The Hypocrisy of Ignorant Pundits

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As the 237th Merseyside derby ends in a 2-2 stalemate, the outcry over the Van Dijk – Jordon Pickford incident is as media-biased as you can find. It is also bizarre (or maybe not) that the idiots who make an easy living talking rubbish as so-called pundits have such a lack of knowledge of the game.

Let's get straight to it: football is a contact sport and, as such, injuries happen. So a bad foul by Jordon Pickford injures Virgil van Dijk... these things happen. Yet, from the garbage spouted by pundits – Sherear, Wright, Souness, Murphy, Bosnic, Cahill, Osman and many more – you would think Pickford actually tried to commit cold-blooded murder.

In the first 2 minutes of the game, Van Dijk flattened James Rodriques twice, acting the hard man. These fouls were premeditated to show that he was the “boss”. Not as serious as Pickford’s foul but premeditated and meant to “leave a bit “ on James.

So, a few minutes later Van Dijk is hurt by, it has to be said, a bad tackle from the Blues goalkeeper. Cue “red card” cries from the pundits who all claim Pickford was endangering an opponent. Let's put these big mouths right: the whistle had already been blown for an offside against Liverpool before the coming together of Pickford and Van Dijk.

So now the referee has to determine if Jordan’s tackle was seriously endangering an opponent or just foul play? It was decided that it was just foul play. This was the right decision, as Pickford had no intention to endanger Van Dijk, he was honestly trying to win or block the ball, so it is foul play, not endangering an opponent.

As Pickford’s foul is not deemed to be endangering an opponent, and as offside had been given before the foul, VAR cannot review the clash. They are the rules, so the nonsense spouted by the pundits can go on and on till the cows come home. They can call for VAR to review the incident and give Pickford a red until the end of time, it cannot be reviewed by VAR, and was not deemed endangering an opponent; end of story.

Now let's contrast this with our friend Son from Tottenham Hotspur. You can watch his supposed tackle on André Gomes last December a thousand times, it is clear that Son has no intention to win the ball – he just hacked down André Gomes from behind.

Yet, on this occasion, our media pundits to a person all came out saying the red card given to Son was not justified. Led by, it has to be said, an exceptional propaganda campaign by Tottenham Hotspur, the media frenzy over "he is not that sort of player" was such that his red card was actually overturned.

It seems that there is one rule for Son and a different one for Pickford, in the mind of the pundits and the tearful kopites who are now all praying at the shrine of their sanctified centre-back for a quick recovery.

We don’t have to go back into the not too distant past of derbies (Gerrard, Kyut etc) to know that, in these games, tensions rise and tackles are hard, which Van Dijk himself made clear to James Rodrigues in the first couple of minutes.

No-one wants any player to have a serious injury, but I don’t lose any sleep when it is one of their players. It is a contact sport, not a sport made to protect the likes of Son and Van Dijk.

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Steve Shave
2 Posted 20/10/2020 at 07:37:11
I concur fully with your views Martin, it's an absolute outrage and the more it rumbles on the madder I'm getting about it! It's an absolute joke really.
Eddie Dunn
3 Posted 20/10/2020 at 07:53:16
Martin, you summarise it very well. I may add that I heard Murphy along with the former Palace chairman(who is the biggest know-all on the planet) grumbling yesterday morning on Talkshite. Murphy has always been against VAR, so used it's non-intervention as more evidence for it's uselessness.
Later in the afternoon I briefly put on Hawksby and Jacobs (usually a little more highbrow and lighter in tone) only to heat the Chelsea and Spurs-supporting double act both calling for action.
Evidence that followers of the Big 6 are very worried about us.
The whole episode propells me to get behind Jordan, as it seems that the previous campaign to oust him from his international place has now moved up a couple of notches and there is a mob of pitchfork carrying media whores chasing him down the road.
I think he is an easy target and in this age of outrage the lazy pundit has a scapegoat to display self-righteous morality with only the odd phrase like "I don't suppose he meant to do his cruciate" to counter the demand for vengeance.
Alan J Thompson
4 Posted 20/10/2020 at 08:13:34
Either all clubs are encouraged to ask for an after-match review of incidents or it is left at the decision made on the park or VAR at the time. I prefer the second option but TV commentators have to be popular, and/or controversial, in order to keep their well paid TV jobs, it's the ratings that lift the cost of advertising.
Phil Greenough
5 Posted 20/10/2020 at 08:17:47
This media witch hunt will continue until Everton grow a pair and stop bending over for the Press and FA. Sod being humble and taking the moral high ground and give back as good as you get!

Everton haven't defended Pickford once through this debacle, some may say it's indefensible, but I'd have to disagree. Why aren't they showing the alternative picture from a different angle, which shows two players just just going for the ball?

Karl Masters
6 Posted 20/10/2020 at 08:22:40
That’s it in a nutshell.

These cretinous Liverpool fans and idiots in the media. What if Van Dijk’s outstretched boot had caught Pickford and done his ACL? Would they call for Van Dijk to be banned? Of course not. And rightly so. Both players went for the ball and unfortunately sometimes the collisions cause injuries.

There’s been a media witch hunt on Pickford for about a year now to get him out of the England team. He’s brought a bit of it on himself with rash behaviour, but as someone who is still very young for a top class goalkeeper you’d like to think that will improve with time.

He needs to learn from this. If it had been say De Gea making that challenge with the same result, this would not be happening because the media think De Gea is calm and experienced, whilst Pickford is rash and unpredictable. All about perceptions.

Tony Abrahams
7 Posted 20/10/2020 at 08:32:46
VAR doesn’t make the decisions, the decision is still made by refs or VAR refs.

Let the refs tell us why they made certain decisions, let the VAR refs tell us why they made certain decisions, and let’s get rid of the pandering circus, which is very few ex-players telling it like it really is.

All these people on the panels, why aren’t they coaching? Some have tried and failed, (nothing wrong with that) so now get paid a fortune to educate us?

The man in the studio has got one very big thing in common with referees. They change like the weather, they are full of inconsistency, and definitely favour certain teams.

The public have lapped it up, took every decision that goes their way with a smile and a shrug of the shoulder, and only moan when things don’t go their way.

I’d be outraged if I was a Liverpudlian, but it’s not really about them crying c**ts. It’s about the game we all love, a game that is all over the place because it’s allowed to much cheating to slowly creep into the game, and these phoneys in the studios have been more responsible than anyone for this (imo)

Jim Bennings
8 Posted 20/10/2020 at 08:34:12
Did Pickford and Richarlison do anything?
It wasn't them in was the newspaper, no no it was the Italians, Picky and Richie were only having a laugh.

Thats what Kopites would say when one of their minions does something.

It's laughable really when these kinds of cries come from them, the crime sheet they have over the years, it's like the Yorkshire Ripper pleading innocence.

Did Gerrard apologise for the numerous "assaults" on Everton players?

Did Suarez get taken to book for taking his studs down Kevin Mirallas Achilles because Mirallas was tearing Andre Wisdom a new arse hole in the first half that day?

Did McMahon (who admitted trying to "do" John Ebbrell" ) in 1991 ever get a court appearance?

Kung Fu Kuyt flies through the air but hey ho he's a nice guy he doesn't do stuff like that we were just imagining it.

Even Saturday what was made of that odious little shit house Robertson trying to disable Allan from behind, any other day it's a red card?

My wish for the next derby is someone takes that rat womble Robertson down.

The media are just scared to criticize Liverpool fans, they are all still walking on eggshells because Kopites are that easily offended by everything since you know when.

Biggest gobshites ever in the media now anyway, Keown should be in the Bates Motel, the fuckin Norman Bates doppelganger.

McManawoman talks shite, probably still sore he never signed for his boyhood club in 2003 when Moyes only offered him a shit contract.

As for the rest... irrelevant nobodies really aren't they?

The injury to Van Dijk, slow it down both players are going in studs raised, both could have been injured bad, or both could have walked away unharmed.
Yes it was a stupid way to go in from Pickford but there's no intent to injury the player, I was more concerned he'd given the penalty away.

20 years ago this isn't even talked about after Saturday but because we live in a society now where even if you buy a different box of teabags it's scrutinized by the FBI, we'll never hear the last of it.

Jim Bennings
9 Posted 20/10/2020 at 08:42:23
I'd actually like to see a club official at Everton compile photographic evidence of all Liverpool players disgraceful tackles in Merseyside derbies over the years then sell each and every one to the newspapers and very media outlet there is, then finally send them to the F.A.

Let's see if we can get old crimes brought back to life then of they want to go down that road.

John Keating
10 Posted 20/10/2020 at 08:53:50
There will be a decision in coming games that will be similar to the derby’s
Let’s bide our time until then and ask for similar media coverage
It will never happen
The one that made me laugh the most was Souness-he reminds me of Mr Ed, on Harry Enfield, dead but talks.
The dirtiest bastard going, should have signed for Revie.
Michael Coffey
12 Posted 20/10/2020 at 09:00:06
Why don't the BBC go the whole hog and turn the matter over to their health correspondent for daily bulletins from the bedside of St. Virgil?

Hold on to your hats, but I don't put it beyond Henry to launch a legal case against Pickford.

Chris Leyland
13 Posted 20/10/2020 at 09:01:02
As a club we need to grow a pair - we shoud be contacting whoever is in charge of match officials with a statement along the lines of:

Everton Football club fully endorses Liverpool Football Club’s call for a review of a range of decisions in the Merseyside Derby of 17th October 2020. To help with this, the club has provided a short film of a number of incidents that were apparently missed by the onfield match officials and the VAR officials on the day.
These are:
Trent Alexander Arnold’s tug on the shirt of Richarlison which unbalanced the Everton player and caused his shot to hit the post. Denying an opponent a goal scoring opportunity is a red cad offence.
Andrew Robertson’s kick on Allan which lucky did not cause a serious injury but nevertheless was serious foul play, also a red card offence.
Saido Mane’s off the ball deliberate trip of Mina. Mr Mane had already been booked by the referee before this incident and therefore should also have been sent from the field of play.
We know that Liverpool FC, with their desire to see that fair play is adhered to at all times and keenness to have incidents reviewed after matches have been completed, will fully support us in ensuring that these three incidents are therefore retrospectively reviewed and appropriate retrospective action taken.

Paul Rimmer
14 Posted 20/10/2020 at 09:05:31
Saw that DCL was in Garth Crooks team of the week and clicked on the link to see what he'd say. As I scrolled down, Henderson was in it but all I read about was how VAR was inaccurate. Thiago was in there - started with a rant about Pickford rather than anything about him. Then to DCL which started with how bad both goalkeepers were. Now Garth usually trots some rubbish but this is media bias to fan the embers. I'm reminded of the Morrissey song "we hate it when our friends become successful".
Tony McNulty
15 Posted 20/10/2020 at 09:37:28
John (10),

The comments of Souness put you in mind of Mr. Ed.

I was reminded of Herod called in as a consultant on suitable arrangements for a creche.

The veil of impudent hypocrisy has never seemed more transparent.

Jim Bennings
16 Posted 20/10/2020 at 09:44:39
I'm waiting for the latest BBC government ad.

Chris Witty..

This is a special government announcement, we can't stress enough the importance of bending over backwards to appease Liverpool FC and it's fans, we beg you, keep them happy, give their players social distance to do what they like, if they kick you it's just fun, if you kick them it's a serious offence, you must not do it!

Derek Thomas
17 Posted 20/10/2020 at 09:47:58
I think the Club and many(?) of the supporters think defending yourself, kicking up a fuss is all a bit infra dig...not the sort of thing we do old chap, never complain, never explain etc., leave that sort of thing to the kopites

I'm a bit that way myself to be honest, but enough is enough and the unoppossed rs media bandwagon, that started with the very first MotD keeps gaining momentum and somebody has to start taking them to task over the absolute bollocks their tame media whores trot out.

Over to you Everton - No More Mr Nice Guy, no more putting up with condecending head-pattery.
Relying on a dignified silence to peak volumes for you is not working.
All the neutrals think is - cat got your tongue then, nothing to say?
As was mentioned above...
Perception

Dave Abrahams
18 Posted 20/10/2020 at 10:00:41
I think the clubs should get together and vote on VAR, whether they want it to continue in premier league games or not. To me it stinks and is still in the hands of referees so the same bias of the past is still there, I imagine if football fans had the same vote it would be voted out by a large majority.
Brian Harrison
19 Posted 20/10/2020 at 10:00:52
I think the reaction of Carlo Ancelotti and the club to say very little is the right approach, as whatever they say will not placate or change the minds of anybody, so keep quiet and next week the talk will be about something else.
I think the reason this has caused such a stir is according to all the pundits is VVD is so important to the other lot as their record of results without him show, they like Carragher they will lose many more games without him. Had it been any other of their players you wouldn't have heard half the fuss.

I do think while agreeing VVD is a good defender, best in the world? I didnt hear this phrase when he was at Celtic or Southampton why not.

So let us on T/W move on to more important subjects like who comes in for Richarlison for the next 3 games.

Stan Schofield
20 Posted 20/10/2020 at 10:10:15
Derek@17: Perhaps the reason for relative silence is the reality of what happens when you respond as you suggest. In a formal sense, Everton don't need to respond, because the official decisions are in our favour.

The other side are merely throwing a massive tantrum, like a very spoilt child. In that kind of situation, you let them exhaust themselves, and you simply carry on undeterred from your task. Tantrums require energy, and are not sustainable. The current massive tantrum will naturally ebb very soon, but the decisions that are in Everton's favour will not change. The other side are frustrated, whilst Everton are not.

Often, the greatest impact arises from silence. The cleverest strategy for engagement is not to engage. Engage when deemed necessary, otherwise do nothing. It's very powerful.

Len Hawkins
21 Posted 20/10/2020 at 10:11:54
Not a conspiracy theorist but I hope beyond hope that the two clubs who tried to take over the Premier League and choose who will play in it are now being made to pay for their total disdain for every other football club in this Country who's dream is playing in the Prem.
Brian Harrison
22 Posted 20/10/2020 at 10:18:51
Dave 18

While VAR they way its being interpreted is ruining the game, you hit the nail on the head its not necessary that VAR is the problem but the inept referees who are administering it. We were told it was brought in to correct any clear and obvious mistakes, not to determine red cards or minute offsides, but these referees have now taken over every aspect of decision making, thats not what this was brought in for.

This games has been going for hundreds of years, yet for the last 20 years we have had officials ie refs making up new rules every season why? Did the offside rule need changing no it worked perfectly well and more importantly players and fans understood the rule. Seems the equivalent of VAR works perfectly in other sports with no fans objecting whether its cricket, rugby or tennis, maybe because they havent changed the rules just let VAR or Hawkeye help officials get the decision right. You know when the likes of David Elleray an ex Eton schoolmaster is in charge then you have got problems, he was a pompous ass when he refereed games like so many are these days, like Mason, Moss and many others. We would be far better having a panel of 5 ex players deciding what the rules should be and in what instances VAR should be used.

Andrew Ellams
23 Posted 20/10/2020 at 10:27:06
This summer the international cricket matches held in England had to use domestic match officials due to COVID restrictions. One of the off field match referees (in charge of player discipline and fair play rather than the match itself) was the father of one of the England players and fined his own son for an on field outburst.

Could you imagine the chaos in football if officials that close to one team or another were allowed to stand in matches. Mike Dean is bad enough.

Rob Dolby
24 Posted 20/10/2020 at 10:27:19
I hope we get fairly treated by the refs over the next few games. This witch hunt is a joke.

Pickford has taken over from the life threatening Covid epidemic on local news sites. What is wrong with people.

Eddie Dunn
25 Posted 20/10/2020 at 10:29:26
Stan, the one fall-out from the concerted effort of the red media could be the pressure refs feel to put the record straight regarding EFC and Pickford in particular. If the feller comes flying out of his blocks and merely flicks the knicker elastic of an opponent then heaven help him.
Steve Carse
26 Posted 20/10/2020 at 10:47:59
Just looked at a Youtube piece of Dermot Gallacher considering the disgraceful Robertson foul on Allan. Not only does he say that it wasn't a foul, but that Robertson 'did nothing wrong'!!! Of course the accompanying film of the incident failed to show the camera angle from which anyone could see perfectly the intent and the contact. Incredible. It was a sending off offence, 100%.
Tony Abrahams
27 Posted 20/10/2020 at 10:51:52
That’s the worry Eddie, but I think what Stan is saying makes a lot of sense, and hopefully someone at Everton, might get a chance soon to come out with a clever line, that will put a million sour words in their rightful place.

Liverpool get away with absolute murder already, (the squeaking hinge works) because imagine a referee with two Evertonian supporting sons being allowed to ref a Merseyside derby? Not a fucking chance.

Give them nothing, because they’re ashamed of nothing, and the only thing that counts is themselves.

Brian Williams
28 Posted 20/10/2020 at 10:53:48
Stan#20.
You beat me to it there mate with regard to our club's "lack of response."
There's absolutely nothing to respond to.
I'm 99% sure Everton as a club will have made contact with the other shower to wish the player well and wish him a speedy recovery.
And that's all they need to do.
In private the club should be giving Pickford all the support he needs to deal with the ridiculous media circus.
We all know the media like to focus on a high profile England player and basically destroy them.
Beckham, Gascoigne, Rooney to name a few.
Everton will be quietly and professionally getting the squad focusing on the game on Saturday and another three points to maintain momentum.
Silence (in this case) is not a sign of weakness it's a sign professionalism, class and dignity.

Brian Williams
29 Posted 20/10/2020 at 10:56:24
Having said that I myself would like to get hold of certain pundits and the like and rip their fucking throats out, which is why I never quite made it in the diplomatic corps.
Santa Krsh
30 Posted 20/10/2020 at 11:02:48
Guyss.. Lets get over this!!!
Media and Pundits are all too biased to be taken seriously nowadays.. how do we make them sit up & shut up????
By performing on the field & continuing our unbeaten run & silently racking up win after win after win.. everything else will be forgotten.

So next up Southampton away which will not be easy.. but so too was Spurs & Palace.. If we continue playing the same way with a bit of Defensive Discipline & cutting out individual errors ( remember we have conceded 2 in every game sans Salford which has probably gone under the radar), we can look forward to an another weekend at the top..

Hoping Gbamin returns soon and provide us that Discipline, Holding Mid role calls for & let Allan, Doucoure do the job of roaming around and winning the ball higher up which will create even more chances for our Flying Forwards..

COYB.. We are Gonna win the League!!!!

Rick Tarleton
31 Posted 20/10/2020 at 11:04:06
Van Dijk's injury was unfortunate and with the best will in the world it is hard to defend Pickford's wreckless and impetuous "tackle". To say it was not deliberate is probably true, but if I overtake on a double line and hit a car, I may not have intended to cause mayhem, but my wrecklessness has been the main contributor to the incident.
Van Dijk is no angel, but he does not deserve to have his career endangered while playing, and note that participle, football.
To hear the hypocrisy of Souness, who frequently fouled players and it often looked very intentional, condemning Pickford is rich. Carragher whom I normally dislike did soon shoot him down very effectively.
My anger when Gomes was hurt last season by Spurs, bordered on the irrational. Liverpool fans will feel anger, as we did after the Gomes incident, but quite soon they'll put it in their folklore memories, as we have for Kuyt, Suarez, Carragher himself, it'll come out whenever they feel aggrieved.
Mike Gwyer
32 Posted 20/10/2020 at 11:24:36

Stan Schofield #20.

Absolutely spot on. Though it will be interesting to hear what Carlo has to say when he sits in front of the media on Friday or Saturday to do his team speech for Southampton, the man can say many things with just a few words..

John Hall
33 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:11:29
Santa (30)

Wish we could ask all the pundits to watch the you tube video ( Liverpool 2020 Fight / Brutal fouls and heated moments )

Certainly not the choir boys that they are made out to be !

Keown should go back and watch his own assault on R.V.N. when he played for Arsenal. Short memories

Clattenburg commented in one paper that he had missed the Dirk Kyte challenge in one derby game that he refereed and was the reason that he never sent him off. He was in the air for about 5 yards before making contact so another paid artist covering his tracks. Hypocritical bunch.

COYB

Brian Williams
34 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:12:45
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8858763/Rival-fans-mock-tweet-online-condolence-book-collecting-messages-support-Virgil-van-Dijk.html
Ian Burns
35 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:13:18
VAR is like big knickers - a passion killer! You dare not celebrate a goal until VAR has given permission to scream one’s delight. On the other hand VAR provided one of the season’s great moments on Saturday, still grinning every time I think about it. However on a serious note it needs to be scrapped. Football is built on passion and VAR is taking the spontaneity out of the game.
Stan Schofield
36 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:33:29
Ian, big knickers can work very well, on the right woman.
Anthony Murphy
37 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:36:46
I think there are a couple of subtle (yet obvious to us), underlying motivations for the pundit/media reaction that have been touched upon above - namely the fear of Everton upsetting the established top 6 (as represented by 99% of media/pundits) and an ongoing unwritten media rule to never criticise our neighbours as they feel they owe them one. In general, we do not fit the narrative. The media and global TV audience have their club from the city of Liverpool - we are just a bit of an inconvenience. Leeds yes - Newcastle yes - Everton no thanks.
Charles Brewer
38 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:41:42
The photograph of Pickford going for the ball with VD (what appropriate initials the man has), show one player heading for the ball and the other one going in like a bandy legged ostrich on ice. If VD cannot control himself sufficiently to go after the ball properly, it is no-one else's responsibility to make sure he does not get hurt.

Liverpool FC, since the time of Shankly, has been a disgusting club which has sought advantage through every dirty tactic imaginable, they are the epitome of the spirit of a Maradona, a Claudio Gentile a Lance Armstrong or a Joe Biden. When their supporters - attracted by similarity of character - murder a mass of Italians and consistently behave in the manner of a sort of Millwall without the decency, the club say nothing. Arson attempts after they were awarded the Premiership last year get a free pass.

Having seen photographs of VD's genuinely malicious attack on Mertens https://bit.ly/3dHNuAy where VD is clearly looking straight at the ankle of the man he assaulted I have zero sympathy with this thug.

Ian Burns
39 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:42:36
I’ll have to take your word on that Stan
Stan Schofield
40 Posted 20/10/2020 at 13:04:27
Ian, I read it somewhere.
Stan Schofield
41 Posted 20/10/2020 at 13:09:51
Brian@29: That sounds a very diplomatic way of dealing with some of those scoundrels. As you say, the best thing Everton can do is remain focused on the next game, and then the next, etc. Of course, that’ll frustrate the media gobshites even more.
Rennie Smith
42 Posted 20/10/2020 at 13:27:28
SkySports have just spent nearly 15 minutes on Pickford and VVD, 3 days after it happened.

Get over it FFS

Brent Stephens
43 Posted 20/10/2020 at 13:30:06
"SkySports have just spent nearly 15 minutes on Pickford and VVD, 3 days after it happened. Get over it FFS."

Yes, 3 days after, and there's still no end to it all! Still, if you have a biased and angry view on things, you might just go on and on!!

Len Hawkins
44 Posted 20/10/2020 at 13:31:37
In my humble opinion Everton FC Ltd and it's staff should not apologise for anything (like your car Insurance tells you Never Admit Liability) as your apology will be taken as an admission of guilt. If they feel so badly done to why are the FA/Prem League not taking action against Pickford that speaks volumes. As I have not watched replay after replay on my Browser page there is a headline from some Rag that Pickfords studs connected with his knee, well unless my eyesight has gone completely his studs never went near his knee.
But why waste another good chance to show the world they are victims once again, poor loves.
Santa Krsh
45 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:15:09
Get over this Guys... we have an important game on Saturday to continue our journey to be crowned the League Champions..
COYB
Andrew Ellams
46 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:15:28
If the RS demand some sort of apology they should be reminded that they are the club who sent their players out in shirts supporting a team mate who was serving a ban for racially abusing a fellow professional. The same player who committed two horrible tackles in derby games and got an innocent young player sent off by cheating.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

47 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:46:09
'Pundits are hypocrites and ignorant'.

Gosh. Who knew?

Next, 'Mainstream media is populist and sensationalist.'

TV and radio producers, sports and news editors LOVE events as they played out in the latest edition of the Mersey Derby. It gives them a story (and click bait) to run with for days and to revisit time and again into the future.

* Long-time whipping boy Jordan Pickford commits heinous tackle on much-loved Red's captain, possibly putting him out for the season

* Much-reviled VAR system is too passive as neither the in-game or VAR referee deemed Pickford's challenge as dangerous and worthy of a straight red card

* The demonic Richarlison flies in recklessly on Thiago and is deservedly set packing from the field

* Much-reviled VAR system rules out a winning goal for the much-loved Reds by a hair's width

Pundits know which side their bread is buttered and how best to soak up the gravy of emotion and post-match outrage, so will run with the popular view.

This extends to the most vilest of pundits, given to outright thuggery in their own playing careers, or the most puerile of ex-footballers, to sanctimoniously preach from the high altar of hypocrisy on the injustices of today's game.

The sharks create a feeding frenzy, unmindful of the consequences of their extreme opinions. Indeed, the consequences feed into the story. I see a number of today's UK back pages are running with the story that both Jordan and Richy have received death threats which Merseyside Police are seriously investigating. The impact on Pickford's wife and young child, Richy's own family in the city, and the extra precautions and security both players may need to take is of no consequence to the frothing bile of the critics.

The condemnation even extends to our own number. A couple of contributors to TW align themselves with the Red Mob, openly expressing a desire that Pickford DOES get a retrospective ban.

They might want to think that one through a bit more and the consequences on so many levels. Suffice to say if as a Blue you find yourself on the side of the fence with our red brethren on this, you might want to give your head a wobble and think 'I might have called this wrong.'

Accidentally Sunday night, Neymar revealed Richy's number to the world when calling him. Within 5 minutes WhatsApp was bombarded with 10,000 messages.

Neymar Leaks Richy's Phone Number

Such is the world we now live in, in which the most puerile of ex-footballers are portrayed as 'sages' whose every utterance carries great gravitas, and anything beyond a 6-word sentence is too deep to understand or even bother reading or listening to.

Filter it all out, for this too shall pass.

Chris Williams
48 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:58:50
Fat Sam has weighed in now with his advice to Klopp.

Who next is left among the barrel scrapings?

Patrick McFarlane
49 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:05:33
You would think that the sports reporters and pundits would concentrate on more important matters affecting the game, rather than put all their efforts into how bad an inidividual tackle in a notorioulsy febrile derby match. Sky News are saying that they have the exclusive on another attempt for the red sides to create more disparity in the game.

Liverpool and Manchester United are in talks about a bombshell plot involving Europe's biggest football clubs to join a new FIFA-backed tournament that would reshape the sport's global landscape.

Sky News has learned that financiers are assembling a $6 billion (£4.6 billion) funding package to assist the creation of what could become known as the European Premier League.

European Premier League

Chris Williams
50 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:11:07
Patrick

I blame Pickford for upsetting Liverpool and driving them into this arrangement.

Alan McGuffog
51 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:11:54
I'd be made up Patrick, as long as they had to burn their bridges. No more domestic fixtures...let them go and play in their bubble.
Rob Halligan
52 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:14:31
Are our wishes about to come true, and the RS fuck off to their European premier league as it's going to be known as? Please, please let this be true, and it could be as early as 2022.
Kieran Kinsella
53 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:14:50
OJ Simpson saying Pickford should be locked up
Charles Brewer
54 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:15:22
Patrick, the other clubs should get together and expel these two clubs from the Premiership with immediate effect. They are seeking to destroy one of the UK's most successful exports for the greed of a couple of American owners.

There should be immediate, severe and condign implications. The clubs should be told that they will not be readmitted to the Premiership or Football Leagues, that any players who play in that league will not be permitted to play in the PL. The owner should be told that they are considered unsuitable persons and that any clubs with which they are associated now or in the future will be excluded.

The should also contact the Bundesliga, La Liga, Seria A and the rest of UEFA to form a common front.

FIFA should be told that no European nations will be competing in any of their competitions and the FBI and Interpol should be invited to reopen criminal investigations with the full co-operation of the European leagues (with suitable amnesty for those who co-operate).

These two clubs have failed onc to destroy the PL, they should not be given a third chance. A rapid, devastating and financially crippling

Charles Brewer
55 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:17:12
attack is required.

If you want to avoid Spring 1940, invade in 1936.

Patrick McFarlane
56 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:18:12
I agree Alan, I wouldn't miss any of the 'elite' clubs, give me a game of footy involving Everton and a few beers with the lads and I'm happy.
Chris Williams
57 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:23:18
The Yorkshire Ripper has let it be known that he disapproves of both Everton players. It brings the game into disrepute.
Liam Reilly
58 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:25:19
Rennie #42 "SkySports have just spent nearly 15 minutes on Pickford and VVD, 3 days after it happened."

Saw that. Everton could win the league and Sky would have a special on how it wouldn't have happened if VD dyke wasn't injured. They neglect to mention that he's been distinctly average at best this season; Leeds and Villa spring to mind.

Best thing we can do is keep winning and they'll keep moaning. I'd take that.

Brian Harrison
59 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:31:16
Charles 54

I totally agree with your proposal to expel from the Premier league any club that joins this elite league, and as you add also tell any player that participates in this league will also be banned for life from ever again playing in the Premier league. Seems like the American owners of Liverpool and Man Utd can ride roughshod over the other clubs in the league. The idea is being bankrolled by JP Morgan an American owned bank. I would politely suggest that both the owners of Man Utd and Liverpool are hauled before the Premier league and both told that because they have secretly tried to do a deal behind the backs of the Premier League and without the backing of UEFA they will both be deducted 36 points starting this season.

I also wouldn't mind betting that Sky have also been heavily involved in discussions, as JP Morgan are doing this to make money, so will be looking to sell these games to Sky.

As far

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

60 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:35:00
BTW, anyone else pick up on the very subtle post on the club's FB page showing two minutes highlights?

EFC Most Popular Video

The comment posted with it was:

'Merseyside derby highlights. Worth a review...'

Made me laugh. Straight batted all the Red Rage right out of the ground for me.

John McFarlane Snr
61 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:48:20
Hi all, especially those under the age of 60, football on the pitch today is played far more skilfully, due in no short measure to the improvement in the kit, [shirts, shorts, boots] and the pitches themselves, are of bowling green standard. I foolishly allowed my mind to drift back to the 50s and early 60s [pre-television days] when the only ones to show any interest in the game were match going supporters, and any controversial incidents were discussed at length in the pubs on Saturday evening or Sunday lunch time. Of course there were heated arguments, but I can't recall any death threats being issued. I'll end this post in the way I began it, by saying that todays football is of a higher standard than that of the 50s and 60s, but to me, as a match going supporter, not as enjoyable. I expect my post to be dismissed as the ramblings of an old man by someone in America, Canada, Australia. or some other far flung country, but I also expect that these sentiments will be shared by these same people in 30 years time, I think it's called progress?
Kieran Kinsella
62 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:54:19
John McFarlane

No death threats maybe but how about an actual War? 1960s armed conflict between El Salvador and Honduras resulting from a world cup qualifier in the so-called "Football War."

Brian Harrison
63 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:07:03
John Mcfarlane Snr

John I slightly disagree with you saying the game is more skilful now than in the 50s and 60s, but I can think of players who played in those eras and the 70s who these teams or players today couldnt compete with. Take out Ronaldo and Messi who are exceptional players, but the rest of the teams or individual players today couldnt compete with the England team of 1966 or the Brazilian team who for me were by far the greatest team I have EVER seen. Then there were individual players, George Best apart from the 2 players I have mentioned from this era who else could compete with Best. Jimmy Greaves most natural goalscorer I have ever seen. Pele and Maradonna head and shoulders ahead of anything around now. And don't get me started on goalkeepers none of todays keepers could live with Gordan Banks and Shilton was better than any around now.
Also when these guys played defenders could come right through these players long before tackles from the back quite rightly were banned, so something that the modern player hasnt had to cope with.

Charles Brewer
64 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:09:04
I think a campaign to kick the RS and ManU out of the Premiership should be started from here, I'm pretty sure we'll get the supporters of a very large number of clubs - City, Toon, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea not to mention all the other founder members of the FA.

it would be a wonderful way of showing the power of democracy over oligarchy. And if the RS go bust as a result, this would be a wonderful bonus.

John McFarlane Snr
65 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:09:44
Hi Kieran [62] I was referring to 'Football in Britain', I suppose that could lead to me answering to the charge of being a "Little Englander"
Kieran Kinsella
66 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:16:00
John McFarlane Snr

I got it. I just suddenly remembered that bizarre event and was trying to be funny. Although in fairness to your details, it was 1969 which was probably after the era of televised games starting? You'd know better than me but I am guessing in the 1950s and early 60s football wasn't on TV. I do agree with you though about this "death threat" culture. It extends not even to just football but over here there are death threats about a reality TV show Big Brother. I think (hope) most are not serious and people hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.

Brian Williams
67 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:17:27
And now ex referee Keith Hackett is advising the rs to sue Jordan Pickford for a "premeditated attack" on VD.
Does the stupidity know no bounds at all?
Kieran Kinsella
68 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:20:11
Brian

I would love it if they actually did as it would open up a whole can of worms going back 30 years with them on the receiving end of the receiving end of multiple suits. Ironically, the only time I've heard of such a case going to court was when Paul Elliot sued Dean Saunders. of Liverpool FC for ending his career. Elliot lost the case

Gerry Quinn
69 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:23:18
Hackett on THAT OFFSIDE GOAL . “It’s not offside for me. The hand/arm up to the underside of the armpit is not a part of the body that can score. My view is that this goal should not have been ruled out.”

“The cameras have speeds of up to 50 frames per second, so they do not have the level of accuracy to make this judgement.”

“It’s a poor decision”

UN-FECKING-BELIEVABLE the crap that these so called experts spew out.

John Pierce
70 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:26:18
Far too much time looking at the result (the tackle) rather than the root of the issue (his poor decision making).

He criminally misjudged the flight of the ball, ignored or missed VVD a with Digne and yet still after a hesitation still decided to go for a ball he could never get. That’s muddled thinking, especially in a high stakes game already 1-0 down after only minutes. It’s was completely irresponsible.

It’s all well and good to stick up for the lad as a defence against those outside the club as the article outlines but it’s now time to be more introspective. It’s critical he’s dropped. We can now cite two games each against Liverpool and Newcastle were his antics have cost us points. His mental preparation for *these* type of games isn’t right. That’s before we mix in the other mistakes.

With Newcastle away coming up, I’d hope he’s asked to step down for a couple of games, give him some perspective and back in for United at home to show him Ancelotti has faith in him. To ask him to play through his poor form and ignore the warning signs isn’t fair to him and the team.

I’m way more focused on us getting maximum points when others around us are patchy and have congested fixtures lists. Selecting Pickford jeopardizes that for sure. Time to move on.

John McFarlane Snr
71 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:28:43
Hi Brian [63] the teams and players you refer to were indeed highly skilled, and I consider myself privileged to have seen them, but I believe that the overall level of ability throughout the leagues has been enhanced by the superior equipment and playing surfaces. What would we give for the sight of Tom Finney, Len Shackleton, Ivor Allchurch etc, in todays game?. if they could do it on mud-heaps, they could certainly have done so much more in todays conditions. Isn't Nostalgia a wonderful thing?.
Shane Corcoran
72 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:34:47
I'm always trying to be that lad that plays devil's advocate, and here I go again.

Wasn't most of the media attention on whether the rule was applied correctly as it was an unusual incident, especially since VAR has been introduced?

Also, the wafer thin offside calls this season have all had plenty of scrutiny.

Why not bask in the glow of getting away with it. I really don't get why people are bothered by what the media say.

As John says above, it's taking the focus off yet another balls-up by Pickford. And don't give me the "he made a great save". So what. DCL scored a great goal but if he jumped on someone in the box I'd be giving him lip too.

Dave Abrahams
73 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:43:04
John (71) “ Isn’t Nostalgia a wonderful thing”, yes John it is and it never goes out of date, like that place that everybody goes to, Yesterday, it’s full of memories, and when I go there, they are always very happy ones, I blank the sad ones out.
Kevin Molloy
74 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:43:18
I think the real reason he got injured is cos he didn't really know what he was doing. let's not forget he was a defender trying to stay onside on the six yard box with a keeper flying at him. Instinctively there is no way a forward would allow their leg to be planted in a clash like that. they know what keepers are like.
Stan Schofield
75 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:51:17
Shane@72: I think the thrust of the comments on here is about the bias, ferocity, and wildness of much of the media's commentary. If the media had simply done a sober analysis of the rules and circumstances of the incident, the comments on here would have been different. And it's already said that, ultimately, the decisions were in Everton's favour and we need do nothing except focus on the next game.
Charles Brewer
76 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:00:06
All I can say regarding the Keith Hackett remarks are that that Ancelotti is a cunning bastard.

The evil Italian genius decided that he would use his goalkeeper to take out the opposing centre half. Not DSL, or Richarlison or Coleman or Digne - who would regularly have the opportunity to attack VVD anywhere on the pitch (you know, the way VVD did against Rodriguez and DVL), but instructed him to take out VVD in the PENALTY AREA - but only, of course, once he'd checked that VVD was offside.

He must have known that a goalkeeper who gets criticism for not being muscular and dominant enough would be just the player to notice when VVD was standing like a ruptured duck and to catch him on the leg.

What a cunning Machiavellian man this Italian must be!

Charles Brewer
77 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:01:58
GRRR can we have the edit back please. Dominic Calvert-Lewin came out as two different people neither of whom is him in my last posting!
Patrick McFarlane
78 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:08:53
You pays your money you takee your choice! Some will agree with Rob Green's explanation, some won't, but at least he's explained it in a calm and reasonable manner.

Possible Explanation

Sky Sports have reported that contrary to other reports (Daily Mail) the VAR folks did know the rules, did examine the evidence before them and decided no further action was required.

Tony Abrahams
79 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:13:16
There is a lot of sense in what you say Kevin, but I could imagine the screams, if you said that to anyone but the most sensible of Liverpudlians mate, but even then I’m not sure?

The other thing is how quick everything happens, but as you say, centre-forwards know what the opposing keeper is like, and in instances like this, the player who gets there first, usually comes off a lot worse.

A very unfortunate incident, definitely needs putting to bed now. It’s gone, it’s time to move on, is obviously a lot easier for me to say, because we haven’t lost a player for probably a full season to a very serious injury, but the only thing they can do is get on with it, because it’s the nature of the game, unfortunately. It really is that brutal.

Kieran Kinsella
81 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:18:25
Andy Johnson's "diving" all over again with this media coverage. Every time Pickford does a two footed assault on a center half now the VAR are going to be under pressure to review it.
Bill Gall
82 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:21:39
Hi John #61 no criticism but I think you forgot to mention the dread of heading a ball. I don't now how many times I headed that old leather ball and sometimes on the leather lace, especially heavier in the rain, and I think that is were my wife got the comment during an disagreement I was not rite in the head.

The offside fiasco if people go back a bit, and I am sure VAR did, before Mane passed the ball back to Henderson he was coming back from an offside position and there may have been more than his toenail offside before the ball was actually passed to him.

Kieran 366 The first time I got the premier league on TV in Canada was in about 1993 and you could only watch the team you supported if they were playing Man Utd. We started to get later on, almost all games on TSN and then in the start of 2019 they lost the rights to showing the premier.

Brian Williams
83 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:22:15
I have to say it's only after watching Rob Green's analysis that I've realised how much of the ball Pickford got.
He actually makes a clean connection which takes the ball away from VD.
Outcome doesn't change but looks even more like an unfortunate accident than ever.
Had Pickford gone for that with two feet I'd be more prepared to lambast him but his right foot is way back due to his outstretched left leg and his bent right leg.
He was almost as likely to have VD's boot come down on one of his own legs, which in the split second it takes for two fast moving players to come together was a very real possibility.
Chris Williams
84 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:24:54
Patrick

I watched Greens overview live and he was looking at it from a goalkeepers perspective, and as you say a reasoned, cool way.

When Sky posted the video of the broadcast it was under the headline Robert Green Says Pickford ‘Out Of Contol’

Thus negating any objectivity there may have been.

Charles Brewer
85 Posted 20/10/2020 at 18:11:18
Brian and Chris, it's pretty clear from the perspective given that JP got the ball, cleanly and some way ahead of VD and VD is going in studs first doing the splits half turned sideways. If the goonish centre half tries to get to a ball he cannot (and does not reach), wildly out of control and in a configuration likely to cause himself injury in any case, then clearly he is responsible for his own injury.

That said, even under the most red-spectacled interpretation, it's nothing like as bad as the Napoli attack or the cowardly RS specials on JR and DCL.

Rob Halligan
86 Posted 20/10/2020 at 18:25:38
Looking at and hearing what Rob Green is saying, plus seeing that image from last night, it seems to me that Pickford is 100% innocent of all blame. Indeed, it looked like Van Dijk is the victim of his own doing.
Chris Williams
87 Posted 20/10/2020 at 18:31:16
Rob

Nah, doesn’t fit the narrative

Martin Berry
88 Posted 20/10/2020 at 19:35:47
Regardless of the offside this was a reckless challenge. I have watched it in slow motion several times and cant condone it. Red card and Pickford is still a liability.
Kieran Kinsella
89 Posted 20/10/2020 at 19:51:32
Aldridge exonerating Pickford saying it was an accident. But he is also saying Rich should get an extended long term ban for his tackle
Martin Mason
90 Posted 20/10/2020 at 19:55:50
Pickford was guilty only of a badly executed challenge, he was one on one and had to make it. A bad footballing incident. If he hadn't made the challenge he would have been crucified by the same ignorant pundits. Richarlison's red was the opposite.
Jack Convery
91 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:06:16
Do we know yet who will ref EFC at the Saints ? I'm expecting some Colinaesque type of behavour over the next dew games and especially when we play MU.

I expect Carlo will be keeping an eye on Pickfords mental state during training this week. Hard though it will be spot any difference from someone described as a plate short of a picnic basket, will be difficult. Come On Jordan don't let the b*stards grind you down. COYBs for Sunday.

Patrick McFarlane
92 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:08:46
Jack #91
I think it's the same guy who reffed our game at Palace earlier in the season Kevin Friend?
Rob Halligan
93 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:08:56
Jack, Kevin Friend is the ref on Sunday. Seems like he will be no friend of ours. Simon Hooper is the VAR official.
Dave Williams
94 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:35:36
What a shower of pathetic Whiners they are. I am sick to death of reading or hearing about how dreadful this is. Blimey, Gomes was carried off a year ago with his leg almost in two pieces, likewise Oviedo and Seamus and McCarthy had bad ones too.
It is a physical game and tackles go wrong sometimes. Stop crying and get on with it for heavens sake.
Will Mabon
95 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:50:19
I thought Keith Hackett would be more diplomatic than to get involved publicly in a shit storm. Not what I'd expect from him. Seems they're all getting red fever.
Brent Stephens
96 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:54:42
Why obsess about this? All it deserved from the start was a “whatever”- in the right tone.

Whatever. Move on.

Rob Halligan
97 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:56:44
Talking of referees for the weekend, I see the premier league have appointed Mike "my son's have season tickets at mordor" Dean to referee the RS v Sheff Utd game this weekend. Nothing like trying to get back into their good books!! Gobshites.
Will Mabon
98 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:02:00
I agree, Brent, but I rather think it's the obsessing attack by everyone else that's being discussed. Club should say nothing whatsoever. One day, it will all have to wind down and stop, and it will say a whole lot more if there is total silence from Everton.
Brent Stephens
99 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:11:59
Yes, Will, so many others outside of us are obsessing about the incident. It was run of the mill. We should just move on. People reading our fans forums can just see it’s getting up our noses.

So DCL goals against Southampton?

Will Mabon
100 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:13:12
I'll go for one - a shot this time.
Geoff Lambert
101 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:25:50
Rob#86 "Pickford is 100% innocent of all blame." Be careful mate you will be getting death threats off some on here with information like that.
Mike Gaynes
102 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:43:36
Geoff, anybody threatening Rob's life hasn't met him. He's built like the Dixie Dean statue outside Goodison.
Simon Dalzell
103 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:50:55
Manes' deliberate kick at Mina ( should've resulted in red card ) Shithouse Robertson ( nasty piece of work ) deliberate hack down from behind on Allen. Foul on Richarlison when he headed against post.etc..etc.. None of these worth a mention. It's sickening how biased and Ignorant these people are.
Tony Abrahams
104 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:57:58
His two sons are Liverpool season ticket holder’s? Let’s start asking a few questions because how his a man who has raised two Liverpudlians allowed to ref their games?
Geoff Lambert
105 Posted 20/10/2020 at 22:00:23
Mike I used to tell my young son that it was a real life size statue of Dixi.
Neil Copeland
106 Posted 20/10/2020 at 22:23:17
Geoff #105, do you mean it isn’t? Oh well, bubble burst.
Rob Halligan
107 Posted 20/10/2020 at 22:25:44
Klopps rant about the weekends game will be on Talksport in about 10 - 15 minutes. Will be well worth a listen to hear what the moaning fucker is saying.
Kevin Molloy
108 Posted 20/10/2020 at 22:34:01
When Gomes got done by Tottingham, did we keep talking about how 'Andre is our boy, it ain't right' half a week later?

they are utterly pathetic. They have such a fabulous opinion of themselves, all the while they are trying to ruin the Premier League so they can rake in more cash.

Klopp pretends he's this big egalitarian, whist coining it working for venture capitalists of the very worst stripe. Hypocritical shiteheads. All they can talk about is a mistimed tackle by soft lad.

Tom Bowers
109 Posted 20/10/2020 at 22:47:03
It is very sad that RS fans and players are carrying on with this ranting. So many incidents concerning RS in many games over the years are conveniently ignored never mind this one.

They are more pissed because they thought they had stolen it until VAR put the matter right.

I may have been one of the few who liked Clattenburg as a referee but he hit the nail on the head when he said it was absolutely offside under the rules whereby it is the offending part of the body and not just the feet and it was part of Mane's upper body which was offside. Good for you, Mark!

Brent Stephens
110 Posted 20/10/2020 at 22:54:18
“It is very sad that RS fans and players are carrying on with this ranting.”

If only they'd stop going on and on about it.

Rob Halligan
111 Posted 20/10/2020 at 22:54:38
So your players did nothing wrong on Saturday Klopp? So those two cynical challenges on Rodriguez early in the game by Van Dijk were nothing. That challenge by Robertson on Allan in the centre circle where he tried to take his studs down Allans Achilles was nothing. The trip by Mane on Mina was nothing.

You two-faced twat. Why don't you just Fuck off back to Germany and take all your snidey players with you.

Stan Schofield
112 Posted 20/10/2020 at 23:16:49
Rob@111: Let him carp on as he tends to do, the decisions have gone our way and that's that. The more someone like that is ignored the better, he's clearly an attention seeker. If he carries on like this he'll damage them, because he won't be properly focused on what he should be focusing on. Let him get on with it, the daft sod.
Jay Harris
113 Posted 20/10/2020 at 23:19:44
Why don't we compile a videoset of their misdemeanours over the years and send it to the FA and Sky.

Let's call it the "Hypocrites diary"

Brent Stephens
114 Posted 20/10/2020 at 23:23:02
Jay #113 are you producing that video compilation?
Brent Stephens
115 Posted 20/10/2020 at 23:24:27
Jay, will you be sending your video compilation to the FA and Sky?
Mike Hughes
116 Posted 20/10/2020 at 23:29:04
Given the media hypocrisy, short term memories and entitlement of the RS, I’ll state here and now that I don’t give a flying one about VVD’s ACL or whatever part of Thiago’s body is hurting.

I do, however, feel a deep concern for Elaine from Peterborough who has now - 72h into a VVD-ACL-associated PTSD - probably been admitted to The Priory with an overdose of red whine.

Doctors on The Gobshite Wing will be keeping a close eye on her. Let us all bow our heads in prayer or, if you prefer, take a knee.

Rob Halligan
117 Posted 20/10/2020 at 23:31:04
Here's Elaine from Peterborough on Talksport!! Talking the usual shite. No doubt will blubber towards the end.
Dick Fearon
118 Posted 20/10/2020 at 23:35:46
Was Pickford supposed to pull out of the challenge? By not doing so he matched his opponent's courage because Van Dijk had no intention of pulling out. In similar situations the attacker usually does his best to avoid injuring the keeper but that was not the case this time.

Both players deserve praise for their total commitment and in Va Dijk's case sympathy.

In a pre-match interview, Klopp praised Van Dijk for playing through a painful leg injury. Could that injury have been exacerbated by a pre-existing condition? If that is so it points the finger of responsibility at Klopp and Van Dijk. Not that I expect either to admit it.

Jay Harris
119 Posted 20/10/2020 at 23:37:01
I propose we all try to dig out videos and get a ToffeeWeb compilation together and get a number of petitioners to send with it to ask the FA to retrospectively look into them, Brent.

I'm serious. I don't know if Michael or Lyndon can lend their technical assistance but I'm sick of the complaining hypocrites claiming injustice while they are inflicting it on everyone else.

Mike Doyle
120 Posted 20/10/2020 at 23:39:16
In the good old days, the likes of Tarby & Cilla (allegedly) spent most of their waking hours “on the Kop”. Now, they are reduced to Elaine from Peterborough.

How the mighty have fallen.

Kristian Boyce
121 Posted 20/10/2020 at 23:42:57
True to form, the BBC have now put out 7 articles about the VVD injury. The latest is: Jordan Pickford tackle on Virgil van Dijk 'completely stupid' - Georginio Wijnaldum

Couple of snippets:

Wijnaldum said "none of the players slept" after what happened on Saturday.

Manager Jurgen Klopp said his feelings were "similar to my players".

"In my opinion, they take it too far in the games we play against them. Everyone wants to win the derby, sometimes you go a little over the top, but it was too much - not only his tackle, Richarlison on Thiago was also a nasty one.

"Accidents can happen in football. You can be unlucky and injure someone - but the way they were doing it was completely unacceptable.

"It makes it harder as they do not get punished, in this case Pickford."

Utterly deluded, and seems to forgot the Mane and Robertson incidents during the game. The Beeb is following other outlets in publishing pretty damaging responses to us as a club and our players. Hark back to the Gomes/Son incident, it basically turned into a 'His not that type of player' narrative in favour of Son. Being top of the league is obviously something which isn't sitting too well with the media, and I'd imagine little nasty digs throughout the season if we continue around the upper regions.

Mike Hughes
122 Posted 20/10/2020 at 23:49:39
I hasten to add that I don't wish any harm on any sports person or any decent, law-abiding citizen. That includes Virgil van Dijk. I hope he's back playing by the end of March.

But they are going OTT with all the media focus. It happened. Deal with it. Get over it. It's happened to our players and we had to do the same. Drop the “poor me” crap. We're in the middle of a pandemic so get some perspective.

But poor Elaine (and her ilk, the placky RS) – that does give me cause for concern. I'm playing a selection of old classic tear-jerkers in sympathy.

Next up, Phil Collins – “If leaving me is easy”.
(I'm welling up).

Mike Hughes
123 Posted 21/10/2020 at 00:09:38
“If you leave me now” (you’ll take away the deepest part of me)

I think a scented candle would be appropriate, Elaine (and other placky RS) if it gets too cold, why not light it?

Albert Perkins
124 Posted 21/10/2020 at 00:35:28
I think I said this somewhere else, but would not be surprised if it was suggested we amputate a leg from one of our defenders to make up for the terrible loss of the world's best and saintly center half.

When Son obviously acted in retaliation to Gomes and it was ignored, then we can accept that truth means nothing here. Nothing to see, move along.

Good luck with retaining the title, Klopp. You're going to need it. COYB.

Jim Harrison
125 Posted 21/10/2020 at 01:41:46
That Liverpool presser

Klopp backing it all up

This is ridiculous. A lot of pearl clutching

Mane is a filthy player. In any other game he warns at least 3 yellow cards on Saturday! Arguably 2 counts of simulation to Chuck in too.

Van Dijk is no Angel. He's gone in studs up. He's already gone out to let James know he's in for a bit of a rough game. He's gone into that game intending to be the big guy.

Robertson has at least 2 yellows in that match. Possibly a red.

Richarlison has lost it in the end. He's been kicked and pushed all match and lost discipline at the end. He's not run around the pitch all game playing like that. Gomes gets penalised for a high boot where mane stoops into it, doesn't get touched and goes down like he's had his head stamped into.

It's not the BBC or anyone else's fault these clowns are coming out with this crap. It's their job to report on what is said in these interviews. It's the players and manager.

Martin Nicholls
126 Posted 21/10/2020 at 09:29:18
Haven't read entire thread so apologies if point has already been made. Red shite physios treated van Dijk's left knee on the pitch but it is his right ACL that is injured. Could it be that it was that left knee that sustained (superficial) injury in the collision and that the right was already damaged - maybe just aggravated in the challenge? Klopp has openly admitted that he has been playing with an injury ("in pain") - is the seriousness of the injury down to them themselves, rather than anything JP did?
Peter Roberts
127 Posted 21/10/2020 at 09:34:59
Kristian 121

I've been watching The Premier League Years season review from last season over the past couple of days, and the whole "Son is not that type of player" got rubbished very quickly when he got sent off again about two weeks later for another dreadful tackle.

The whole media witch hunt is nauseating. We don't stand a cat in hells chance of winning the return fixture at Mordor as it will be us vs the Entire World.

One very sound red I know (Scouser but now lives in Canada with his young family) had a gripe at both decisions and after his second comment, said "Anyway, it's gone, no point moaning about it now is there, let's move on". Which further reinforces my point that Reds (the sound LFC fans you can talk to about football with a level head) accept that this happens in football, unlike the cringe worthy embarrassing Kopites who think the world perpetually owes LFC a favour and that nothing is ever their fault.

Life is far too important to worry about football, particularly in the current situation.

John Kavanagh
128 Posted 21/10/2020 at 11:55:24
Like Martin @126 I believe that Van Dijk went into the match carrying a knee problem. The continuing daily pressers having a go at Pickford is nauseating and the latest Wijnaldum comments beggar belief. The broadened accusation now is that Everton are a dirty side deliberately going out to injure their players - but not quite that much in the case of the Pickford challenge.

As every Blue knows, the real situation is the exact opposite. A bit like the way Hitler manufactured his invasion of Poland as self defence. It is the RS who repeatedly set out to injure our players and there is a long history of it, Robertson being the best recent example - e.g. the attempt to cripple Davies by deliberately throwing his full weight onto his back after chopping him down - then Saturday's kick on Allan. He is a scumbag of the first order. Van Dijk himself set out to injure two of our players before Karma intervened.

By maintaining a dignified silence - and even apologising in the case of Richarlison - we are allowing their inverted version of the truth to become fact. Enough is enough. It's time Everton put the record straight.

PS Isn't it about time that the WDA and the FA investigated doping in football via the wheeze (sic) of classifying players as asthmatic and filling them with performance enhancing drugs? Over to you, Herr Klopp.

Charles Brewer
129 Posted 21/10/2020 at 13:58:06
The RS drugs thing appears to be a bit of a theme. Lance Armstrong got away with it for years by aggression and appealing to the press (ie using the same tactics as the RS have for years).

Personally, I think someone should find out which park bench the RS manager lives on and steal his meths one night. It would be fun to watch him escaping all the purple cockroaches and neon illuminates snakes at the next match.

Brian Williams
130 Posted 21/10/2020 at 14:43:37
Charles, I don't think even the rs would be daft enough to use the drugs that Armstrong did.
However if there's any truth in the ridiculous number of supposed asthmatics in their squad then they could very well use a drug called triamcinolone which is used in the treatment of (among other things) asthma.
It also has a very positive effect on performance, in particular it can greatly increase the power versus weight ratio of an athlete.
So an athlete, who is by the nature of the sport he/she plays, lean and light as opposed to huge and muscular, could greatly benefit from much improved strength and stamina.
The sort of athletes that may benefit the most would be the likes of cyclists, or errr footballers.
Charles Brewer
131 Posted 21/10/2020 at 16:37:39
Brian, I'm sure that Armstrong's drugs are now too well known for them to be used in most sports (outside the USA and Russia, that is), and I suspect the drugs that build up huge leg muscles and massive endurance would be of limited use in an athlete who needed to be mobile.

However, the amazing lack of injuries last year, the apparent gap between the performance even of the likes of City, Arsenal and ourselves does lead one to suspect there is more to the RS than just a good training regime.

US sports - and in particular their Olympic and professional baseball and football teams - have been associated with drug misuse as long as they have had competitive sport. Wikipedia has a quote that "25 to 40% of all players are juiced", it would be no great surprise if this culture hadn't crossed the Atlantic with the owners, and given the moral deficit that the club across the park has traditionally shown, I'd say it was odds on.

Jerome Shields
133 Posted 22/10/2020 at 01:48:52
This hypocrisy was born out of a cartel of the top four Club, which Everton are breaking up and showing them up for he hypocrites they are. They will continually attack Everton, not be I table to see themselves.

Van Djjk stood there like a statue. He wasn't challenging. That's why he come off worse. I also think he was carrying a injury , which has been conveniently forgotten.

Jerome Shields
134 Posted 22/10/2020 at 01:59:36
Maybe the whole Van Djjk thing is to bolster a insurance claim.
Kieran Kinsella
135 Posted 22/10/2020 at 02:14:25
Maybe Van Dike should ask Mary Poppins for a spoon full of sugar to make his ACL go away.
Jerome Shields
136 Posted 22/10/2020 at 08:39:25
Not able to see themselves. -Thank you Amazon Fire again.
Roger Helm
137 Posted 22/10/2020 at 15:42:33
It is a shame for VD but, as Jimmy Case would say, these things happen.

I wouldn’t lose any sleep over useless pundits or the FA, they always seem to panic when we show signs of threatening the “big six” ( I never understand what Spurs are doing there, as they haven’t won anything for decades). Every time a forward goes down in the box I remember how Niasse was the only one ever banned - and he was fouled!

Phil Gardner
138 Posted 24/10/2020 at 07:06:36
The whole carnival is pathetic and typical. But...standby for a plethora of bad decisions and injustices headed our way soon...after all, we have to be derailed somehow and I reckon that’s what all this fuss is about.
Geoff Williams
139 Posted 24/10/2020 at 11:01:39
Look at the reaction of the Liverpool players or should I say lack of reaction. A couple of players put up their hands appealing for a penalty but none of the usual reaction one sees when a team member is truly clobbered. It was a very unpleasant collision but the over-the-top press and tv coverage is distasteful.

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