Has Dominic Calvert-Lewin already peaked?

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The insistent drumbeat of click-bait media speculation at the moment includes an increasingly persistent rumour now doing the rounds that suggests Everton would allow their star striker, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, to leave the club this summer — in exchange for a very substantial transfer fee.

It has taken patient work over the last five seasons that has seen Calvert-Lewin improve as a striker, in fits and starts at least to the point where he passed the iconic 20-goals-a-season target, scoring 16 in 33 Premier League games where he finally seemed to have mastered the art of goal hanging for tap-ins from inside the 6-yard box.

But some other skills expected of the best strikers — not least the ability to put your foot through the ball and drive it with power unerringly toward goal — have continued to elude him. Is this what lies behind the remarkable suggestion that he may have already ‘peaked' — at the tender age of just 24!?

The itinerant rumour-mongers claim that Arsenal are leading the quest to sign Everton's main source of goals, with a fee in the region of £50M being mooted. But Everton fans who have supported Calvert-Lewin through his growing pains to finally see him produce the goods at senior level will be less than pleased if yet another young star leaves the club rather than continues to develop his shooting skills under the tutelage of Duncan Ferguson.

Surely, of the precious few goalscorers now on the club's books, he can be counted on to deliver that increasingly rare commodity of goals that Everton were in such desperate need of as the side sank to finish 10th in the Premier League before Carlo Ancelotti was all-too-easily persuaded to jump ship and abandon the ‘project'.

There's no doubt that much work needs to be done to further develop the latent talent that still lurks inside the man with the incredible salmon-like leap. But for Everton to decide that now is the time to cash in and presumably reinvest a substantial profit on the Sheffield youngster whose services they acquired for just £1.5M back in 2016 seems unusually aggressive to the point of being foolhardy, and a potential criminal indictment of his training at Finch Farm if he should go on to further improve Under New Management.

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Daniel A Johnson
1 Posted 25/06/2021 at 12:40:45
Maybe he has peaked but I'd get rid of the happiest man in the Premier League, Richarlison, before Dom.
Colin Glassar
2 Posted 25/06/2021 at 13:05:51
I agree with Daniel A.
Danny O’Neill
3 Posted 25/06/2021 at 13:18:46
Food for thought.

I'd rather not lose him now, unless we have a replacement lined up and Everton don't have the history to provide me with confidence there.

He's come on no end. His in the box play and carving out goals has rapidly progressed this season.

I've said before, the difference between him and Kane is that Kane can do it outside the box too.

You can coach positional awareness, coach a striker to anticipate, gamble and get into the right place at the right time. Can you coach power in the shot from range? I'm not so sure. There's much more an element of naturalness about that. Just like pace. We can make Michael Keane do sprint shuttles all day but he won't get faster, just tired.

I wouldn't say Dominic has peaked, but would agree with the sentiment. The style of player you see is what you've got. I think he will get better, but only at what he does now providing the team plays to his strengths, as with any striker.

Personally I'd rather not lose him right now, but thats down to who the manager is I suppose, how he wants to play and what personnel he has in mind to play his way.

John Keating
4 Posted 25/06/2021 at 13:27:15
Ridiculous to even contemplate selling him
Robert Tressell
5 Posted 25/06/2021 at 13:27:29
DCL is a really good player. With crap service, no rest and very little support he's a 15(+) league goal a season man. None us know what his peak might be in a genuinely good side with quality attacking talent to provide support and assists. Probably a bit short of absolute top class but we've got plenty of other positions to worry about more than DCL.
Ian Burns
6 Posted 25/06/2021 at 13:29:38
Only one player I would like to see leave EFC and his name begins with “I” and ends in “I”.

DCL is still learning his trade and most certainly hasn't peaked. DF appears to have done a good job of bringing him on and CA pointed the way to finishing with the one touch. He just needs a top coach to come in and continue believing in him, building his confidence to try his luck from outside the box.

Tom Harvey
7 Posted 25/06/2021 at 13:30:54
Yes he's peaked.

He'll never be another Aguero or Kane, he just doesn't have it in those "whites of the eyes" combat situations with goalies.

Should we sell him?

Depends if the money is right and what replaces him.

Ultimately the clubs looking at him will have noticed what we've noticed (he's no Aguero) and will adjust there offers accordingly.

Richarlison, we should cash in on him and I suspect he'll be gone if there's any interest.

Barry Rathbone
8 Posted 25/06/2021 at 13:34:55
Just have to accept these things it's how footy works and can be a good thing.

Wenger started his Arsenal revolution on the back of selling peak Anelka and Leicester progressed after Mahrez, Kante and Chillwell left. Liverpool won the CL after losing Owen and more recently improved after Torres, Suarez and Coutinho went.

DCL is decent but hardly irreplaceable

Barry Hesketh
9 Posted 25/06/2021 at 13:47:38
James, probably gone already, Richarlison missing for the early part of the season if he gets his way by playing at the Olympics, or worse he gets a sulk on because the club says he can't go to the Olympics.

Benitez appointed to the chagrin of many Evertonians and then because some think that Dominic is at his peak, we sell him for £40-50m is this really a recipe for success?

Stand by for operation 'park the bus' because if we remove players who score goals we'll have to defend our area for 90% of the time at home and away. What joy it is to be alive!

Tony Everan
10 Posted 25/06/2021 at 13:56:04
No he's not peaked yet, that will be in his late twenties.

We need better supply to him, with better quality crosses from more advanced positions. A right sided attacking forward/midfielder like Perrieira will deliver even more goals for Dom. He is a player we should be building a team around, not contemplating selling.

If Richarlison wants to go, so be it. Get top dollar for him. Re invest in a left sided attacking midfielder who can create assists for DCL from that side too.

Mark Ryan
11 Posted 25/06/2021 at 13:57:56
Slightly off topic but if he was sold I'd like to see us go for the Eritrean lad from Real Sociedad, the young Swede.
I'd sooner keep Dom and Richarlison but if either followed Ancellotti then go for the Swede, Isak ? Alexander Isak, what a good prospect and what a future he has
Kieran Kinsella
12 Posted 25/06/2021 at 14:05:02

You stuck three players together that left Leicester in different eras. They didn't progress when Kante and Mahrez left they went from being champions to a relegation battle and sacked the manager. Then they were mediocre for some years before getting into the Europa.

Mick O'Malley
13 Posted 25/06/2021 at 14:09:58
We all have our own opinions on him but I would sell him for that ridiculous amount of money, he has come on leaps and bounds and he's great in the air but as already mentioned above his shooting is powderpuff, he also goes through purple patches where he'll bag a few in a row then go half a dozen or more without troubling the goal, if he is worth £50 million on the back of a half decent season then the game has gone, I wouldn't miss him if he went but that's just my personal opinion
Alex Fox
14 Posted 25/06/2021 at 14:16:54
Given that only the much-maligned European superstar Romelu Lukaku has scored more league goals in a season for Everton than DCL in the last 35 years, I'd say he's reached a pretty good level for a 24-year-old.

He'll be good for 12-20 league goals a season for the next half decade. It's the goals around him that we need to find. We need at least 2 more players in the squad that can hit double figures. To think of selling DCL for £50m - the same price as Arsenal are apparently spending on Ben White - is ridiculous.

Dave Evans
15 Posted 25/06/2021 at 14:25:16
All Players have flaws. Have you seen Harry Kane play recently? And he is 28 and supposed to be the finished deal.

A club with a big club mentality would have kept the likes of Stones and Lukaku.

We do not live up to our motto by contemplating getting rid our few best players. We should replace those who are bog average.

James Flynn
16 Posted 25/06/2021 at 14:40:10
Here's a first. One of our moderators creating our own clickbait into the Rumour Mill.

Ian Bennett
17 Posted 25/06/2021 at 14:44:29
£50m for a 24 year old England international who has scored a shit load of goals? Yet we are quoted £30m for the likes of Iwobi, Keane, Aaron's.

If hes sold, the bidding needs to be £75m minimum.

Buy high, sell low - wtf.

Michael Kenrick
19 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:07:57
Wish I could claim I'd created it, Jimmy (maybe the catchy headline)... but – as stated – the click-bait rumours were already out there:

“The guidance I have, is that Everton think Calvert-Lewin is very valuable and they wonder whether he's reached the peak of his development.

“My personal view, and it's not relevant is that I see him as still improving and I like what I see, but experts within Everton have a sense that he's reached his peak.” – Duncan Castles

Just providing a conduit for comment, as it were...

Perhaps another telling factor is how much a goal-shy England has used him in the Euros?

Kevin Prytherch
20 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:09:02
Have we heard ourselves???

We said the same about Lukaku and then spent the next 5 years complaining we didn't have a goal scorer.

Dave Abrahams
21 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:17:08
Michael (18), what's your opinion Michael, would you keep DCL or sell him for the rumoured £50M?
Ajay Gopal
22 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:24:00
Madness to even think of selling Dominic, just when he has had a break out season. This is typical small club mentality - we should build around him, I agree with Tony Everan there. Yes, players like Matheus Pereira, Diaby, St. Maximin as well as a quality right back to keep raining the crosses in will create more chances for DCL. Is DCL the finished article? Definitely not - but I expect him to get better under a coach like Potter or Nuno or Martinez even. Out of Richarlison and DCL, I would cash in on Richarlison to strengthen the squad.
Michael Kenrick
23 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:25:06
Hello Dave,

I don't think he'll get much better. I'm not convinced it's poor supply – there were a shitload of god-awful misses last season. But, if he had better players around him creating more chances, then, by the infamous Law of Averages, he would score more... and miss more!

I've never liked him very much because he couldn't and cannot shoot properly. That just drives me batshit crazy. So I don't think I'd miss him in exchange for £50M. But we'd need to get a proper striker in... or promoted from the Academy!

Maybe Broadhead is just gagging for it!!!

Steve Brown
24 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:26:23
Amazing how we are persuading ourselves to sell England's second stiker for £25 million below his market value.
Ian Pilkington
25 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:35:03
Sell DCL, get £50M and sell Kean as well.
Then we can get…er….three no 10s again?
Never mind, we'll still have Tosun.
Raymond Fox
26 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:36:22
Michael we know you don't rate Calvin-Lewin and he does have flaws in his game, but he has scored well off poor service nevertheless.
If we want to be among the elite again we cant sell our
best players, unless we have a better one lined up.
It does make it doubly difficult for clubs in our position to reach the top because when your City, Utd etc come calling for a player they invariably want to go.

I cant see another way to get out of our pridicament other than Moshiri having a gigantic splurge on top players ala Man City. (sorry for the repetitive solution but I cant see another}.

If we can make a long term breakthough we will become a truly massive club again theres no question about that.

James Marshall
27 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:37:28
Selling your best striker? Isn't that what the 'small clubs' tend to do?

Dear Mr Benitez

Kieran Kinsella
28 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:44:37
Leopard can't change his spots. The spots may get darker if he builds up his melanin reserves. The spots may start to fade due to sun exposure or alkaline exposure from the desert sand. But the spots won't disappear and be replaced by new spots. DCL is a poor finisher. He improved with his tap ins, as anyone should. He is great at headers. But he's not going to suddenly learn how to be a proper finisher in his mid 20s. But he's good enough with his headers and tap ins that we should hold onto him unless we suddenly find a hundred million to buy someone better.
Allan Board
29 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:45:27
Take a look at Lukaku. Best striker at the Euros.
And Kenwright sold him. So yes, sell the only goal scorer we have again! Take a look at Stones, best Central Defender England have. And Kenwright sold him. So yes, flog Godfrey for bugger all too!! Pickford, England's best passer and 2nd only to the Italian keeper at the Euros, sell him!
The Everton mind set that.
Considering we have awful movement /delivery from wide areas, Dom has done just fine. He would score 25 plus in a decent team.
But he's English, so castigate him and let the spoilt brat Brazilian stay who just falls over, ruining our attacks, thus forcing us to deliver from free kicks in wide areas, which we can't because our wide player's are shambolic.
Everton that. Everton never learn.
Dave Abrahams
30 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:47:19
Michael (22),fair enough Michael, it's true he did miss a load of chances last season, that can't be denied, I think with a winger who can supply a few good crosses per game then Dominic with his very good heading ability would take advantage and add to his goal tally. I think his hold up play is very good and improving, but up on his own for long spells doesn't help especially with the amount of balls he wins in the air but nobody following up to those flick ons. I think he can improve his all round game, look at Kane now at twenty eight, not doing too good at the moment regarding scoring but his movement and passing ability has improved enormously in the last two seasons and adds a lot to his goalscoring ability which will never fade, IMO, so I think/ hope there is quite a bit to come from DCL and I hope it is with the Blues.
Brian Williams
31 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:49:52
More media bullshit with some trying their very hardest to sell one of our players to someone more fashionable than us.
And the £50m price tag quoted is a complete and utter fucking joke.
If Kane's worth £100m then his international stand in, soon to be international replacement (I hope) is worth £75m minimum.
Has he peaked?
Has he fuck.
Should we sell?
Should we fuck.
Should the media fuck off?
Yes they should.
Should I fuck off?
Yes, I have.
Trevor Peers
32 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:53:17
Being with the England squad, DCL has no doubt had his head turned with talk of a possible move to a bigger club. If he stays, stand by for a goal drought and lack of interest next season. The same happened with Richarlison last season, his form plummeted, he is also still rumoured to be looking for a move.

The first thing that any new manager needs to sort out is our attacking options, or we will be looking at a minus goal difference again and probably a flirtation with the relegation zone, happy days.

Rob Halligan
33 Posted 25/06/2021 at 15:57:07
Brian, the fact that Arsenal are willing to pay £50M for Ben White, shows that DCL is worth a lot more. Ben fucking White, a player who was worth probably about £15M - £20M a few weeks back, until he played for England in a friendly, and Is suddenly valued at £50M. Football in this country has definitely gone to the dogs, and I don't mean Danny O'Neills!!
Jay Harris
34 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:05:04
Dominic is about more than scoring goals he is a good footballer and a great athlete.

He has carried the goal burden in a poor team for so long without proper support.

He was up there competing for the golden boot until Carlo spat his dummy out and the team took a dive.

IMO strikers like Dom are in short supply and would and should cost over 100m. Lets see what Harry Kane goes for.

Kieran Kinsella
35 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:07:59
Trevor 31

"DCL has no doubt had his head turned with talk of a possible move to a bigger club" so how is that relevant? No one is talking about a "bigger" club they're talking about Arsenal, another badly run once "big" club with a skinflint owner, a second rate coach and a lousy team.

Trevor Peers
36 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:11:27
It relevant to me Kieran #34, I don't want to be watching a forward line full of players with a shite attitude even if you do.
Oliver Molloy
37 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:16:46
One thing Is fucking certain, if he does go he won't end up in Real Madrid !
Paul Smith
38 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:19:36
Oh yeah his excellent showing in this years Euros makes it a given.
James Flynn
39 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:24:05
"Take a look at Stones, best Central Defender England have. And Kenwright sold him."


The Guardian and BBC reported his sale to City at 47.7 million with potential add-ons! That for a player we paid 3 million for just 3 years previous. At his wheeler-dealer best, Moyes never bought and sold that well. This, for a talented footballer who was a poor defender. Worse, a defender "coached" by Roberto Martinez.

Remember, the Club rejected his attempted move to Chelsea one season and were rejecting his move to City the next, forcing him to put in a transfer request.

Years of information available if you want to give it to Kenwright. Not this.

Kieran Kinsella
40 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:30:41

Sterling is looking around at his England team mates, Kane, Phillips, Grealish, Saka. Do you really think he's going to home in on DCL and say "you know what? you're the perfect man to replace Aguero."

Or do you think Harry Kane who publicly wants to leave Spurs will be tapping him up to join his soon-to-be ex club, or Rashford will be saying "come to Utd and take my place."

Ray Said
41 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:31:42
My opinion is that since joining the England squad he has a tendency to drop deeper to get a touch of the ball. A lot of centre forwards think or are told that they need to 'add more to their game' than 'just goals' so they start dropping off, demanding a touch with their back to the goal then play the ball off and run back towards the goal. If you are like Kane then this can work because he can hit rockets from 30 yards or carve open defences with accurate passing to willing runners. If you are DCL then you don't have these skills or the willing runners so better to stay forward where you can be of use to the team.
John Raftery
42 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:35:56
Well, if we sell our leading scorer, one of the small handful of players in our squad capable of doing his job, who do we imagine will replace him and for what fee? Every striker misses chances. Even Gary Lineker missed more than a few in his one prolific season with us. He and we never worried because the next chance would usually come along within minutes.

Unfortunately that is not the case with the 2021 version of Everton FC. All too frequently our front players have been starved of decent service. People remember Calvert-Lewin's misses more because we create so few scoring opportunities. If we sell him and lose one or two other key players through transfers, injuries or loss of form, a dire relegation struggle beckons.

The idea we might sell him is ludicrous: which means it will probably happen.

Bryan Houghton
43 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:36:13
Trevor 31 - What the hell are you talking about ? "He's obviously had his head turned" How do you KNOW that ? THere's nothing obvious about it at all. Hes said nothing to that effect, the opposite is nearer the mark. THere is nothing about his body language in game, or out of game.
DCL isn't the best striker in the league. Of course he's not. And if he was, we'd have to sell him. Thats how it works.
He's the best we've got tho.
So, yeah criticise him for not being as good as you want him to be if that makes you happy / unhappy, but you are well off the mark for digging him out for having a shit attitude.
Opinions are fine - we all have them, but don't embarrass yourself with an opinion that so clearly flies in the face of the facts.

Andy Crooks
44 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:37:35
Allan@ 28. Lukaku really wasn't pleading to stay. We can offer young players a chance, or players past their best a big pay day. What we haven't been able to do for a long time is hold onto players with ambition.
There aren't many like Baines or Coleman around. Players who take the view that they might have some sort of obligation to win trophies with the club that they signed a lucrative contract for.
Whoever our new coach is, whoever we sign, we are going to need a huge amount of luck. No sign of that for a generation.
Robert Tressell
45 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:37:58
I'd be very surprised if DCL leaves. He doesn't look a good fit for the teams who could realistically afford him - because I doubt we'd sell for less than about £75m.

He's the sort of player (like Rice) who Lampard would have wanted at Chelsea. But Tuchel will want a more polished footballer.

Pat Kelly
46 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:44:49
Rafa will get the best from him
Dale Self
47 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:49:44
Had his head turned a bit, ok I believe that but he's clever enough to know how to develop and he's seen the type that leave early from up close. Another season I'd say before his market comes back since high end deals are strained right now. Depending on the manager selection it could change but on the other side he's the main man and there is no real other option on the table. It would be good for him and us if he stayed without talk.
Fran Mitchell
48 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:51:42
There is absolutely no way to know if he has peaked. But strikers rarely peak at 24.

His development has been sensational. From skinny lad with a bit but not electric pace, every season he's been here he's got better and better.

The first couple he didn't look like he'd ever score many, but would be a 'workhorse'. A solid PL 6-10 goal a season striker with a club between 15-10th.

Then he started getting faster. His pace has improved greatly, not electric acceleration, but once he's in his stride he's flying.

He also started getting bigger and bigger, no longer a skinny lad, he's as strong as an ox and can ruffle the feathers of even the hardest defenders around.

And he's started scoring. 8 goals in 2 consecutive seasons, then almost doubled to 15 and then 21 this last season.

He doesn't look like a one season wonder, because it has come from steady development - not like with the likes of James Beattie who had done nothing only to have one unexpected season of goals (and us the mugs that bought him based on it).

Everything suggests he'll be banging them in for seasons to come. He's got much room for improvement, and his previous suggests he will.

The world Cup is in 18 months or so, and I'm sure he'll be targeting being first choice by then.

Of all the players at the club, DCL is the one I hope stays.

Danny O’Neill
49 Posted 25/06/2021 at 16:55:40
Dave @29, I thought that was evident when we lost Digne for periods after the good start. Dominic had been benefiting from the service Digne was providing. It goest back to playing to the striker's strengths.

I've been honest, some would say critical, about Duncan Ferguson not living up to the potential and legend as a player.

There were other issues with Duncan, namely injury & discipline which meant he wasn't on the pitch as much as we'd have liked. But in his defence and to contradict my honesty / criticism of him, when he was, we too often didn't play to his strengths.

What was the point of having Duncan if you were not going to play wide players getting crosses in? Too often we hit it down the middle to him from deep central positions. As a centre back pairing, one challenges. Even with the knowledge you probably won't win the first ball it, your other centre back can pick up the knock on pieces quite easily.

Back to your point. With a centre forward like Dominic, if you are going to get the best out of him, you need width and crosses. High crosses, low drilled crosses; it matters not, just play with width. Otherwise he's wasted.

Soren Moyer
50 Posted 25/06/2021 at 17:05:55
Fake news!
Trevor Peers
51 Posted 25/06/2021 at 17:37:37
Some daft comments about my suggestion DCL has had his head turned #39 and 42. He's already been quoted as saying 'he's happy at Everton for now'. What are we supposed to read into that comment ?

Some people need to grow up, this is what happens to players on international duty, that's one of the few things we do know about modern football or should do !

Andrew Ellams
52 Posted 25/06/2021 at 17:55:54
I doubt he's going anywhere this summer but I don't think we'll ever get as much for as we would if he did leave now.

He had a flying start to the season but from Nov/Dec on he looked a lot more like the much maligned player from previous years but that could be the clubs fault for not having any sort of backup when he needed a rest.

Peter Mills
53 Posted 25/06/2021 at 18:00:10
Yes, let's sign the lad, watch him make his mistakes, struggle on the wing, finally develop into the much sought-after 20 goal a season player, then flog him. For pity's sake.

What's the obsession with him having to score goals from outside the area? I don't remember Gerd Muller getting many of them. Get some balls into the box and he'll score plenty with one touch.

And poor Michael's match reports would be so less entertaining if Dominic was not there to be berated.

Danny O’Neill
54 Posted 25/06/2021 at 18:27:44
That's the point Peter. It's about understanding the player he is and playing to his strengths.

He's not a complete or all round striker in the sense of Kane or like Grahame Sharpe was, but he has his strengths. If he's in the team, you have to play to them.

Andy Peers
55 Posted 25/06/2021 at 18:37:20
Cash in. His stock is high right now. Lewin, Richarlison and Kean have to be worth close to 200 million. Two of those players will not want to play for us this season and I am sure Dominic's head will be turned. That is a lot of money for new troops. Hopefully Brands would spend the money wisely LOL
David Pearl
56 Posted 25/06/2021 at 19:21:43
We got good money for Stones and got Williams, not the best deal.

We sold Lescott for good money and got Distin, a better player for buttons.

We got good money for Lukaku and replaced him with shite.

We paid buttons for DCL... but it would be crazy to sell him when he is still improving. I doubt this rumourn

Its all about recruitment and Brands did better last window.

On the flip side, l think Richarlison can be equally effective when played on his own in the middle.

Barry Rathbone
57 Posted 25/06/2021 at 19:22:24
Kieran Kinsella 12

I never said they all left together your reasoning infers my list of Liverpool players also left at the same time which is downright weird.

The point is both clubs are now in a stronger position as a result of said transactions with silverware to boot surely you can understand that?

Or maybe you feel Liverpool's 3rd means the team and Klopp are finished.

Kieran Kinsella
58 Posted 25/06/2021 at 19:46:32
Barry 57

"The point is both clubs are now in a stronger position as a result of said transactions with silverware to boot surely you can understand that?"

Your original post said they "progressed" I assumed you meant on the field but your last post implies off the field, financially. If it's the latter then yeah both are in better financial shape now.

Kristian Boyce
59 Posted 25/06/2021 at 19:53:17
There's going to be a bit of a transfer merry-go-round this summer with strikers this summer. With Kane, MBappe and Haaland all rumoured to be on the move and big teams all across Europe looking to strengthen. I wouldn't be surprized that 1 or 2 of our attacking trio (DCL, Richy & Kean) will be on there way too. I think that Kean leaving is a given and if Mbappe does leave PSG, Neymar is probably going to push to get his mate to come join him as well. If that happens I can't see us letting DCL go, but it's Everton and knowing us I can see us starting the season with no manager or recognized forwards.
Barry Rathbone
60 Posted 25/06/2021 at 20:20:18
Kieran 58

Actually, both on and off the field.

Liverpool are now genuine title contenders each year and Leicester have gone beyond the lucky "one off" champions tag.

It doesn't always happen but "best player" trading is a fact of life and is there to be taken advantage of. Our issue is we tend to buy dross upon receiving big dough

Tony Abrahams
61 Posted 25/06/2021 at 20:39:56
I was wondering if anyone can tell us if the not so valuable experts at Everton have already peaked.

Bill Gienapp
62 Posted 25/06/2021 at 20:40:26
Calvert-Lewin has literally improved every season for four years running. Now, you might not believe he's going to get any better, but I'd like to actually see evidence that he's "peaked" before I declare with any certainty that he's peaked.
David Nicholls
63 Posted 25/06/2021 at 20:55:57
@ 56 - Distin better than Lescott? Hilarious 😆
Sean Kelly
64 Posted 25/06/2021 at 20:56:38
DCL is not a top striker. Okay, he can head a ball but his all round effectiveness is lacking. People arguing that with better service he will score more goals are missing the point. He's a poor finisher unless it's on his head. That solitary attribute went out with Latchford and Ferguson.

The 㿞M quoted though is way too low when considering other options. We may be expecting too much from him if we are striving for Europe. He may be England's No 2 striker as quoted but he's not hungry enough to dislodge a clearly out-of-sorts Kane.

Sean Kelly
65 Posted 25/06/2021 at 20:58:50
Bill it will be 6 years before we can give you the proof but the circumstantial evidence is there already
Kevin Prytherch
66 Posted 25/06/2021 at 21:27:05
Calvert-Lewin is an absolute nightmare for virtually every centre back in the league. He can single handily occupy 2 centre backs, he can win headers and his own flick ons, he rarely loses the ball, he intimidates the opposition, he physically mauls the opposition, he's pacy, he gets in excellent positions, he contributes defensively and can lead the line on his own. Also, his conversion rate is better than any striker who got into double figures this season. Calvert-Lewin is on par with any poacher in the league, but has an all round physical game too.

Calvert-Lewin is a player we should build a team around and get many on here want to sell him because he doesn't score from distance!!!!

Point me to a striker that would cost less than £50million who can do what Calvert-Lewin does at the age of 24. If he was playing for England in the Euros, England would do better than they are now.

Peter Warren
67 Posted 25/06/2021 at 22:20:33
£50m would be far too cheap. I think with an attacking team he's a top top player. Great personality, fab in both boxes and rarely injured and will get better and better.
Geoff Lambert
68 Posted 25/06/2021 at 22:39:01
50 Million is anyone that stupid?

Never be a natural goal scorer People compering him with Lukaku Jeez I wish. Lazy goal scorer v workhorse with zero composure.

Sell him for that stupid money, for me anyway.

Jason Li
69 Posted 25/06/2021 at 22:43:12
My take is, as Carlo said in management speak... if unhappy then ask for a transfer. No point keeping unhappy players ruining the morale of the squad. Otherwise, we can't sell both Richarlison and DCL in the same window.

I don't think he's peaked, and even if he has, DCL is still easily good enough for most teams in the Premier League for another 8 or 9 years with his pace, strength and leap. No top manager will expect him to score outside the box if Ancelotti doesn't so all his future managers will just make sure he's in the box as much as possible, unless he's the foil to another goal scorer.

After these last few years of management changes, one lesson the club must learn is also have a huge list of replacement players for each transfer window in case one of our best 11 want to leave. Make the sale quick, get a good price like 㿨 million for either Richarlison or DCL as an example, and get bids made on that list to bring in a top quality replacement player.

Maybe that's too Football Manager and much harder in the world of football though, as we didn't do this after Rom left for some bizarre reason.

In terms of recruitment policy, when we buy young unknowns that have had some professional league experience, we've done really well. Stones, Lukaku, Holgate, Richarlison, DCL, Lescott, Baines, Kean, Vlasic, Fellaini, and I think Branthwaite will get there too.

There are not too many exeptions like Sandro. We should definitely do more of this. Also, apart from a few outliers like Sandro, we make a lot of money from developing young experienced pros.

When we bring in names from the top leagues like Iwobi, Siggy, Allan, Bernard, Gomesh, even Keane, we get disappointed easier. James Rodriguez is both brilliant when fit, but disappointing fitness wise which is half the season. Digne is a good buy and Pickford has come through as a good signing.

I'd say Pickford is the player the top clubs will now be sniffing around soon because he's been a good 8 out of 10 for 20 games.

Dale Self
70 Posted 25/06/2021 at 22:48:43
Given Arsenal offers to pay 50m for Brighton's White that would indeed be stupid to accept that amount for DCL.
Brendan McLaughlin
71 Posted 25/06/2021 at 22:50:35
Have to say £50 million for a "championship at best" player...not bad.
Andy Crooks
72 Posted 25/06/2021 at 22:53:02
Spot on, Brendan.
Dale Self
73 Posted 25/06/2021 at 23:00:02
still working that line are ya? heh
Will Mabon
74 Posted 25/06/2021 at 23:13:14
Has Dominic Calvert-Lewin already poked?
Winston Williamson
75 Posted 25/06/2021 at 23:27:54
Why is it that at Everton, when we have a 20 goal a season striker, we always seem to want rid of them? Keep him. Add more quality round him.

It was the same with Lukaku. Though DCL has never talked about leaving.

Don Alexander
76 Posted 25/06/2021 at 23:49:21
DCL's goals-per-game ratio is just under Sharpy's in a very successful team, but way better than Ferguson's under Kenwright's tenure.

I'm not a close adherent of statistics but according to Premierleague.com DCL's shooting accuracy is 44%, the same as Harry Kane's, and on average he misses a "big chance" (however they categorize that) once in every three games. Kane's is slightly worse in missing one once in every two and a half games.

Contrast that with Sergio Aguero's shooting accuracy of only 42% and his miss rate of "big chances" being one in two, therefore even worse than Kane's.

So yeah, let's sell the useless fucker eh?

Honestly, some folk need to get their heads outta their arse and see the light.

Bill Gienapp
77 Posted 26/06/2021 at 01:20:43
Ian (6) - you must be referring to Fabian Idelphi
Geoff Lambert
78 Posted 26/06/2021 at 02:48:02
Honestly, some folk need to get their heads outta their arse and see the light.

Yes! you are correct he is better that Kane and Aguero.


Geoff Lambert
79 Posted 26/06/2021 at 03:01:02
Here's a stat for you,
Do you know how many assists DCL made for his team mates this season in his 33 games. 0 yes that's right 0.
I can't see why you would want to build a team around someone that un- creative.
Only my opinion now so don't get all arsey about it now girls n boys.
Kieran Kinsella
80 Posted 26/06/2021 at 04:07:21

My record is better than Duncs. Every time I got to Goodison I blow really hard and even take credit for guiding Bakayoko's first goal into the net


In fairness, DCL had a tonne of assists under Koeman. He's become more selfish as instructed and his partner in crime is usually rolling around on the halfway line instead of being in the box looking for knock downs

Steve Brown
81 Posted 26/06/2021 at 05:42:03
If you check out Harry Kane's assist record before last season, it was poor. That is an aspect of his game that he has developed as he gained the experience and as his role in the team has changed.

Also, DCL was instructed by Ancelotti to stay in the box. What do you want him to do? Run the channel and get on the end of his own crosses?

Ian Jones
82 Posted 26/06/2021 at 06:01:58
Don, like the way you managed to shoe-horn Kenwright into your post about DCL.
Danny O’Neill
83 Posted 26/06/2021 at 06:39:01
If Dominic remains our main striker, and I hope he does, he needs to keep doing what he was doing last season. Be in the box and strike early. That means he will likely miss as many chances as he scores, but as long as we create, he can be a 20 goal a season striker. We don't want a Marcus Bent channel chaser who works hard, we want him to score goals.

But the team has to support that. Play with width for starters, but that's not everything. We saw in the latter half of last season, he was often isolated. We need the midfield to be closer to him, not camped on the edge of our own box. To push the midfield higher up the pitch, we need the defence to come out and player higher when we have possession.

If we are not going to play with width, as we often didn't, you are going down the route of playing through the middle and between the lines, which would likely require a different type of forward. Arsenal done it for years and I think City prefer it, although do have options, mainly through their full backs. I think anyway. Happy to be corrected on that. Liverpool, from what I've seen are more about full back to forward, but mostly not in a traditional width and cross sense? They try to hit the forwards early and almost by-pass midfield a lot of the time.

Interesting, As I've typed this, it seems that most teams' width now comes from their full backs, not traditional wingers or wide midfielders??

Rob Halligan
84 Posted 26/06/2021 at 07:28:38
Geoff #79. Is the penalty DCL won against Chelsea, converted by siggy, not counted as an assist, or is an assist only classified as “A pass from which a team mate scores from”?
Mike Kehoe
85 Posted 26/06/2021 at 08:38:13
The progress made by DCL last season was astonishing, from looking like a Championship journeyman to a Premier League danger man in a short time. So how good can he be in a better team?

He is not one of the problem areas in need of fixing, so I would hope we could keep him and build around him.

But not with Benitez.

Fran Mitchell
86 Posted 26/06/2021 at 09:04:06
Who would we replace him with?

Ivan Toney, older than DCL and with only lower league experience, is valued at 㿏 million.

Why the heck would we sell for 㿞M?

What we must learn:

Sell players if you already have the replacement lined up. If Brands has identified some striker for 㿀 million who he is sure is better than DCL, and he sees an opportunity to 'cash in' and fund wider squad improvement, fair enough.

This is what the likes of Dortmund do. They prepare for selling their talents, but they only sell after the replacements are identified and wheels in motion to get them signed. But selling then rushing about looking for someone is what results in signing players like Tosun for 㿅 million.

Robert Tressell
87 Posted 26/06/2021 at 09:33:42
Absolutely Fran - and to go a step further the effective selling clubs bring in the replacement a season or two before the sale. This means a very high quality but inexperienced player is given time to bed in before needing to be relied upon. This is why we need to invest heavily in both quality and numbers of attackers this summer.
Danny O’Neill
88 Posted 26/06/2021 at 09:47:20
Fran, Robert,

Exactly. There is actually nothing wrong with selling your good players providing there is a plan and strategy to replace them.

Having used Dortmund as a good example amongst others we've previously mentioned, I'll give you a bad one. Sadly the team I follow in Germany and their Derby rivals, Schalke.

Their academy arguably has rivalled Ajax over the years when you look at the genuine top drawer players they consistently produce. They eventually fell foul of a business model that seemed to rely on churning them out, getting a few seasons out of them and then selling them on, often at huge profit.

The danger being, if you don't replace, or the academy goes through an inevitable dry period, it bites you.

Huge name in German football and in Europe. They've just been relegated.

Jason Li
89 Posted 26/06/2021 at 10:16:09
I'll give Brands some credit as he has brought in Digne and then recently Nkounkou, and also Branthwaite. The latter two with Small and Godfrey will make up a decent part of the defence over a number of years, even if some are mainly squad players.

But Brands also must take it on the chin and called out for not finding a younger almost ready made right back in the last 3 years. Yes, we may have someone coming through in reserves one day and Coleman is fit as a fiddle and Sidibe on loan bought some time to look around, but relying on Godfrey and Holgate was not the right call. As Danny points out above this post, most full backs these days venture high up the pitch and make their own space for a cross. It's not Holgates game and it placed too much expectation on him thinking about being a world class crosser of the ball when he has spent a career thinking about tracking a man and winning the ball. No centre back becomes a right wing back/David Beckham after a few games, and so Brands must take it on the chin on this one in terms of not having identified a need and starting a process to get the right player in a few transfer windows back.

Some things we do really well in recruitment, some things are still mystifying.

Alan J Thompson
90 Posted 26/06/2021 at 16:12:23
Has he had his head turned or even contemplated leaving?
Have Everton considered cashing in?

I have no idea if either is true but it could be a case of 2+2 as wasn't there talk of James going to an Italian club and rather than a fee a forward (not sure if it said Centre Forward or even striker) coming the other way. If there is any truth in that we could sell Calvert-Lewin and have said swap, Kean and Richarlison as strikers and the cost of a right back and one other.

While I did read something somewhere about that swap it just shows how easy it is to put these things together.

Don Alexander
91 Posted 26/06/2021 at 19:56:42
Geoff (#78), I didn't say I thought DCL is better than Kane or Aguero. If you read my post more carefully I said a Stat Site recorded his stats as being slightly better than theirs. I also added that I have little adherence to mere stats.

Still, in sharing the more accusatory manner towards fellow fans, as you do with one or two oft-ridiculed others, you're not one to let basic written English cloud your judgement are you old bean?

By the way, I think Dom should certainly not be sold either.

Jerome Shields
92 Posted 27/06/2021 at 07:48:43
I do think he has reached his peak. I also think it will be difficult for him to get 20 goals next season. I disagree that he hasn't received service. There are numerous times when he has fluffed chances, due to ability limits. There does seem to be a lack of consistency in his training.
Jim Lloyd
93 Posted 27/06/2021 at 08:38:59
I agree with Jerome (92) It would be interesting to see what his goal tally was in the first half of the season, compared to the 2nd half. That's when teams had worked out the supply lines (Digne mainly and James when he was playing) ansd snuffed them out. He seems to miss a good deal of easy chances for a striker, that could have given him more goals, and us a lot more points.
Danny O’Neill
94 Posted 27/06/2021 at 08:53:19
Also a problem when you rely on one striker for the entire season Jim.

And I don't mean playing 2 up front. I don't think that works in the modern game and would expose you in midfield. I'm more thinking we had no option to rest him or change it as we didn't have any other options. He was our only striker.

Tony Abrahams
95 Posted 27/06/2021 at 08:59:34
His goal tally went downhill, he missed some easy chances, the style of play afforded him very little help from midfield players, looking to get forward and join in, we played a very narrow midfield, which also never played to his strengths with regards to getting on the end of crosses, and he also never ever got a rest other than when injured, so I find this an absolutely ridiculous article really.

Let's not criticise the coaching, but if these are the genuine thoughts of the experts at Everton, I'd be very, very surprised, but also very saddened that they don't want to work on a player who has got nearly all the tools, and has just been voted Everton's player of the season. No wonder people criticise what's going on at finch-farm, when they read bollocks like this.

Jim Lloyd
96 Posted 27/06/2021 at 09:07:14
Maybe Danny. Our lack of goalscorers all round doesn't help, especially from the midfield. It may have been necessity but playing Richarlison on the wing/the other striker, doesn't seem to work too well.

I think maybe we could have put Richarlison in the middle but then, where's the supply line? Whatever the reason, we had an awful goals for, to goals against, which seems to point to problems all over the pitch. I agree with Jerome, that Dom misses a good number of chances that a goalscorer should be putting away. And if we rely one one man, then you're right, there is little option to rest him, other than Richarlison.

Danny O’Neill
97 Posted 27/06/2021 at 09:33:11
That's a really good point Jim and with it being Sunday morning, you've sent me down memory lane, which is actually a welcome and nostalgic distraction.

Our successful team of the 80s relied not on just having strikers scoring the goals, but midfield and even defenders weighing in. Didn't Mountfield score 14? A centre back? And then we had Sheedy, Stevens and Gary Stevens (our right back) consistently scoring goals.

We can't rely on single points of success or failure. Without looking at the stats, I can only really think of Dominic, Richarlison and Sigurdsson as our regular goal scorers last season.

Danny O’Neill
98 Posted 27/06/2021 at 09:38:13
Repeating myself Tony from this very thread, but just to echo your sentiment.

If you want the best out of Dominic, we need to play with width first and foremost. But, we also need the midfield closer to him. To enable that, we need a defence that is more confident coming out and away from our own box to play higher when we have possession.

He was an isolated figure too often in the second half of the season.

Tony Abrahams
99 Posted 27/06/2021 at 09:44:45
Yeh Danny, I remember agreeing with something you wrote on here the other day, but it's when you read people saying he's already peaked at 24, that it just makes you want to point a few things out mate.

A team with a few more dangerous attacking players always makes things easier, but it's easy for a lot of teams playing against Everton already, because we have so few goal scoring threats in our team, like you and Jim, are by alluding to Danny.

Clive Rogers
100 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:00:23
His strengths are in the air and his pace running on to the ball. His weaknesses are his shooting and taking a man on. He certainly can't create a chance for himself like we are seeing time after time in the Euros. I feel he has peaked.
Kevin Molloy
101 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:00:38
if you read his latest comments in the Echo there is no doubt whatsoever that his head has been turned. This has also been going on for at least a couple of months. There are certain pundits who have the inside track with the players, and when they start talking about the player needing to leave you can be sure it's come from the player. I remember being shocked when Jamie Redknapp after an indepth interview with Barkley openly talked up the prospects of him leaving. And it happened a couple of months ago, with Rio Ferdinand in an article discussing how DCL should leave.
Still, unlike Barkley, DCL has just signed a new contract. And is also unlikely to down tools to get the move he wants, given what we know about him. But there is a real prospect he could now be out the door if Benitez comes in and needs money to bring in the players he wants.
Jim Lloyd
102 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:10:33
Tony, A very good point about the "experts" at Finch Farm. If they're the experts at passing the ball and scoring, well we're up the creek. I think it was Danny who said about Mounty scoring 14 in a season and I can remember Everton scoring 88 (might only be 80!) when we won the league in 62/63.

If we can get the best out of Richy and Dom, without just leaving them to carry the goalscoring burden, then they are both top class young players who we are asking to do things, additional to the roles they are best suited to. And in a team who quite often left them so far upfield they communicated by mobile. Keep the both if we can but get more goalscorers. How many has Gomez scored since he's been here...1?

Brian Williams
103 Posted 27/06/2021 at 10:23:59
Kevin#101if you read his latest comments in the Echo there is no doubt whatsoever that his head has been turned.

Which comments Kevin, because I've watched the interviews and read all the comments on the Echo website and there's nothing I could see or hear that would lead me to your conclusion? I only saw and heard an intelligent and articulate young man giving the stock answers to what amounts to stupid questions.

Kevin Molloy
104 Posted 27/06/2021 at 11:12:36
when asked about a move away from Goodison he said
I'm focused, I'm focused now and I'm focused on training, working hard and making an impact on this tournament.

“What my future holds and what people speculate about is not my concern at this moment in time.”
now I agree that's not a written transfer request, but reading between the lines he is more than up for a move. And this is on top of his 'I'm happy, for now' comments last week.

Clive Rogers
105 Posted 27/06/2021 at 11:20:28
I think the players most likely to leave this summer are obviously Rodriguez, already being touted, Richarlison and possibly Allan if Ancelotti wants him. Personally I am not too bothered about Rodriguez due to injuries, or Allan who is past his best, but I think Richie now sees his long term future elsewhere. They will all need replacing of course.
Derek Thomas
106 Posted 27/06/2021 at 11:23:22
Been in an England camp for a month and he gets tapped up - There's a surprise.

We should keep and build in support.

We'll probably sell and on the cheaper side of a proper price too.

Bobby Thomas
107 Posted 27/06/2021 at 11:27:48
He's a late developer is is quite obviously still improving.
Clive Rogers
108 Posted 27/06/2021 at 11:40:40
Bobby, I don't think he is. He was very quiet in the second half of the season and missed a few one on ones.
Barry Rathbone
109 Posted 27/06/2021 at 11:57:50
Kevin 104

I agree.

He could have said he was dedicated to helping Everton become the greatest team since Brazil 1970 or some such but delivered a weasel word statement that translates to available and ready to ship out at a moments notice. Moyes did the same when asked about the vacancy at Spurs during the Euros all those years ago.

These planks must think we're all fucking thick.

Clive Rogers
110 Posted 27/06/2021 at 14:16:06
DCL didn't provide a single assist last season. That shows there is something not right with his game.
Tony Abrahams
111 Posted 27/06/2021 at 14:32:07
Maybe this might change if we get a few players running past him Clive?
Danny O’Neill
112 Posted 27/06/2021 at 14:50:04
He's often the only player forward. There's no-one to assist to. And, I want my striker to score, not assist.

In honestly, I pay little attention to the assist thing. That's qualified by the last player to touch the ball before the scorer. What about the build up play? The player who played a sweeping switch-play pass to pick out the "assister". All play their part in the phase of play that leads to a goal and therefore assist.

Paul Swan
113 Posted 27/06/2021 at 15:23:56
I see a lot of similarities between DCL and Graeme Sharp actually. Just as likely to frustrate and miss a succession of sitters but then pops up with a few big goals. I think however, just like Sharp, you will only get the best out of him by pairing him with a partner who gives defences more to think about. Our other striker Richarlison is actually the opposite of a partner for him. Greedy, self obsessed and with an atrocious attitude to boot. I would love to see him play alongside a true attacking partner and then see if he has reached his peak
Clive Rogers
114 Posted 27/06/2021 at 16:27:46
I just think that as a striker his assets are his pace and in the air. Several more parts of his game are missing at present.
Stan Schofield
115 Posted 08/07/2021 at 23:09:33
We must keep Calvert-Lewin and our other top players if we have any hope of being a top club. If we don't, then Moshiri's ‘project' will clearly be to sustain our midtable position, and all the talk of wanting to be a top club will be precisely that, talk.

We need to keep our best players, and sign more very good ones, to give us squad depth, strength-in-depth, absolutely essential these days to compete at the top.

Derek Thomas
116 Posted 09/07/2021 at 00:56:29
Stick. But no club is totally immune to the offer of 'silly money', the question always remains - is it silly enough? And if not, what is?

Also, the lad himself won't be the first to have his head turned / tapped up at an England camp.

Mike Dolan
117 Posted 09/07/2021 at 02:08:09
Calvert-Lewin is a very good centre-forward but he will never be the iced-veined assassin type of natural goalscorer. I think he is still developing as a player and has suffered by being in a team that has constantly been in a development stage his whole Premier League career.

If we add more on the right-hand side, both he and Richarlison will be almost unmarkable and will score goals by accident. There is a lot of genuine quality on this team but absolutely no balance. Genuinely great players like Gomes and Richarlison will begin to look great when they play in a team that can play from both sides of the park.

We at this moment can be outcoached by any idiot who realises that we are spectacularly vulnerable, both defensively and offensively. It's a sad state that we can all take comfort from…

Eric Myles
118 Posted 09/07/2021 at 04:14:52
He's a striker that has never learned how to shoot in probably 10 years of coaching?

He probably never will then.

Brian Murray
119 Posted 09/07/2021 at 05:13:03
Paul @113.

All the more reason to at least try for Ings if it gets the best out of Calvert-Lewin. Not exactly inspired visionary scouting as we thought that's what Brands was paid for but he's the biggest disappointment so far as a Director of Football. Still time, I suppose.

That doesn't mean bringing in the usual suspects, other teams' headaches, like we have with Iwobi, Bernard, Gomes etc. By the way, we could save half their salary by at least loaning them all out if no one is daft enough to take them.

Danny O’Neill
120 Posted 09/07/2021 at 07:04:44
Paul @113, I've compared to Sharpe elsewhere, maybe even here. But not Dominic. Kane reminds me more of Sharpe for his all round striking ability. Domic has improved considerably and can continue to do so, but I don't see him adding those other aspects to his game. He's an in-the-box striker from what we've seen so far.

Calvert-Lewin absolutely should be part of our near-to-medium term plans. We do need a partner or competition (depending on formation).

This is not getting carried away with a few games in a tournament, but I'd be bold and look at Schick from Bayer Leverkusen.

I doubt the club will even consider, but that's the type of signing that would excite me.

Duncan McDine
121 Posted 09/07/2021 at 07:09:10
I'd be shocked if he's peaked already. He's still young and on an upward curve. To cash in would be a massive gamble.

There's a big chance that his replacement would be shite (going on our track record of expensive signings).

Robert Tressell
122 Posted 09/07/2021 at 08:16:30
Danny, the time to get Schick was after an initial strong season at Sampdoria. He's since had a patchy record but remains a talent. His value now would be over-inflated by a good showing at the Euros. If we bought him now it might cost 㿔M for, in effect, a reserve striker. I expect Brands is still keen on Zirkzee – and it's likely (I hope anyway) that any new striker will be more in that category.
Danny O’Neill
123 Posted 09/07/2021 at 09:13:57
Can't disagree with much of that, Robert, especially the inflated price tags that tend to be standard after international tournaments.

Now Zirkzee. Big commanding presence, but quick and skilful. Maybe the type of runner we need to provide options for the midfield as well as being to hit as a target? Also a bit handy with the odd free kick. I like that one.

Dutch connection too. I do wish Brands would look towards his native country more. Hopefully whilst he's taking care of this one, he's negotiating the Dumfries package too.

It's that time of year again where we hope, speculate and then get surprised or frustrated!!

Danny O’Neill
125 Posted 09/07/2021 at 09:47:25
Just done a bit more reading on Zirkzee. I had no idea he'd had trials at Everton back in 2017 and, according to his own words, was close to signing.

But it stalled, so he opted for Bayern instead.

The irony that, if there's anything in this, we'll now pay them a handsome fee. That's football I guess!

Robert Tressell
126 Posted 09/07/2021 at 10:05:11
Koeman wanted him as a 16-year-old. He's not done anything amazing since – but he looks talented. Hard to know whether he's a big step up from the similarly sized Simms or just a more glamorous sounding foreign version.
Colin Glassar
127 Posted 09/07/2021 at 18:55:21
Like Lukaku, the much maligned (by a minority) Calvert-Lewin will eventually move to an elite club and bang in the goals in Champions League and international games (he's Kane's natural successor) etc… and those very same people, like John, or Paul (or was it Ringo?) will deny it three times before the cock crows.

Never look a gift horse in the mouth. This kid is going to be a star once he has a settled manager who can develop his skills.

Darren Hind
128 Posted 10/07/2021 at 14:00:25
Talking of Center forwards. I was very sad to hear of the passing of Paul Mariner.

Now he was a center forward. Any center half who had played against him knew he had been in a game and a battle

Cap doffed and head bowed to a very, very good center forward

Barry Rathbone
129 Posted 10/07/2021 at 14:39:25
Darren 128

That is grim news indeed and only 68yrs old!!!

Always remember his tribute to the Goodison faithful when Ipswich gave us an absolute lesson at GP knocking in 4 with Eric Gates scoring a blinder. Instead of booing the crowd rose and applauded the Gates goal with Mariner commenting afterwards he'd never seen anything like it.

Be worth a fortune today what a talented player he was

Darren Hind
130 Posted 10/07/2021 at 15:19:42
Absolutely Barry. Wouldnt mind a player of his caliber started next season for us
Dave Abrahams
131 Posted 10/07/2021 at 15:28:15
Darren (28), Paul Mariner, a good all round footballer who wasn't afraid to use a bit of brawn as well.. I wonder what all the scouts of the Lancashire area were doing when Paul was playing for Chorley and he was signed by Plymouth, hundreds of miles away, they missed a cracking player.
Kevin Molloy
132 Posted 10/07/2021 at 16:07:48
sorry but that spelling is making me eyes bleed.
it's not 'center forward' but 'sent her for wood' as in I sent her for wood but she came back with glass.
Jerome Shields
133 Posted 10/07/2021 at 16:14:25

Interesting stats on Dominic. A friend of mine who supports Spurs said Dominic should have got more time on with England, because Kane can be out of the game in some matches and should be pulled off.

I do think he needs better coaching, and support when playing for Everton.

Paul Mariner was a great player.

Joe McMahon
134 Posted 10/07/2021 at 16:22:18
Very sad news about Paul. Some great strikers in the 70s and 80s abd Paul was one of them. 68 is no age is it. Some top players have died recently, non of of them old. Cyrille Regis, Ray Clemance and now Paul. All of them would walk into any premier league team now.
Barry Hesketh
135 Posted 10/07/2021 at 16:25:06
A very good player Paul Mariner, very underrated, probably because of the quality of players that Bobby Robson had assembled for the Suffolk club during that period. Here's the first goal of his Ipswich career, not a bad way to announce your arrival?

Paul Mariner

Bill Gall
136 Posted 10/07/2021 at 17:09:46
Why would you sell a player at the peak of his career, does this mean
(a) you will stay at this level ? or (b) your form goes downhill.?
If you want to raise money by selling him you have to have someone at the club that can either maintain his scoring or improve on it and I don't see that we have anyone, unless Kean had a remarkable turn around and I don't know his record at P.S.G. but I don't think he has scored as many with 2 world class players providing openings.
Lukaku wanted to leave and made it known, but like many other strikers he relied on service from other players for some of his goals.
With better service D.C.L. will improve his present goal scoring record, and it will improve when we strengthen the positions that we need, as we are weak in, R. Back, Midfield and R.Wing.
We have enough problems trying to sell players who don't want to leave because of the easy money their getting, so it seems stupid to me to sell a goalscorer that may improve, to buy someone who through his latest scoring records is flavor of the year, who may not be able to continue it with Everton if he doesn't get the same service.
We need a team that performs as a unit to get us up into a competitive area before being able to bring in a world class striker who puts away the half chances, and the ones that make you shake your head in how they done it.
Strikers are like goalkeepers whose misses are more notable than wingers or defenders who make mistakes that don't lead to a goal. They are hard to get so don't sell one you have unless the replacement you get you are 100% sure they are better.
David Cooper
137 Posted 10/07/2021 at 17:33:12
What worries me Bill is in what frame of mind he comes back from the Euros. So far he really appears to be on the fringes of Southgate's plans and not making the bench in a couple of matches might have dented his confidence. Will that little voice in the head tell him “that wouldn't have happened if he had been at a more successful club”.
So we have Kean who obviously doesn't want to play here and Richi who some on here are quite happy to see the back of.
Throw Benítez into the mix and who knows what is going to happen.
Mike Gaynes
138 Posted 10/07/2021 at 18:40:53
Bill #136, I don't feel there is, or ever will be, a comparison between Dom and Rom.

Rom was, and is, able to create and finish his own opportunities by dribbling past people. (Remember Chelsea?) Dom does not have this ability. He relies almost entirely on good service, speed and anticipation.

Rom can physically dominate defenders to score, as he did Keane in my first game at Goodison. Dom cannot.

Rom can shoot from distance and score with either foot. Dom cannot.

Dom is already a solid Prem scorer, and he will get steadily better over the next few years IMO. We should definitely hang onto him.

However, he will never be a star on Rom's level. Never.

Bill Gall
139 Posted 10/07/2021 at 19:21:33
Mike #145 There may be some confusion in my comments, I never said that D.C.L. was at the same level of Lukaku, I simply said that like many other strikers they relied on other players for some of their goals.
The reason I mentioned Lukaku was someone mentioned that Everton went and sold him, but I believe that at the time he expressed his views on wanting to leave.
The reason that I said that we should not sell D.C.L. is because we need strengthening in other areas first, before taking a gamble on some one else, and it would be a gamble for next season. Take Chelsea signing Timo Werner, he scored 28 goals the season before he signed for Chelsea, he scored 8 for Chelsea this season.
To bring in a world class or top striker we need a solid team +squad behind him, we don't. We just need more scoring from other areas of the pitch to compliment D.C.L. goals and assists.
Don Alexander
140 Posted 11/07/2021 at 01:10:42
It's sad that Paul Mariner has been taken by cancer at 68 but some of the tributes to him as a centre-forward are a bit far-fetched in my opinion. He was certainly good, at least, and manly in his demeanour (which I admired) but at Ipswich he had the likes of Whymark, Beattie, Hunter, Wark, Gates, Thyssen, Muhren, Burley, Talbot, Butcher, Cooper (a very good 'keeper) and various other high quality team-mates around him, every year.

I'd like Dom to experience that sort of talent ('keeper aside) around him for once. Who knows, he might then even achieve more than the late Paul, or even "our 'Arry" as we must seemingly now call him for the rest of our lives.

PS; Hope he nor his agent are reading this!

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