I enjoy and admire the articles posted by Paul "the Esk"... but I find them a bit scary; we rely on Mr Moshiri and he needs Champions League football. Can Carlo deliver it? Perhaps, with a huge amount of luck. Luck beyond anything we have ever had before. The easiest way is to buy it. Unfortunately, that ship sailed with Koeman and his lamentable Director of Football, Steve Walsh on board. So Carlo can't buy it.
Build from scratch with a long-term strategy of producing and developing young players? Sell some, slowly improve quality and have an inspired Director of Football, along with a patient Board of Directors and a fanbase engaged, supportive and even more patient. That option is not open to Carlo. The new stadium dictates so.
What is Carlo's plan? I am not altogether sure. My view is that he is in an almost impossible situation that is reflected in his team set-up. Our best eleven can play some good stuff and get results but it is still, in my view, not good enough. A couple of additions might, just, give us a chance. However, factor in injuries, Everton luck, and "off-days", and you get what we have endured in the last week.
The lack of depth in the squad was a fair enough excuse for losing to Man Utd – though not, in my view in the tame way we did, but still excusable. It was not any excuse, to me, for the utterly abject showing against West Ham Utd, for the lack of urgency, confidence and guile.
Carlo doesn't seem to trust the squad; when you witness the utterly heart-stopping, soul-destroying, pointless passing around the back, one cannot blame him. (I am doing the coach the courtesy of accepting that this annoys him as much as us.) So it looks like the tactic is to keep it tight and gather points till all the squad are fit. Problem is, we are Everton; that day never comes and never will until we can buy a squad.
Another, perhaps minor, but still irritating point: Why two goalkeepers on the bench? Surely a young player could benefit from the experience. Back in the day, Man City had the late Eddie Large on the bench. In those days it was not impossible he would get a game but apparently it was for humour and motivation. So perhaps Lössl is also a gifted impressionist and motivator.
We are better off than a year ago. We have, in my opinion, signed James and maybe others because of Carlo. It is a positive. He is committed to short-termism, which is understandable. We have good young players and some are getting chances. Frankly, it is Carlo or bust, because there is no room in the Moshiri project for another coach. Who could it be in any case?
Here's my concern and it is based on our last six games. Pragmatism is good; top teams have loads of it, but they have more. I would expect at this stage to be thinking; yes, a blip, but I see the big picture, we're not too far away. I just don't see it and I believe we have too many players who don't see it either. Losing doesn't hurt them.
For this to work, it will require a quite remarkable alignment of the stars. A blend of personalities, a talisman signing, unprecedented fortune with injuries... and, most of all, belief. Who knows? It happened to Leicester.
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1 Posted 04/01/2021 at 03:35:23
2 Posted 04/01/2021 at 05:21:08
I am though concerned with how pragmatic we have become. Don't get me wrong: I love being hard to beat but we need to strike the right balance. Leeds at home was a sobering game but can we put that down to formation only??
Both games vs Man Utd plus recently vs West Ham Utd makes you wonder where we are at. I'm hoping the transfer window gives us the few additions that we need to be the team that Carlo has in mind for his Masterplan.
3 Posted 04/01/2021 at 19:13:17
I keep hearing that the players are not of the standard required for this manager to be successful. What a cop out... a ready made excuse for a guy to achieve nothing... It can never be his fault.
The question we should really be asking is; is Ancelotti of the standard required for these players to be successful?
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... I've heard all the tired old arguments telling me about the trophies he has won in a former life... but let's be fair here. It would have been harder to fail than to succeed with some of the talent he has been fortunate enough to inherit.
He has no previous for actually building his own teams.
His job is different now. He can no longer sit back and watch the world class superstars he inherited annihilate inferior opposition. Now he has to improve the players he has got.
If I'm Tom Davies do I think being played here there and everywhere will enhance my game?
If I'm Alex Iwobi. How far is being played at left-wing back going to get me? Or if I'm a left back How much of a boost. does it give me to see a right-sided attacking player selected ahead of me?
Why would Godfrey, a centre-half, progress when he is playing at left-back? Especially when the guy playing centre-half looks like Bambi on Ice? And how does he feel knowing he will be bounced out as soon as the regular left-back is fit?
If I'm currently the hottest striker in the world. How do I feel when the manager changes the tactics that got me the goals and turns me into a pack mule, expecting me to chase a never ending stream of get-after-that balls?
The list just goes on. There is more to this management lark than massaging superstars ego's, knowing that if you keep them happy. They will probably beat anyone. Our boy has to show he can get a tune out of the players he has.
Ask not what the players can do for the manager....
4 Posted 04/01/2021 at 19:46:54
It's difficult when a player can't pass to a team mate 5 yards away.
5 Posted 04/01/2021 at 19:57:12
One of our central midfielders actually split the two easy options he had v West Ham. Two players on the touchline, one 10 yards further forward and our midfielder split them precisely with a pass from 10 yards away. Ball straight into touch.
6 Posted 04/01/2021 at 20:33:51
We have to realise that we are not entitled to win every game regardless of the opposition; however, it's the way we lose games that is concerning.
100% effort and commitment should be a minimum. Fitness and stamina should be a foregone conclusion from everyone. We lack so much.
It was interesting to read Michael Ball commenting that the only players he could hear when at Goodison the other day were the West Ham players. Nothing from a Blue. Shocking.
7 Posted 04/01/2021 at 20:35:46
This is one of the main failings and consistent features of all the recent managers and explains why we revert to type in a lot of the games like this where we constantly fail to produce.
Nobody is called out, on or apparently off the field. If this is not fixed, Ancelotti will go the same way as all of the other failures and mercenaries we have had for too long now. There has to be strong leaders on and off the field.
8 Posted 04/01/2021 at 20:38:47
If we could marry those two qualities we'd be laughing but of course it's not so easy as that and we could equally go the other way and end up porous and uncreative.
Ultimately I think our strongest XI when fit and firing is pretty good.
Currently that XI for me is:
Coleman Godfrey Keane Digne
Iwobi Rodriguez Richarlison
Coleman is perhaps the weak link (though he was good early season) and Godfrey has not played centre-back yet (you could replace him with either Holgate or Mina without much drop in quality) but it's a strong XI, capable of top 6/7 I believe.
But look beneath and the issues are close at hand. We currently lack the depth to sustain injuries and suspensions as we saw against West Ham where we especially missed the creativity of Digne, Iwobi and a fit Rodriguez.
So far Ancelloti has added 4 players of his choosing to the squad and they have all added something. The football has been poor at times but it's been fairly effective, to a degree. After this window and the Summer one, I expect the majority of the team will be his. That will be the time to better judge Ancelloti's Everton.
9 Posted 04/01/2021 at 20:40:55
Do you not have a modicum of respect for what Ancelotti has achieved in the game?
Regardless of who our manager, is they have an unbelievably hard job to bridge the gap between the top teams. It just so happens that our current manager has raised expectations based on his past achievements.
For the first time in years, we have some optimism around the club. Just over 12 months into his tenure, we have demonstrated an improvement in our offensive and defensive play. It's our best start for 15 years.
For us to seriously challenge the top 4, we have to match them with spending, regardless of who our manager is. If Moshiri wants us to compete, we have to break our transfer record multiple times.
10 Posted 04/01/2021 at 20:47:26
Never, ever an excuse for not giving everything you've got on a football pitch.
I recall Graeme Sharp years ago in commentary, a fellow commentator said to him after a defeat, "At least they all give 100% so credit there." Sharpie did his nut.
"100% effort should be a given, every week, don't be throwing bouquets of flowers at them for that."
We haven't got many leaders. We are far too quiet. Allan and Coleman are the only leaders we have.
11 Posted 04/01/2021 at 20:48:48
I'm reading accounts of your Prime Minister's announcement but I'm not quite grasping the implications.
ps: New York just announced the first confirmed US case of the new virus variant. Thanks a lot, guys.
12 Posted 04/01/2021 at 20:52:02
Our Prime Minister is not grasping the implications either.
13 Posted 04/01/2021 at 20:58:43
14 Posted 04/01/2021 at 20:59:56
15 Posted 04/01/2021 at 21:14:36
That is what my kids ask from the back seat, when we're are on a journey. They like to take the piss and ask it at the and of our road. They think it's funny.
With Ancelotti, the destination seems like it's going to be exotic. Not Skeggy or Cleethorpes but the Isle of Capri. Expectations are high and there's a bit of excitement.
Sam above shows what is close to consensus as our first choice team. (I'd rather have Mason than Seamus as right-back at the moment).
Even with that team, I would not go as far as saying we are nearly there. There's core areas that need back up and strengthening. There's half-a-dozen players on massive contracts that need moving on. The refreshing of the squad is only 30% done.
What makes me optimistic that we are on the right path to being “nearly there” is the players Carlo Ancelotti has brought in during his first real transfer window. Allan, Doucouré and Ben Godfrey. Really good additions. James Rodriguez is box office Hollywood, raises the profile of the whole club, we just need to get him properly fit and injury free to get what we need on the pitch out of him.
So Andy, not nearly there but about a third of the way and going, stutteringly, in the right direction.
16 Posted 04/01/2021 at 21:24:16
17 Posted 05/01/2021 at 06:59:41
No I'm not saying it was easy to win the trophys Carlo has won over the years.
What I AM saying it it was a fucking sight easier to win these trophies with all those incredibly talented players to choose from. the names (too numerous to list) simply drip off the tongue. No manager in history comes anywhere near close to inheriting the amount of truly world class footballers.
Look; I'm not here to begrudge Carlo his place in the haul of fame. He has earned it...I just don't think he had to perform miracles to achieve his success... WE require a miracle.
I didnt just start talking about Carlos career this season. I penned an article on this very site about him before he even got here. I know his career.I know he has not always covered himself in glory.
When I see so many falling over themselves in gratitude that such a successful manager has deemed us worthy of his services. I can only assume they are totally blind to the flip side of his CV.
Yes he has managed famous clubs like Parma, Juve, Milan, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Munich and Napoli, but despite having all those world class players at his disposal. SIX of those seven clubs have ended up firing him out of a cannon.
World class players like Stoichkov and Zola fucked off because of his tactics. Half a dozen Munich players went to the board to complain about his out-dated methods. They pleaded for him to be sacked.
Contrary to what some would have you believe, Carlo has not always been an incredible success. He has had some proper howlers. If anything, He should in fact have won an awful lot more
We are talking about a guy who somehow managed his team of world class players to squander a three goal lead against a very ordinary Liverpool in a CL final.
We are talking about a guy who blew a league title despite having a five point lead with three games to go.
We are talking about a guy who has a very definite flip side to his CV.
A guy who's failures have been every bit as spectacular as his success's
I don't agree with your claim that he has improved our attack and our defence. He has put the handbrake on a veritable scoring machine by sacrificing the supply line in order to defend in greater numbers.
Defending in numbers is NOT the same as improving your defence - Thats were those who supported big Sam got it so badly wrong
I'm not trying to change your mind Rob. I think only Carlo himself can do that. I'm simply responding to the questions you have raised and defending my point.
You will not change my mind by basing your entire argument on Carlos achievements in a former life either.
For me, Carlo's CV is totally irrelevant with Regards to this job. Its like talking up the chances of a horse that won the Derby and the Arc five years ago in this years Grand national.
That wont stop people churning it out a daily basis.
The only reason I have even spoke about it, is to draw their attention to the fact that there is more than one side to it.
18 Posted 05/01/2021 at 08:26:23
Carlo's motivational skills might be a bit out of kilter too, given the second half's continuation of the first half's sideways, backwards and kick-into-opponents' backsides passing in the cowardly debacle against West Ham the other night.
19 Posted 05/01/2021 at 08:28:47
20 Posted 05/01/2021 at 08:50:44
21 Posted 05/01/2021 at 09:09:41
Memory playing tricks there. You're not wrong.
22 Posted 05/01/2021 at 09:57:24
I put the following on the Premier League – Week 17 thread, but it's probably better here:
LFC have not got a major injury problem, apart from one player, Van Dijk. He is their defensive piece that led them from nearly winning trophies to winning a couple. And his absence reveals their weaknesses again, which were evident before they signed him. That's why they go on about him being injured, but they pretend it's part of a bigger injury crisis, which it simply isn't.
Everton, on the other hand, have had, and are still having, an injury crisis. But the media ignore that. And despite that crisis, we still have enough quality to be contending at the top of the league.
One thing that is worse than the media bias, is the pessimisim of some posters on ToffeeWeb, which I believe stems from an unconscious bias influenced by the red media bias. Some on here simply cannot believe we can compete and are currently competing; they are constantly looking for explanations for our good results in terms of luck or the opposition playing badly. This unconscious bias extends to constant criticism of our current manager, despite our current competing in the face of the injury crisis.
Chaps, some of you really need to get a grip, see through the bias, and appreciate the reality. Beware of propaganda, it's very powerful, and can and does sway you against the very team you support without you realising it.
We've spent enough money on quality players, and finally a quality manager, to achieve success this season. We can win the Premier League, but we certainly won't unless we believe we can. Such belief is based on the current reality, not on blind faith.
23 Posted 05/01/2021 at 10:08:08
Ferguson was incharge of Man Utd for 25 years he failed to win the title in half of those years. He lost the title with more or less the last kick of the season to Man City. Our last trophy win was against one of his best United teams does that make him a busted flush failure or is he the greatest British manager ever?
Mourihno at Spurs has had his good and bad times. He has still won things, his team's tend to be very functional but he wins stuff.
Moshiri has put 2 & 2 together and appointed Ancelotti on his previous track record in the hope that he can progress us.
The purchase of Godfrey has definitely improved the defence he is like a young Jagielka. The defending from set pieces has definitely improved from the previous regime.
The addition of Allan and Dacoure have helped the defence and Attack with their work rate.
The signing of Rodriguez has given us guile, class and improved the supply line to the attack.
He isn't a miracle worker but in 12 months we have improved.
24 Posted 05/01/2021 at 10:27:03
Blaming RS success for our feelings of doom is typical of our tribe. Face the facts and try to enjoy following a constantly ordinary team and ignore the Big Six – or is it Seven these days?
25 Posted 05/01/2021 at 11:01:54
The elite sport is allowed to continue but apart from that the rest of football has been put on hold. But it seems as though the Marine v Spurs FA Cup game will at the moment go ahead. I am sure Paul Leary the Chairman of Marine will be delighted to realize Marine are now an elite team if for only 1 day. I am not sure what will happen to games in the FA Cup which doesn't have an elite club involved will happen. I know the fantastic response from mainly Spurs fans buying reality tickets for the game has made a lot of money for Marine, so well done to Spurs fans a marvellous gesture.
Well, with only days left and with your President getting evermore desperate to stay in power, I see the previous 10 defence chiefs have told the army not to get involved in Trump's manoeuvrings. Seems according to reports the only avenue open to him to stay in power is to declare war on somebody and use emergency powers to stay in power. So I guess Iran looks like his favoured country to attack.
26 Posted 05/01/2021 at 11:44:31
27 Posted 05/01/2021 at 11:53:59
28 Posted 05/01/2021 at 12:47:48
16 league games played = 29 points
An average of 1.81 points per game
1.81 x 38 = 69 points for the season
Current top of the league
17 games played = 33 points
An average of 1.94 points per game
1.94 x 38 = 74 points for the season
I think we would of taken that at the end of last season and especially around the Christmas before last.
29 Posted 05/01/2021 at 13:12:56
The truth is, they are heavily dependent on a few key players, like most (probably all) sides are, and weaknesses are exposed without them. Just like us, but our injury toll has been higher, and when our weaknesses are thus exposed too many on here do the usual ‘jam tomorrow shite where were supposedly a ‘work in progress, ‘need more transfer windows, and other excuses for asserting that we cannot compete at the top NOW.
This is the mentality problem, and it has got to stop, otherwise it will ALWAYS be jam tomorrow. This mentality problem falls right into the hands of red propaganda shite.
30 Posted 05/01/2021 at 13:13:37
31 Posted 05/01/2021 at 14:09:55
32 Posted 05/01/2021 at 14:39:38
Derek @ 28, that is excellent, 69 points for the season. Points are facts! The rest is just opinion.
33 Posted 05/01/2021 at 14:48:12
The conversation about Ancelotti has got a bit ridiculous now. The fact is, hes here, its better him being here than some no-mark like weve had before, he deserves full support, whilst at the same time being subject to ongoing assessment (like any employee), positive and negative as the case may be. Any other discussion about it, either over-praise or scepticism, is tedious.
34 Posted 05/01/2021 at 14:51:56
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW?
I mean, did he phone you, and everybody else who thinks similar, before taking the job, just to let you know that he was only coming for the money, or maybe drop you a line?
So come on, I'm intrigued as to how you and others, know he only came for the money?
35 Posted 05/01/2021 at 15:04:14
This was the PL table after our 1-1 draw at Burnley:
This is the PL table today:
Even with the woeful home defeat to WHU, this has been the points swing between those two dates, listed in order of positions after game 11.
The following names the team, the points Everton has gained (+) against that team in this time frame, or lost (-) against them. The final column shows how many games MORE than Everton each team has played in this time frame (+). A dash (-) shows we have played an equal number of games played:
Team Pts difference Games Played
1 Spurs + 7 -
2 L'pool +5 +1
3 Chelsea +7 +1
4 Leicester +1 +1
5 S'ton +3 +1
6 United -2 -
7 City +1 -
8 WHU +3 +1
10 Wolves +7 +1
11 Villa + 1 +1
All but 3 teams - Spurs, United and City - have all played one more game than us. We have gained points against 9 teams. Only United have had better form than us in December, as this from table from game 12 to 17 shows:
I will repeat for a third time in recent days:
We're doing all right.
36 Posted 05/01/2021 at 15:07:44
37 Posted 05/01/2021 at 15:13:47
At the start of this season, we showed this, with economy of effort, making the ball do more of the work, control and confidence, where Rodriguez played a large steadying part. A refreshing change from the over-emphasis on turgid gegenpressing in the British game over the last few years, Man City being the exception in terms of football quality.
This economy of effort, of thought over cross-country running, has characterised the very best Everton sides, and what we saw at the start of the season was a reminder of it.
38 Posted 05/01/2021 at 15:16:39
39 Posted 05/01/2021 at 15:24:23
Very good post mate
The way the wages are repeatedly brought up is laughable.
You would think the moaners were paying the wages themselves the carry on out of them.
What has it got to do with ANY fan how much the manager is getting.
As for the other stick used, "we only employed him because of his past history"
WTF else do you they expect?
Mr Moshiri to an audience of architects" thank you for applying to be the architect for design of stadium.
Leave your name and contact number on the desk. No further info required. Not interested in what you have built previously. "
40 Posted 05/01/2021 at 15:37:49
41 Posted 05/01/2021 at 15:48:50
That said, I'm not convinced our nearest and dearest will make top 2 so who knows.
42 Posted 05/01/2021 at 16:06:34
Personally speaking I can see the improvement he has made at the club and continues to make.
It takes more than 12 months to get the club to where we want it to be but to be within 4 points of top spot with a game in hand despite some horrendous results and performances speaks volumes to me.
This manager knows what he is doing and a bunch of negativity from certain Evertonians does not help the cause.
I couldnt care less if Carlo was on 100m a year as long as he is getting the job done he will do for me.
43 Posted 05/01/2021 at 16:06:57
44 Posted 05/01/2021 at 16:15:52
Year on year, Evertons in a better league position and are a work in progress, but there will be bad days at the office, like last Friday evening, that was a very bad performance.
The world runs on in every EPL club, but direct parallels cant be made as each club is in constant eveloution, as are their squads.
So reference to Fat Sam, could draw parallels with Howard Kendal mk1, as a manager or The Cat., and bad days and good days at Everton.
Its irrelevant now as, like my self at times, Its human nature, to become a prisoner of the past, in life and In football and matters Everton, related.
Carlo Ancellottis CV, is proven, a testimony of football achievement, ( but people, will have failures, and difficult periods as in normal life), good as any top manager in Europe, how and if he can add battle honours whilst at Everton, remains to be seen, but to write off, and subjugate him, in early January 2021, is baffling.
We want good football, and to win, but all considered would some rather be where we was 3 years ago...
Does media and marketing perception of EFC, count and is it important?
Yes, and good football counts, yes, very much so, to win in style and manner, but more so! To win.
As, Rob has said, as who knows, how and why, its all hyperbola, unless proven.
Results speak, lets see where Everton are in May or whenever the season is completed.
As a Jay has said, and proven by result based facts, Everton, have improved, and are hanging in, with some key players, long term injured.
Chewing the crud, on life and TW, but tough times for man kind, lets hope Everton, can morph, into a team that can be successful and win honours and qualify for Europe, this season.
45 Posted 05/01/2021 at 16:31:52
46 Posted 05/01/2021 at 16:36:17
Although, how you can view such a projection as pessimistic perplexes me somewhat, as we haven't finished as close to the eventual Champions, other than actually being Champions, since the "Double Runner-Up" season of 1985/6. If Carlo gets us close enough to finish within 10 points of the eventual Champions this season then we'll be doing more than alright!
I agree with your assessment as to where we are, but you're looking to counter a point I'm not making.
47 Posted 05/01/2021 at 18:12:37
The loss through injury of our 2 fullbacks showed this as all though Holgate and Godfrey were good replacements on the defensive side they did not provide the attacking options of Digne and Coleman, and this reduced the supply for D.C.L. and Richarlison. With the loss of form from Gomes and Davies not being 100% comfortable in the positions he is asked to play in, this is a weak area when we loose a player like Allan.
Ancelotti's problem is he wants us to get into Europe this season but has had to use what is available at the club. The transfer window being open gives him a chance to bring in 1/2 more players while selling 4/5 other players. I am like a number of other supporters who would like to see some young players tried, but stepping up from youth and under 23 teams into the premier is not easy, and not able to watch the development of these young players, have to rely on the manager and his staff to decide what level they are at.
This window I expect Ancelotti will go for the more experienced player or players for the midfield and backup for D.C.L. We are not established enough to sign young players for the first 11 and squad, and if we qualify for Europe next season, then it will be time to giving young players a chance.
As the comments say Ancelotti is not used to building a team but has always had top quality players to work with, but to me, he has brought in and developed quality players, and the future will look a lot better with more recruitment's. The last game was poor but Everton are not the only team in the premier that has poor games.
It took Liverpool 30 yrs to win the premier league and took Klopp 4/5 yrs to build a team to do it.
Its a shame supporters are doubting our manager after 1 yr.
48 Posted 05/01/2021 at 19:39:29
The only reason Ancelotti's CV is relevant to those who are so outraged, is because they are clearly missing a very simple point. Nobody is saying the CV was irrelevant in getting him the job. I know that suits the foolish strawman response, but doesn't address the point which was actually made.
I doubt there is anybody out there who doesn't realise his past deeds were the only reason soft-arse Moshiri got it wrong again. The point being made, is that his CV is completely and utterly irrelevant to the job he will do now he's here. It's of no consequence whatsoever. What a man could do in the past is of no consequence if he is no longer able to do it anymore.
Let me put it another way: When Carl Ancelotti was being taken to school by the weeping German, Steve Bruce, Marcello Bielsa, or the baby faced Norwegian (to name but a few), his past glories were of no earthy good to him.
Winning trophies with players like Pirlo and Zidane years ago, did not stop him looking like the Lion from the Wizard of Oz when The Ginger Twat eye-balled him last week.
And where did this idea of his wages being of no consequence come from??? For a £55M contract, Moshiri could have attracted some of the finest most innovative young hungry coaches in the world. Unfortunately, he blew it on a sixty-something busted flush who plays ugly football and hasn't won a trophy in years.
You'll soon see the relevance...
49 Posted 05/01/2021 at 19:49:00
50 Posted 05/01/2021 at 19:49:59
51 Posted 05/01/2021 at 19:56:40
52 Posted 05/01/2021 at 19:59:52
53 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:02:49
54 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:03:59
55 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:07:51
It was reported that he would earn £11M a year at the time.
More than happy to accept it was a £40M contract. Especially as I often quote the figures I get from this site.
That still makes him one of the highest-paid managers in the world. As you say, if he gets us Champions League football, it'll be money well spent, but, if he doesn't, he will become the latest in a long line of expensive failures hired by Moshiri.
56 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:10:08
57 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:13:05
That's a coffee-spitter-outer! Brilliant!
58 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:14:29
60 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:18:33
My point in that post at 50 is that we are, repeatedly, told "We can get a better manager for the wages."
When asked "Who?" they can't give names.
61 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:28:26
62 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:32:18
The last figure I read was that he was on something comparable to Koeman's £6m/year.
63 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:34:18
I doubt anyone on this site would have seen it in The Sun...
64 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:36:20
65 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:41:14
There is a finite amount we have to spend. Once it's gone, it's gone. No club can afford to waste £40-50M.
66 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:41:56
67 Posted 05/01/2021 at 20:45:36
68 Posted 05/01/2021 at 21:04:27
Tom Davies is on £25k per week. I could find many, many better midfielders for that wage.
It's a daft game that anyone can play.
69 Posted 05/01/2021 at 21:07:58
70 Posted 05/01/2021 at 21:14:27
71 Posted 05/01/2021 at 21:21:17
72 Posted 05/01/2021 at 21:21:29
73 Posted 05/01/2021 at 21:23:07
74 Posted 05/01/2021 at 21:25:04
75 Posted 05/01/2021 at 21:45:42
Bring in Jordan Hadaway... yes, Jordan Hadaway. He's a Blue too so on par with Dunc and Rhino and therefore far better than an outsider. Jordan won't cost much.
Don't say you weren't told.
76 Posted 05/01/2021 at 22:18:02
77 Posted 06/01/2021 at 03:53:01
You can cut and slice, shape and bend to suit an opinion but the reality he is the best manager we have had by far for many a year.
What we have not got is a team that can deliver (yet) the silverware we long for; this is the project, this is the plan and realistically it's not going to happen with the squad we have. No magic wand or motivational talk, no amount of training or tactical nouse will turn a sow's ear into a gem. That's not to say there is no point because some players will benefit, others not.
Me, I am happy to see how all this unfolds, see who arrives and goes, it's transition, not play instant lotto.
78 Posted 06/01/2021 at 08:50:30
Carlo has inherited a squad choc-full of seasoned internationals. Yet we are led to believe the players are useless and are always the problem. He can't be expected to beat the world-class journeymen of Leeds, Southampton and Newcastle... he has inherited pure shite.
Yet, when these useless players beat teams like Chelsea and Leicester, it's because Carlo has improved them... but they are back to being "pure shite" when Carlo's cowardice is exposed by the likes of Steve Bruce, Marcelo Bielsa, or The Ginger Twat.
We can all get to our feet singing "Sixty grand, sixty grand, Seamus Coleman"... but the amount we paid becomes "irrelevant" where Carlo is concerned? Its bollocks.
I can't reason with people who will deny Zola left Carlo because of tactical reasons and instead, insist he left for the millions Abromovich was offering... Five years before Roman even got to Chelsea. Or with people who will contentedly plough through reams and reams of apologism, but think they are watching Bill Murray when the minority counter-argument comes back.
I can't understand how anyone can witness our pug ugly football over the past year and come to the conclusion that "We are already there". Or people who insist our problems are down to the media obsession with the RS... only to go on and repeatedly post about them.
Crackpot posts about architects turning up in their numbers for an interview... The excuses are endless.
There is no point in debate. It's long since been established that it's positive to support a manager who, even after a year, is still setting his team up to bore the arse off anybody watching them... But it's negative to rail against it?
It doesn't matter that we have bought a rusty old Bentley with an engine that sounds like a biscuit tin being shaken... It is still a Bentley, Right? Who gives a fuck how much we paid for it?
I blame Jordan Hadaway....
79 Posted 06/01/2021 at 09:00:16
"Enough of the crap"
80 Posted 06/01/2021 at 09:19:20
I also remember that at the time Ancellotti joined us, the reported £11m was for him and his staff.
But let's not let the facts get in the way of an opportunity to slag off this washed up, useless, money grabbing waster, eh? Wait six months and the Ancellotti haters can have their hero, Big Sam, back.
81 Posted 06/01/2021 at 09:20:46
You say "it's transition, not play instant lotto."
That's a fine analogy – instant lotto!
82 Posted 06/01/2021 at 15:50:39
You actually pulled me up on a similar point, about it needing to be the same people for an inconsistency, on another thread recently, and I accepted the point, which is an obvious one I initially overlooked. How about you now accepting the same point, unless you care to identify any individuals who are inconsistent in the way described?
I certainly havent been inconsistent in this respect, as you could verify by examining my posts, so your point isnt relevant to me, and possibly most if not all others on here. How about it?
83 Posted 06/01/2021 at 16:31:20
I tend not to either plough through reams and reams etc as you suggest or suggest the Groundhog Day reference when the counter argument from the minority comes back.
I referenced the Bill Murray film because you not only come back with the same counter argument every time but more or less the same post.
I actually don't disagree with the main gist of your point/s regarding Ancelotti, but by fuck man you make the same one over and over and over again, and it's fucking boring.
At least you realise you repeat more or less the same post over and over otherwise you wouldn't have known it was you I was referring to when I referenced Groundhog Day.
We get the message! Ancelotti is yesterday's man, a busted flush, a coward, blah blah blah.
84 Posted 06/01/2021 at 18:37:38
I know what you mean, but I don't say the same thing every time. In fact, I search for new ways to counter the never-ending posts telling us how lucky we are to have Carlo. Or how successful he used to be – you know all those many many posts you don't ever complain about.
You are right though. No matter how many ways I find to criticise our boy, it all comes down to the same thing – busted flush, coward... blah blah blah – it must be so annoying
The reason I said I quit trying to swim against this tidal wave of opposition is because it's too exhausting. There are just too many posts from people marveling at the trophies Carlo used to win. I know you have seen them all and I know you know they all basically come down to the same thing – Carlo is Fantastico... I also know (despite your claims) that you are overwhelmingly in favour and you never complain about all those posts being repetitive
The good news is, Brian, you can sit back and mainly read the unquestioning support of those posters who will only ever offer their support for Carlo – the ones you never complain about.
But before I depart these debates, a little tip if for you if I may, Brian: If you don't want to read stuff from a particular poster, just skate over it. It worked a treat for me with a guy who for years has banged on about how many bottles of Desperados he could drink.
Anyway, Brian, it's a fair cop. No matter how many chinks I find Carlo's armour, it all boils down to the same thing. I just don't want him here.
I'll leave you to sift through dozens and dozens of unopposed posts telling you how lucky we are to have a guy who used to win things... Who knows? You may get another thread when two people post over 100 times between them telling us how wonderful he is and how swimmingly things are going.
I know that will be wonderful for you. Personal experience has taught me that one never quite feels as if one is watching Bill Murray when one secretly agrees with every word
Chill out Brian. Get yourself a drink. I hear there is a nice Tequila flavored pale ale you may want to try. Pour a few port-and-lemons in too. You never know who'll be popping round.
See you on the EitC thread.
85 Posted 06/01/2021 at 18:53:20
You need a good growl like the rest of us need oxygen.
87 Posted 06/01/2021 at 19:51:53
Me, I'm currently still in Specsavers on this one. Carlo's CV shows us all that he is a past winner of many trophies and, as such, is the most successful manager Everton have ever employed but, as Darren has continuously stated, past performance is no guarantee of future returns.
The squad that he has inherited maybe choc-full of international players but most have been bottle jobs season after season and have always fallen short when the pressure was on and maybe even Pep would struggle to get a consistent tune out of most of them.
For me, Carlo will get more time to hopefully recruit more quality into the team and see how we then go on with challenging the Sky darlings and finally landing some silverware.
Until that happens, the king may be the most successful manager that we've ever had who achieved no more than any of the previous Moshiri incumbents and the number of people looking at a swinging dick may rise quicker than a covid tier level.
88 Posted 07/01/2021 at 10:24:38
Regarding Darren (Hind), he says his piece, wears his heart on his sleeve, never sits on the fence, Ive never met Darren but Ill guarantee if Carlo turns it round and gets us back to where we can be, Darren wont hide, hell be on here with his hands held up admitting he got it wrong. I long for that time, not to see Darren proved wrong, but to see what all Evertonians want to see, Everton back on top.
89 Posted 07/01/2021 at 11:33:15
Following the same logic, Everton should offer the national minimum wage to new players we hope to sign next summer.
90 Posted 07/01/2021 at 19:48:51
Then I realised my mistake. Having experience is no requirement for the job and with Jordan having experience of managing Caerwys FC, well, that was a big negative.
Then, of course, having a manager getting paid is another no-no. I thought Jordan being on minimum wage might be acceptable but then I realised as he is over 17, we'd have to up his hourly rate from £4.55 to £6.45. Nightmare and well over the top.
I'm not sure where we go from here? No manager perhaps, remember we just picked our teams in the school playground between ourselves, might be better, eh?
Anyone is better than Ancelotti – even Allardyce??????
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