and Liverpool lose, oh Carlo... you got me singing the blues 😙🎶
Mick Davies
151 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:07:12
Klopp out!!! To be fair, like us, they can't win at home
Will Mabon
152 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:07:16
Thomas Richards
153 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:07:43
Its a two bottle night.


Derek Knox
154 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:07:43
I had my Covid Vaccine today, and despite looking forward to the game, started to feel the dreaded side effects, extreme headache, fatigue, nauseousness, about two hours before. I felt compelled to lie down after dosing myself with painkillers. Upshot was I missed nearly all the match, the Live Forum.

However feeling a tad better I am going through the comments and trying to piece together what I unfortunately missed, and am over the moon with the result. I must admit, I felt that the best I could have hoped for tonight after Saturdays abject showing was a draw, but realistically felt that was a long shot.

How do they do it? Going from being almost no hopers at home, to a gritty and deserved win by all accounts away, in the space of a couple of days? Hope has been restored, but for how long? Come on now, get a result at Old Trafford on Saturday, and not only will that boost our points tally but, will give us a realistic chance to push on for a Euro, or dare I say it a CL place.

Mick Davies
160 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:10:16
Mike @ 147 Like I pointed out on the forum, it WASN'T a blunder, it went straight to Doucouré, who failed to control it.
Conor McCourt
163 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:11:09
Fucking brilliant...what a night.
Paul Birmingham
165 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:12:39
I’d keep the same starting team, allowing for any injuries, sustained tonight, versus United, but if the tea leaves suggest that Allan is available, who knows, but I’d go and play to attack United. The squad is showing character, but this same virtue must be a default at home, which, is Everton’s, Achilles, this season.

Their defence isn’t the best but they along with City, are the best at countering fast.

Good deliveries in to theirbox, and some belief to shoot from out side the box, gives us a chance, but discipline and composure.

Ben Godfrey is playing like the next Captain, in my view, if he keeps, his form going.

But the next game is what counts.. Win on Saturday it’s a new perspective, and a draw is a good perspective. Gonna enjoy and savour, this win, tonight.

“Whats Our Name?”

Brent Stephens
167 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:13:56
George C. #4 "I just cannot believe the team he has picked, just handed the match to Leeds in my opinion. Carlo lost the plot !"


John Keating
168 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:14:28
Great win!

Made up DCL got on the scoresheet but could have had, and maybe should have had a hat trick.

Dead funny reading the negative posts pre-match.

Why is it that, in most games, VAR call games back for decisions long after incidents and yet tonight totally ignored a nailed-on penalty for us?

Well done the whole team including management. No doubt the anti-brigade will still find faults

Andy Crooks
169 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:15:27
Just when you think this a great night, it becomes a night to remember.

Back to the match; we have a good side. Great sides hate losing, really hate losing and they show it week after week. That is what we miss, week by week relentless determination. Giving all after being publicly rebuked by the coach is quite enlightening.

Oliver Molloy
170 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:15:34
But we are not speaking about the blunder he may have made are we, and I don't think it was by the way.
Saves 2 + 3 were top class and all you could expect any keeper to do given the bodies in there...
Colin Glassar
171 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:16:08
Derek, the vaccine can’t be worse than the actual virus, can it? I’m still feeling the after effects, two weeks later!

I actually think we can get a result at OT if we are fired up.

Tony Abrahams
172 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:16:21
Five out of five away wins, it’s a crazy season alright, and like a bad gambler, I can’t even enjoy tonight’s result after looking at that league table, and realising we’ve lost six fucking points losing to Newcastle!

Seriously though, I said the other day that sometimes we look miles away and at other times we don’t look that far away, and different parts of tonight’s game, showed both sides of this argument imo.

Thomas Richards
173 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:16:59
Team P W D L GD Pts

Man City
21 14 5 2 26 47
Man Utd
22 13 5 4 19 44
22 13 3 6 14 42
22 11 7 4 18 40
West Ham
22 11 5 6 6 38

20 11 3 6 6 36
20 9 6 5 13 33
21 9 6 6 12 33

Not too shabby for an over the hill dinosaur

Jamie Crowley
175 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:17:28
Andy Crooks -

Spot on at 170. It's really a matter of the effort.

And yes, TW is far, far less expensive than a Military Academy. I'll have a word [again] with the boys.

Martin Mason
176 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:17:50
A very brave decision to drop James. Is he a luxury we just can't afford? Perhaps an impact player late on?
Brent Stephens
177 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:18:53
If Calvert-Lewin takes his few chances, we're home and dry. King still goalless - move him on.
Danny O’Neill
178 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:19:25
Well, where do I start with that? Firstly, respect for both teams for giving me one of the most entertaining games of football I've watched this season. Genuine toe-to-toe stuff. I watch football to see my team win, but if that doesn't happen, I at least want to be entertained and enjoy the beautiful game. Tonight I got both.

Well done, Everton. If there was a way to bounce back from Saturday, that was it. And I always look beyond the result. On Saturday, the performance was dire. Tonight, we got a performance. If you perform, the result is more likely to follow.

To the players. Firstly, I have to call out the keeper. Olsen was outstanding with his triple save followed by another one after that. The defence are much more assured with him behind them as well.

The two center-backs were immense; both of them, but let's call out Ben Godfrey. Take a bow son; absolutely outstanding.

Big shout out to Doucouré. Gave us energy and always looking to go forward. Backed up by a very good performance from Gomes who was nice and tidy, and when needed took the sting out of the game to try and control play. Very composed.

The much-maligned Sigurdsson also put in a great shift in my opinion. And Digne. Some have criticised of late but come on, he is there for the delivery he provides that led to the first goal for example. Similarly, Sigurdsson's delivery for the second goal with Godfrey's flick-on. To get the best out of Calvert-Lewin, we need the flanks and Digne is an important part of that.

My only criticisms (and this is being massively harsh). Mason for the goal and giving a stupid but dangerous free-kick near the end for shirt pulling. And Calvert-Lewin should make that 3 -1 at the end. The difference between him being top drawer or just a good Premier League striker?

Great win. Good performance. I'm sure there will be massive debate on here, but in previous years we capitulate on conceding so soon in the second half. Maybe we give the managers and players some credit for their mentality and resilience?

Paul Hewitt
179 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:19:29
Leeds are awful. Any team with a half-decent striker would have battered them. I don't understand this Leeds love-in?
Fran Mitchell
180 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:19:57
Martin: or 'rest' James. He ran his socks off at Newcastle, and got kicked all about the park in the process. I think a game against caffeine infused Leeds wasn't ideal. He'll be in the team at Man Utd for sure.

His 4 goals, and countless assists/pre-assists make him a 'luxury' we most can afford.

Paul Birmingham
181 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:21:01
Focus and shape and to not give daft free kicks on Saturday,

Take no prisoners on Saturday, battle and get into Man Utd. They don't like any team getting into them or closing the space.


Alex Winstanley
182 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:21:42
Well, that's put me in my place! I was one of those questioning Carlo's team selection prior to kick off. I've never been more delighted to be proved wrong!

What a great night. More of the same at Old Trafford please!!

Jamie Crowley
183 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:22:01
Martin -

James needs rest. He's not the kind of player you chalk in every game.

This was always going to be a high octane game. Not for James. He's the "unlock the opposition" type of [gold] player.

I'd be stunned if he's not in the Man U game.

James has more talent in his pinky finger than most of our players. You just need to identify where he can be most effective. Tonight against Leeds wasn't for him in my opinion. Smart move by Carlo.

Besides, on that ice rink of a pitch, he'd've blown a hammy.

Carl Manning
184 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:22:24
Reading all the pre game comments from the usual know it alls, those who know best and question the manager! Picking his favs, clueless, not mobile enough, etc etc. laughable! Thought you would have learned after the Wolves game.
Jay Woods
185 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:23:01
James looks like a luxury for deployment against teams less workmanlike / fit than Leeds. The other thing is, he doesn't seem to have 90 minutes in him.

Also, Olsen gives you so much more confidence at the back (speaking as a fan!) than Pick-it-out-ford has ever since the gift-wrapped howler at Anfield, an act his career has never recovered from.

Graham Mockford
186 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:23:11
We are three or four quality players off a top 4 squad and they all need to be midfield or attacking players.
Jamie Crowley
187 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:23:56
Is it wrong to half-wish Bruno Fernandes gets hurt?

He's a snarky little fuck. I hope he is completely shut down this weekend. If he's tackled hard or pulls up with injury, I won't shed a tear.

Fran Mitchell
188 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:26:39
Paul, you're joking right?

Leeds defense leaves space open. But awful? The energy, enthusiasm, pace, and work ethic is immense. And they have some quality mixed in there - Phillips and Rafinha would be great additions to our team.

But they are more than the sum of their parts. And fair play to them. And they are relentless.

They are hard work.

There is a reason they are mid table, but not a single club has 'enjoyed' playing them.

Oliver Molloy
189 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:28:08
Leeds remind me of Ian Holloway's Blackpool from 2010 was it!! Very entertaining football, but never learning from their mistakes, and that's down to their manager.
They can always win, and can always lose!
Andy Crooks
190 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:28:27
Jamie, for fuck's sake, "Is it wrong to half-wish Bruno Fernades gets hurt?"

Shame on you, Jamie, half-wishing achieves nothing.

Jamie Crowley
191 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:29:42
Leeds are an absolute joy to watch. You're nuts, Paul.

Sue me.

Rob Dolby
192 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:30:20
Good game to watch. Surely Olsen has done enough to keep the shirt.

I thought Iwobi was dreadful all game, I just don't see what he brings to the team. Rodriguez will slot in for Iwobi against United.

Calvert-Lewin got his goal but, other than that, did very little.

Some good performances from Mina, Digne, Sigurdsson and Gomes but my MotM was a close call between Godfrey and Doucouré, I just give it to Doucouré as he showed a bit more intelligence with his passing than he has done previously.

Does Keane get back in for Saturday? Godfrey has to be first name on the teamsheet for me. If Coleman doesn't play, I would also make him Captain.

Brent Stephens
193 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:30:52
Andy, you aint half smart!
Jamie Crowley
194 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:31:17
Oliver @ 191 -

Yes. Absolutely spot on. Leeds = Blackpool on steroids and cocaine.

Andy @ 192 - HA!

Fran Mitchell
195 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:31:25
Jamie. Fernandes is a proper little shit. If he had a website it'd be called shithousery.com.

He is that player who everyone hates...except the people that matter, those of his club.

I wish we had a Bruno Fernandes.

Shit stirrer. Cheating fucker. Match winner.

Colin Glassar
196 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:32:21
Negative nellies, a word of advice; keep your powder dry until after the game. Hindsight is a great gift.
Danny O’Neill
197 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:32:46
Leeds are awful, Paul?

What is your opinion of West Brom and Sheffield United?

If Leeds are awful, I can't think of adjectives, but please tell.

Stephen Brown
198 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:33:38
Paul, I can't cope with the Leeds love in either! Even Leon Osman was joining in!

Loved that gritty performance especially Godfrey, Doucoure and Mina. All were superb! Holgate also has a bit of devil in him which I love! Bench was stronger today too!

On a negative, if we'd taken even 2 or 3 points from Newcastle (h and a), Leeds home or West Ham home, we'd be right up there!

It'll be interesting to see the line up v Man Utd? Well played boys 👏

Colin Glassar
199 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:34:49
Rob Dolby, I’ve been saying that since the day Arsenal dumped him on us. He’s an absolute waste of space. I’m glad I’m not alone.
Roger Helm
200 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:36:43
Just reread the first 30 or so posts - almost every one slating the team selection, and sure we would lose. The posters must be feeling a bit apologetic towards Carlo (I’m sure he reads the posts to learn how to do his job).

What is it with the relentless negativity on this site? Why wouldn’t we have a good chance against a moderate Leeds side? We have the better players; is there a Leeds player you would say we must buy if possible?

Let’s try to lighten up! We have a good team and a good manager! We will be top four if we win our games in hand.

Mike Gaynes
201 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:36:44
Mick #161, watch the replay. It was not straight to Doucoure, it was a yard off target to his right and made him stretch -- not a good thing when you're going straight towards your own goal with an opponent right on your ass. And it was the wrong pass to begin with -- Duke had no room to maneuver and no support.

With a simple clearance, those saves aren't necessary.

Oliver Molloy
202 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:38:28
Well Jamie,

I wonder what that would be like – stereo odds and cocaine...

Only live once and all that... no, I don't think that would agree with me!!

Danny O’Neill
203 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:40:33
That's why I have mainly started avoiding the live forum and the initial posts Roger.

People get hysterical because they obviously know better than the manger.

We all have opinions, but there's a difference between how your selection performed on FIFA 2021 than in reality.

Christy Ring
204 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:40:39
Great night all around. Godfrey got MotM and rightly so, and has to stay at centreback. Gomes really played well and Doucouré. Sigurdsson had a good first half, but should have been subbed a lot earlier, in my opinion.

Calvert-Lewin missed a couple of chances, but when he's scoring it makes a huge difference to his confidence. Olsen cannot be dropped even if Pickford is fit for the weekend. I wonder will Allan be back?

Stuart Sharp
205 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:40:39
Would rather people offered an opinion before the game and were wrong than smugly post after a win. Okay, some of the negativity is OTT, but that's because the last match was so awful.

I agree about Godfrey. His pace and strength are amazing. Was good to get a chance to see him more central.

John Raftery
206 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:42:04
Another good away win. Like most teams, we are finding easier to win away than at home. With the notable exception of Manchester City, most teams are finding it difficult to put a long winning run together.

It is no coincidence that City have the deepest squad which is better equipped to play every three or four days. The rest are up and down from game to game.

It was interesting to see no issues tonight regarding the level of fitness among our players. Leeds were relentless but we matched them.

Dale Self
207 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:42:40
If no-one else is going to say it, I will.

Everton in excelsis!

Okay, I don't know Latin but we were on pope puns earlier.

Terry White
208 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:42:48
I'm with you, Mike (#204), a dreadful pass out from Olsen. As well he redeemed himself.
Rob Halligan
209 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:43:18
Sorry lads, Michael didn't ban me or suspend me but he did kick my Arse for mentioning the unmentionables too much, so I'll just say "WELL DONE, BRIGHTON!!"

As for our game, I'm totally drained. Great first half, I thought we got right in their faces and deserved the two goals. To concede so early in the second half meant for a nervy 43 minutes, but yet again the defence were superb. Ben Godfrey was immense, as was Doucoure, but for me Gomes was our MOTM.

Special mention for Robin Olsen. How the hell did he keep that shot out, not only the shot but to get up and keep two further efforts out. Great goalkeeping, and deserves to keep his place.

Ian Edwards
210 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:43:23
Vast improvement tonight. Every one put a shift in and Ancelotti got his tactics and substitutions right. Onward to Old Trafford.
Danny Baily
211 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:44:23
I hope Olsen stays in after tonight's performance!
Brent Stephens
212 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:46:26
Fair post, Ian #214. Great result.
Chris Williams
213 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:47:03
Every game tonight an away win.

Something happening here folks!

Danny O’Neill
214 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:47:56
So in the spirit of debate, those who criticise, did the manager get it right tonight by going toe-to-toe with the much admired Leeds and tactically outdoing them in conjunction with taking 3 points from them? Credit to the manager and the team?
Derek Knox
215 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:47:58
Brent @ 202, Yes I did feel little prick today, especially when I missed the majority of the Match, it affects different people in different ways apparently, but I got a badge and a sweetie (for not crying) as scant compensation. Should I arrange another jab for Saturday? It seems to have had a good effect on our boys!
Jason Wilkinson
216 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:48:11
We can all agree there hasn't been a season quite like it for shock results. We played better tonight without really looking comfortable. Leeds got a goal at a crucial time. It possibly changed our game plan. I had West ham down for a draw. Liverpool for a home win. Not unreasonable predictions. In an ordinary season I wouldn't fancy going to Old Trafford after they had scored nine the previous game. They have proved that much like us they can throw in a poor performance. I'm not worried about any of the London based teams because they all play each other in the coming weeks. If we can get any result next Saturday then put a performance in against Fulham it could give us the confidence to go and twat Klopp and his Tom Daley wannabees.
Fran Mitchell
217 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:51:22
Look at the form table, apart from Man City, there isn't a team who are 'unbeatable'.

It's gonna be a bumpy ride to the end of the season, but it is all to play for.

3 points at Old Trafford? Why the heck not

Martin Mason
218 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:52:30
I believe that the difficulty in winning home games now is that the refs aren't intimidated by crowds such as Old Trafford and Mordor where they are forced into favouring the home side with all decisions. What is left now is that the advantage that the away side have as the counter attacking side with no crowd interference and that is patently decisive. Something has to be done about referees being influenced by hostile home crowds because they patently are. Without crowds the away side now usually wins.
Peter Mills
219 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:52:43
This was a very good performance. Not faultless, because the other team plays as well, but very good.

One of my favourites, DCL, struggled throughout. But his winning goal was superb, it would have been so easy for him
not to be there at that back post.

Dubious players, like Sigurdsson and Gomes, did very well. Doucoure was excellent, so was Digne. MOM was undoubtedly Godfrey. If Olsen doesn’t retain his place it will be most unfair, and also it will weaken our team.

There was a lot going on in a fascinating match, and overall I reckon our past-it manager got the better of his Leeds counterpart.

Terry White
220 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:54:11
Rob (#194), Kean plays in Paris. We have a player names Kane if that is what you meant. Another case of people not being able to spell the names of our own players correctly. The RS have a player named Gomez. Our player is Gomes.

As for the thought of Coleman coming back in on Saturday. I shudder at the thought.

Mike Connolly
221 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:55:17
See the media have trained Osman up the way they like it ( Give Everton nothing) Osman up until today was a good and fair pundit. Judging by his performance today makes me think souness and carragher have had a quite word with him. After a good first half, the second half was about 2 minutes old and Osman was gushing how well Leeds have started. I don't want Osman be biased but he went the other extreme against us
Brent Stephens
222 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:57:10
Terry, edit quick if you can!!!!
Kevin Molloy
223 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:57:29
I think Liverpool if they don't make top 4 would rather we had it than anyone else, at least that seems to be the vibe on rawk
'Btw, did anyone else want to throttle the laughing Steve MacMoneyman with his own microphone cord?...buzzing his bitter tits off throughout the entire game...one bluenosed Judas shitebag that'
Glenn Vermeulen
224 Posted 03/02/2021 at 22:58:23
Love the early comments on team selection...probably a good thing most of us on here don't select the team. But hey, keep making those comments George (4) and Danny (8) cos I get a great laugh out of Carlo proving the muppets wrong. In Carlo we must trust - this side is still a work in progress and considering how far we've come (blips aside), we're on the right track...Rome and all that.
Tom Bowers
225 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:02:58
With Godfrey at the back and Digne raiding down the left Everton are a much more dangerous team.

You knew Leeds would throw the sink at Everton particularly after the break and it's a pity Everton couldn't keep the 2-0 score a lot longer but they defended well and did the job.

After the Barcodes game tonite's performance was the difference between chalk and cheese. Go figure !

Been a lot of strange results lately and funnily enough all the away teams won today but there is little home advantage with no fans present.

Apart from Fulham there are three top teams to take care of this month so let's hope they can keep it together.

John Keating
226 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:06:13
I know Ancelotti likes to rest and rotate players but honestly how can he keep Godfrey out the team? What a buy he's been, the lad has everything
By the same token Mina and Keane are doing well
Really a great headache for Ancelotti
Something is well off with Richie just now but whatever it is he needs to snap out of it quickly or he’ll be benched
James back for United for sure
Olsen has to keep his place
Will Mabon
227 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:10:45
Terry - beware thy words, Corrector... :)
Rob Dolby
228 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:11:29
Terry 222, Not being pedantic but we don't have a Kane!!! Touche my friend!

I got picked up over my spelling of Shankley last night. In the age of txt speak I think you know who I mean.

Anyhow onwards to United next game up. I would man mark little Freddy mercury with our next captain in Godfrey.


David Pearl
229 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:11:45
I'm just here to read the first few reaction comments to the team selection. Never fails. Do you lot want them to fail? Siggy was not even in midfield, he played behind the striker and always would be with both Douc and Gomes on the team sheet.

Olsen was okay... not the saviour made out to be. The combo saves was down to his weak clearance in the first place. He was slow to get down for their goal. He parries shots that are straight at him. Are we calmer with him back there? Probably yes. Will Carlo bring back a fit Pickford over a loan signing? Probably yes.

Will we beat Man U on the weekend? Hmm they outplayed us twice this season... but in this crazy season, who knows.

Peter Askins
230 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:12:37
A good performance and a great win, but those little things we don't do well bug me. For instance, in the first twenty seconds, not marking up properly from throw-ins. This nearly let Leeds in from the kick-off, and this slackness continued for the whole match. Contrast how easily Leeds retained good possession from throw-ins, whereas we didn't. Another small point that can have big consequences - how do our opponents find it easy to win corners against us, yet we can't do the same ? There should be a huge emphasis on this right now, as we are clearly very dangerous from corners. These 1%'ers often prove the difference, so why don't we focus more on them ?
Brent Stephens
231 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:12:44
John, I can't stop jumping up and down about Godfrey. I'm absolutely ecstatic about this guy. What performances, game after game, position after position, opposition after opposition. And that break out of defence with the ball tonight. Captain Ben.

I think he's being rested at times as the games come thick and fast and we have a thin squad. And yes, Mina and Keane - what an improvement this season.

Will Mabon
232 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:13:44
That first goal tonight, a fantastic move that would have caused media gushing if scored by certain other teams - a perfect move.

Odd to see four Leeds defenders completely static, but doesn't detract.

Steve Shave
233 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:14:31
Mina and Godfrey were really excellent, both played with a fire in their bellies. Keane as we know has had a good seasons also. We are well stocked at CB, I never thought I would say this (certainly not last season anyway) but maybe Holgate should be sold to part fund a much needed top drawer right back?
Jerome Shields
234 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:15:56
Calvert Lewin was good to get the one touch goal. He is more often out of position and too deep to get another one. Lucky Soggy got there for the first. His third quarter play and shooting was diabolical. Richarlison continued with his second half of the season Watford best.

Great play from Mina, Doucoure and Godfrey. Digne, Gomes and Sigurdsson alot better. Holgate has not got back to his best of pre injury. I had more confidence with Olsen. Iowbi still recovering from his rest and King needs some training to get fit looking and up to speed. If he does Calvert Lewin and Richarlison could have problems.

By his attitude and committent Mina looks as if he can now finally understand what Big Dunc is saying.

Colin Glassar
235 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:16:49
Despite a very entertaining game we are still last on motd. Odd, isn’t it?
Ciarán McGlone
236 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:18:31
Why wouldn’t we have a good chance against a moderate Leeds side?


Because we were beaten by a shite Newcastle side a few days ago.

People are entitled to their analysis of the selected team before a match. We won, and the first thing some people do is rush to berate others for fairly justifiable comments.

Wise up and enjoy the win.

Paul Birmingham
237 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:19:42
For me, Godfrey is the reincarnation of Big Mike, in heart, and soul for EFC, but ability wise with due respect, is capable of being a very good footballer for EFC.

I’ve said many times on the TW forums, he’s Everton’s, next Captain, in my view, if he’s mentored, and based on his passion on the park, it’s not not far away.

But now for United. What if...

It’s achievable, if Everton, believe, it can be done, and Id keep Olsen, in goal on merit, for his saves and composure, and to improve his clearances from dead balls at Finch Farm.

Brian Wilkinson
238 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:20:15
Terry@221, I would read through your own post again, up there with Sandy Browns own goal.
Will Mabon
239 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:21:10

of course always room for improvement, but the biggest thing addressed tonight has been the biggest problem IMO; commitment and spirit. A proper team performance.

Quite simply, we almost always do well with it - and lose without. I can't think of a game we lost this season in which we could be said to be unlucky, the losses were all due to that strange flatness and lethargy, lack of coordination.

What a difference tonight. If that can be maintained and built upon, we will have no worries.

Brian Wilkinson
240 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:21:27
Brent@223, fair play mate, you did try.
Kase Chow
241 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:21:49
Super win!!! Well done Blues!

Big decision to leave out James but it worked. He’s not an automatic starter every match. Depends on the game and tactics

Good to see DCL back on the score sheet (albeit he didn’t have a great game)

Also nice to see Siggy score from open play. Pleasantly surprised we held out when under such pressure

Kieran Kinsella
242 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:23:20

I’m surprised they’re even showing the other games and not having a one hour memorium for Liverpool

Brian Wilkinson
243 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:23:40
I stand by what I have been saying for Months, have to give Olsen a run of games.
Paul Birmingham
244 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:25:08
Colin, alas, with the BBC, and their empathy for all other teams, bar EFC, it’s the usual.

The media, have it seems a fixation, with The RS,, United and the London teams.

Fekk, them all.

Will Mabon
245 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:25:49
Colin - sadly, not odd.
Brian Murray
246 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:28:30
While a lot of us want to see Olsen given a run Carlo sounds like he’s going back to Pickford at the weekend. All I can think of is Olsens kicking not great despite the calmness he gives the team. Let’s hope the bigger picture is a top notch goalie vim the summer although I think we could do a lot worse than Olsen. We really need to get away from some of these players from
Tonight even though they stood up they can’t be trusted but for now Carlo is being very smart with them I suppose.
Colin Glassar
247 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:30:18
Watched the (highlights) rs game and it was dull as dishwater. Still first on motd tho.
Peter Askins
248 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:30:47
Of course, you are right Will, commitment and spirit are key, and as you suggest, we are not currently good enough to win without either quality. These little things though that I mention, marking better from throw-ins, winning corner kicks, and so on, are surely easily coached. I believe that Liverpool even have a throw-in coach, which on one level sounds downright daft, but it's this Dave Brailsford "marginal gains" mantra. I think we had one corner tonight, and we scored from it. Imagine how dangerous we'd be if we "won" a dozen corners every match. It can be done, playing for corners, and right now it would be a huge weapon for us.
Brian Wilkinson
249 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:34:12
You have a good point there Peter, we seem to be decent from corners of late.
Will Mabon
250 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:37:00
Agree, Peter there is tidying and improvement to be done, but the basis is needed to build it on. Don't know if anyone noticed, Digne came close to a foul throw tonight, foot almost over the line - scrappy.

Strange that we got just the one corner, they're a big opportunity for us. Just the way it goes sometimes.

Will Mabon
251 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:39:24
Colin, and I bet the discussion was based more on how the RS lost rather than how Brighton won?
Brent Stephens
252 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:40:06
Just looked at the league table. So many sides with a negative goal difference. Is this more than usual? And if so, why?
Will Mabon
253 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:46:43
Don't know whether there are more, Brent, but there are plenty of bad ones, for half a season played.
Brent Stephens
254 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:49:15
Will, slightly disappointed (what, after tonight's great win?!!) that we have such a low positive goal difference.
Fran Mitchell
255 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:51:08
Will, actually they praised Brighton quite a lot.

Important thing is: We have 11 wins from 20, joint 3rd in the league for games won with 2 games in hand.

We may lose (6 defeats), but we have learnt to win games. How long did we draw when we should win? No matter what you say or think about Ancelotti, he has brought to the club a winning mentality, and that shows with the results this season.

It's gonna be a bumpy ride, but we really could get top-4 this season. Not because we're better than the other teams, but we are better at winning games than most.

Colin Glassar
256 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:59:54
Brent, when was the last time we had a 10+ GD? I can’t remember
Colin Glassar
257 Posted 03/02/2021 at 23:59:54
Brent, when was the last time we had a 10+ GD? I can’t remember
Derek Knox
258 Posted 03/02/2021 at 00:00:57
Brent @ 232, " I can't stop jumping up and down about Godfrey. I'm absolutely ecstatic about this guy ". How old are you Brent? Know what you meant though. :-)
Rob Dolby
259 Posted 03/02/2021 at 00:04:32
Brian 239 Made me chuckle that, poor old Sandy.
Brendan McLaughlin
260 Posted 03/02/2021 at 00:05:14
Naw Brent#255
You're on a wind up obviously?
Take a tip from Mike Gaynes & post something about Carlo's pulling, or lack of, power!
Si Cooper
261 Posted 03/02/2021 at 00:09:19
Not last on MOTD, Fulham v Leicester after us. Pretty fair distribution of time and we got reasonable praise in the analysis. Interesting that the expected goal score was in our favour.
I actually thought we got a good edit in the weekend game as well, though Newcastle deservedly got the plaudits in the analysis.
I don’t see an obvious bias against us on MOTD, just the usual over enthusiasm for the usual suspects. The commentators are a mixed bunch. When we had that break that gave DCL his one on one Guy Mowbray stated Siggy was ‘hanging back’; I’m pretty sure he was at his top speed!
There were two incidents from our game that didn’t get in the highlights that I really expected to see. Wasn’t there a really obvious handball at some stage and didn’t DCL take on a shot when Richie was wide open for a simpler conversion?
Dave Williams
262 Posted 03/02/2021 at 00:09:37
I was one of the early posters who criticised team selection and I was clearly wrong and thank goodness I was!
Great performance and how good to see Gomes coming back to form.
DCL missed a few but scored the winner and that’ll do me.
Saturday will be very interesting.
Daniel Thomas
263 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:10:26
Great win.

Been mentioned but when we are willing to fight and scrap with teams I don’t think there’s many that could handle us.

I can’t be bothered to go back and look for the comments but I seem to recall a few posts questioning Godfrey’s ability after the first couple of games at right back.

ToffeeWeb is nothing if not entertaining.

Steve Brown
264 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:13:47
Proper hard fought win. Not a great performance, but great determination. Young Godfrey was superb and I really appreciated Gomes for his effort. He has rightly had a lot of criticism for his performances, but the ball to Digne for the first goal was blinding.

Makes it infuriating that we lost home games to West Ham and Newcastle due to complacency and laziness!

Phil Lewis
265 Posted 03/02/2021 at 00:13:47
A battling victory. Godfrey goes from strength to strength. Olsen inspires confidence from the back. At least he does for me. I'm not sat on the edge of my seat for 90 minutes, anticipating a goalkeeping error. For God's sake Carlo, keep him there! Give the man the run of games his performances deserve. This rotation business in my opinion, far from keeping our goalkeepers on their toes, actually unsettles them.
A much better performance all round, with regard to commitment and effort. Keep it up boys!
Justin Doone
266 Posted 03/02/2021 at 00:16:51
Great win, good gritty performance. A really entertaining game. Godfreys pace and all round performance was superb. He's a must starter in any game.

I hate when players give away needless free kicks, charge too far out of position, go to ground or generally over commit.

Holgate played well but as a defender he needs to stay up and defend better. More like Godfrey, Iess like Mina. The drag back for the yellow card was stupid defending.

Olsens kicking and distribution was better and more consistent than Pickfords. Plus if it means we play more forward balls and less back to the keeper that's another bonus surely!

It makes a mockery out of possession stats but like the Leicester and Newcastle games, we gave away too many free kicks and corners. We've got to stop tackling with arms. Some are soft but as soon as the ball isn't won, any touch results in a free kick.

Gomes ran all game. I would never have believed it. So why can't he do that every week. He was appalling second half against Leicester, not even trying.

On reflection leaving James out was a good call. He would have got over run and frustrated.

Ric better as a defender than a forward again, but did an excellent job for the team.

DCL needs to learn when not to close down a keeper and 2 defenders by himself. Good attitude but just sitting near a defender is sometimes more effective.

Siggy did his closing down the passing lanes to Philips very well. This is a definite tactic as he did try doing that to Teilimans and Shelvey but it didn't last. Philips maybe not as smart to find the space and dictate play.

Will Mabon
267 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:16:57
Fran, I should've watched before opening my gob. I'm just so used to how it goes. Just watched short highlights now, and guessed they might have to acknowledge Brighton.

Brent - that goal difference may be trouble later on. Despite tonight, we haven't been scoring enough since the early weeks.

Paul Birmingham
268 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:19:42
Great night, for Evertonians, across the Universe, revere, enjoy and now for the next game.
United won’t fancy Everton getting stuck in, and they’ll be practising their dives, already.

The test, this Saturday and some massive games, following on, within days, which with heart, soul and belief can be won, by EFC.

The time for sticking together, onwards, Evertonians!,

Mike Corcoran
269 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:20:31
Just seen this somewhere “ There are some that say...that the 29% of the Earth's surface not covered by water is instead covered by Ben Godfrey...”
Derek Knox
270 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:22:13
Now here's a question I meant to ask in all seriousness before, how was our new signing allowed to play tonight as sub? When it seemed like it was the last hours of the Window when he signed.
Sean McCarthy
271 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:27:30
I know they say the game is all about opinions but the pre match stuff on here is laughable. Thankfully it would appear that Carlo isn’t a ToffeeWeb subscriber!!

The doom and gloom merchants are here Before every game with their usual pearls of wisdom over team selection. Well after tonight, hopefully (tho I doubt it) they’ll give it a rest when Saturdays team is announced.

Feel free to criticise after the game when appropriate but slagging players off before the game has even kicked off is now getting beyond ridiculous

Don Alexander
272 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:27:54
At last, a performance by players playing professionally. Who'd a-thought it?

Gerry Ring
273 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:29:30
Great three points. Godfrey made a big statement tonight, Centre Half is his best position and on this performance he is our best. Holgate is not the answer for the full back slot & got caught out a few times tonight. If DCL was as good on the ground as in the air, he’d be the best striker in Europe. Roll on Saturday & hopefully Pickford is on the bench.
Steuart Hayes
274 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:30:14
David Pearl you say siggy wasn't in midfield but behind the striker surely that's in midfield and Olsen wasn't good hmm made some good saves and he had players in front of him for the shot far better than pickford think you need to think again
Brendan McLaughlin
275 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:31:27
Apparently if your're signed before 11AM you can play in the next days game. The doubt in terms of Joshua was, suprise, surprise, providing a negative COVID result.
Kieran Kinsella
276 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:44:08
Sean 272

In defence of pre game posters I think I was the second to post on Lyndons preview yesterday and I’d said we would win 2-0... which proves. nothing really but thought I’d just try and take credit for the win lol

Mike Gaynes
277 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:46:59
I'd bet half my mortgage that Carlo will play the 4-CB backline at OT... we need to play our best 11 and that includes all 4 of Keane, Mina, Godfrey and (despite a stinker today) Holgate. I know Digne hates left mid, but that's where he can do us the most good right now. That assist to Siggy was simply elegant.

I would also bet that the universal opinion here will not be shared by Carlo -- if healthy, Pickford gets the call. Olsen played well, but Carlo sees Picks as the starter. At least that's my best guess.

Kieran Kinsella
278 Posted 04/02/2021 at 00:50:20

When you say you bet half your mortgage, it sounds like you’re trying to encumber us with your debt if your wrong. That’s a total Bill Kenwright move.

Gavin Johnson
279 Posted 04/02/2021 at 01:18:59
A well earned win and the perfect riposte for the horror show against the barcodes. The tactics were spot on in the 1st half and I think that 1st half was one of our better performances of the season. Leeds swapped the runners in the 2nd half and it took us a while to adapt, but it'll give us confidence going into the United game.

Olsen was an obvious standout, as was Ben Godfrey. What a signing?! Gabriel, who?! Watching him tonight at CB reminded me of Des Walker when the Forrest fans used to sing "You'll never beat Des Walker". He has to play in that position more often now Digne's back. It's hard to decide who would make way out of Mina and Keane.

Farhad Zaman
280 Posted 04/02/2021 at 01:28:15
I knew we’d do well when I saw the team sheet, James isn’t a player for a team that there needs to be a lot of running to do and the line up was perfect. A big shout out to 2 players, Andre gomes was immense. He gets a lot of unfair flack on this. When he first came to Everton he was so good until Silva wore him out especially over the Xmas period. Then he came back strong again and has some amazing games alongside Gana. Last season he started the game against palace excellently then went off injured. Came back and broke a rib and was out till the wolves match where again he was excellent. Don’t forget we had lost gana to PSG and gbamin out injured. Which were his legs. Then that injury against Spurs. Since then he’s had the lockdown, then playing alongside siggurdson & Davies alotnkast season and all this after an injury like he had. This season as the 3RD midfielder he was excellent again, which he mostly is when we play him in a 3. He’s excellent taking it tight positions and recycles the ball well when he has more legs around him. Don’t forget the team that won 7 in a row hasn’t been seen since. And I think we all agree Ben Godfrey should be made captain and for me is so far the best signing pound for pound Everton have made in many a year. Today we actually saw him in the position he played for Norwich, the LEFT hand side of the 2 centre backs, it’s why he seems more suited to left back than right back. For me that’s our overall best defence to going forward. Holgate I think long term has to be replaced at right back, someone like a Reece James would be perfect ( I know a dream but in that mould). With Allan gbamin 🤞 and even Delph as an Option, he again does his best work as the 3rd midfielder. All our midfielders barring dacoure who can play in a 2 as we’ll need legs around them. Going forward we need younger versions of the ilk of dacoure and a Ruben loftus cheek type. Reece James loftus cheek and Zaha would make us into a top 4 regular contenders. Oh ad Declan rice to that as the dm option lol. But with how much we have wasted, instead if we somehow get top 4 then we should go all out and maintain our upward curve. Come on you blues 💪🏻
Derek Thomas
281 Posted 04/02/2021 at 01:29:22
I slept in on this one and watched the replay. Ancelotti called them out on effort and they responded, especially Gomes, he looked a lot sharper, Siggi did ok and was mobile enough to be 1 man Vs a flat 4 in the box for his goal.

Everybody else performed ok, not great, but ok...I don't think DCL has a dink over the keeper in his repertoire. Iwobi seemed a bit 'withdrawn', not wanting to commit himself forward, 2 or 3 times in the 2nd half, the run into the far post was on and he hung back - acting under orders possibly.

Olsen just won the photo for MotM with his barrage of saves. If I was he and I got dropped after that, I would be doing a Bernie Wright after the manager.

All in all, a Bright(on), if a tad nervous, start to my morning.

Edit; Kevin Malloy @224; very well put - my cornflakes went everywhere

Mike Gaynes
282 Posted 04/02/2021 at 02:42:53
No worries, Kieran #279. The necessary funds have been ring-fenced.
Ernie Baywood
283 Posted 04/02/2021 at 02:43:01
Posters declare individual players to be crap on here every few days. Gylfi is crap, Tom is crap, DCL is crap...

These are good footballers, but not world beaters. If you ask them to do things they're not comfortable with then they will look poor.

I saw Sigurdsson criticised against Newcastle for not being a tackler. Well that's not something he has ever traded on is it?

Today was a great example of that all round. Gylfi got a job he was far more comfortable with. So did Doucoure (who escaped criticism against Newcastle while doing absolutely nothing).

Godfrey really shone in the centre, and his pace allowed us to play further up the pitch and as a result we saw DCL more involved in the game than we have in weeks.

They're not suddenly world beaters. And they weren't crap players last week. Just played to their strengths rather than weaknesses.

Phil Smith
284 Posted 04/02/2021 at 02:44:21
We got away with that one and I still think it was the wrong team selection, regardless of the result. I understand that the Don must have (or rather Big Dunc) ripped into them big time after the Newcastle game and gave (pretty much) the same team a chance to show some palle and fight, which they did (in the first half). Second half those same palle were to the wall with those constant Leeds attacks and we looked spent. The front 3 just aren’t firing. DCL has totally lost it, Richy is sulking and Iwobi isn’t quite on it. Siggy got his goal and gives what he can, but as an attacking force we‘re out of form and have no other options available as they’re all on loan. Didn’t see anything of King when he came on. If DCL and Richy don’t sort it out soon we can kiss European football goodbye.
Nicholas Ryan
285 Posted 04/02/2021 at 02:49:53
1. If Olsen is fit and Pickford plays the next match, I will eat my season-ticket

2. Ben Godfrey will be England captain within 2 years.

3. Andre Gomes is the real thing, after all.

4. The job of a striker is to put the ball in the net. A good PL striker gets a goal every 2 games. DCL has 12 in 19 appearances. As the Americans say: 'You do the Math'.

Kieran Kinsella
286 Posted 04/02/2021 at 02:58:00
Nicholas 286

I’m no fan of Gomez, but while I won’t go as far as your statement on him, he did well tonight, maybe his best game for Everton.

Bobby Thomas
287 Posted 04/02/2021 at 03:00:19
Zarhad #281

I was the same, I thought the team was spot on. I was pleased James wasn't playing and I knew we'd win. Its heresy to criticise James, but I thought he was actually one of the problems against Newcastle.

When he plays central or as the 10, DCL gets no service and we lack threat. The possession is samey - all in front of the back 4 - and there's no variation as everything goes through James.The players almost defer to him. We end up compromising the shape and balance of the whole side - offensively and defensively - to accommodate him having a nice time scheming away whilst the rest of the side fails to function. When he plays wide, its an open invitation to target that flank as the full back is exposed and isolated.And one nice curler over 2 matches does not compensate.

Sometimes (perhaps more often than not?) we are just better off without him in there. We pick up more points. The balance is much better and the rest of the side can breathe. We're beginning to see the reason managers keep getting rid of him. He's incredibly difficult to fit him into a into a side without compromising it. I don't think he'll be here beyond his deal and may become increasingly peripheral as time goes by. I hope so. It will mean we're progressing.

Mark Wilson
288 Posted 04/02/2021 at 03:27:12
That performance from Godfrey was simply superb. His energy, focus, directness, and sheer strength on the ball are qualities that make a centre back the first name on your team sheet. This guy is the leader we’ve lacked on the pitch for a long time. Can see him and Keane in England shirts playing together very soon,

This was a crucial win in the context of a season that looked like it was about to go backwards after a disappointing draw v Leicester and a shambles v Newcastle. Get something from Old Trafford on Saturday and suddenly things look back on for a top six or even better finish. Incredible, actual progress, real progress, is within touching distance !

Mike Gaynes
289 Posted 04/02/2021 at 03:30:31
Bobby #288, yeah, James was one of the problems against Newcastle (but they also kicked him to pieces). He was also the single biggest reason we got the draws with Leicester and the RS. The Leicester game was a masterclass. Yes, some games suit his unique style better than others.

I'll predict the exact opposite of you. As his teammates get more comfortable taking advantage of James' genius -- and he gets more accustomed to them amid our still-transitioning style under Carlo -- he will become even more important to our success.

The key to the CL for us is building a more sophisticated attack in which James will be increasingly prominent, not peripheral.

Bobby Thomas
290 Posted 04/02/2021 at 03:43:17
I guess we''ll find out, Mike. A genius? Good grief. He's talented, but I'm not about to join the wankfest.

I think you're wrong. I'd say the route to the Champions League is to build a young, athletic side that plays with verve and tempo. Not one centred around a static schemer that can't run - and by modern standards he absolutely cannot - and who's almost certainly had his best days, dictates the system and compromises the side whatever position he plays.

I'd have a young, modern, mobile playmaker such as Maddison or Grealish over him any day of the week.

Steve Brown
291 Posted 04/02/2021 at 04:04:05
Maybe not a genius, probably just a magician.
Darren Hind
292 Posted 04/02/2021 at 04:58:47
I was very surprised, even shocked, to see Carlo call out his players so publicly last week. It simply isn't his style, but it definitely had the desired effect. We attacked like footballers in the first half and defended like men when Leeds forced them back in search of the equalizer.

For me, the buck stops with the manager when we lose or play ugly and the credit goes his way when we play football and win. Huge pat on the back for Mr Ancelotti.

Couple of observations: I feel our defenders are far more composed with Olsen behind them and I don't just mean when we are under the cosh, Any defender posting on here will tell you how good it is to have a good talker between the posts. I noticed Olsen never shuts up. I have a strong suspicion (I don't know) that the instructions he is barking making a little more sense than the stuff they regularly hear coming out of Jordan's mouth – just a suspicion.

James sprinkles the stardust, but we are undoubtedly a physically stronger team when he is sitting down. I'm a football lover so it pains me to say it, but I think we are seeing why he struggled to get many games in just prior to coming here. I think he will be spending a lot more time on the bench waiting to be brought on to change games which are going away from us.

Keane (even for us doubters) has thus far been our player of the season. He really has been immense, but spent much of that first half playing 5 yards higher than we have been doing. That allowed us to get more bodies into the Leeds half than we did when we played them at the Old Lady... I don't think they were ready for that.

Godfrey: I never feel you are 100% qualified to judge a player, especially a defender, until you have seen him live, in the flesh, with the full panoramic view. I haven't seen him except on the box, but my ears pricked up when Peter Mills took time out at an earlier game to post on here that he saw Des Walker-like qualities in him. I can't wait to get back to the game and Godfrey will be getting my full attention when I do.

Most players are either quick off the mark over a short burst. Quick once they get into their stride, or just plain powerful in their running style. From my seat (nod to Ken Buckley), this lad looks as if he has all three qualities.

Jamal Paktongko
293 Posted 04/02/2021 at 05:09:48
I think Sigurdsson has earned his seat in the Halls of Valhalla.
Alan J Thompson
294 Posted 04/02/2021 at 05:17:57
I doubt I'd have figured out the team Mr Ancelotti finally settled on nor the strange sort of tactics as we seemed to score then sit back a quarter of an hour at a time.

Calvert-Lewin really should have put the game out of reach and it is missing chances one on one with the keeper and not putting in Richarlison that gives me a nagging doubt.

Holgate looked to be out of position and unsettled at right-back while Godfrey and Mina were very good and, for me, Gomes was our best.

Mike Gaynes
295 Posted 04/02/2021 at 05:21:52
Bobby #291, James is "static"??!! Can't run? Ridiculous. Trying watching the guy sometime. His movement is constant, continually making himself available for the ball, changing the angles of attack, switching sides. He's literally never still. Just because he doesn't do 60-yard sprints up the wing doesn't mean he's immobile.

I didn't say he was "a genius" -- I referred to his genius. He has touches nobody else does.

And oh yes, the frequently repeated fairy tale to the contrary, his defensive effort isn't bad either. Did you know he has as many tackles as Mina this season, and more than Keane, Davies or Sigurdsson?

As for preferring Maddison or Grealish, gee, what a leap. Good luck with that.

Y'know, you're right. Who needs James? Sigurdsson and Gomes were just fine as our playmakers last year. If Zidane dumped him at Real Madrid, we should too.


Christine Foster
296 Posted 04/02/2021 at 05:51:33
Following on from a dreadful showing against Newcastle, I wrote that Gomes had lost his edge and it was time for him to go. Same with Sigurdsson, I just didn't see where he could fit in the team.

Roll on to the following week, Gomes has a great game, Sigurdsson scores and does well... So my question: What the fuck happened to make them step up (so well, I might add)?

And if it was purely motivation (or lack of), then why or where for the love of god has it been?? Fear perhaps? A few stepped up to the plate last night, a welcome sight!

Alan J Thompson
297 Posted 04/02/2021 at 06:05:46
Posted #295 after watching the recording/game for the first time and it seems, after reading the above comments, the majority feel the same way.

Derek Knox
298 Posted 04/02/2021 at 06:45:22
Brendan @ 276,

Thanks for that, I was under the impression and I assume most others were too, that it had to be 48 hours before a player was eligible to play for his new side.

Paul A Smith
299 Posted 04/02/2021 at 07:03:00
Credit to all the players for carrying out the manager's instructions properly and earning themselves a fantastic win that none of our previous 5 managers would have earned.

Sick to death of the empty Ancelotti critics now. Again, the proof was there (in a win) that we lack quality. If our leading scorer added quality to his game, he would be frightening.

Only a silly lapse in concentration allowed Leeds a bit of hope from our well-controlled performance last night.

We have a manager doing the right thing for a win now. Real game management. Not afraid to tell his star man we need physical attributes away from home, not afraid to let players know they need to do more.

Without this manager's nouse and calmness to relate what is required to these players, we'd be much worse off. Keeping them confident has taken some doing and 3 previous managers here have proved that is where Ancelotti is smart and just what we need.

In 3 years, he may have left us a squad the next Nagelsmaan can coach but stick with what he is doing because he is smarter than most.

Mark Murphy
300 Posted 04/02/2021 at 07:09:42

Good post overall but I'm puzzled by your Keane analysis? Keane didn't play the first half, came on as a sub late in the 2nd??

Mark Murphy
301 Posted 04/02/2021 at 07:13:25
I wobbled pre-match and questioned the line-up.

I won't do that again.

Bravo Carlo!

Danny Broderick
302 Posted 04/02/2021 at 07:23:37
I'm still trying to get my head around what happened last night! I'm very happy with the result – much needed after Saturday. I still can't believe Sigurdsson was picked as captain – okay, he scored a tap-in and took a corner but, apart from that, I thought he was his usual poor self, and went completely missing when we needed a captain in the second half.

I also thought the selection of Gomes was wrong, but I am happy to hold my hands up with him and give him credit for the performance he produced. That was possibly his best performance for Everton, he was involved in most things and driving us forward.

We defended really well again apart from their goal. We'll need that and more to get anything at Old Trafford. It was good to see Calvert-Lewin getting a goal, and Richarlison was more involved also. Let's hope the good Everton turn up on Saturday!

Andrew Ellams
303 Posted 04/02/2021 at 07:39:41
I think we learnt a few things about the squad last night.

Olsen is better than Pickford; if Godfrey played across the park, the BBC would have put a statue up in his honour by now; we need better end product from the right, and Calvert-Lewin is not a top striker from more than 10 feet out.

Oh, and if we played away from home every week, we'd win the league by Easter.

Derek Knox
304 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:05:13
Having watched the match highlights several times and reading all the after match comments, because I missed most of the televised game due to not feeling well, I have made an observation and hope others have picked up on this too. We looked to be coasting at half-time, and possibly capable of adding to the goal tally second half.

Leeds came out early for the second half, chomping at the bit almost and looking determined to right things that had gone against them first half, namely, two goals. On the other hand, we stroll back out, and as they have done in other games this season, appeared to ' have taken their feet off the gas. Next thing, Leeds are back in it, so a sense of response kicked in to maintain the lead.

I have noticed this in many games already this season, having scored early, a degree of complacency seems to creep in, and a lack of 'killer instinct' generally allows the opposition back into the game. They start giving them too much space and room to attack, rather than closing them down. Maybe it's just me, but I'm sure others have noticed this trait too.

Robert Tressell
305 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:15:56
Very good win. Lots of good individual performances and a good collective too. More of the same grit required against Man Utd and Spurs. Both games too soon for Allan presumably?
Paul Smith
306 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:19:19
Great display last night. I must admit I was concerned about the midfield last night and felt anxiety about The Don's selection for the first time, but I needn't of worried.

Godfrey was superb along with Duke. Iwobi from the off looked decent and when he plays well he offers so much, I'd say he was the best along with Sigurdsson of our forward players.

Holgate was our weak link silly fouls on the edge of the box could have cost us.

Ciarán McGlone
307 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:19:47
Sigurdsson was criticised for his tackling on Saturday (not sure it's tackling if you do it with your arms) because he played in a role which required him to... er... tackle. The criticism was clearly aimed at his selection for that role and the end result of it.

He had a reasonable game last night, didn't pull any trees up, but for me, he gets nowhere near that No 10 spot in our best eleven.

I expect Rodriguez to start there on Saturday.

Bobby Mallon
308 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:29:21
Same team on Saturday – don't change unless injuries. We need consistent play and a consistent team. No more resting players. Last night was what I wanted for all the games. Keep it up, Carlo.
Danny Broderick
309 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:37:55
Rodriguez is ten times the player Sigurdsson is. Rodriguez never hides. Rodriguez’ stats are better. Rodriguez has more to his game. Ok, Siggi scored a tap in and took a corner apart from that, he was his usual shite self. Went missing second half when we needed a captain. Ok, he ran about in third gear a lot, as he usually does. But make no mistake, Rodriguez is our first choice number ten, 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. If Siggi hadn’t scored last night, no one would be saying he had a good game...
Chris Williams
310 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:38:47
Part of Sigurdsson’s job last might seemed to be to press on Phillips, who ran the show at Goodison. So it was very much a tactical horses for courses pick.

It will be interesting to see the selection on Saturday, but different demands could mean different players/roles.

Duncan McDine
311 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:40:54
Don't have BT Sport so watched the Sky Soccer special. The fella watching our game said we should've had a penalty which would've made the remaining part of the game more comfortable. He couldn't understand why VAR hadn't even looked at it.

Sure enough, I tuned into MotD and there was no mention whatsoever of the incident. Conspiracy theory, or am I just paranoid?

Paul Smith
312 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:46:15
Duncan I will give you my login details for the BT Sport app (equivalent to SKYGO) I can’t cope with your Luddite ways.
Jason Wilkinson
313 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:47:24
A solid performance last night. I did think at 0-2 we might have added to our less than impressive goal difference. On reflection we beat a team that beat Leicester straight after we got outplayed by them. Three points is what mattered. We will need to frustrate United.

At the same time we should go there with the same attitude Sheffield Utd did. Once again Ancelotti will have to come up with a plan. If the squad need motivation for this game, we're doomed to mid-table obscurity.

Brian Murray
314 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:48:45
The teams Carlo picked in the last two homes games where probably spot on besides the goalie. It's these players who last night actually did a bit what the manager instructed. They just can't be trusted to do it, week-in & week-out; it is totally beyond them.

Carlo knows this but, until we can phase most of them out, he can't drop or really slaughter them Jose-style.

The system and or team will be different vs Man Utd. We have never had a boss who has the ability to think along them lines and yes sometimes it looks bad when he's let down.

Andrew Ellams
315 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:51:07
Duncan, it was a nailed-on penalty. The BT Sport commentators blamed the Everton players for not appealing loud enough for VAR not looking at it.
Chris Williams
316 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:55:32

They can be trusted to do it away from home it seems, but they can't be trusted to do it at home. I wonder why?

That's 4 straight away wins on the spin. First time we've done it in the Premier League.

Ernie Baywood
317 Posted 04/02/2021 at 08:59:36
Danny 310,

I would be saying he had a decent game... because he did. He was the 31-year-old version of Gylfi Sigurdsson – hard working, good control, decent ball use, always capable of creating or popping up with a goal, but limited in terms of pace and strength.

Sometimes, he gets the chance to show his abilities; other times, he highlights his deficiencies. In this game, I thought we saw more of his strengths.

I will guarantee you, however, that if he hadn't scored, there would be people on here claiming he was dreadful.

Considering plenty on here are adamant that he's crap, they have sky-high expectations of him.

Robert Tressell
318 Posted 04/02/2021 at 09:07:27
Chris @ 311. That's a good point. I've always thought Sigurdsson was hopeless at pressing (he seems to run around a lot but always arrives too late to trouble the player with the ball). But he is good at closing off passing lanes.

The latter is not that noticeable in the cut and thrust of games, but is a very effective form of defence (because the opponent might be able to keep the ball but can only go sideways or back).

Against Man Utd, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sigurdsson start ahead of James. We might even dispense with a Number 10 altogether and go with Doucouré, Davies and Gomes.

Barry Thompson
319 Posted 04/02/2021 at 09:10:55
Andrew, the ref was looking straight at it so why didn't he ask VAR to review the incident if he was unsure? Why didn't VAR review it as a possible penalty anyway?

I'll bet it would have been reviewed if it had been Man Utd at Old Trafford – or doesn't it work like that?

I must admit that the use of VAR has me genuinely baffled – did you see how long it took to review and subsequently strike off the Southampton goal on Tuesday night. Job done.

Dan Nulty
320 Posted 04/02/2021 at 09:15:21
I really feel like this season is a real study of us as a club in the Premier League era. So inconsistent, we start to look good and we start to dream... then fall to the same old rubbish attitude and deflation. Then we get our tails up again and follow that with a dreadful performance or three.

I do feel we have as good a base to work from than we have had in a long time and we do have some cracking players. We need to just get them all fit and in-form at the same time. Calvert-Lewin just seems to be lacking a bit of confidence, hopefully the goal will give him some.

I really don't like the look of Richarlison. His attitude stinks the place out a bit currently and he is woefully out of form. I can't see any club in the world paying what we would want for him – let alone as much as we paid for him even.

Hopefully he can find his mojo, he can be devastating on his day.

Duncan McDine
321 Posted 04/02/2021 at 09:20:19
Cheers Paul, you’re a gent. I just had to check my thesaurus for the meaning of Luddite! Apparently people “google” the meaning of words these days.

Andrew - this only adds to the conspiracy theory. They’re all against us!!

Christopher Timmins
322 Posted 04/02/2021 at 09:22:17
An expected win last night which pushes us closer to the top four spots. 16 games to go and it's all to play for. It's three games a week at the moment, therefore, rotation is a must and we have to accept that on occasions performances will dip from time to time.

When the European competitions restart later in the month, we might get a bit of a break to recharge the batteries.

We have every reason for optimism on Saturday and hopefully we will register a 5th consecutive away win.

Conor McCourt
323 Posted 04/02/2021 at 09:26:10
This was a massive result – and not only tactically excellent – Carlo played the correct team, despite the pre-game fanfare. I couldn't believe some of the comments before this match about the selection which totally fly in the face of reality.

Firstly, the Mina - Godfrey partnership was excellent and should be our regular backline going forward. Many have given Keane a lot of credit this season but, for me, his top performances have only come because we have played like Burnley and had two banks of four or a low block of seven making him look good but to the detriment of the team getting up the pitch. It's no coincidence that, when Allan plays and he has played further forward, he looks the player of last season. There is a big difference in being a great defender and defending great.

In the summer, I suggested Godfrey would prove our best signing but I never thought he would be this good so soon. And big Yerry was heroic last night, continually driving his team on and dealing with Bamford superbly. This just shows that Brands, for all the stick, has brought some good assets to the club and his two signings have outshone Carlo's much more heralded arrivals who were both absent for different reasons.

I'm absolutely thrilled for the manager who was lambasted by his own. The midfield pairing was not a strange or a stupid choice, it is his best at the club in my opinion and, although Tom Davies is equally excellent in midfield, against Leeds, we had to keep possession and Gomes's quality was perfect for a game like this. Some of the doubters must have missed his exquisite passes in the build-up to our last two goals or the two assists previous with his weaker foot.

To emphasise my point, Doucouré has to play because of his unique skill-set making him our most indispensable midfielder. This season, with Doucouré playing, our midfielders in the Premier League, points per game is as follows;

Tom Davies: 2.4
André Gomes: 2.33
Allan: 1.66
Sigurdsson: 1.5

Obviously these figures don't include Tom at right-back, Andre at left-wing or Sigurdsson in the front three. Had I included the Leicester match for André, when he played two-thirds of the game, it would be 2.42 while Allan would decrease further.

Now on to the unfair criticism of Sigurdsson. Carlo has stupidly played the Icelander in a midfield role where he is poor. However, this is not the player's fault as he doesn't have the tools for the job. Carlo has only played the guy four times in his Number 10 role this season. Sometimes, he is up front or wide but as a Number 10, we have won three of the four games.

Carlo's decision to play him was exactly because he wanted to help André and Doucouré from getting over-run and, had he played the Colombian, this may well have happened. Carlo was spot on and this totally negated the effect of Phillips.

Much nonsense has been spouted on these threads about the Italian but last night was truly tactically impressive and, yes, fortune favoured the brave but it was a performance I really enjoyed and full vindication of the manager's bravery.

Andrew Ellams
324 Posted 04/02/2021 at 09:27:06
Barry, there have been a lot of odd decisions made in recent years that supposedly improve the game but certainly don't and VAR is right at the top of the list.
Bobby Mallon
325 Posted 04/02/2021 at 09:31:54
Also lads, after watching the game again, I am not going to blame Holgate for the goal. The ball would not sit down properly for him. It didn't even touch the ground and Bamford played it against him. Just one of those things.
Danny Broderick
326 Posted 04/02/2021 at 09:33:07

When you describe Sigurdsson (the 31 year old version who should be in his prime!) as “... hard working, good control, decent ball use, always capable of creating or popping up with a goal...”, I’m afraid that’s just plain wrong. I posted Sigurdsson’s Premier League stats this season on Twitter last night, and it backs up my view of a player going through the motions. His stats are awful. Prior to last night:

18 appearances
15 shots
2 goals
2 assists
Average 25 passes per games (453/18)
35 tackles made (16 successful)

I’m sorry mate, these are not the stats of a player who is always capable of creating or popping up with a goal. They are even more damning when you think he takes a lot of our set pieces as well. A tap in last night will not change my view of a player averaging 25 passes per game despite playing in the heart of the team - most of them sideways and backwards no doubt. His stats last season were no better. It’s a disgrace that this guy gets to wear our armband with what he produces...

Danny O’Neill
327 Posted 04/02/2021 at 09:35:46
I try not to focus or comment pre-match on the line up and judge the performance during and after the game itself.

Pre-match doom mongering because a favourite player hasn't been picked or our own particular scapegoat has is like taking a punt at the bookies. If the "prophecy" comes off, smugness and "told you so" all around. If it turns out to be wrong, hysterical foot stamping, eat humble pie.

Just as the season wasn't over in October, or a dead rubber and going backwards after last weekend's dismal showing, the match isn't doomed to failure when the team is announced just because we don't agree with it.

I've been a scratched record since October. Bigger picture, outside of individual performances and game by game analysis, it's about staying in the game and within touch of our target of European football. We are.

Danny O’Neill
328 Posted 04/02/2021 at 09:40:22
Harsh Danny.

Sigurdsson played well last night for most of the game.

It may have been a tap-in, but he had to anticipate and make a timed run to make that an easy tap-in. What he done off the ball made that look simple.

And he didn't just take a corner, that was great delivery for Godfrey to flick on. How many times do we bemoan for not clearing the first defender?

I appreciate Sigurdsson has not been consistent and frustrated many of us, but last night he contributed well to a good team performance.

Bobby Mallon
329 Posted 04/02/2021 at 09:49:23
Danny Broderick @310,

Another on here that will never give Sigurdsson a good shout. I love Rodriguez but I'm afraid games like last night don't need Rodriguez type players. He would not have done the work that Sigurdsson does.

Sigi last night played very well and Carlo should not change the team against Man Utd. They are at home, they will not use their usual counter-attack game at home. Play the same team and we will win.

Do not, Carlo, change the keeper.

Danny Broderick
330 Posted 04/02/2021 at 10:03:36

Why do you say Sigurdsson had a good game last night? Is it because he scored? If he’d scored against Newcastle would you have said he had a good game then?

For what it’s worth, I remember him having a shot apart from his goal, not a great shot but at least he had one. But I don’t remember any through balls? Or him switching the play? Or any one twos? Or dribbles?

Is it because he ran around that he had a good game? I can’t remember any tackles that he won, or interceptions. I remember him giving a foul away when he won a header.

I get that he always runs around a lot, and he points a lot, but genuinely, why do you feel he had a good game?

For me, scoring a goal doesn’t mean you’ve had a good game.

Trevor Peers
331 Posted 04/02/2021 at 10:07:15
Great win at our bogey ground, hard fought to the very end. So glad we bought the extra striker we desperately needed. King will be invaluable in the run in, giving our only other two strikers a much needed rest when required.

Sigurdsson did what he can do best providing accurate passes and adding a precious goal. His critics are ludicrous in thier expectations, no other player from Iwobi, Richarlison, Gomes or James is subjected to such intense scrutiny, without justification, because generally he works hard and adds skill to the squad, that's all that matters.

Olsen was the hero last night with a string of magnificent saves, surely he must keep his place barring injury. Godfrey was obviously outstanding his energy and drive are invaluable.

Roman Sidey
332 Posted 04/02/2021 at 10:13:55
Apologies if any of this is repitition but there's too many comments to read them all.

Firstly, the people doing the pre-game meltdown because Davies wasn't starting hopefully saw how Leeds, after about 80 minutes of flat out running, were able to swarm him and cause him to do his infuriating signature move of a 360 looking for a pass when he had a good option before anyone was near him. Imagine 90 minutes of that.

Secondly, I'm happy for Calvert-Lewin to break his duck but more happy that it meant Everton won the match. However, my word he is such a wasteful striker. At the start of the season, I was willing to eat my words of the past few seasons as I've always thought he was a terrible footballer. I really do think his purple patch was the exception rather than the rule. Without hyperbole, he should have had three goals minimum in this match.

Derek Thomas
333 Posted 04/02/2021 at 10:14:46
I said that integrating a bit of flair into the Pink Floyd tribute band back 4 would be the hard bit, knowing when to put him in and leave him out, or bring on for the last 30. There's been time he had to play no matter what due to various circumstances.

The little bit I saw of King showed me at least the difference between what we used to have and a proper fit-for-purpose Premier League player. Iwobi for one will be looking over his shoulder...

Terence Leong
334 Posted 04/02/2021 at 10:31:40
It's good to wake up to the news of an Everton win. : )

I concur with many here, that Olsen should be ahead of Pickford, but I won't go as far as to eat any season ticket, judging by how Ancelotti makes his own decisions. : )

Godfrey looks like a steal given the fees that we have paid for Mina and Keane, who I think most would concur that the transfer fees paid for them, all things considered, are not a waste of money (given that Godfrey costs less).

It seems that there is that eternal debate between how much flair players our team can handle, eg, James, Sigurdsson. And then there seems to be that almost preference for British players rather than continental ones. Even the supposedly highly regarded (maybe not to many here) Richard Keys felt that we will do better with Troy Deeney than James Rodriguez.

I think if we want to compete at the highest levels, we will need to find ways to build teams where flair players can thrive. It's about balance ultimately. Ancelotti was able to fit in numerous flair players (the artists instead of artisans) in a team that many do not consider possible.

Consider his AC Milan team of Kaka, Seedorf, and Pirlo in a midfield of four (where Gattuso is probably the only enforcer / defensive midfielder).

He managed the BBC in Real (ok, some can argue that they were not that successful) and how he managed that star-studded midfield as well. It's about balance and hopefully, Ancelotti's Midas Touch can continue to help transform our club.

Andrew Ellams
335 Posted 04/02/2021 at 10:37:05
Roman, that's a good call on Calvert-Lewin.

Strikers like Kane, Mane, Vardy, Rashford, Ings or Son would have buried at least two of those chances and those are the levels Calvert-Lewin needs to aim for; I'm not sure he'll get there.

Thomas Richards
336 Posted 04/02/2021 at 10:42:03
Ancelotti's Midas Touch."

Like that one Terence.
His tactical set-up last night was spot on.

,"Ancelottis Midas Touch."

Like that one Terence.
His tactical set up last night was spot on. ,,michael.kenrick@gmail.com,1,10:40:20,,,ok,23848,02/04/2021 10:40:20,Tomrichards2@outlook.com,reader,,,no 1127930,40423,toffeeweb,04/02/2021,Bobby Thomas,j.astles1878@gmail.com,"Mike #296

I'm not creaming my pants about James "genius" so we must have been absolutely fine with Sigurdsson and Gomes as our playmakers last season? Zidane got rid of him at Madrid, so must we? Erm, no. I think you're leaping a little higher than me.

You appear to be intoxicated by the novelty of James, as many Blues are. As I said, its heresy to even raise the possibility he may not be all that for us.

Fact is, when he plays the 10 we don't create, there's little threat and DCL gets no service - especially at home. You saw a masterclass against Leicester. I saw a side that didn't function properly from an attacking perspective. Against Newcastle, under the influence of his genius sat as the 10 the side laboured with and without the ball.

I've seen it all before. He's a conundrum as old as the game. The talented playmaker who is also a bit of a liability. Putting it bluntly, he's a massive pain in the arse to fit into a side, and when he does the overall effectiveness of the side is often compromised and what he produces doesn't compensate.

I think he can play a handy role here as squad, being influential in some starts and cameos off the bench. I don't think that influence will stretch beyond this contract. He may get a 1-year extension. After that it'll be the MLS.

Steve Shave
337 Posted 04/02/2021 at 10:45:17
I'm sorry are we still criticising our 16-goal striker? You know the one, big, athletic, good-looking bastard who has improved immeasurably from the player he was last season.

Oh come on, you know who I'm talking about, the one attracting praise from numerous managers and pundits around the country, the one who holds the ball up beautifully and is fantastic in the air with rocket heels. That guy.

Seriously, get a grip some of you. He is still young, his finishing has improved a great deal, nearly all his goals have come from one touch. He is a rare commodity to have and he is ours, get behind him, we are lucky he is here.

Mike Oates
338 Posted 04/02/2021 at 10:48:55
Another good 3 pts away from home, with some terrific performances, notably Olsen, Godfrey, Doucouré as stand-out performers. But I'm not getting the vibe that we are Top 6 contenders yet, we can't compete or dominate games for the majority of minutes. We end up retreating to our own box and defend with our lives. That's not the way the other Top 6 contenders play.

Villa, Leicester and even West Ham play some excellent football, as we did early on, but as we couldn't stop leaking goals, we've moved to a team which predominantly needs to defend and ride some luck.

We defend deep, because as Carlo said we don't defend well with space behind us due to Mina's and Keane's inability to turn quickly, but what it does is isolate Calvert-Lewin as also Richarlison ends up defending as well. We then only have Doucouré with the legs to support. It doesn't work and invariably the ball is lost and we are under the cosh again – Leicester, Newcastle and last night's 2nd half. A fit Allan won't solve that problem alone.

Ancelotti has got to somehow get Holgate back in last season's form and pair him with Godfrey and Mina or Keane somehow in a back 4 or even 3. Yet we have to retain Digne somewhere, as its his assists we need desperately – and he doesn't want to play as a wingback!!! It's time for Coleman to accept a bench seat I'm afraid.

Midfield, it's got to be Doucouré, Allan and hopefully a completely fit Gbamin (if not, then a new purchase in summer) with then Sigurdsson or Rodriquez as the playmaker, depending on who we are playing.

Upfront, I'm not surprised Richarlison is totally peed off, he has to track back so often, and very rarely gets a defining pass from Calvert-Lewin. To be a truly great forward, a "Kane", Calvert-Lewin needs to not only score, hold up play, but also crucially to create for others around him. Last night, after 25 mins when we attacked on the break, a pass to Richarlison 10 yards to his left and fully open was a golden opportunity he completely screwed up and you could see Richarlison and Ancelotti go beserk with Calvert-Lewin. But unfortunately he's doing this regularly. Let's see can KIng put pressure on him.

We are getting there with Ancelotti but I don't think our squad contains enough runners, enough pace... but it's definitely improving, If we get a Top 4 place Ancelotti deserves a knighthhood.

Steve Shave
339 Posted 04/02/2021 at 10:53:43

Calvert-Lewin's hold-up play is excellent generally; true, he has looked more isolated lately and didn't play well yesterday. Trust me, the issue is not Calvert-Lewin's hold-up play. I agree with you on the other hand, if we defend further up the pitch then we should see a change in our play for the better.

I wonder if Godfreys performance last night spells an end to this tactic and we rotate Keane and Yerry?

Dave Abrahams
340 Posted 04/02/2021 at 10:55:02
I don't understand the many posters having a go at the fans who pre-match voiced their opinions. They spoke, I imagine, what many of us thought.

How many thought that Gomes and Sigurdsson in the same team would play like they did? They've seldom, very seldom, done it previously. Likewise, Carlo got it right last night, the team and the tactics; he got them wrong twice last week. IMO, they were honest enough to state their opinion; easy and obviously better to give them after the game.

The match was very satisfying for most of us, although they made us bite our nails in the second half. Very good displays from some of the players but I thought four of them had poor outings, including one of my favourites, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, even though he got the winner, and yet we still pulled through.

As one poster said, why can't these under achievers give their all every week? And as another said, give Carlo credit when he gets it right, which he did last night, and give him stick when he gets it wrong, which he has done and will do again during the rest of the season, because he hasn't got a strong squad.

Leaving Ben Godfrey out last week was one mistake most of us wouldn't have a made. A young strong fit player who loves and thrives on playing football, he's not James or Gomes and maybe Allan, who have to be nurtured very carefully.

On to Man Utd, what have you got in store for us? The first name on your team sheet will cause plenty of comment; I hope you pick the right one... I'll give you a clue: many of us hope he's not English.

Paul A Smith
341 Posted 04/02/2021 at 11:02:26
Steve Shave, get a grip. Nobody is saying we don't like Calvert-Lewin but you talk like he's your wife and he can't get better. Or it shouldn't be noticed or spoken of if there is room for improvement.

Total nonsense to suggest his game can't be improved. He has done great, not one person takes that away from him, but, if you don't think there is room for improvement, you must be blind.

We haven't won anything for years so I don't get the heart for denying obvious ways we can improve. For 4 years, he's been getting picked and his feet are no better. Composure and balance is way off where he'd want it.

But, just in case you think I want him sold, I love the lad and hope he does get to where he'd like to be.

And we are far from lucky to have him. What happens in football is, if the like of us have a great player and Man Utd want him, they bid, we offer a new deal not as good as United's, he talks ambitions of Champions League blah blah, then goes.

Don't be so sensitive, Blues — we can always improve and enjoy a win too.

Steve Brown
342 Posted 04/02/2021 at 11:05:00
Interesting debate on James. My thoughts:

1) He is the best player to wear an Everton shirt since Kanchelskis.
2) 4 goals and 7 assists in 17 league games make him the most productive member of the Everton squad this season.
3) His movement on and off the ball is excellent.
4) If we aspire to be a Champions League side, then he will play most games from the start.

Frankly, comparing Maddison, Grealish (or Sigurdsson!) to James is like comparing a Gregg's pasty to a Gordon Ramsey Beef Wellington.

Andrew Ellams
343 Posted 04/02/2021 at 11:07:35
Steve, sorry but his finishing hasn't come on as much as his stats might suggest.

Most of his goals this season came from chances that were almost impossible to miss. Last night when it needed a bit of work, composure and thought he came up short three out of three. His weak shooting has been a criticism since he came into the team and was evident last night.

The evidence will be at the end of the season when you look back at his stats and see how many goals he scored after October vs how many he scored in the flying start to the season that he had.

Paul A Smith
344 Posted 04/02/2021 at 11:12:28
Steve Brown, I totally agree with number one in terms of ability, talent, brain. If we had seen more of a young Rooney, it'd be tougher to choose.

I do like Maddison though football-wise. He seems an arrogant self-centered snob off the pitch but skill-wise he is great.

I think their 3 Englishmen are their heartbeat and inspiration.

David Graves
345 Posted 04/02/2021 at 11:22:34
Paul, you're right Calvert-Lewin can improve – no one is denying that as he's still only 23. What has to be challenged though are the posters saying that his finishing is "woeful" or amazingly as one poster said he has "regressed"!

Surely no-one is naive enough to think that his early goalscoring run could have continued? Strikers go for periods when they don't score. That's the nature of the game, yet he has still outscored the likes of Vardy, Rashford, Jesus, Mane, and Stirling. In fact he's only bettered this season by Salah who has scored 5 penalties.

How about judging his goal return at the end of the season? If he finishes the season on 20+ goals, he will have had a great season and I'd suggest 25+ would represent an outstanding return.

Fran Mitchell
346 Posted 04/02/2021 at 11:34:48
David, some people I feel are just waiting for any opportunity to have a dig at Calvert-Lewin. Like they can't accept that they were wrong when writing him off when he was 20. Every chance he misses gets treated like proof that he is just a fluke.

It's as if they never watched any other striker. All strikers miss chances. Cavani, Ronaldo, Kane, Aguero and beyond, all of the best strikers miss more than they score, it's just the nature.

What makes a great striker is getting the chances, repeatedly, and not letting missing a chance weigh you down. 'Missed one, no worries, another will come.' That's the mentality of the best strikers.

Calvert-Lewin may have missed a good chance to put the game to bed, but did you see his run to get that chance? He looked like Usain Bolt. Fantastic movement, unbelievable pace. Not surprised that, after pelting it half the pitch at 40 miles a hour, he didn't quite manage to get his foot around it... must have been knackered.

And his goal was a great demonstration of his anticipation and quick movement plus aggression. And his goal won us the match. Again.

And yes, he can still improve, and he will. He's just 23, which is very young for a top striker. Rare is a striker who reaches his peak before 27/28.

With his physique, if he keeps developing, he could well be our No 9 for a decade to come.

I may well be worth a tipple on him becoming an Everton record goalscorer in post-war football.

Ernie Baywood
347 Posted 04/02/2021 at 11:40:51
Danny, the point I'm making is that the game isn't as simple as "Sigurdsson is crap" (which gets rolled out regardless of performance each game). It's certainly nowhere near as simple as pulling stats when we're debating a player being put in different roles.

For example, he didn't play the same role against Newcastle. And Everton didn't play anything like the same style. Personally, I thought he did well in the first half against Newcastle (or at least no worse than many) and then struggled to make an impact in the second half in what amounted to solely a defensive effort. He didn't dazzle... why do you expect him to from a deep midfield role?

I know what I see and he's capable of a goal. Moreso then most in blue. If you gave me the opportunity to place an Everton player 20 yards out with the ball – I'd pick Sigurdsson. Competition from James - but who else? He's very capable.

The tap in was anything –but. He came a long way – got beyond the Leeds midfield and went in between their center-backs. When it looked like Digne couldn't hook it back. He took a gamble... again, who else in blue does that? It's not a long list.

Going back to the point I started with – I'd have Gylfi out of the team with the right replacement. He's not what he was, and he's never done it consistently for us. But I'm not going to slate him regardless of how he performs or regardless of the role he's asked to play. If Allan is in the team then we've got enough midfield stability to support James. Without Allan, we need to find other answers for individual games.

Danny Broderick
348 Posted 04/02/2021 at 11:40:54
Steve Brown (344),

Nail on the head my friend. What I like about him is that he is brave on the ball, and he makes other players look better with the quality of passes he gives them. This is in addition to his goals and asist stats. Get legs in the team in and around him and he will make us tick...

David Graves
349 Posted 04/02/2021 at 11:43:34
Andrew. Bit harsh to suggest the goals he scores are impossible to miss. Do they not count?

How about he is working harder to get into those situations? There's been lots of analysis on how much his movement has improved within the box and the runs he is now making, so this is hardly happening by chance. If it was so easy to score in the Premier League, there'd be a lot more players who have scored as many as Calvert-Lewin this season.

Paul A Smith
350 Posted 04/02/2021 at 11:53:15
David I agree there mate but I would say that is in every single aspect of the majority of Evertonians talking about Everton.

Reality just goes out of the window and people become either too soppy or overhyped and there is no need at all.

The ones who say things like (in a spolit Veruca Salt voice) we cant even beat Leicester at home but Leeds go there and beat them blah blah.
Imagine how stupid they feel not even a week later.

Its almost gossip.

Like Godfrey had a good game last night and he has performed well, but what is with all these awful nicknames hes been getting?

Let the lad knuckle down and fuck the soppy stuff off. How can anyone still fall for that the way players leave clubs these days? Giving them pet names. Wow.

Oh shit the cardinal wants to leave, or when "The Duke" gets roasted by someone poor?

Colin Glassar
351 Posted 04/02/2021 at 11:55:48
Looking at today’s back pages did we actually have a game last night?
Thomas Richards
352 Posted 04/02/2021 at 12:10:29
I would be disappointed if I wasnt missing chances. It would mean I was not getting in the right areas"

Gary Lineker.

Only an Evertonian could whinge at a one in two goalscorer,"I would be disappointed if I wasnt missing chances. It would mean I was not getting in the right areas"

Gary Lineker.

Only an Evertonian could whinge at a one in two goalscorer,,,1,12:06:39,,,ok,23848,02/04/2021 12:06:39,Tomrichards2@outlook.com,reader,,,no 1127950,40423,toffeeweb,04/02/2021,Dave Abrahams,dave.abba@hotmail.com,"Paul A Smith (35) I think the nick name given to Ben is because there’s a school in Liverpool, Cardinal Godfrey, where a few on here went to, think but not sure that is the reason.

George Cumiskey
353 Posted 04/02/2021 at 12:11:47
I thought Siggy had a great first half but then faded he's just not a ninety minute man I'm afraid.
Godfrey was outstanding as was Olsen and Doucouré, and also give credit to Gomes who had his best game for ages and never stopped running and battling.
Paul A Smith
354 Posted 04/02/2021 at 12:15:17
Dave Abraham just lets hope it doesn't stick. I couldn't think of a worse name to call a player of ours. God for short is bad enough.

Reminds me of them tits reffering to Fowler.

Thomas Richards
355 Posted 04/02/2021 at 12:19:25

Been following the progress of two blues here.
Warms the cockles.

Chris Williams
356 Posted 04/02/2021 at 12:25:46

I went to Cardinal Allen. Can I call Allan the Cardinal?

It’s only a slightly different spelling!

Lester Yip
357 Posted 04/02/2021 at 12:31:07
Good to win. But I'd say we're lucky as Leeds hit the post once in the first half and the cross bar in the second half.

I can see the players putting a shift today and battling hard. The first half is great to watch.

I have no problem to defend the lead in the second half. But I am disappointed not to be able to transition better to counter-attack when we won the ball back. So many times we gave away the ball straight away to Leeds. I'd have thought the team would be drilled how to break such press.

I am a big fan of DCL. Happy that he grab a goal today and as always work hard for the team to defend. But as someone had pointed out, he still need to work on his shooting and composure in front of goal. If we keep on playing defensively, such counter-attack 1v1 opportunity need to be scored to seal the game. Wilson did that twice to us this season.

Michael Lynch
358 Posted 04/02/2021 at 12:31:40
I thought Leeds were superb at times, considering they were a Championship team last season. Some naive defending let us grab a two goal lead, but I thought our game plan was good in the first half. Second half was another matter - we really struggled to deal with them and were maybe a bit lucky to walk away with a win in the end.

Delighted with the three points, made up with Godfrey, and pleased that Gomes had an influential game.

Big decision for Carlo about who starts in goal from now on.

Paul A Smith
359 Posted 04/02/2021 at 12:50:42
Spoke to a Leeds fan at work yesterday and this morning. He just thought it was a very good game. No bias or who deserved what.

Leeds are admirable I think. Young, gutsy and have a winning mentality.

John McFarlane Snr
360 Posted 04/02/2021 at 13:12:29
Hi Dave [342] I agree that fans are entitled to air their views on any subject, but to those who consider the chance of victory [nil] before the ball has been kicked, and purely based on team selection, are way off the mark. I'm sure that you are familiar with my belief that 'anything is possible in a game of football' as proved in recent times, Liverpool vs Brighton, Manchester United vs Sheffield United and historically Manchester City vs Wigan Athletic [FA Cup final.] I go to the match with this in mind and though I may leave the ground disappointed, I had it programmed a long time ago as a possibility. I believe that it was a great team performance to hold out for the win, some players contributing more than others, with everyone playing their part.
Tony Abrahams
361 Posted 04/02/2021 at 13:14:49
I can understand people saying Lewin should have scored more, and also worked their keeper better at times, but the thing that pleased me most, was how hard he worked to get us the corner that produced his goal.

Mike Doyle
362 Posted 04/02/2021 at 13:19:44
Chris #359] Allen should indeed be The Cardinal.
Our former midfield great (and Manager) Colin Harvey attended the school so it seems more fitting.
Stan Schofield
363 Posted 04/02/2021 at 13:23:25
Oh Jesus wept. Some on here are like those spiders who hide below ground, then pounce on passing prey. I cannot believe some of the assessments of DCL that still question his abilities as soon as he starts missing a few chances.

DCL is a top striker. Instead of trying to deny it, in the style of the flat earth society, just get a grip on reality and embrace it. If he left us tomorrow, you’d soon learn about not appreciating what you’ve got until its gone.

Roger Helm
364 Posted 04/02/2021 at 13:35:41
I have always liked DCL, even when he was played on the left wing, or as a lone striker thirty yards from any team-mate. I reckon as the side improves under Carlo, he will reach his full potential. But he does need to improve his shooting.

Godfrey is a phenomenon. In a year or so he will be a fixture in the England side. We had better start winning silverware or he will get poached.

Paul A Smith
365 Posted 04/02/2021 at 13:38:41
If only Lukaku had this much support. It was ok to point out anything he done wrong even if it was his dad.
Tom Harvey
366 Posted 04/02/2021 at 13:39:49
Tony Abrahams @ 364

DCL is what he is.

He's a poacher and not a Harry Kane or Aguero type. If you put him one on one with a goalie he'll probably miss 7 out of 10, he just doesn't have the nerves for it.

However he as some cunning and good positional sense, he's athletic and has good stamina, this serves him well.

It's ironic really, but I believe Tosun would have put that chance away where DCL was through on the keeper last night, but firstly he would have needed DCL's pace and athleticism to actually get into the position where he could take the keeper on, this pace he didn't have.

David Graves
367 Posted 04/02/2021 at 13:49:22
Hi John,
I agree that to dismiss our chances without a ball being kicked is defeatist but debating the team selection is one of the best parts of the match experience isn’t it? It’s something I miss now that we can’t attend the match. However I appreciate that there's a difference between challenging the line-up and stating we're doomed from the off!
I disagreed with the selection of both Sigurdsson and Gomes last night because of their abject performances on Saturday. I thought it was a mistake to play both against the quick-moving Leeds midfield but then Carlo played Sigurdsson in a completely different position to Saturday and he had an excellent first half. I think that playing him further up the field closer to Calvert-Lewin also gave Gomes more responsibility which he reveled in. So whilst this was a success last night it does beg the question of how Carlo got it so wrong against Newcastle.?
Personally I would not call out any other players if they’re selected. However Sigurdsson and Gomes frustrate me the most because they have talent and ability but appear at times to lack the drive, commitment and passion that I believe we can expect.
Michael Lynch
368 Posted 04/02/2021 at 13:49:24
Tom that's a reasonable post. DCL did brilliantly to get in the one on one position but I never had faith that he'd put it away. He's rarely great in those situations (although was his Kiddie World Cup winner a one-on-one?) but he's only 23 and his improvement has been incredible over the past year, so there's every chance he'll master that soon.

I actually think he is quite Kane-like, in that he is an excellent footballer, not just a goal-scorer. His link-up play and ball control is as good as Kane's and he seems to have a similar footballing brain. Plus he never gives up. There's loads more to come from him and, just to cap it, he comes across as a great lad and looks really happy at Everton. He could become one of the Everton greats.

Chris Williams
369 Posted 04/02/2021 at 13:56:54

Mike indeed he did. We were there at the same time but he was about 3 years ahead of me. School captain he was, and a nice lad. Playing for Everton B even then.

Pity it was a rugby school!

David Graves
370 Posted 04/02/2021 at 13:57:36
Michael - I don't think you can compare DCL to Kane. I like DCL and think he will only improve but he's nowhere near Kane yet. As for Harry Kane not a being a goal scorer hes scored 155 goals in 229 premier league appearances!
Mark Murphy
371 Posted 04/02/2021 at 14:03:46
David he said not JUST a goal scorer. Ie, he does other stuff as well.
David Graves
372 Posted 04/02/2021 at 14:05:57
David Graves
373 Posted 04/02/2021 at 14:05:58
Apologies Michael - I miss read that!
Stan Schofield
374 Posted 04/02/2021 at 14:11:25
Paul@368: Lukaku did get a lot of support from many of us. Unfortunately, many others couldn’t wait to be rid of him! Weird.
Mark Murphy
375 Posted 04/02/2021 at 14:13:03
Surely IF Godfrey needs a nick name it should be Private??
Kieran Kinsella
376 Posted 04/02/2021 at 14:20:12
Mark 378

Haha it’s perfect in its irony

David Graves
377 Posted 04/02/2021 at 14:22:03
Ah yes Stan I remember him The falt-track bully who only ever scored miss-hits.
Tony Abrahams
378 Posted 04/02/2021 at 14:28:50
Stan and Paul A, I was one of the ones who gave Lukaku stick, but I don’t think that’s weird though, because I only gave him stick when I thought he hadn’t worked hard enough, just like Ancellotti, gave his players stick after the Newcastle game, for very similar reasons.

Lewin wasn’t great yesterday, but he does put in a tremendous amount of work for the team, and its why I praised him for winning that corner, because I think most other players would have given up the chase.

I actually thought Richarlison done a few good things last night, and he was getting stronger by the minute imo, so hopefully he’s gonna come back into a bit of form, because we really do need him to start performing.

Graham Mockford
379 Posted 04/02/2021 at 14:33:24
Our record with James playing is W6 D3 L5. Without him W5 L1

And since the first four games we’ve won 2 of 10 and won the last 5 straight when he hasn’t played.

Now he’s obviously a talented footballer with a lot to offer and it’s a pretty small sample but it does feel that we are much more robust defensively when he doesn’t play.

Also to claim he’s the best player since Kanchelskis on the back of 14 games is ridiculous

Thomas Roberts
380 Posted 04/02/2021 at 14:40:14
When we signed Ben Godfrey my sister asked me was he any good? I told her that on YouTube he looks like Beckenbauer. Maybe in 10 years time that statement may not look so optimistic after all. Top quality player and will only get better. If we had 11 with his attitude and commitment then top 4 would be achievable every season.
John McFarlane Snr
381 Posted 04/02/2021 at 14:47:35
Hi David [370] you have in my opinion, hit the nail on the head, debate is to be welcomed, and I understand that we all have favourite, and less favoured players, I won't tell you my age because it is frowned on in some quarters. I think it's considered that I use it as some sort of badge of honour, but I can illustrate my point. In the pre-internet days, if a favoured player mis-placed a pass, it was said that it was well intended, if one of the 'Villains' did the same it would be met with the cry of "Get him off" The introduction of the internet has enabled fans both at home and all around the world to do likewise, sensible debate is healthy, defeatism and verbal abuse of players completely unnecessary.
Christy Ring
382 Posted 04/02/2021 at 14:51:51
Andrew#345 'Most of his goals this season have come from chances that were almost impossible to miss'. Unbelievable, isn't it a sign of a good striker, to be in the right place at the right time. Can't believe the criticism of a striker who has scored 16 goals already this season, for his goal he made the corner, and the chance near the end, his speed was superb, and the Leeds keeper give him credit, he was out so fast to narrow the angle. Calvert-Lewin is only 23, and any of the top four would love to have him.
David Graves
383 Posted 04/02/2021 at 15:08:05
Hi John,
I believe that you're entitled to wear your years of experience of following Everton as a badge of honour! Some may claim that as a club we live in the past - I see it as a rich history to be proud of. I was brought up by my own Dad with tales of Hickson, Collins, Vernon and Labone and ofcourse the magical Kendall, Ball (his personal favourite) and Harvey to name just a few of our greats. Unfortunately, alzheimers disease has robbed him of those memories. You should continue to share your own memories and experience. They're something to be cherished.
Alan J Thompson
384 Posted 04/02/2021 at 15:13:19
The mention of Leeds coming out for the 2nd half raring to go while Everton strolled out like it didn't matter reminded me of a story told by Anna Meares, the Australian cyclist, about her Olympics victory over Victoria Pendleton.

Her team had studied Pendleton's victories and came up with what they thought was a winning strategy. However, Meares was also worried about her mental approach and someone recommended she speak to John Eales the former Wallaby rugby union captain. He spoke to her about playing the All Blacks and how doing the Haka had them ready to go both physically and mentally. He had reckoned that to stop it giving the All Blacks an advantage that the Oz team should wear their full tracksuit gear and when the Haka finished they should throw the ball around a bit before taking their time removing their tracksuits. He said it took all build up and superiority out of their sails and made them a lot easier to play against.

I don't suppose any TW contributors from Crosby have seen Mr A on a bike, the pedaling variety?

Jamie Crowley
385 Posted 04/02/2021 at 15:15:10
Graham -

I can't be bothered, so I'll ask you. Do you know against which teams those 5 losses were the James played in?

I mean, if he'e in games again Man U, 'them', Chelsea, etc. [read tougher teams] it is slightly understandable the team record will be worse-looking. If he's resting against bottom teams and Carlo is saving him for the big guns, surely the record will be less attractive looking?

Bill Griffiths
386 Posted 04/02/2021 at 15:18:00
According to the Red Echo VAR decided the ball hit him too far up the arm for it to be given as hand ball.
Totally crazy.
Danny O’Neill
387 Posted 04/02/2021 at 15:21:50
Which is what I said in response to Danny B earlier Christy. Sigurdsson didn't score a simple tap in. His reading of the game, anticipation of the situation in that phase of place subsequent run and final position enabled him to make it a simple tap in.

Likewise, Dominic's movement and anticipation enabled him to be on the end of a flick on from a great delivery. Great forward play but I was disappointed he didn't wrap it up at the end. But, still young and will learn to finish those.

On the debating the team, I didn't earlier mean to criticise the fact that people do. Or that they should not have a view on the selection. We all have opinions and on match day and throughout the week talk about different selections and formations, me as much as anyone. I just don't get the pre-match hysterical melt down when a team is announced not to someone's taste or liking. It's not changing.

I've mentioned this before, but a Tottenham supporting colleague who lives out East Anglia way tipped me off that we had bought a gem when we signed Godfrey and he was gutted. I had no idea as I'd not paid any attention to him or Norwich last season. So far he's on the money.

Graham Mockford
388 Posted 04/02/2021 at 15:25:31

Southampton,, Man Utd, Leeds West Ham and Newcastle. In fact our record against the better teams is alright this year.

The games we won without him were Chelsea, Arsenal, Leicester, Sheff U and Leeds

I did admit it’s a small sample and doesn’t prove anything but it supports what I think I’m seeing is that we are less resilient especially when he occupies a wide position.

I think we have to find a way to accommodate him That probably means him occupying the role Siggy played last night which gives more pace in wider positions

Jay Wood

389 Posted 04/02/2021 at 15:30:45
Whilst some resent it, I have no issue with diverse opinions on any subject. In the case of Everton, I think it is totally normal that there is never ever a universal opinion on the performance of the manager, the team or individual players.

What does bemuse me is the absolutism some express based on the one single game. The game just played.

With this limited perspective, as this thread shows, we get:

* Olsen is a better keeper than Pickford because of his triple reflex save, his clearer shouted commands and the greater calm he exudes.
* Like the Romans, what has Siggy ever done for us? Apart from his tap-in goal and creating the winning goal from his corner, that is.
* Richy is a sulking infant we would be well rid of.
* DCL, in spite of scoring the winning goal (again) is Championship level at best.
* James is a luxury and a liability we cannot afford to play.
* Tom Davies is reviled for the game-defining 6 minutes he played at the death.

On this thread there are a good number of posters who, after Saturday's meek surrender to Newcastle, called out the team as bottlers whilst simultaneously declaring that 'the season was over'; 'just blown the chance of a European place'; 'we'll be lucky to glean another 19 points from our remaining 19 games'.

Scratched me head on that one. Just who are the true bottlers in that scenario? Such claims look a bit silly just one game on, don't they?

Carlo is called out for rotating his keepers rather than sticking with one 'because he doesn't do that with the outfield players'. Oh yes he does. He did it with Keane and James last night. Carlo's rotation of the keepers is keeping both on their toes and reassuring the fans that we have good cover in that position.

It evidently chokes some to admit it, but Siggy is playing well of late, wherever he is asked to play. Last night it wasn't only about his contribution to our two goals, but also how he and the rest of the time helped stifle Phillips and Ayling, both of whom hurt us in the reverse fixture at Goodison.

Richy had a much better game last night in a season where he has been largely poor. Personally, I pay no heed to the pseudo-science reading some indulge in with regard to 'body language' and 'facial expression.'

Richarlison ALWAYS wears a frown when playing (other than when he rejoices when we score). It's his game face. He is extremely intense and concentrated on the game in hand. Not happy at being subbed out last night? Halle-fucking-lujah! Give me a player who wants to play, rather than hide. Not a negative for me at all. I imagine he fancied himself to score last night and being subbed out denied him that chance. And we need Richy scoring again.

Dominic's all-round game was off last night. But...he scored the winning goal with predatory instincts whilst defenders didn't react to the danger. Repeat that for the rest of the season - Dom scores the winning goal, but doesn't play well - and I'll take that all day, ta very much. As I fancy would the manager, his team mates and the player himself.

In this thread Dominic is the prime example of posters looking for confirmation bias to trot out their devaluation of the player. He is SUPERB at holding up the ball. He has EXCELLENT tight control. He has PHENOMENAL pace. He RELISHES the physical side of the game and can more than look after himself. He has a FORMIDABLE leap and is an extremely accomplished header of the ball. His predatory instincts and one-touch finishing have markedly improved.

Last night there were perhaps 3 occassions his shot selection, his finishing, or game awareness - playing in a team mate rather than shooting himself - could have been better.

There hasn't been a footballer born, nay! A human being born, that has never ever erred. Dom erred last night. His goal won us the game.

As for those questioning James' contribution to the team, per-lease! Football is not only about having XI Duracell Bunnies on the pitch. It's not solely about pace and power. Standing still and taking up the best position is also a gift. The ability to see and play a chance-creating ball is a gift. James has it. In spades.

If fit (and he was on the bench last night, so no indication he is injured), he will be back on Saturday v United. As will Michael Keane. Last night Carlo's selection had half an eye on the upcoming fixtures. I fully expect James to feature v United then again in the cup v Spurs.

As for the gratuitous bashing of Tom Davies and his 6 minute cameo, I recall 3 plays by Tom. First, he gave away a simple short pass on the half way line. He received the ball in a tight situation, hounded by 3-4 Leeds players, half way into our half. He turned and shielded the ball from all those snapping at his heels and laid the ball off to an Everton player who was able to launch a counter-attack. He aided and abetted Digne to get out of a tight situation close to our left hand corner.

Since we beat Chelsea our PL record reads:

P 9 W 6 D 1 L 2 F 11 A 7 Pts 19

Only 4 teams have better form - City (on a club record 13 consecutive games winning streak) 26 points from 10 games; United 22 from 11; Leicester 21 from 11; WHU 21 from 11.

Very little in it then. And Everton has played two games less than all of them, apart from City, one game less.

Not for the first time, I'll repeat again.

We're doing alright.

Jamie Crowley
390 Posted 04/02/2021 at 15:31:53
Actually Graham, that list is rather damning.

By my eyes only, I think James is a massive asset, and has more talent than just about all his teammates combined!

Carlo will figure out a way to utilize James' strengths and play winning football over time. I think not playing James yesterday against a run-and-gun Leeds, saving him for Man U, was brilliant.

We'll see how the record progresses as the season does, and as James' career as a Blue continues. It'll be very interesting.

Justin Doone
391 Posted 04/02/2021 at 15:37:42
Dom is good but he's not a natural striker. Shooting is the main area that he has and will continue to improve in.

IMO our only real striker is / was Tosun. But he didn't have the athleticism or strength to play a lone striker role.

Ric goes to ground too easily which is why he doesn't play more often as a striker. He's a better dribbler (currently off form) than Dom and better facing goal than with his back to it.

King is somewhere in between Dom and Ric but with more experience.

Kean is similar to Ric. A better striker of the ball but better facing forwards than turning.

Brian Wilkinson
392 Posted 04/02/2021 at 15:37:50
Andrew@336, you make a good point on the players mentioned, however those other players have quality supporting strikers to back them up, most also have penalties to their quota.

Goals alone Calvert-Lewin is up there with the very best, and no player in Europe has scored more headed goals this season, than Calvert-Lewin.

Calvert-Lewin is fighting a lone battle in attack, winning almost every ball played to him, the guy can do no more than he is at the moment.

His shooting will improve overtime.

Yes he had two good chances, yes others may have put them away, but on another Day Calvert-Lewin would have buried some of the chances, some of those other mentioned have missed, and trust me, everyone of those players you mentioned, have missed easy chances this season.

Graham Mockford
393 Posted 04/02/2021 at 15:38:03

I don’t disagree at his vision and passing ability, top drawer but on the flip side he lacks pace and physicality.

It’s about systems and blend of a team. If he plays out wide teams will target that in my view.

John McFarlane Snr
394 Posted 04/02/2021 at 15:41:14
Hi David [386] I take it that the players you have named were before your time, and while I appreciate that we tend to look back through 'rose tinted glasses' I think that the tales your father told you and the players mentioned should be cherished. You should be be pleased for him to have had such memories to share with you. I grew up mainly on the tales from the 1920s/30s, Dixie Dean, Alec Troup, Warney Cresswell, Cliff Britton, Tommy Lawton etc. and like your Dad I have related my memories good and bad, to my Grandson. League Championships, FA Cup triumphs, the European night in Rotterdam, and the relegation to the Second Division in 1951. Let's hope that you will have many memories of your own to pass on.
Thomas Richards
395 Posted 04/02/2021 at 15:58:48
Every single posters opinion is his/hers genuine assessment of how its going.

Unfortunately some Evertonians, after the years without a trophy, have taken a negative, defeatist attitude.

I think we are getting ourselves into position to stop the trophy drought, I am very happy what I am seeing overall.
Bound to be a few hiccups as we progress.

Tony Abrahams
396 Posted 04/02/2021 at 16:10:24
Graham @391, you forgot the Wolves game the other week, when James Rodriguez was the bravest player on the pitch imo mate, because although we played without a forward, he never stopped trying to get on the ball all night?

Sorry Graham I got that wrong mate, but I’m sure it’s still an illustration of how valuable such a talented footballer can be!

Andrew Clare
397 Posted 04/02/2021 at 16:17:28
Alan # 287,
I agree psychology is very important in sport.
I noticed it when we played Newcastle. Before kick off they got in a huddle looking determined and raring to go, even Bruce and his coaches looked focused- they had a plan and they believed it.
As you say Alan last night Leeds came out early for the second half and they too looked raring to go. What happened? They scored an early goal- luckily Carlo had already got our our boys psyched up for this game so all was ok.
The power of psychology should not be underestimated- look at Murray the tennis player he just couldn’t focus like Federer, Nadal or Djokovic. He could do it on occasion but nowhere near the level the others reached.
Anyway besides all that I am absolutely delighted we won. Godfrey, Doucoure, Gomez and Olsen were outstanding. The rest were not far behind either.
Jay Harris
398 Posted 04/02/2021 at 16:19:39
JAy #392 an awesome post that sums up the poor rush to judgement some posters have.

The classic for me is "Carlo is not the manager we need".

Personally I believe Carlo is doing a magnificent job, dragging certain players up while putting the young lads on a development program with constant calm and collectiveness unlike the lunatic over the road whose head explodes every time something goes against them.

And as you say in your closing statement "we're doing alright".

Graham Mockford
399 Posted 04/02/2021 at 16:23:37

I don’t disagree, I certainly don’t think he lacks bottle but he definitely does not possess pace and power. It’s not his game.

All I’m arguing is he needs to play in a different position than occupying a wide position where he leaves our full backs more vulnerable.

Mike Gaynes
400 Posted 04/02/2021 at 16:35:19
Danny #331, Siggy had two interceptions last night to give him 19 for the season, second to Duke (a much quicker player) among our midfielders. The guy may be a terrible tackler, but as Robert says he is exceptionally good at anticipating passing lanes.

David #351, spot on. DCL's massive improvement this season is down to anticipation and hard work. (He can learn to shoot later.)

Jamie #393, great post. Graham #396 et al, I think you will see the best of James next year, when we have pace on the flanks that we currently lack (I have faith that Marcel and Carlo will buy some wide speed this summer). We've seen a sampling of his crosses -- thus the 7 assists -- but you'll enjoy even more watching him play thru balls into space as he did in his initial seasons at Real Madrid and Bayern.

Tony Abrahams
401 Posted 04/02/2021 at 16:59:40
That’s what I want to see more of from Rodriguez, Mike, but agree that you can’t hit the pass without runners.

I don’t mind Sigurdson, he’s always been a better player closer to his opponents goal, but one thing I would criticise him for, is how many nearly passes that he hits, because there comes a time imo, when it stops becoming unlucky.

Tom Harvey
402 Posted 04/02/2021 at 17:04:37
Mike Gaynes @ 403

DCL, I wouldn't say it's impossible to improve your shooting skills in your early 20's, but as a top flight pro if he doesn't display it now, it's unlikely he'll develop into Pele. Go to any park on a Sunday in Liverpool and watch the kids play, you'll see a few who just "have it", they control themselves and the ball under these pressure situations.

What he really needs is contol of his of what's happening in his head, he's snatching a shot or taking the easier option in these one on one situations.

Thomas Richards
403 Posted 04/02/2021 at 17:05:01

You have played to a good standard mate.
As you say the run makes the passers decision making easier.
Still have to have the ability to play what you see of course.

James is quality mate.
We are lucky to have him.

Shane Corcoran
404 Posted 04/02/2021 at 17:14:56
I haven't seen this mentioned on any of the three match report threads.

What's the story with Ferguson holding up the electronic board for the substitution?

Jamie Crowley
405 Posted 04/02/2021 at 17:16:28
All I’m arguing is he needs to play in a different position than occupying a wide position where he leaves our full backs more vulnerable.

That is a very valid point ^^. James is really better off occupying a traditional 10 role, with license to roam wherever he wants. In that position, he doesn't leave the fullback on an island.

OR! Put him in front of Holgate on the right. Mason isn't a marauder by any stretch, tell him to stay home and just defend.

That being said, I like the "Irish Rover" #10 position. He's played the Irish Rover, let's hope Carlo doesn't say, "No never, no more."

I'll get that cap thingy hanging on the rack and quietly dismiss myself now.

Jamie Crowley
406 Posted 04/02/2021 at 17:19:02
Errr, Wild Rover. Whatevs.
Tony Abrahams
407 Posted 04/02/2021 at 17:22:59
Jamie, you might think of other things, but I’d say the only thing that is impossible to defend, is when teams create a 2 v 1 in wide areas. My point is it doesn’t matter if the fullback stays back, because if his wideman goes missing or doesn’t work hard enough to get back in position, then the other team creates that 2 on 1, and instant danger?

My point exactly Thomas, because Sigurdson’s creative passes usually get cut out, but I think Rodriguez’s passes will usually get to where he’s intended putting them.

Graham Mockford
408 Posted 04/02/2021 at 17:23:17
Jay and Thomas

Perspective on TW? About as likely as my impending engagement to Eva Longoria.

Dave Abrahams
409 Posted 04/02/2021 at 17:49:51
Paul (357), fair enough Paul, I’m too old to worry about players names, just how they play and Ben, will that do?, will get called a few names mostly with plenty of praise after his name, he’s a cracker isn’t he, a proper warrior.
Darren Hind
410 Posted 04/02/2021 at 17:50:48
The "positive" hypocrisy rears its ugly head again.

Those bleating about pre match "negative" comments have the opportunity to counter it. Most of them hide in the shadows instead, frightened to make a comment that may prove to be wrong. If it was up to them there would be no point in a pre-match thread.

If you havent made a positive pre match comment, don't embarrass yourself by taking people to task after we won, because you sure as fuck wouldnt bother if we'd lost.

I don't ever belief we we wont win a game. I have never ever predicted a loss and I barely criticise anybody when the game is on..thats how I see it. Does that make me a positive ? No does it fuck. Thankfully. I have a mind of my own ad after the game all honest assessment is fair. Right up until the day until the day of our next game

Those bleating about negative comments need to go back and examine thread and look at how positive they were BEFORE the match. What you posted to counter it ?

Please, please save us from the rabid self proclaimed positives.

Danny Broderick
411 Posted 04/02/2021 at 17:56:02
In the 5 games we lost when Rodriguez played, is it possible that there were other factors?

E.g. was this when Pickford was dropping clangers? Was this when we had Coleman, Digne and Allan injured?

It’s clear as day to me, we are a better team with Rodriguez in it. We may need to get the balance right, with legs around him. But Sigurdsson isn’t fit to lace his boots, as the stats show.

Thomas Richards
412 Posted 04/02/2021 at 17:58:41
"Most of them hide in the shadows instead, frightened to make a comment that may prove to be wrong"

You were nice and positive this morning 😁😁

What happened today?

Derek Knox
413 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:11:59
Dave @ 412, That's a cracking name for Godfrey, Ben! Oh wait a minute! :-)
Julian Exshaw
414 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:16:27
As much as Saturday's performance deserved all the abuse it got, you could only stand and applaud the performance yesterday, particularly in the first half. It was the most energetic 45 minutes I have seen from us for a while. I wouldn't change the team for the Utd match.

With regards to the issue of comments. I think all comments are valid and welcome here as long as they come from genuine Evertonians. It's a cliché but following our boys is a roller-coaster. When we lose we spit feathers, when we win, we wax lyrical. That's what being a fan is all about. Passionate comments arise from a healthy passionate love for the club. ToffeeWeb would be a boring place if it were full of bland comments (like mine!!).

Christy Ring
415 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:23:47
Darren#413 Great point, everyone here that makes a comment before games, especially after the team is announced, do so in good faith. It's very easy say nothing until the game is over, and when we win ridicule the fans who made negative comments about team selection. I'm delighted to be proved wrong, if and when we win if I question the the team Carlo selected.
Thomas Richards
416 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:27:23
Tony 410,

Spot on mate.
I'm struggling to think of a better footballer who has played for us since the 90s

Paul A Smith
417 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:35:13
Dave 412 I am pleased with loads of the players for different reasons. Some I will ask more of and some I am happy with at the moment because I don't expect much from them.

There will be a time when we all make a bad call or change our minds about something but I will always try to stick with my principle which is I support Everton before anyone or anything else.

In my thoughts or opinions i'll try to think of the experiences we have had or discussed which include everything from rumours to reality.

Therefore, cute pet names for any player, including an Evertonian is a no no for me personally because we have all seen players turn on us and walk away, plus in general we call footballers mercenaries don't we?

No player deserves love anymore to me, its just enjoy them while they are here. There are no Le Tissier's and Southalls anymore.

Also, in being an Evertonian first and foremost, if I see something obvious that I feel needs improving or eradicating to improve my experience as an Evertonian, its getting said.

I think DCL is great because of what he gives us while clearly being manufactured and not a natural finisher. That is clear as day.

He is a fantastic athlete that as Jay says above, improved in his touch and awareness a great deal and become a better target man.

That doesn't mean for one minute he can't be criticised and it doesn't mean he is not good enough. He can still get better. Why people are offended by the thought of that I will never know.

We had a striker that has gone to Man U and Inter Milan from us and the majority couldn't wait to slag him after a hat trick. It was fashionable to find something Lukaku didn't do right.

My support is fully behind Calvert Lewin and always will be because he is a fabulous professional that wants to get better. This season has been brilliant for learning his trade.

Thanks for replying without feeling offended too Dave. I have noticed you and your kid man up many a time on here and its a pleasure chatting to any blue above all the bitter bickering.

Danny O’Neill
418 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:36:07
That's a fair comment Thomas. Very much evident in my younger brother's mindset as opposed to mine.

He was born in 1989 and is a Moyes-enia (sorry my pathetic attempt at an Everton version of Millennia). I'll order a taxi, get my coat and promise never to try and be funny again, but before I do.

Using him as a stereotypical example, we have a generation of fans, who through no fault of their own, believe trying to not lose a game is the default over going out to be brave and win. That every goal conceded should have been saved or could have been prevented.

That is something not just restricted to Evertonians mind. We have a generation of fans who have grown up on FIFA and Sky with a tendency to over-analyse every action.

Will Mabon
419 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:41:56
Christy - time for the club to do a Klopp, and get moaning.
Eddie Dunn
420 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:45:05
Regarding Calvert-Lewin's shooting skills. Cast your minds back about 3 years and a video appeared with Rooney, Klaassen and Calvert-Lewin doing a give-and-go shooting routine. Dom was by far the worst.

He has improved his game in many aspects and, as an old duffer who was still playing until the latest lockdown (60 years old), I can honestly say that you can improve certain aspects of your game, even at my age.

Clearly Calvert-Lewin lacks clever footwork and we rarely see him blasting (Latchfordesque) from 25 yards... but he is amazing in the air and has learn't some cute little flicks and pokes in the box. His hold-up play has also improved and these things can continue to get better.

Already he has been told to abandon running the channels and (with such a compacted fixture list) is concentrating on his main goal (excuse the pun). In a year or two, I think he will potentially be England's main man.

We must move heaven and Earth to keep this kid. We must stop selling our very best players... only then will we be serious contenders.

Paul A Smith
421 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:45:53
Danny @421, you have got good attention to detail – it shows in your posts, mate.

All the engagement and debate you do with fellow blues will stand your views well in the future because you don't get offended and are not afraid to learn.

Darren Hind has taken some stick lately and I have found some of his views baffling but I can't help respect his principles and the fact he is not influenced by the crowd.

It's crazy to assume someone is a wrong un for a few constructive football opinions and, come May, I hope we are all on the same page full of positives.

Martin Mason
422 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:46:56
Darren@413, positivity isn't hypocrisy and unless you can justify that nonsensical statement then I'll put it in the BS folder. Positivity is the perfect state that all of us strive to achieve, negativity is the lowest possible state that you can start from in this search for perfection. Why live a life of negativity? Why support or encourage anything in life if all you can find in it is negativity?

There is a saying that it is better to say nothing and let people think you're an idiot than say something and prove it immediately. To post at the start of a thread something that the poster knows could be exposed as ridiculous later on is not only negative but a particular nutty version.

It is so easy to make the same post in a positive manner so why not be logical and positive? Positivity doesn't preclude criticism; in fact, it breeds healthy criticism.

Negativity is ant-fucking over irrelevancies, positivity is seeing the whole world.

Darryl Ritchie
423 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:52:36
Christy, 4 games in ten days? That’s 12 easy points. Hell, we’ll come from behind and win the league!!!

Darren, THATS positively!

Graham Mockford
424 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:52:54
The love-in with Rodriquez and the slating of Sigurdsson is fascinating. I actually think Rodriguez is the better player, but they've both have the same number of goals and Rodriquez has 7 assists to Sigurdsson's four. A game of fine margins indeed.

He plays in a front three, I reckon I could name at least 10 Premier League players I'd rather have in my front three.

Tony Abrahams
425 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:54:17
I was talking to a Man Utd, season ticket holder a couple of years ago, Paul A, she was knowledgeable, and came across as quite calm and sensible, until I mentioned Lukaku, and then she lost all her lady-like composure, and called him all the lazy bastards in the world!<
John Skelly
426 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:54:45
I think Godfrey and Gomes and Olsen should be the first names on the team sheet against Man Utd and all you other tactical experts can fill in the team around them.
Danny O’Neill
427 Posted 04/02/2021 at 18:59:42
I would distinguish between "negative" Darren and hysterical nonsense. I can't remember the match, but when I came to look at Michael's report the next day, I think we were 45 - 50 comments in before the ranting about the team selection died down. I think we won that one too.

There is nothing wrong with anyone's views on the team selection, whether they are "positive" or critical, be that through disagreement or a raised eyebrow when the team selection is announced – I have those. But some of the downright hysteria at this player being in and that player not is equally eyebrow-raising.

Rodriguez is a joy to watch. He is part of a squad and the manager is, well, managing him – just as he is the squad. My son (born 1994) believes he is the best player he has seen in an Everton shirt.

Paul A Smith
428 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:01:19
Tony A, its not the fact he had no negatives mate its the fact how eager the Whole were to point it out.

Thats illegal with Calvert Lewin for some reason. I loved Lukaku but I still admitted he wasn't as good as Kane in his peak and didn't do the team game well.

He was the best goal scorer we had since Lineker though and I put up with the rest in admiration for his finishing.

Thousands were happy to see the best striker we had in years to go to a team one place above us and those people were never called out.

And don't get me wrong he wanted to go he made it clear but even during the service he gave in goals loads wanted him to go.

John Skelly
429 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:02:21
Sorry if I left out other good performers against Leeds but to me they stood out.
Mike Gaynes
431 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:04:29
Tom #405, true, we'll never see Dominic swerve one into the top corner from 20 yards a la Harry Kane -- he just doesn't have that. But neither do Costa or Giroud. (For that matter, neither did Gerd Muller.) What Dom is developing, rapidly, is their anticipation to get on the end of opportunities before they even happen. The calm and composure you cite will surely follow.

Jamie #409. No. Nay. Never.

Graham Mockford
432 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:04:31

I’m sure we’ve been here before but that lazy bastard has scored 241 club goals and 57 international goals at the age of 27.

If you want Shane Long he’s probably not your man but if you want someone who can score at a ratio of more than 1 in 2 he probably is.

You just have to let him do what he’s best at which is not pressing defenders but popping them in the net on a regular basis

Danny O’Neill
433 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:10:47
Thanks Paul.

I'm with you. I respect Darren's principles but I also do respect his views and agree on occasion. Delivery? Maybe not my way, but then I'm not Darren. His initial post on this thread demonstrated what you finished with Paul; all Evertonians and want the same thing, especially come May.

I know you're in the room Darren, so excuse for talking about you in the 3rd person!

Tony Abrahams
434 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:12:00
I was happy to see him leave for that amount of money, Paul A, and never thought for one minute that he would be a real success at Man Utd. He's doing well in Italy, I think? So good luck to him.

Sometimes I see a footballer and think, if he could just do X-Y or Z, a bit better, he could be one of the best, and that's how I felt about Romelu. He showed me how good he could really be, but only in patches, and this was only because of a lack of work-rate imo, and nothing to do with ability.

Danny O’Neill
435 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:14:39
Shane @407, I've been meaning to respond for the last 3 posts.

Ferguson with the board; something to do with Covid I think. No idea what but I think it's that.

Thomas Richards
436 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:18:18
Lukaku had one game I remember when he showed what he could be. Against Chelsea at home. Something set him on fire, whether it was a comment from a Chelsea player I don't know.

I recall him running with the ball while carrying a full back hanging off his shoulders. Best game I saw bim play for us.

Then he went back to being a nice lad. Bullied by Blind at Wembley etc. Good goal scorer but too nice for me.

Tony Abrahams
437 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:20:01
We have, Graham, the argument I've just explained will never change on my side, and I'd sooner have Calvert-Lewin than either Long or Lukaku. Just like I'd sooner have Rodriguez playing as our Number 10 than Sigurdson, even if I appreciate Glyfi's work-rate when he's played in his proper position.

If Liepzig play in England first, Thomas, it looks like they'll still have to go into quarantine, so I can't see this happening, but hope they might move the fixture to Switzerland?

Thomas Richards
438 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:21:51
That would be a lot fairer, Tony.

I could not believe it when I read it earlier.

Wayne Garbett
439 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:22:39
Hi Guys,

New here but been following ToffeeWeb for years.

I thought we showed the desire last night that we all knew they were capable of... and, in my opinion, that is the minium requirement in every game. I don't mind losing if every player gives 100%.

Godfrey is a find indeed – his energy is something else. If we get some points from our games in hand, we're in the mix... and that's with a few players out of sorts. Why can't we dream? We have waited long enough!

Tony Everan
440 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:26:02
Oumar ‘The Octopus' Niasse is back — in advanced talks with Huddersfield.
Gerry Clarke
441 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:30:01
No-one is going to tell Ferguson he can't do the subs board!
Martin Mason
442 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:30:18
Another positive statement. Gomes is up there amongst the best midfielders in Europe when managed correctly. One of our better buys and at a great price.
Graham Mockford
443 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:32:05

Siri give me the definition of 'hyperbole'.

I mean, I admire your loyalty to the club but you're like the Kayleigh McEnany of TW – but seriously, he's not even one of the best midfield players in Merseyside.

Christy Ring
444 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:32:21
Regarding Lukaku, you'd have to admire Martinez, took a chance and went straight out and spent big money to sign him.

He was never replaced after Koeman told him to join a bigger club.

Graham Mockford
446 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:35:23

We both agree on the relative merits of Rodriguez and Sigurdsson.

I hope Calvert-Lewin becomes a better player than Rom, he definitely has the attributes to do so. But goals are currency as a centre-forward and he has a long way to go to have as much in the bank.

Danny Broderick
448 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:38:34
Lukaku wasn't popular because of two things, but mainly one. The main one was his attitude. He never embraced the club. Always talked about moving on. Straightaway, that's not what you want to hear from your club's goal scorer.

Remember just before he left, he said; “Staying at Everton is not an option!” This from a player we had paid almost £30 million for, and who we were paying handsomely!

The second gripe with him was his work rate, him being lazy. I think some of this stemmed from him always thinking Everton was a stepping stone for him. I was never sure he was 100% committed.

I remember seeing him at Leicester away on the opening day of the season. Although Martinez was in some way to blame for not giving him a minute in pre-season (it was after he had played for Belgium in the World Cup), Lukaku was blatantly overweight and unfit! He did one through run then was doubled over!

The commitment issue just wouldn't go away. He would have been spared the last jibes if people had felt he was committed to us, I'm sure. That was never the case. He made his own bed with the fans, he could have been seen as a hero, like someone like Tony Cottee was. Instead, most were glad to see the back of him.

Same happened at Man Utd. He seems a better player now at Inter and he seems to have knuckled down a bit. Shame the penny didn't drop earlier in his career when he was in England...

Graham Mockford
449 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:48:42

I think you have a point, but there's a difference between being a fans favourite and a world class footballer.

I think he joined Man Utd at the wrong time, a team in decline but he still kept knocking in 20 a season. He's better when he's the main man, probably because he has a bit of an ego. But whichever way you look at it there are only a handful of strikers currently plying their trade who guarantee as many goals. Salah, Kane, Aguero. Levandowski, Neymar, Mbappe and those other two.

They all have different strengths but they all have the same common denominator. They keep on scoring goals.

John McFarlane Snr
450 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:50:01
Hi Darren [413],

It's not the debate that's being criticised, it's the nature of it. Where do I stand in my view of 'Anything can happen in a game of football'? I did what you suggested and there were posts that read:

"Just cannot believe the team he has picked, just handed the match to Leeds in my opinion, has Carlo lost the plot."

"Can not believe it, they are going to trample over us."

"We'll get over-run in midfield with that line-up."

"Carlo, at the moment I think you are clueless." [I haven't written the full post – just the punch-line.]

I ask you again, Darren, because I don't offer any pre-match opinions: Do I qualify for your 'Rabid self-proclaimed positives' label?

Tony Abrahams
451 Posted 04/02/2021 at 19:54:37
I will keep going Graham, because although I cant disagree with you about the currency of a centre-forward, I do believe a player should always give his upmost for the team?

Wasn’t it during half-time, in one of Belgium’s knock out games during the last World Cup, that Eden Hazard stood up and said to Lukaku, that they couldn’t continue to play with ten men?

But goals win games Graham, I know, and my favourite Lukaku performance, was when he scored and also threw Sackho everywhere against Liverpool, in a one all draw, although I’d also agree with Thomas, because that goal against Chelsea, was probably the best I’ve seen at Goodison in my adult life, so it wasn’t all bad with the lazy Rom!

Anthony Barnett
452 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:00:01
Agree with Fran's comment @348, after running probably nigh on 10k in the match already, no surprise after sprinting Michael Johnson style to get played in that it's not easy to find the composed finish.

As an athlete, he's getting close to Ronaldo. He's cut a frustrated figure last few games, not being within 30 yards of a midfielder most of the game, so I was made up to see him get some support last night.

Brave for the goal as well, colliding with the post would be in the corner of his eye and you see those missed as a result, so not as straight-forward as it seemed.

The chance he snatched at near the beginning of the first half was poor though. He needs to work on his left foot or could have shot into the other corner on his right foot.

Tony Hill
454 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:01:24
The comments pre-match are of the type you hear, or used to hear, in the pub. It's in the very nature of football debate.

There is a worrying trend developing on here to disparage anything which isn't hygienic and "positive". If it carries on, then the site will turn into pap. Polite and unwaveringly supportive, no doubt, but nothing like real football chat.

Tony Abrahams
455 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:04:51
Danny @452,

I'd forgot about that game at Leicester, and just when I thought Everton had the makings of a very good team. We were too good for Leicester but they got a draw because Martinez never replaced an unfit Lukaku with Mirallas imo.

And then we absolutely murdered Arsenal the next week at Goodison and they scored two late goals because Roberto was trying to be too clever, and a season that offered plenty had got off to a dreadful start.

Such a shame... and a real missed opportunity for Everton; we had quite a few talented footballers in our team around this time.

Graham Mockford
456 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:05:16

I wouldn't disagree; he has his faults. I'm not sure it's laziness but, when things don't go right for him, he can go into his shell. Maybe it's a lack of self-confidence. But at Everton, he had some of the best performances I've seen by an Everton centre-forward and I've seen Royle, Sharp, Gray and Ferguson.

The Chelsea game was a good example but I was also at the Bournemouth game where he got 4 but his best performance I saw was in Berne where he got a hat-trick. He was absolutely immense.

But, as with most centre-forwards, they don't really reach their prime until their late 20s and you can see that with the goals he's scoring for Inter. Add to that his international record, 50+ goals in 80+ games.

Of course he's one of those players that needs to be in a good team. The really great players are great whatever is around them.

Joe McMahon
457 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:12:23
Danny B, what I would say about Lukaku is yes he didn't live for Everton and bled blue and all that crap. But certainly in my lifetime, he was the most capable and prolific and powerful striker I've seen in an Everton shirt, and he did this on his own upfront.

IMO, Harry Kane is the best striker England have had since Rooney and Shearer. Think of Van Persie, Van Nistelrooy, Cantona, Wright, hate to say it Fowler, they could all smash a ball with Power. I really do think the Everton training camp need to work on Calvert-Lewin and shooting.

Jim Jennings
458 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:22:42

If goals and assists are your only measure of James vs Sigurdsson then fair do's. I have yet to see a stat for the “assist before the assist” such as James's ball to Seamus away to Palace, for example. I've also yet to see a stat for “stand static with back to goal” – see Gylfi on any game he has played.

Your underlying observation is fair. Some posters are OTT on James and some are on Gylfi, including one who seems to only comment on how shit they think he is. But the same can be said of others on their polarised view of Davies, Calvert-Lewin, Ancelotti etc.

I guess we all see different things in a player. Take Mina. Many posters have lauded his performance last night. I see a player who can look top drawer but makes an error in or around his own box most games, then loses his head trying to make up for it. Like last night, misjudged the flight of the ball, they score, then spends the game charging out to try do something noteworthy to make up for it, but invariably slides in and gives away cheap frees.

Tony Abrahams
459 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:26:37
Very true that last sentence Graham, it's made the debate worthwhile reading that mate!

That's also true about what it would be like in a pub Tony, mate!

I try and be positive, whilst also understanding those who are not so positive, but my biggest issue with the negativity at the minute, is that never inherited a decent squad, and although he's definitely got some things wrong, he's also got to be given time, and also a few more players to work with?

Newcastle might be a turning point (maybe I'm being too optimistic) but I was glad that he questioned their spirit and attitude because it also had a tone, that was maybe asking the players, if they really understood themselves?

Watching Spurs v Chelsea, and I'd also like to ask these refs, if they also understood themselves!

Derek Taylor
460 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:27:53
Shop around a bit and you can get 6/1 about an Everton win on Saturday. If you can bring yourself to positively bet against the Blues then you will have to be satisfied with 1/2 whilst 7/2 is available on the draw.

Given our erratic form, I think you will have to be really brave to put money on an Everton win although Carlo's muddled selections are always likely to spring a surprise!

Danny O’Neill
461 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:28:03
Tony @460. Good shout actually. We all often overlook that written text can not always carry the context of the meaning where it to be conveyed in the spoken word. For example, "you're talking shite mate" would likely be considered offensive on here whereas in a pre-match discussion over a pint, it's friendly banter. Not that you're talking shite, just using it as an example (so please don't take out of context!!!).

The Lukaku debate is interesting. I did not always buy the lazy tag given to him. I judge strikers mainly on goals as that is what we want them for and it seemed that for the first time in a long time, we had a striker who scored goals more than he ran the channels or chased a corner flag. Most good strikers I played with were selfish, moaned a lot, always blamed you for the ball not being were they wanted it. And also the players who generally always needed an arm around the shoulder and a cuddle to make them feel loved an important!!

BUT, I get the commitment thing. I know that sounds contradictory to my previous point about him not being lazy. He wasn't committed enough at Everton. A lack of commitment will impact on desire and effort resulting in playing to full capacity only when it suits, therefore giving the impression of being lazy.

Interesting on the fitness side as well. I thought he really struggled for whatever reason at United and went through a period where he looked totally out of shape and more overweight than I ever remember him whilst at Everton.

Graham Mockford
462 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:28:27

Rodriguez is a better player than Sigurdsson, end of. But stats are important – especially when it comes to goals.

I also agree about Mina but he's been a different player since October. It's a nice place to be where we have four centre-backs who we can be confident in especially as two of them are equally comfortable at full-back.

Danny Broderick
463 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:32:49
Graham (428),

I note what you say about fine margins separating Sigurdsson and Rodriguez, but I think they are chalk and cheese in terms of what they produce:

Sigurdsson’s PL stats:

19 appearances
3 goals
2 assists
Average 25 passes per match (474/19)
Shots 17
Tackles 35

Rodriguez’ PL stats:

14 appearances
4 goals
3 assists
Average 48 passes per match (667/14)
Shots 25
Tackles 42

I’m seeing a player (James) who is beating Sigurdsson in most measures that I care about. Rodriguez has played less games, but made far more shots and passes. I wish we could see how many of those passes were backwards and sideways, as that is a measure I am confident Sigurdsson would win.

These stats are taken from the infogol.net website. But stats aside, in Rodriguez I see a player wanting to get on the ball, wanting to create, wanting to score. Never hiding.

In Sigurdsson, I see a player going through the motions. Doing half the passes per game that Rodriguez does. Having less than one shot a game. He runs around more. He points more. Mike G said that he’s really good at anticipating passing lanes? Really not sure about that but if that’s what the stats say, so be it. But I want my creative midfielders to be involved in the game. Rodriguez has even done more tackles than Sigurdsson in less games!

One was a free transfer. One was a record transfer. One is a new player to the team. One is the captain. My eyes don’t lie to me, like Roy Keane would say. The fella wearing the armband is stealing a living, even if he does run around and point a lot...

Tony Hill
464 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:36:00
You're right, Tony @465. Like all of us on here, I live every second of the games and am nervous for hours beforehand. Not being able to go to the match makes it even worse. The pressure on this site as an outlet is all the greater I guess.

Danny Broderick
465 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:38:47
Tony A (461),

We were full of hope that day at Leicester away after a great previous season. With the benefit of hindsight, that was the start of our recent dark days. Martinez taking over a well drilled Moyes team had been a match made in heaven the previous year.

A Martinez pre-season was never as good as a Moyes pre season, the fitness and defensive organisation disappeared. The rot set in then, Koeman, Silva, Allardyce etc followed. Only now do we seem to be recovering (keeping everything crossed!)

Danny O’Neill
466 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:45:00
The centre back situation has been a perfect storm of aligning planets Graham. A combination of much improvement from Mina and Keane, Mason's return and the unexpected purchase of Godfrey.

My personal first choice was last night's pairing, but you are correct, what a nice problem to have in that in this area of the pitch we are comfortable with any 2 of the 4, or indeed, all 4 occupying the entire back 4.

Graham Mockford
467 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:46:55

You must have missed the post where I said James is a better player than Sigurdsson. But, if he is such an awful player, then Carlo selecting him every game is a terrible misjudgement.

Look, I think the problem with Sigurdsson is we have played him in the wrong position. He's not a central midfield player, he's not a holding midfielder, and he's not a wide player.

He's a No 10; play him off a striker and you get the best out of him. Like last night.

I also think James is a No 10 and would be my first choice in that role.

Also, neither player had any role in how much the club paid for them.

Stephen Vincent
468 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:52:57
Three things about Lukaku that make my most despised Everton player – and there haven't been many.

In his last season with us, he scored 25 goals and we finished 7th. Know where we would have finished if he hadn't scored a single goal? 7th.

His performance in the semi-final against Man Utd was a disgrace. Missed two one-on-ones and a penalty and didn't give a shite.

Trying to steal that goal from Tom Davies. No matter what anyone says, he meant it.

Just not a very nice human being.

Danny Broderick
469 Posted 04/02/2021 at 20:54:17
I suppose we all like to think we know our football on here. I see ToffeeWeb as a great outlet for me, whether I am right or wrong! When I got the team news last night, I was furious. Gomes and Sigurdsson in midfield. I basically thought Leeds would run rings around those two.

In reality, Gomes had a great game, and Sigurdsson scored the opener. I'm obviously not a fan of Sigurdsson, but credit to the team and Carlo for getting the result.

In terms of us fans, there is no right and wrong. It's like politics. We can have different opinions. None of it really matters in the end. It's just chatter, and we all want the best for EFC regardless of our opinions.

If Sigurdsson scores the goals that get us in the top 6 or get us to win the FA Cup, I'll be as happy as Larry and admit I was wrong (not that I think I am currently mind!)

All the best guys.

Tony Abrahams
470 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:02:08
Danny@471, we stopped defending headers, and keeping everything crossed, I agree, because suddenly it looks like it’s becoming one of our stronger points at the minute, (winning headers) although we did switch off twice against Newcastle, but for all the positives about Godfrey (which I agree with) I’m not sure how good he his in the air just yet?
Graham Mockford
471 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:14:55
Stephen 474

Guess where we would have finished if any single player in the squad hadn't scored a goal. That would be relegated. The most ridiculous argument I've ever heard.

Fancy despising an Everton player... you need help.

Danny Broderick
472 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:15:09

One thing I always found bizarre about Martinez was that he was obviously a student of the game - yet he refused to practice set pieces. He totally neglected that set pieces are massive in England, defensively and offensively. Who knows where we would have ended up if he had just been a bit more diligent on both of these aspects?

Carlo certainly hasn’t neglected them. I do feel that we could do with a back up midfielder to Allan and Doucoure, and a back up striker to DCL. If we can finally get shut of some of our deadwood in the summer and make 2/3 decent signings, our squad will be better balanced than it has for a long time. And yes, Godfrey is looking like a steal. Some people are comparing him to Des Walker. Remember the Forest fans used to sing “you’ll never beat Des Walker?!” I hope we can sing that to Ben Godfrey when we get back in the ground, he’s been outstanding and looking unbeatable...

Danny O’Neill
473 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:28:33
Graham @473; had to double-check there. Too many Tony's and Danny's on here!

Well seeing as it caught my attention. I agree, James is clearly the better player. For me he is my first choice in the Number 10 and would love to see him flanked by Richarlison & King ahead of Doucoure & Allan with Calvert-Lewin upfront. Sigurdsson has done much better in that position of late and played well there last night. In an age of necessary squad rotation, for now, having both is good with me.

Other Danny @475. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Danny Broderick
474 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:28:50
Graham (473),

I saw that you said James is the better player. My point is that, not only is he the better player, he also produces more. He's involved.

Sigurdsson is often on the periphery. The ball is like a hot potato to him. He receives it and often gives it back to the player who plays it to him. I think it's a responsibility thing – Rodriguez wants the ball, Sigurdsson doesn't. That's why it kills me that Sigurdsson is our captain.

We go to Old Trafford on Saturday. Based on the stats, Sigurdsson will do a pass every 3/4 minutes if he plays. He might have one shot. He might do 2 tackles.

Carlo knows infinitely more than me, and it worked out last night. I hope it works out again on Saturday. But I want our captain to be a leader, an example to the others. Not necessarily the best player, but someone we can depend on who won't go missing.

Michael Keane would be my captain, or maybe Lucas Digne.

Tony Abrahams
476 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:32:49
Des Walker was some player when he was at Forest, Danny, but whilst his game was definitely all about defending, Godfrey also looks like he doesn't mind carrying the ball forward, which is a great sign.

Dave Abrahams
478 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:36:15
Paul A (420, yes I think you are right, in most cases, that players have no real affinity with the club and will move on as soon as another club wants them and offers more money, that’s life, as long as they show commitment and give 100% effort while they are here is enough for me,

As for Dominic Calvin Lewin I like him a lot and have supported him since he broke into the team, he has worked hard and improved every year and he will continue to improve, because he wants to, he has played all over the place for the good of the team without a whimper, just gets on with it.

Since Carlo has started player deeper it has increased Dominic’s work rate, ploughing a very lonely field up front on his own, winning plenty of headers and having to chase them because there is no one up there with him, must be very frustrating for him, hopefully King will give him some help as another outlet with his strength and pace, he didn’t play well last night, that didn’t mean he never stopped working from start to finish, I think he is well appreciated by a large proportion of fans including yourself and he deserves to be.

Danny Broderick
479 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:36:36
You’re right Tony. He does seem to have desire to burst forward as well. He’s looking like a hell of a find.
Christy Ring
482 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:37:23
Personally, I think Sigurdsson is a passenger for a lot of the game. Okay, maybe he's a No 10, but that doesn't mean you don't work your ass off.

Richarlison is a left-winger, maybe not playing well but his work rate and back defending time after time.

Danny mentioned Roy Keane wearing the armband, totally different player, I know, but a captain who led by example, shedding blood sweat and tears. Is there no bigger incentive, being the leader of the team? Maybe times have changed?

Graham Mockford
483 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:42:05
Danny @480,

We agree on two things: James is the best No 10 at the club.

But football is a squad game these days. Sigurdsson has a role to play and has done in every game bar one this season. He has his limitations but he's never struck me as a player who hides and doesn't give his all. And he's always got a goal in him or an assist.

I also agree Michael Keane would be my captain.

Thomas Richards
484 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:42:24

When Godfrey starts at center-half we will play 10-15 yards further up the pitch. We did it last night as you know.

That in turn gets the midfield and Calvert-Lewin closer to each other, closes the space and gets rid of the wide-open spaces we have between the lines.

Gets the midfield closer to Calvert-Lewin.
I wouldn't move Ben from center-half.

Stephen Vincent
485 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:43:27
Graham, he rarely scored a goal that mattered to anyone except him. The important ones he scored, he was motivated by only himself. Chelsea, for example, he needed to make a point and he did.

Most of the time, he was a lazy good-for-nothing who took the easy option. Doesn't it frustrate and annoy you that such a talented footballer chose to steal a very substantial living from us?

Peter Gorman
486 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:44:04
Thomas, I wouldn't drop Godfrey for love nor money – beast of a young lad.
Graham Mockford
487 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:46:15

No, I was happy on every 87 occasions he scored for us.

Tony Abrahams
488 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:49:18
Danny and Graham,

Michael Keane wouldn't even be in my best first eleven, proving football is a game with such diverse opinions! And I'm going to bed before yers reply!

Dave Abrahams
489 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:51:48
Thomas (487), definitely, hope his versatility doesn't get him moved too much because, if Keane and Mina play, it's got to be as centre-backs and it's got to be deep which restricts us going forward.

Ben is a future captain too, see him talking, urging and instructing his teammates last night, from start to finish. He also gave James a bollocking in his first game versus Liverpool for a stray pass, gave him another one two weeks later for the same thing and, if he's not doing any of the above, he's leading by example.

Thomas Richards
490 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:51:58
Tony @491,

He wouldn't be in mine either.

Peter @489,

We have robbed this lad for £20 million.

Graham Mockford
491 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:52:51

I was definitely more frustrated by Beattie, Johnson, Jo, Stracqualursi, Kone, etc, etc cos they never scored as many goals.

Mike Gaynes
492 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:54:59
Stephen #488, is there football on whatever planet you're orbiting?

That's the only place 87 goals in 166 games wouldn't matter.

Graham Mockford
493 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:55:57

As you said, all about opinions... but that's harsh on Keane given he's been flawless this season.

Danny Broderick
494 Posted 04/02/2021 at 21:59:55

Haha. Cat among the pigeons springs to mind!

Thomas Richards
495 Posted 04/02/2021 at 22:00:30

Spot on, mate. Definitely a future captain is Ben. A leader of men.

Keane is a decent edge-of-the-box defender. Everything in front of him. The space behind is his problem. If we push higher, he gets badly exposed.

Stephen Vincent
496 Posted 04/02/2021 at 22:05:21
Graham, the other guys you mention didn't have anything like half of Lukaku's talent. You mention The Straq – very limited ability wise but boy did he give 100%.

But, if you are happy having the piss taken out of you, that's fine with me.

Bobby Mallon
497 Posted 04/02/2021 at 22:08:04
Why has Martial not been retrospectively banned? Here's what was wrote by BBC:

Everton's Oumar Niasse "exaggerated the effect of a normal contact to deceive the referee" and win a penalty according to the written reasons for his two-game ban for diving.

They were both exactly the sane.

Stephen Vincent
498 Posted 04/02/2021 at 22:10:45
Mike, I'm not arguing about his record, just his attitude which stank the place out. Imagine how good he would have been if he had tried.
Stuart Sharp
499 Posted 04/02/2021 at 22:10:56
Amazed that people wouldn't start with Keane. He has been excellent all season, snuffing out danger time and time again. His passing has been excellent too.

I fully agree about Godfrey, but would want them both. Sometimes that means dropping Mina, something that means playing Godfrey on the left. The goal Leeds scored last night is the kind that Keane usually prevents.

Andy Crooks
500 Posted 04/02/2021 at 22:11:38
Jay H @401, you are right but... rushing to judgement is what is part of the spontaneity of enjoying and being passionate about football. I agree that JW's post at 392 is a cracker. In fact it was his posts I turned to for reassurance when I fretted about relegation a while ago.

I admire his calm analysis, indeed need it. My wife compares me to Bulldog in Frasier. Through the roof instant rage, then days of reflection, an apology or two sometimes, then back to bearing the cross of being an Evertonian.

That is one reason why I avoid the Live Forum, I would get arrested. Another reason is that I couldn't watch the game and comment. I watch the game like my life depends on it.

Just like to ask all Toffees, hand on heart, do the benefits outweigh the downside?

Stupid question really... we are all slightly deranged.

Jamie Crowley
501 Posted 04/02/2021 at 22:16:03
Swear to God this just happened.

My 11-year-old just texted me, right now because he didn't see the entire game against Leeds due to school and soccer practice:

Ummmm dad why did Everton sign a player from AFC Bournemouth?

I replied:

Cover. He can play multiple positions.

John Boon
502 Posted 04/02/2021 at 22:24:56
Wednesday was such a "REALLY" good day for any Evertonian.

I like the comment "Anfield is such a difficult place to win at". Ask Liverpool

Simple tactics and strategy against Man Utd. Try to score more than them and it's a guaranteed win, so easy.

Brian Wilkinson
503 Posted 04/02/2021 at 22:28:44
When you look at 3 cup finals on the bounce, 2 league titles and a runners up spot, two things spring to mind, the first one is obvious, a very good side.

However the second is, we played our strongest 11 in both Competitions.

The game may have speeded up, but so has the fitness of footballers, who look after their bodies better, and a better diet.

With three subs allowed, 5 in the FA Cup, there is no reason whatsoever to rotate: play your strongest 11 and go all out to try and win the cup. That is where have gone wrong over the past years.

Fair play to Carlo, he has played a very strong starting 11 in the FA Cup.

Against Spurs, we have to play with those players, with the exception of Allan returning, stick with the team we put out against Leeds, none of this rotating.

Let's get a bleeding cup in our trophy room.

Brent Stephens
504 Posted 04/02/2021 at 22:32:12
“Another reason is that I couldn't watch the game and comment. I watch the game like my life depends on it”.

Andy, you can post and still watch by using the mic icon.

Jamie Crowley
505 Posted 04/02/2021 at 22:37:45
Andy Crooks,

I'd pay real, serious money to see you on the Live Forum. One Andy rant is worth 1000 negative posters crawling out of the woodwork when we concede.

Try that mic feature.

David Hayes
506 Posted 04/02/2021 at 22:50:54
How did a thread about another away win, morph into this:

Describe in minute detail why you don't rate or even hate an Everton player past or present. Or select your go-to whipping-boy and repeat what you say in detriment after every game.

Or point out perceived failings of some and over glorify others (soon to be future whipping boys when the wind changes.)

Thankfully the majority on here abstain from trolling.

Dale Self
507 Posted 04/02/2021 at 22:51:41
Andy, be on the live forum for the humor and pun play. I get that it is a distraction at times but for me it is worth it to experience the game with the community, even those negative bastards that love Everton every bit as much as I do.
Justin Doone
508 Posted 04/02/2021 at 23:18:23
A mixed bag of comments but I hope to get to see James play in the flesh for Everton. I did watch him in the flesh for Real Madrid a few years back, what a brilliant player he is on his day.

What he wants and needs is a partner to play one-twos with. Someone that has the extra pace and strength he lacks so he can quickly mix up the short and long passes.

He's a top class player no doubt. I like stats but never go looking for them when it comes to watching and judging football players.

I'm looking forward to who Carlo can bring in to fully support and get the best out of James. Hazard is on my wishlist.

Lukaku wasn't lazy, but he's naturally a powerful sprinter, not an athletic middle-distance runner. Martinez allowed the forwards to become lazy in terms of chasing back or closing down. Barkley, Mirallas, Deulofeu all suffered from the same apparent laziness.

What he was and is, is a top player and goal scorer. A proper striker. His weakness and my main moan about him was always his often poor first touch and inability to play a 10-yard pass to link play. It didn't improve. Whereas I see Dom improving all of his game, his holding / link-up play is good.

Once Rooney left, which I was gutted about but completely understood the reasons, in my eyes all players became less Everton. It's a job, a career and they want to win and enjoy playing at the highest level. Lukaku was our best player, he's ambitious and for me simply the best Everton striker since Lineker.

one player and several managers started to turn me negative. Schneiderlin and his many chances to demonstrate what he must do in training. I just didn't see anything to his game that Davies or several other youth players could probably do but better.

Like Klaassen, he had some ability but didn't show anything and was the backwards pass master. Thankfully both gone.

Bill Gall
509 Posted 04/02/2021 at 23:22:07
Watched some of the Spurs v Chelsea game and thought it was boring.

As some of our own supporters were critical of our performance against Leeds, I decided to watch that game, mostly the second half as after their first goal, I was that nervous because I thought we were going to loose; I couldn't concentrate on the game and, like other supporters, I believed we were rubbish the second half.

So, knowing the score at the end, I concentrated more on Everton's performance. The two mistakes were the only times that Leeds troubled our keeper: the first when they scored and the second when Olsen made the saves.

Olsen done another smart thing when he called the trainer on to calm things down. After that, despite their possession, Leeds never troubled Olsen, and Everton had better opportunities to score, and I thought overall we controlled the rest of the half.

I guess watching a game knowing the score puts a different view of a game.

Sean O’Hanlon
510 Posted 04/02/2021 at 23:35:07
Sean (272),

Players are rightfully slagged off before a game, if they have played garbage in previous games.

Everton will be up and down all season. We have no consistency. We'll roll over at Man Utd, followed by a sad exit from the cup. We will then win one or two games before another slump.

I disagree with Ancelotti's team selection many times – and after watching some of the players' performances they are rightfully criticised.

Sigurdsson took his goal well, but what else did he do in the game? Thankfully Pickford was injured, otherwise Carlo would have selected him, and we would have lost the game.

Remember the old saying: one swallow doesn't make a summer.

Ed Prytherch
511 Posted 05/02/2021 at 00:14:40
According to the constipated serial killer, the reason that we won was that, for some reason, his players slipped on their wonderful new pitch and our players didn't. His chairman should treat him to a bottle of Milk of Magnesia and a few Xanax.
Mike Gaynes
512 Posted 05/02/2021 at 00:42:52
Andy #503, please please please come play on the Forum. I need somebody besides Pat who can crack me up. Your first day's beer is on me. All of it.

Ed #515, "constipated serial killer"??? Pick me up off the floor. I assume he's constipated because it's a high-fiber serial? (See what I did there.)

Sean #514, if you're right that "we have no consistency", then "We'll roll over at Man Utd, followed by a sad exit from the cup" constitutes consistency, does it not? Maybe you need some high-fiber serial too.

Danny O’Neill
513 Posted 05/02/2021 at 00:56:02
The forum is a dangerous place. There are madmen on there.

Present company excluded.

Darren Hind
514 Posted 05/02/2021 at 05:47:48
Johnny Mac @453,

I have shown you nothing but respect on these pages. Every time I speak of or to you, it is with respect, but I have noticed you taking me to task on an increasing basis recently. You either ignore or don't see the abuse I take (in the name of "positivity"). This time, you take it further. You seem to be actively seeking to be offended.

Out of respect for your age and service to our club, I will not become embroiled in argument with you, but there is a couple of things I would like to point out to you.

These people who scream and shout in protest of what the claim is negativity are total hypocrites. There are about a dozen of them who come on here demonstrating all the emotion and reason of a cat. Nearly all have done what they angrily accuse others of doing.

The guy telling you Gomes is one of the best midfield players in Europe hasn't quite worked out the difference between positivity and pie-in-the-sky. Nor has he realised that others have posted on here as long as he has... and they will remember him for wishing the death of a thousand screams on a previous manager. Of course, he was seeing the "whole picture" back then...

There is another who hated Silva so much, he predicted and wanted him to lose every game after Christmas. He labeled those who want us to win as delusional and, after being totally pissed off with the marvelous form we showed in that period, announced he was fucking off to watch Hibs.

I've seen these posters and a hardcore group who think like them desperately trying everything to shout down criticism of this current manager. Anyone not applauding Zombie Football is attacked in numbers.

I have seen one of the most balanced and informed posters on this site shy away from posting because he was worried he was causing too much angst among the rabid.

This group will monotonously defend (in numbers) any criticism of their hero. I've seen them repeatedly trying to shout down Ian Edwards for simply stating the blindingly fucking obvious about our spoiling tactics... Boring they call him – oh, the irony!

In recent weeks, one poster has informed me that I want the team I have supported for 60 years to lose. I could have argued, but I chose to treat his comment with contempt. Just as I treated his apology with contempt by ignoring it... When he repeated his accusation again the week after, I treated that with contempt by ignoring it too.

I have seen one poster insinuate my criticism and that of another poster could be construed as racist (a fucking horrible, snide insinuation), but the knowledge that my mams mother was born in the same region of Italy as Carlo gave me the strength to treat that with contempt too.

If I wanted to stop posting on this site, I would simply do it, but I don't. I enjoy it... So when this week, somebody made the half-witted claim that I have on numerous occasions threatened to "leave this site", I could have called him a liar and asked him to prove it. I didn't because he already knows he is a liar and he had no earthly hope of proving it, just as the foolish gigglers who jumped on his bandwagon.

My view is balanced. No other poster posts more positively than me on a pre-match thread. If the manager gets a win playing attractive football, I am fulsome in my praise. If he sets out to spoil a game and we don't win, make no mistake – he will be getting both barrels from me. I do it so often because he does it so often.

There are about a dozen people on this site who will apologise for everything. They will defend spoiling Zombie Football to the death and they will do it in the name of positivity. No balance, have they? They are not free thinkers.
So anyway John. If you see me throwing out comments of the "If the cap fits" variety, don't be in such a hurry to try to squeeze it over your head. It's just me standing my ground. by holding up a mirror to the self-proclaimed "positives", I'm simply letting them know I won't be shouted down.

I know who the cap fits. You, sir, have no worries on that score.

Martin Mason
515 Posted 05/02/2021 at 07:48:59
Darren, you're a self acclaimed legend in your own lifetime. Far too much to say for yourself and, unfortunately, mainly about yourself. I mean that in the most positive way.
Thomas Richards
516 Posted 05/02/2021 at 07:54:34
The emotion.
The drama.

It's like a Bette Davis movie...

John Keating
517 Posted 05/02/2021 at 08:16:51
Now AstraZeneca have used their skills to get a Covid vaccine, maybe they can now concentrate on getting one for delusion...
Tony Abrahams
518 Posted 05/02/2021 at 08:27:53
If I was Darren, I'd have stopped posting, because although it wouldn't bother me having an individual spat with anyone, but getting ganged up on, especially when something isn't even remotely funny, would do my fucking head in.

Keep posting, Darren, because you add real debate, and I'm sure that's why we all come on ToffeeWeb, to debate about our team.

David Cash
519 Posted 05/02/2021 at 08:31:44
Wow Darren,

I was about to tell you that you were talking shite but three quick-fire responses from people flagging themselves up...

Seems the cap really does fit in some cases!

Thomas Richards
520 Posted 05/02/2021 at 08:35:49
Four including yours, Casho.
David Cash
521 Posted 05/02/2021 at 08:56:44
I don't need to flag myself up. Thomas. I make no secret of the fact that I disagree with his comments about our manager, but I will always be happy to even the numbers up when I see you and other members of your group attack as a pack.

Even if he wasn't my mate, I would still find it as disagreeable as Tony clearly does. Nearly everytime I come on here, there is a pack of you all over every post he does. I find myself struggling not to intervene.

Like Tony. I seriously wonder why he posts at all.

Laurie Hartley
522 Posted 05/02/2021 at 09:15:37
Andy # 503 - “ we are all slightly derranged.”. I wouldn’t go so far as to say “all” but you can count me among the many. It’s good though isn’t it?

Up the Blues!!!

Thomas Richards
523 Posted 05/02/2021 at 09:16:48

I didn't say you did flag yourself up.

Give it.
Take it

Tony Abrahams
524 Posted 05/02/2021 at 09:22:53
Back to the debate, Danny was correct, it was a cat amongst the pigeons shout by me. Graham was also correct, it would be very harsh, to drop a man who has been arguably our best player this season, but most definitely not flawless.

Stuart says it amazes him that people wouldn’t pick Keane, but I was amazed at how many third tier passes, down our sides against Newcastle, caused us so many problems.

I’ve played in midfield with eleven men defending their own half, allowing defenders to defend deep, and I didn’t mind it one, bit because it left your opponent very little space to pull you around. But I’ve also played in midfield when my team haven’t defended from the halfway line, but my defenders have still played deep, and it’s a bloody nightmare, because even bad players become decent with space.

If Everton are to evolve, I’m certain it will be by playing higher up the pitch, and I’m not sure Michael Keane can play this role? He’s surprised me already this season because he’s definitely improved beyond recognition imo, so maybe he can surprise me again, especially because I’m beginning to sound like I pick the bloody team, not that I’d ever be ruthless enough!!

David Graves
525 Posted 05/02/2021 at 09:53:04

I agree with your analysis of Keane. Last season, I thought that one of his major weaknesses was when he gets turned and the ball comes over his shoulder. To compensate for this and his lack of pace, we started to defend deeper which, as you suggest, creates massive spaces for the opposition to move into.

I think that he is a good defender when teams take a line from the edge of the box which is why he did so well at Burnley and there is no doubt that his passing has improved this season to the extent that he looks good on the ball.

But perhaps the pairing of Godfrey and Mina allowed us to close those big gaps across the middle of the pitch and allowed Sigurdsson to play further forward?

Danny O’Neill
526 Posted 05/02/2021 at 09:54:39
That's accurate about Keane, Tony.

I've been a huge critic over most of his time here. It isn't just his lack of pace, it was his lack of anticipation and reading the game to compensate for that.

But, he is vastly improved this season; no doubting that. Because the system and way we are defending suits him. As soon as we go to a more expansive game higher up the pitch, I suspect those traits will again be exposed, although in fairness, even in a deeper defence, he is reading the game better now.

All fit, Mina and Godfrey for me out of the 4. Not that I pick the team either.

Roman Sidey
527 Posted 05/02/2021 at 10:14:58
This thread is a classic example of why I took most of last year off ToffeeWeb. Ever since I started supporting Everton in 2002 I've seen a large portion of the vocal fans rabidly support and defend underwhelming players – Hibbert bing the prime example – while actual decent players get slagged off, usually because they "aren't Everton enough". I've alluded to it recently but now I'm just gonna spell it out: a large proportion of Everton fans (and probably fans of all clubs) truly dislike non-British and Irish players.

Lukaku is hands down the best striker this club has had in about 25-30 years and majority of his mentions on here for his entire stay were negative. Some people are saying they'd rather have Calvert-Lewin... that boggles my brain.

There's been some absolute doozies too even before the Lukaku chat got started. "Any top 4 team would love to have Calvert-Lewin." If a "top 4" team wanted him they'd have him, or at least there'd be noise in the media about them trying to get him.

The one I love the most is along the lines of "Carlo picked this team and they beat Leeds away but he picked a team at home to Newcastle and they got battered." Does anyone seriously think that any of Newcastle's starting XI are better players than their opposing number? Maybe current-day Coleman is the exception. Carlo picked a side more than capable of winning against a dreadful team in dreadful form. The players dropped the ball there.

Kevin Molloy
528 Posted 05/02/2021 at 10:35:21
I actually think James's best position is right wing. If he is No 10, the other side designate their deep-lying midfielder to just follow him, and if they do that there is a good chance he is nullified when he wanders around, as this chap will just follow him.

A full-back though is loath to do that, he doesn't want to leave the whole flank wide open, so when James drifts infield, normally it allows him the freedom to pick up the ball in space.

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
529 Posted 05/02/2021 at 10:38:33

There are over 500 posts on this thread, ranging widely in diversity of opinion, subject matter, positivity, negativity – you name it. If the wide-ranging discussion is not to your liking, then sure – take your ball home.

I can assure you that you will not find anywhere on ToffeeWeb any single comment that uses the phrase "aren't Everton enough". Not sure why you would need to make that up. But if made-up phrases are driving you away, so be it.

While you are on your way, you can also take your not-so-thinly disguised racist and xenophobic garbage with you: "a large proportion of Everton fans truly dislike non-British and Irish players" I don't believe you can produce one tiny scrap of evidence from posts on here to support such utter drivel.

And I see that you have previous for playing this underhand racist card, which I'd not caught at the time: "I do wonder how fans would feel about Moise Kean if he were British." — What the fuck?!?! So we're all racist except you?

David Hayes
530 Posted 05/02/2021 at 10:40:43
There are many diverse groups on TW, a wonderful mixture, which all adds to the joy and pain of the community.

The hindsight merchants, the Parinoid, the Cumudgoens.
The "Stats tell it all" mob.
The novel authors. The single player determent obsessives.
The "I only respond to my select group of friends or enemies" party.
The "Why don't they play like they did when I was a kid and assault the opposition, must be cowards or lazy" faction.
Happy clappers and many more.

A real and healthy mix for endless entertainment and passion-stirring debate; love it and hate it at the same time. Long may it continue.

David Cash
531 Posted 05/02/2021 at 10:45:02
I don't have to give it or take it, Thomas.

I wont get involved in debating with you again. The fact is. I have never seen anything addressed where you have had to "take it". You hide in the crowd and simply give it, Nobody attacks you personally but then you know that already that. Dont you.

I'm taking my own advice and jibing this site. You and your gang are like a bunch of old women. You have not got a football debate in you.

See ya

Dave Abrahams
532 Posted 05/02/2021 at 10:55:40
Two cracking posts on here last, after I'd gone to bed!

Justin (511), always read his posts and learn from, well worth the time, and Andy Crooks, loads of posters like Andy's posts, if you had the pleasure of meeting Andy you'd like him just as much, maybe more. (Make sure your Missus reads this post, Andy, and pick her up after she faints.)

To see Andy going to watch Everton is to look at an excited 10-year-old Bluenose wrapped up in a middle-aged man. He can't wait to get through the turnstile and lap up every second of being inside Goodison Park. Watching, enthralled by his fellow Evertonians, Andy is from Belfast but his soul came with Everton wrote on it. He could learn plenty of Evertonians how to be proper Blues.

Another post came from Darren (Hinds) – love them, don't always agree with them, but understand and like him even though I've never met him. Another great Blue. I don't have to tell you Darren but keep on posting !!!

Rob Dolby
534 Posted 05/02/2021 at 11:10:31
Looking at both Keane and Mina, I don't think that I have ever seen better passers of the ball from CB for the blues. Keane's passing against Wolves was unbelievable.

Without sounding like I am making excuses for Keane's early form for us. He was playing with a bad foot injury for a while plus he suffered a fractured skull. Also having to play behind some half arsed midfield performances and Silva's non marking from set pieces made the whole defence look poor.

Ancelotti and the coaching staff have improved the whole defence.

I am a fan of Keane's and was happy that we bought him. The lad will run through a brick wall for us.

All players have weaknesses, it's limiting the exposure to them that's key. Defending a little deeper, midfielders closing the gaps and trying to prevent runners.

Both CBS have been helped out a lot this season with the likes of Doucouré and Allen protecting them from being run at from midfield.

It's also the first time that I can remember us having so many quality centre backs at the same time. If we are to kick on we need the same competition in midfield and up top.

Steve Brown
535 Posted 05/02/2021 at 11:11:46
Good interview with Josh King. He is determined to earn a longer-term deal. Looks like Carlo was a big factor in attracting him to the club.

"I could not turn down playing for Everton and learning from a manager like Carlo, who has won what he has and with his experience. He is a big, big name in football."

Thomas Richards
536 Posted 05/02/2021 at 11:28:46
"Give it, take it"
That wasnt for you. It was for your mate.

If you give it out dont come across all offended if you get it back

Watch the door doesnt smack your arse on the way out.

See you next week

David Cash
537 Posted 05/02/2021 at 11:53:13
Thomas. You were called out for lying earlier. You could have exonerated yourself by putting up an proof that you were'nt. you failed.

You have been called out again. You can exonerate yourself of the second accusation by putting up an example of where you were on the receiving end

I wont post again but I will check back in to see an example of were anybody has "given it out to you"
The fact that you haven't so far, would suggest you cant.

Btw: you do know it is ME who is offended by your nasty lies. Nobody else is complaining.


Thomas Richards
538 Posted 05/02/2021 at 11:57:21
That was a quick change of heart Casho
Graham Mockford
539 Posted 05/02/2021 at 12:51:06
Steve 538

You little tinker

Tony Hill
540 Posted 05/02/2021 at 12:52:21
Ancelotti confirms that Pickford won't play tomorrow. Also reinforces how surprised he is by Godfrey's qualities. Aren't we all?
Tony Abrahams
541 Posted 05/02/2021 at 13:07:48
Roman@530, I agree the players dropped the ball against Newcastle mate, and I thought Ancellotti called them out in the correct manner.

I’d say when Ancellotti questioned their spirit, (as reported in the press) I reckon privately he would also been questioning their intelligence, and asking the players why do they think they’ve been on a very good run in the first place?

Two things will make Everton successful imo, when the players really begin to understand themselves, and when everyone at the club are United, none of this players or manager, but everyone working together for the same goal Roman?

Brian Harrison
542 Posted 05/02/2021 at 13:08:20
Ancelotti just said in his press conference that Olsen plays against Man Utd, he said obviously players always like to play but he said that you are left out sometimes because of form and sometimes to rest players. He said that last twice we have played Utd we have lost so we will change some things tomorrow. No update on when Allan and Gbamin will be back in training, originally it was expected Allan would have been fit to play in the Utd game.
He said he has been really surprised by Godfrey and said he didnt know a lot about him before he signed so I guess this one is down to Brands.
Fran Mitchell
543 Posted 05/02/2021 at 13:21:27
Brian, I understood that Allan was back training today. G'Bamin still training on his own with no prediction. If we see G'Bamin this season, it will surely only be a few sub appearances here and there.

Was a good of press conference, again. He is very clear and speaks without bullshit, which is refreshing.

The key issue I saw was him saying "if we play like we did the last times, will will lose. We lost the last times we played them, so we must do something different, try something different"

He said there will be more changes. I am curious to what he'll do.

Utd are especially dangerous as a counter attacking team. And when Bruno Fernandes has space. Rashford and Shaw down their left is also an area where they can devastate teams.

Iwobi will probably play with that role of protecting the right side. I wonder if maybe Godfrey will move to there in place of Holgate. I'd be more confident with Godfrey Vs Rashford.

Doing a job on Fernandes/Pogba will also be vital. Expect Davies, Sigurdsson, and Doucoure.

I think we may see Richarlison rested for James also.

Will be interesting to see what Carlo's plan is.


David Pearl
544 Posted 05/02/2021 at 13:23:05
Good points Tony A.

Helps that DCL and now Mina and Keane are not so timid anymore. That comes from wanting to impress the manager, they have bigger balls this season. Of course having Godfrey helps too. Gomes is also starting to get the bit between his teeth again. The spirit of the blues. Someone should write a song about that.

John McFarlane Snr
545 Posted 05/02/2021 at 13:37:01
Hi Darren [517],

I'll begin by stating that the respect is mutual, and in an earlier post I said I admire your passion although I don't agree with all of your comments, and I would love to share a bottle of Guinness or two with you, although my doctor might frown on that.

I believe that we are both victims of misinterpretation: I wasn't seeking offence, I was merely seeking clarification of your statement. I, like many others, steer clear of the Live Forum, in my case because I'm at the match when Everton are at home, and listening to the game when they are away.

There have been many occasions when I have been disappointed with the performances but I don't single out players, I just shrug my shoulders and say "We weren't good enough."

ps: You're still on for that bottle of Guinness as long as you're paying, all the beast.

Danny O’Neill
546 Posted 05/02/2021 at 13:43:26
Also that the defenders definitely look more assured with Olsen behind them David. That has been really noticeable to me.

@Graham. As with any game for me, midfield holds the key. Especially with Fernandes. In his short time here he is beginning to look like one of those annoying players who particularly likes playing against Everton.

Hopefully we are becoming a different prospect.

Dave Abrahams
547 Posted 05/02/2021 at 13:53:32
I don’t think many premier league teams beat anther premier league team three times in one season, in the league game at Goodison Park we lost the first two goals because Mina and Keane were slack in their marking, very slack, don’t think Keane knew where he was for one of them. It will be very interesting to see Carlo ‘s team selection.
John McFarlane Snr
548 Posted 05/02/2021 at 13:54:25
Hi gain Darren, the 'Beast' word's not a description of you, it's just the result of an itchy finger.
David Hayes
549 Posted 05/02/2021 at 13:58:22
I don't believe we can match them toe to toe, sitting back and letting them play Infront of us and trying to hit on the break would be fatal. So play to our strengths. Win second balls firstly and force set plays and corners on them use the press intelligently and don't allow them any space. What BHA did to the RS a good example. COYB
Jay Wood

550 Posted 05/02/2021 at 13:59:13
Dave, @ 551 on the question of beating the same team 3 times in the same season, as a kid I always hated drawing a team in the cup we had already doubled in the league for that very reason. So on those grounds alone, I'm optimistic for tomorrow!

And sorry to correct you on the league defeat v United this season. The returning Holgate partnered Keane that day, not Mina. And it was Mason, more than Michael, who was all at sea. He looked well off the pace and didn't feature again for a number of games thereafter.

It was a game (or three) too soon for Mason. In truth, he hasn't got anywhere near the standards he played at last season and I would say Keane, Mina and Godfrey are all well ahead of him for a centre back starting slot.

Brian Murray
551 Posted 05/02/2021 at 14:08:16
We we need a Keane aka beckenbaur forty yard pass to Dcl and then him to be ready and ruthless against a slow maguire if we can expose him. Maybe a big if with their movement but Carlo plans for every opponent. Some would say fear or too much respect but he knows his stuff. Coyb. They are not on same planet as Man City.
Dave Abrahams
552 Posted 05/02/2021 at 14:08:23
Jay 554), didn’t realise Mina didn’t play, apologies, not apologising for Keane’s performance that day, he was definitely at fault for one of the goals not aware of where he was or what was going on around him, same as the other night when he came on, looking around in shock as the ball was going past into the penalty area, not aware of his surroundings, but I’ll let him off with that one, he hadn’t had time to get used to the pace of the game.
Paul A Smith
553 Posted 05/02/2021 at 14:12:20
John, Darren. Everything looks worse when written or typed.
With no tone to hear or expression to judge, it can seem like you are taking a beating for no great reason.

I don't think John Mc insults people purposely. Our ages come into account too and we all have different tolerance.

I try to convince myself that a person I am arguing with over the internet and never laid eyes on them could be the same person that saves your life or does something great.

That just about saves me from going all out rant and rave. 🤫😂

David Pearl
554 Posted 05/02/2021 at 14:41:29
Danny, l agree we are all calmer with Olsen in the sticks. Although l recon Pickford would of got down quicker for the Leeds goal.

Team formation can win the game Saturday. We all know that if Carlo changes too much it can take a few games for them to catch on. So will he keep the same 11? I doubt it. Not sure Holgate has been good enough to keep his spot, and Keane was surely rested for this game, along with James. I have a sneaky feeling Carlo may opt for 3 at the back, in Keane, Godfrey and Mina. Left obs Digne and right side l'm thinking Coleman over lwobi. Allan, if fit would be a big plus to partner Doucoure. Ahead of that l'm not too bothered as long as the foundation is right and balanced.

Anyway, it might be easy to tell l've just got the new FM21. After 9 games l'm in 3rd. So a lot like Carlo... only skint.

John McFarlane Snr
555 Posted 05/02/2021 at 14:59:47
Hi Paul [558] you are right when you say that the written word can be misconstrued, and face to face gives a better indication of what's actually being said and how it's being delivered. I tend to withdraw when things get a little heated or personal. I don't see any reason to take part in a slanging match, if I can't get my point across in at least two attempts, then I 'abandon ship' and although I don't know Darren I would like to meet him, I used to be as passionate as he is but I take the view that, like a marriage passion most often lessens with age but love persists, and feelings mellow. [I may be wrong]
Andy Crooks
556 Posted 05/02/2021 at 15:04:38
Roman @530, I was glad to see you back posting again as I liked reading your comments. I think you are wrong, though, I can't be 100% certain about any negativity against non British players, though I have never seen it.

What I am sure about is the absolutely zero negativity against Irish players. I have never made any secret of how much I enjoy Irish lads doing well at our club. In fact, back in the day, and Brendan McLaughlin and Cairàn McGlone will remember this, there was a ludicrous suggestion that ToffeeWeb was dominated by an " Irish Mafia".

Keep posting Roman, all life is on here.

Thomas Richards
557 Posted 05/02/2021 at 15:35:32

Our connection with Ireland is longstanding.
Seamus is the latest in a long line of Irish lads who have given great service to the club.


I'm not having the racist insinuations. I have never read anything on TW that could be deemed racist. As you have seen from the reaction, the eds would not allow that, and rightly so.

Brian Murray
558 Posted 05/02/2021 at 15:44:57
Darren if you are reading this your bucket list has to be buy John Mc Snr a pint of Black Gold when lockdown eases as we secure the title (added the last bit for effect).
Shane Corcoran
559 Posted 05/02/2021 at 15:46:22
Funny how Roman used Calvert-Lewin as his example of an English player that ToffeeWebbers love.

Many, including me, thought he'd amount to very little until this season.

Lukaku was brilliant. When a player is brilliant then him being a lazy sod makes it more infuriating regardless of his nationality, skin colour, hairstyle or views on the underground jazz scene.

Brendan McLaughlin
560 Posted 05/02/2021 at 16:04:50
Thanks for clearing that up, Andy #560.

I thought the accusation back in the day was that ToffeeWeb was being dominated by an "Irish Ma" Fia and couldn't understand why as I'd never come across any of her posts.

Danny O’Neill
561 Posted 05/02/2021 at 16:12:09
I don't care much for a player's nationality. I judge them as footballers. If anything, I have been critical of English and British players more than those from other countries due to my dismay at our grass roots and the standard it has produced in recent decades. Another debate and one we've had on here many a time.
Jeff Armstrong
562 Posted 05/02/2021 at 16:33:06
“Lukaku is hands down the best striker this club has had in about 25-30 years and majority of his mentions on here for his entire stay were negative. Some people are saying they'd rather have Calvert-Lewin... that boggles my brain.”

How is this thinly disguised racism?

Andy Crooks
563 Posted 05/02/2021 at 16:50:21
I like that post, Brendan. I have in-laws in Wicklow including a nanny Feidhelm. She might indeed have been the oul witch behind the MOB.

If she was ever to read this, I would be dead, by the way.

Kieran Kinsella
564 Posted 05/02/2021 at 17:05:09

"I've seen a large portion of the vocal fans rabidly support and defend underwhelming players – Hibbert being the prime example"

Are you serious? It's been a running joke on here for years that every week someone blames Hibbert for our problems as a jokey reminder of the days during his long career when he was absolutely slated every single week. Nobody every rabidly defended him.

At best, a minority of level-headed people might say things such as "he puts in a shift, he's a true Evertonian" etc. It was a matter of talking up for an unfortunate guy who was horribly treated by most.

Ciarán McGlone
565 Posted 05/02/2021 at 17:26:03

I do recall that... although I was a little more belligerent in those days..

However, anybody who has a go at St Tony Hibbert will have to answer to the Irish Mafia..

Danny O’Neill
566 Posted 05/02/2021 at 17:27:27
Hibbert did get a lot of stick Kieran as did Osman. We have form in this respect. Even Peter Reid, a lot of people's favourite of the 80s (one of mine but not "the") took a lot towards the end.

I think it might have been QPR at home some time around 88 or 89 where he ended up in confrontation with fans in the Paddock who were slating him.

John McFarlane Snr
567 Posted 05/02/2021 at 17:29:21
Hi Andy [559] as you rightly say Everton have signed numerous Irish players from both sides of the border, the earliest I can trace after a quick scan was Jack Kirwan born in Wicklow in 1879 and died in 1959. He joined Everton in July 1898 choosing Everton instead of Blackburn Rovers and replacing John Cameron [sold to spurs]. John Kirwan was an out and out winger with good pace and neat skills he made his debut for the Blues at Preston in September 1898. He had a fine season at Goodison before teaming up with Cameron at White Hart lane, helping Spurs to win the Southern League title in 1900, and an FA Cup winner the following year, he gained 17 caps for Ireland the first against Wales in February 1900 the last against Scotland in 1909.

Hi Jeff [566] from my seat in the Park End it was plain that Lukaku made numerous runs anticipating a forward pass that he could latch on to, I think that on occasion he gave up running, and they were the times that a forward pass was executed, I believe it's termed 'Sod's Law'.

Martin Mason
568 Posted 05/02/2021 at 17:29:32
Kieran, Hibbert was an excellent full-back defensively just a victim of the boo-boys. The boo-boys know everything though like Lukaku is hopeless and Calvert-Lewin Championship level at best. I pray for them.
Michael Kenrick
569 Posted 05/02/2021 at 17:31:13
Jeff @ 565,

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

That wasn't the racist bit.

Andrew Keatley
570 Posted 05/02/2021 at 17:33:09
Roman (530) - I think Michael’s response did a good job of rapping your knuckles but I just wanted to say that suspicions of casual racism are not best countered by casual allegations of racism.
Michael Kenrick
571 Posted 05/02/2021 at 17:43:25
And just to clear some other things up:

Hibbert was a stalwart servant of the club, good in defense on occasions, but little better than a journeyman overall. Those who expected better from their Everton players expressed as much.

Lukaku was a good striker but was also lazy and had behavioural traits that frustrated some Everton fans who expected better of their star players. Apparently, a similar thing happened when he got his dream move to Man Utd.

Calvert-Lewin has improved and is doing a better job at goal-poaching in the 6-yard box but is still missing far too many of the other chances that are created for him, mainly because he doesn't seem to know how to shoot. The Everton fans who expect him to do better are rightly expressing that opinion.

They're all Evertonians providing their own assessments of the players. Allways have, allways will.

Dave Abrahams
572 Posted 05/02/2021 at 17:46:20
John (570), he might have made those runs John, but there were plenty of times when the pass went elsewhere he would stop and point to his feet, indicating he wanted it there, one game versus Stoke City, when Del Boy had smashed three very inviting balls across the six yard box and got that response from Lukaku, early in the second half Del Boy put another cracking pass across the six yard box, no sign of the big fella, who indicated the same sign, put it to my feet, an exasperated Del Boy pointed to the six yard area plainly saying, in Spanish, get in the box you big lazy bar steward!!
Kieran Kinsella
573 Posted 05/02/2021 at 17:48:31
Roman again

"I do wonder how fans would feel about Moise Kean if he were British."

Anichebe was British, scored more goals for us than Kean and how was he treated? Andy Johnson "couldn't hit a barn door" became almost an addendum to his name on here.

Danny O’Neill
574 Posted 05/02/2021 at 17:54:12
Hibbert was a victim of the era he played in Martin.

A traditional defensive full back who would have looked great in some of Ancelotti's recent set ups dare I say.

At the time he played, the good teams were starting to succeed with overlapping attacking full backs. Hibbert was not that player so took stick for it.

But a very good right back and, as Michael says, a fine servant of Everton Football Club.

Kieran Kinsella
575 Posted 05/02/2021 at 18:00:12

I feel the same about JJK. He reminds me a lot of Gary Neville who won everything at Utd in the 90s. That being said, I think he could have success at Celtic in the current era

Darren Hind
576 Posted 05/02/2021 at 18:21:30
Johnny Mac

You are on for that bottle of Guinness

On one condition; You bring Dave A along. I promise I'll shut up and listen for a change.

Casho ?

An outraged "storm out" ? - Although I loved that the Gauntlet you threw down, before you went is still sitting on the table... True worth exposed

Anyway. Man United tomorrow,

Andrew Keatley
577 Posted 05/02/2021 at 18:36:09
Darren - Just wanted to comment on two consecutive sentences in your post at 517.

“My view is balanced. No other poster posts more positively than me on a pre-match thread.”

The first sentence is, frankly, subjective in the extreme. The second... well, I’m not sure how or why you continue to swing so regularly and proudly from pre-match optimism to post-match gloom. You claim your view is balanced - but your outlook seems anything but. I mean a horrible cynic might suggest that you deliberately post in your pre-match upbeat manner just to hedge your bets a bit in case... shock, horror, scandal... we actually play well and win. That way you can at least point to your pre-match post - where you might have even gone as far as to say that you’ve taken on the bookies such is your optimism - to indicate how you’ve successfully managed to sit on both sides of the fence simultaneously. Is that how you manage to achieve such great balance?

Andy Crooks
578 Posted 05/02/2021 at 18:44:48
Martin, I like your point. Here's a thing, though. I have sat appalled, at Irish football, North and South and have heard and I love the word, booboys. They are mad, demented fuckers. They go to the game and scream insane abuse at the guys on the pitch.
The only upside is that I hope it ends there, their venting is done. Sadly, though, I have seen the down side of it.
Andy Crooks
579 Posted 05/02/2021 at 19:04:46
Andrew, pre- match optimism to post patch gloom is the fate of Blues. I often disagree with Darren's stuff but I think you are attributing to him some sort of pre-planned agenda. I think that he posts some spur of the moment passionate bollocks. So do I.
Criticizing the team before kick off is putting your neck on the line. Fair play to those who do. As Ciaran McGlone pointed out,
the shit show against Newcastle made scrutiny of team selection in the next game fair comment.

Jamie Crowley
580 Posted 05/02/2021 at 19:10:32
For what it is worth, I found this to be one of the funnier comments on TW in my time here.

However, anybody who has a go at St Tony Hibbert will have to answer to the Irish Mafia..

Hibbo is a Demigod in my book.

Also, for what it's worth (this one probably not too much), back in the day when I started copious research into which Premier League team I should adopt, the Irish history of Liverpool, along with Everton having a long history of signing Irish players, was a major factor in me grabbing the knife, slicing my palm open, and letting the blood drip into a royal blue bowl.

The (debunked) assertion that due to signing these Irish players contributed to Everton as being the "Catholic" club also was something that, for me, factored into my decision.

All these historical things play a part in the identity of any team. Everton's history with Irish players, the city of Liverpool and the Irish immigrant population during the potato famine, paralleling the Irish influx in my USA, the stories recounted about how (generally) Evertonians never gave a shit about Catholic-Protestant leanings (read Dr. France's insanely fantastic book Everton Crazy), etc. They all add up to wonderful.

It's not my place to say, but if Everton ever started a show called "This is Us", the above I'd think would contribute very heavily to the content.

I will never, ever grow tired of Andy, Ciaran, Brendan, anyone, discussing the history of Everton and how the Irish influence is part of the "DNA". It's fascinating, and superb, all rolled into one package. The surnames associated with many TW comments, for this dumb Yank, aren't discernible from where they come - Liverpool, Dublin, Belfast, dare I say Boston ;0). Clearly there's some connection?

Sorry to bleat on, probably to no one. But this Everton dynamic is probably my favorite.

Anywho beat the Mancs.

Christy Ring
581 Posted 05/02/2021 at 19:11:01
Michael Kenrick there was a "couple " of comments said to me, which to say the least were vile, and I commented on it earlier in the season. I defended Seamus Coleman, and they made a laugh of my nationality. I won't mention names but they know who they are.
I'm a big fan of Keane, who has been outstanding, apart from his passing, he's also contributed goals. To say he defends too deep, I don't buy that, if he has weak midfielders ahead of him, who don't even tackle, it makes his job a lot harder. Mina has been the cause of a few goals, but I will say Godfrey has to stay at centreback, his pace, aggression and reading of the game is brilliant, after his midweek performance, he shall not be moved.
Thomas Richards
582 Posted 05/02/2021 at 19:17:52
Cant let it go can you, on and on and on.
Your perogative.

The gauntlet was more of a mitten to be honest.

John McFarlane Snr
583 Posted 05/02/2021 at 19:19:41
Hi Darren [579] I know that it's an expression usually used in relation to young ladies, but you have made an 'old man happy'. I can sleep soundly tonight, because it was never my intention to offend you. Regarding the get together I'm sure that Dave and many others would like to meet you, I'm of the opinion that the Darren we know from ToffeeWeb won't be the Darren we meet. I'll readily defy doctors orders for the occasion.
Dale Self
584 Posted 05/02/2021 at 19:24:20
Not at all Jamie, it is wonderful to see the generational love of Everton being passed on to the next like you've expressed. I think I'm gonna cry.
Roman Sidey
585 Posted 05/02/2021 at 19:41:46
Michael Kenrick, I've always respected and enjoyed how you moderated these threads and seemed to always share most of the same views as you. However, if you've missed the nationalistic sentiment in a number of posts over the years (obviously not all) then you're reading things differently to me.

I stand by my previous Moise Kean comment, too. The vitriol he got from some posters from his first match to his last was far worse than I've seen for most new, young players. I do believe he were British then fans would have given him more time. If that upsets some people then they might need to take a look within themselves.

My "aren't Everton enough" was a composite sentiment you seem to get from a group of posters. In the modern game players are mostly mercenaries who will play for the highest bidder. Expecting players to be blindly loyal to the club just because we are only sets you up for disappointment.

Apologies if my comments upset, but it's honestly how I feel and I've loved commenting on ToffeeWeb for the better part of a decade now and I felt like bringing it up.

Jeff Armstrong
586 Posted 05/02/2021 at 19:43:42
Michael 572,

yes I know.
John McFarlane Snr
587 Posted 05/02/2021 at 19:49:51
HI Danny [577] I can't recall the number of times I heard the expression, "Hibbert's alright as a defender but he can't cross the ball". To me that's like saying, "Pat Nevin's alright on the wing but he can't tackle". To tell the truth, if I was the manager I'd be inclined to say to Nevin, "Play as near to the penalty area as you can, I mean their penalty area not ours"

Darren Hind
588 Posted 05/02/2021 at 19:51:35

Look forward to it John. Hope I don't disappoint,

BTW.; Theres Some weight in that mitten lol.

Kieran Kinsella
589 Posted 05/02/2021 at 20:01:31
Christy 584,

Sorry to hear that mate. I think most on here are decent folk. I remember a young lad from Nigeria posted on here some time back about how he became an Everton fan after Amo, Yak, Yobo etc and everyone who commented thought that was great and welcomed him to the fold. But sadly there will always be the odd w@nker who decides to get nasty.

Danny O’Neill
590 Posted 05/02/2021 at 20:04:11
I remember that shout about Hibbert too John. He couldn't cross but he could defend. A more traditional full back than those in the game he was being compared to.

Pat Nevin, now there was a tricky player. Not the best but at times good to watch. I agree with you, maybe better in and around the box than stuck out on the wing? A number 10 before we called them that? In those days, if lightweight, you got put out wide put of danger.

Good to see you back on here by the way.

Rob Dolby
591 Posted 05/02/2021 at 20:04:12
Roman - If Moise Kean was British and from our academy he wouldn't be anywhere near our first team.

He has been played more due to his price tag not his colour.

The lad obviously has talent but the premier league looked far too demanding for the young man.

Fingers crossed he comes back more prepared for the rigours of the premiership as the blues need more quality competition up top.

John McFarlane Snr
592 Posted 05/02/2021 at 20:12:21
Hi Dany [593] it's good to be back this self isolation/hibernation, is doing my head in.
Paul A Smith
593 Posted 05/02/2021 at 20:38:27
John Mc I agree supporting Everton definately has some parlellels with marriage or relationships in mine and many other cases.

We have often unperformed like Everton many a time and sometimes I think theres not enough subs in the game..joking

She does have me singing the blues sometimes.

In terms of isolation, you just look after yourself John and keep posting your civilised views. Its not easy stuck at home and I have found ToffeeWeb and its posters to be a little entertaining over the last few weeks.

John McFarlane Snr
594 Posted 05/02/2021 at 20:55:51
Hi Paul [596] thank you for your post, I'm fortunate because my 'Young Lady' used to be a season ticket holder in the 80s and she watches all the games. Before I lifted my self imposed ban on live TV games, she would watch them while I went upstairs and listened to them. She played a major part in my lifting the ban, and as for looking after myself, I leave her to do that, it's something she has done splendidly for a month short of 58 years.
Thomas Richards
595 Posted 05/02/2021 at 21:18:28
On and on and on...

Embarrasing bigging up of the "weight in the mitten".

Roman Sidey
596 Posted 05/02/2021 at 21:50:01
Rob, while I respectfully disagree that he wouldn't be near our first team, I have to defend myself inasmuch as I haven't and wouldn't bring colour into it. I've not used the word race/racism once because I absolutely don't believe I've ever read a truly racist comment on these threads. I know nationalism and racism can be very similar but they aren't the same.
Brendan McLaughlin
597 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:00:20
Thomas #598,

If the mitten doesn't fit... don't put it on.

Not sure which side I'm antagonising or supporting,.. not even sure there's a side (hope not) just a quote from Darren Hind that strikes a chord and a good one.

Andy Crooks
598 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:00:31
Jamie@ 582, names are indeed strange. Mine is as un Irish as you can get. In fact back in the day, when this site was for real men (just kidding, MK and Lyndon) someone asked Andy Crooks?? what fucking part of Tipperary do you come from?

Ah, the good old days!

Paul A Smith
599 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:06:28
Sounds very amicable, John, good stuff mate. Sounds like you have a good Toffeegirl there.
Jamie Crowley
600 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:11:05
Names are indeed strange, Andy.

Just going back over some recent posts here, and I know they're not all on the Emerald Isle:

McLaughlin, Crowley, McFarlane, O'Neill, Keatley, Corcoran, Molloy, Hartley, and on and on it goes. To my untrained eye, and though I know it's not accurate, that's a lot of Irishmen!

Then there's Crooks from Tipperary. 😂

Alan McGuffog
601 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:11:17
John Mac... Bertrand Russell was a so-so philosopher but he knew feck-all about the transmission in a Fiesta.
Neil Copeland
602 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:17:44
Alan #604, neither do Ford.
Brendan McLaughlin
603 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:18:05
Aw Andy #601
The day you were called a Moyes apologist...every time I see you post it still makes me laugh even after such a long time. That on it's own was well worth joining ToffeeWeb for. there's a thread there for someone more articulate than me!
John McFarlane Snr
604 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:19:18
Hi Alan [604],

I'm afraid that you'll have to translate that for me, I'm completely baffled by it. I appreciate it may leave me with egg on my face, but I feel that I really have to know if it's a compliment or otherwise.

Danny O’Neill
605 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:24:08
I always describe myself as a British Isles (Geographical Term) mongrel Jamie. Second generation Liverpool Irish on the paternal side, Belfast grandfather and Glasgow Grandmother on the maternal. Not from the Emerald Isle but Celtic roots!
Alan McGuffog
606 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:24:36
No, no, John, I was agreeing with the points you and Danny were making re Tony Hibbert and Pat Nevin. Albeit my comments may have been tempered by a dram or two of Tamnavulin.
John McFarlane Snr
607 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:32:14
Hi again, Alan,

I thought for a while that I would have to stand on the naughty step, and I didn't know what I had done wrong. I'm just slipping out of panic mode.

Alan McGuffog
608 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:46:55
John, I always had a healthy regard for Tony Hibbert. I'm always a wee bit irritated by some of the sludge that is directed at him. To me, he was a solid if unspectacular right-back who seldom let us down.

And just as he may not have been the greatest crosser of the ball, then although Russell was not much cop dealing with the gearbox on a small family Ford, he couldn't half explain the existence of God.

Every man to his trade.

Cheers, bud!

Thomas Richards
609 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:49:58

It worked for OJ Simpson.

Brendan McLaughlin
610 Posted 05/02/2021 at 22:56:06
Hi Thomas #612,

You're a much better man... don't claim that defence.

Thomas Richards
611 Posted 05/02/2021 at 23:03:51
Very kind of you to say so, Brendan.


Michael Kenrick
612 Posted 05/02/2021 at 23:04:52

I wouldn't have much argument with you over your views on football matters, as you say.

What concerned me was this: There are views expressed by other fans on Romelu Lukaku and Moise Kean that you don't agree with and cannot accept. This leads you to claim that those views are driven not by a fair assessment made on their abilities but are determined instead by the player's national origins.

And you don't see a problem making that accusation?

Brent Stephens
613 Posted 05/02/2021 at 23:08:33
Brendan you called it right. He’s a much better man.
Brendan McLaughlin
614 Posted 05/02/2021 at 23:13:17

Go raibh maith agat (you're welcome).

Hope I haven't crossed a line I didn't see.

Thomas Richards
615 Posted 05/02/2021 at 23:13:23

Thanks Brent.

Thomas Richards
616 Posted 05/02/2021 at 23:18:27

Go raibgh maith agat. Thanks, buddy, I will keep that one on my phone to use.

Sorry mate?

Brendan McLaughlin
617 Posted 05/02/2021 at 23:50:39
Hi Thomas

Nice gaelige... only meant I hoped I wasn't offending you by bringing in the OJ Simson reference

Kieran Kinsella
618 Posted 06/02/2021 at 00:17:54
Jamie, Alan, and Brendan

Funny thing is, my Celtic supporting Scottish cousins hated Everton in the 90s. After we sent Steven and Stevens up north; then brought in Smith, Spencer, Durrant, Ferguson; Cleland and Gough, he viewed Everton as the English Rangers.

It goes to show that, after almost 150 years, we're a broad enough club that people from Glasgow, Ireland, Nigeria, USA, Australia, Russia, Belgium and wherever can identify with the club through different individuals and eras.

Danny O’Neill
619 Posted 06/02/2021 at 00:47:21
Interesting, Kieran. I will let others contribute but, in my 80s childhood, we generally wore half-Everton, half-Celtic hats although my best mate who lived next door wore an Everton-Rangers one that counters that view. But I think we were more Celtic?

Always an interesting debate. I don't think you can align Everton and Liverpool to Celtic and Rangers as many try to.

I come from the south of the city where I always felt it was more red whereas Everton's heartland was in the north. Liverpool, although similar to Glasgow, was never as sectarian or divided. We have always been a beacon of how to disagree but get on. Just look at this site!!

Back to your point, personally, I always felt Everton connected more with Celtic than Rangers. That did get skewed in the 90s because of Walter Smith and Duncan Ferguson. And I would add the obvious; both play in blue, which outsiders pick up on.

Many try to link the Merseyside clubs with Glasgow but, in my opinion, it isn't a straight match. They are divided by religion; we are not. Celtic sing "You'll Never Walk Alone" but also "It's A Grand Old Team".

Personally, I'm Celtic but as much as people have always tried to compare the Liverpool clubs to Glasgow, you can't.

And besides, we're Everton. No club compares.

Steve Brown
620 Posted 06/02/2021 at 01:50:12
Andy @ 582, I never post comments on the line-up before the games because I got it wrong so often!

Now I limit myself to streams of invective on the WhatsApp group I have with my sons whenever the names Pickford and Sigurdsson appear in the team. Makes 'em laugh to have their old man going mental.

Steve Brown
621 Posted 06/02/2021 at 01:52:01
Graham @ 542, couldn't resist. :)
Graham Mockford
622 Posted 06/02/2021 at 02:51:46
I actually thought hard and long before posting this because I realise it is a sensitive subject and especially seeing the reaction Roman received for his post but the black players are lazy is a thing.

Let’s be clear I’m not accusing anyone of being racist I’m just pointing out there are cultural and racial stereotypes at play

Have a read, agree or disagree but have a think


Darren Hind
623 Posted 06/02/2021 at 07:43:11

The Gaunlet was downsized to a mitten in one guy's mind because it was far too big for him to pick up. let alone try it on.

The Gauntlet, or Gauntlets on this occasion, being a very public invitation to a poster to prove he wasn't lying through his teeth. Gauntlet, Mitten... who cares? A bottle job, is a bottle job.

I'm sorry my old mate has decided to exit these pages, not just because he is smarter than your average bear, but because even though he is as big a Carlo apologist as I have met, he would always feel protective and dive in to even up the numbers. He's become a sensitive soul since he left Scottie and Liverpool lol. He's better of out of it.

He still had far too much for Tom (Pepper) Richards though and left with a Game, Set and Match in his arse pocket.

Thomas Richards
624 Posted 06/02/2021 at 08:44:07
On and on and on.


Have you got any gauntlets of your own?

Or do you always rely on your mates to try to bail you out?

An OAP shit-stirrer.

Very rare thing.

Christy Ring
625 Posted 06/02/2021 at 09:54:54
Danny #622,

I remember back in the '70s & '80s, after the Everton result, you'd always look for the Celtic result. Even back to the '60s, Everton were always seen as the Catholic Irish club; I know things have changed since.

Jamie Cowley #583, loved your comment.

Andy Crooks definitely not a Tipperary name. I do question you when you say you were appalled by the football in the south? I never saw anything bad. I remember being at Lansdowne Road for the World Cup qualifier against Northern Ireland, and the abuse we got was shocking.

I was also behind the goal against England when they started ripping out the seats and throwning them at us, the game was abandoned, even Big Jack had a go at them. Our supporters were respected all over the world.

Danny O’Neill
626 Posted 06/02/2021 at 10:23:50
Christy, probably because of my roots, I've never really followed the international football thing and don't connect with England. Once again, I stereotype, but I despise the fan culture that wraps itself around the England national team. It has a nasty sinister side to it that is influenced by the London / south east football supporter in my opinion.

I say that living amongst them these days. It is not a nice experience watching a game of football amongst them in a pub on a Saturday afternoon. And when it's Everton, even worse. Many a time I have been threatened and approached for being guilty of nothing other than supporting my team. As for when England play, I just can't stomach it. Still singing songs about bombing Germans and the not surrendering to the IRA. Honestly.

It makes me realise what an educated footballing fan base we have. These pages demonstrate that; both those I agree with and those I often don't.

I said I was stereotyping and there are good / bad apples in every batch, but as a collective, we are streets ahead and that is not even me being biassed.

Gavin McGarvey
627 Posted 06/02/2021 at 10:23:51
Good post, Graham

That's an interesting read.

Growing up in the '70s and '80s, racism was very overt and I suppose straightforward in a way that it isn't now. Times have moved on and things are different and, while I find the concept of micro-aggressions etc... a bit overwhelming, I do think that it's not enough to say Ron Atkinson's not on the telly so everything must be okay.

Like with lots of things, I guess that recognising there's a problem is the first step in solving it. Is the way we talk about Dominic Calvert-Lewin different from the way we'd talk about him if his skin was a different colour? Do we have a more positive attitude to Seamus Coleman because he's Irish? Was the way commentators used to bang on about his fee, a way to diminish him? If we're honest, these are difficult questions to answer.

On a more positive note, that the debate on racism has moved on is a good thing. Hopefully, it will be a thing of the past within our lifetimes.

Regarding Lukaku, I was always a big fan, so naturally resented any criticism of him. Moise Kean was a bit inexperienced to make the transition to the Premier League. Perhaps, he wasn't suited to the physical side of it. At the time, it didn't seem like a move that had been particularly well planned. In general, there seem to have been a lot of haphazard signings over the last few years although it seems to be settling down now.

Has the treatment in these comment threads of these players been influenced by their skin colour or nationality? It probably has. The science seems to suggest that we as human beings operate with a degree of unconscious bias. Does that mean that behind each of the keyboards of those typing comments questioning Lukaku's work-rate, there is a hooded white figure? Obviously not. Should we examine our views for bias? It's probably not the worst idea in the world.

Martin Mason
628 Posted 06/02/2021 at 10:24:38
Andrew @580,

You notice the problem that I see with Darren's philosophy: most of his posts are riddled with this. My main problem though is that he is condescending to other Evertonians based on what seems to be a feeling of superior knowledge that he identifies with extremist negativity to differentiate himself from the fictitious happy clappers.

Being condescending, like being irrationally negative, though, is a character fault – not a sign of reason. Darren needs to take the difficult step of realising that he is no different to all other fans; nobody accepts that much of the play that we see is acceptable, everybody wants to see better. Darren accepts this play as much as we all do because, as fans, we can't influence what the club serves up.

I have nothing against Darren personally and I apologise for personalising a couple of posts. I will do my best to stop doing this.

Andy Crooks
629 Posted 06/02/2021 at 11:55:12
Christy, I think my wording was poor. I wasnt appalled at the football but at the fact that I so often was sat near some loon who screamed abuse at his own players for ninety minutes. Also, you are spot on about the regard Irish supporters are held in throughout the world.
My late father- in law went to Sligo to see Crusaders and was treated with incredible warmth and kindness, remaining in contact with friends he made for the rest of his life. Proper supporters and football men.
Jamie Crowley
630 Posted 06/02/2021 at 15:12:46
Just a quick aside. I reject the notion (with ZERO malice I must add) that black players are lazy.

I give you one name to chew on: Dimitar Berbatov. Laziest fucking footballer ever, stupid talent. "White" fella.

And I could name 100 black players who run their socks off.

It's a player-by-player dynamic. It has nothing to due with pigmentation, and everything to do with heart, desire, motivation, and dare I say how a kid was raised.

File under stereotype, one that is long dead, thank God.

Graham - I've not read that article but will later. If my comments aren't in context, I apologize.

Graham Mockford
631 Posted 06/02/2021 at 15:32:31
No Jamie

What the article points to is research that black athletes are much more frequently talked of in terms of physical attributes as opposed to white athletes.

Lazy tends to be attributed to black players much more readily. Another example not in the article is describing a player as a beast.
Again there will be examples where it will be applied to white footballers it’s just not as common.

People using such phrases are not being directly racist as Gavin in 630 quite eloquently describes but there undoubtedly stereotypes at play.

Jamie Crowley
632 Posted 06/02/2021 at 15:49:20
Graham - TY

As I mentioned I’ll read the article later, but I’ve never been so happy or relieved from a clarification!

Dale Self
633 Posted 06/02/2021 at 16:09:29
The courage of your posts is admirable Graham. Thoughtful and considerate, well done
Darren Hind
634 Posted 06/02/2021 at 16:48:29
Tom Pepper Richards

I love that somebody who pursues my posts around every thread desperately seeking a response and looking for support from others can come up with a pathetic whining claim... Three short post reminding that you that you were still bottling the invitation to prove you are not a serial porkie teller...an obsession ??? Haha from the fella who regularly posts between 50-100 times patrolling the match day threads like a guard dog ?

When it was pointed out by Casho that you hide in a crowd. it was just another fact delivered to you with pin point accuracy. The way you unraveled while having to go it alone demonstrates that you cant handle even the tiniest taste of your own medicine.

Dont worry. I can see how desperate you are for this to be put to bed, so I wont be revisiting this point again.
Unfortunately You made the mistake of crossing swords with somebody not prepared to ignore you constant haranguing like I do. You were weighed, you were measured and you were found wanting.

Feel free to go back and attack from within the safety of the pack..and I'll go back to ignoring you

Thomas Richards
635 Posted 06/02/2021 at 16:53:37
Pack it in or i will get me mate


Number one

Thomas Richards
636 Posted 06/02/2021 at 18:56:15
I should expand on the term "khasi" for those not sure.
It is a scouse term for a coward.
Darren Hind
637 Posted 06/02/2021 at 21:35:49
Thomas Richards
638 Posted 06/02/2021 at 22:03:36

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