"Liverpool have undeniably played a part in the formation of the modern Blue ... And underwriting the whole relationship, simple hate. A pure and undiluted loathing that has become an indelible part of the Blue psyche. Loathing not of individuals, although that can sometimes be the case, but of the body, the great heaving Kopite mass.
"While the Premier League and Sky will happily promote rivalries, you are meant to wear them lightly. A kind of ‘banter lolz' sort of rivalry. In short, you're not meant to fucking hate them.
"But why not? As long as it doesn't revisit the bad old days of football's violent past, there's little wrong with loathing the neighbours."
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1 Posted 20/02/2021 at 15:45:20
2 Posted 20/02/2021 at 15:48:36
3 Posted 20/02/2021 at 15:51:49
4 Posted 20/02/2021 at 16:15:42
Not only have they blighted my life as a football supporter their litany of criminality has portrayed the city in a dreadful light fueling the scouse scally stereotype far more than crap tv series produced in the area
I might add it isn't individuals most are ordinary, reasonable folk one to one it is the heinous entity they become when together.
The only saving grace is the entire country and probably most parts of Europe feel the same.
5 Posted 20/02/2021 at 16:25:06
Matters since for EFC, in the scale of time have not kicked on but now in this era, Im hopeful of better days for Everton Football Club.
But my loathing of the RS, will go into eternity.
6 Posted 20/02/2021 at 16:55:22
As you say though, the rest of the country are finally realising what gobshites they are
7 Posted 20/02/2021 at 22:17:57
Once we achieve that, the RS will not matter to us. They shouldnt matter now, but their supporters are such ungracious winners and bad losers that its impossible for them not to matter.
For me, whenever weve been top dog, Ive seldom had a passing thought for the RS, because they lay low and stay quiet. Thats all that we want.
8 Posted 20/02/2021 at 23:23:03
9 Posted 21/02/2021 at 05:46:58
I am as passionate an Evertonian as the rest of you (and I write this after the first win at Anfield in 22 years. I was at Uni when Kevin Campbell scored the winner, and surrounded by Mancs as I wore my blue top, with a bag of Everton mints watching the 1995 FA Cup Final). No room for hate. Ever. COYB, and let's win at Anfield next year!
10 Posted 21/02/2021 at 19:20:26
11 Posted 21/02/2021 at 19:57:04
12 Posted 21/02/2021 at 20:04:55
13 Posted 21/02/2021 at 20:06:09
The author is right again, even if we win plenty of silverware for the next twenty years we will hate them,Ill be in the “ Naughty Corner” in Heaven twice a year for some of that time if it happens but God will understand, he will say to me “ Youre right really to hate them, but rules are rules” and give me a smile.
14 Posted 21/02/2021 at 20:18:43
15 Posted 21/02/2021 at 20:22:58
The majority of them love us for two weeks of the year only.
Evertonians have backed them unconditionally for 30 years in thier fight.Rightly so.
The ones that matter know that.
The others thank us then quickly revert to hating us.
16 Posted 21/02/2021 at 20:30:08
17 Posted 21/02/2021 at 20:43:23
Tom Gardner failed to make Liverpool's first team and played once for Everton, partnering Eddie Wainwright in the home League game against Wolves in October 1947, when 46,000 fans saw the 1-1 draw. I think that you must be proud to know that he was considered good enough by both teams, and that he was never on the losing side for the 'Blues' not many can say that, the only one I can recall is Ross Jack, he scored a goal in his one appearance against Middlesbrough away in a 2-1 win, in March 1967.
18 Posted 21/02/2021 at 21:11:38
The story is that, after the war, he was a goalkeeper in the Everton system. No idea how it worked then. In the 60s it was the Youth, B Team, A Team, Reserves, then the First Team. Not sure how far he progressed, but Everton wanted to keep him on.
In those long lost days, they were required to ask the parents first. Nana and Grandad apparently said no, unequivocally, as it was not a well-renumerated job in those days, Dad had no idea, and just thought Everton were letting him go. Mid-60s they told him. Can't imagine how that must have felt!
19 Posted 21/02/2021 at 21:23:44
20 Posted 21/02/2021 at 21:31:03
21 Posted 21/02/2021 at 21:46:04
23 Posted 21/02/2021 at 21:51:53
I was just thinking. It is irrational for a man of my age to hate a football club. I genuinely try to see the best in people, give them the benefit of the doubt. With this breed, I can't do that.
Dont get me wrong. I have got red mates who have been on to congratulate and say we were the better side. All of them season ticket holders.
Sadly, they are a tiny minority of thier fans. They hate us and in return we hate them.
24 Posted 21/02/2021 at 22:20:42
25 Posted 21/02/2021 at 22:23:04
Non scouser fans hating them makes little sense to me.
26 Posted 21/02/2021 at 22:28:03
27 Posted 21/02/2021 at 22:33:16
Feck right off, you uber capitalist behemoth, win by any means, humility free zone, Euro League power-grabbing, offended by everything, ashamed of nothing, vile and deceitful shower. The mephistophelian manifestation of all that is wrong with modern football and modern football fans.
You are undeserving of my hate.
28 Posted 22/02/2021 at 12:39:56
29 Posted 22/02/2021 at 22:24:53
30 Posted 22/02/2021 at 23:02:32
31 Posted 22/02/2021 at 00:05:21
The early 60s were a bit easier but when the knobheads like Hughes came on the scene things slowly started to change.
Their European success giving the worldwide exposure only inflamed their entitlement
We now have an entire generation in the City who have never been to a game as half their season tickets are owned by Thomas Cook!
Im lucky were all Blues, apart from one red cousin, and nobody talks to him!
As stated by others collectively, or even in a group of two, they are arseholes. Individually theyre still pricks!
32 Posted 23/02/2021 at 00:15:44
33 Posted 23/02/2021 at 00:55:15
Funds allowing I used to to with red mates to fill a Saturday afternoon and can reel off the names even now...but looking back, they never went to Goodison hardly at all...hmm?
There was an old saying, so old I can't remember how old, which summed them up in a not quite nasty, but deadly accurate warts and all, play on the word tell ...'you can always tell a kopite - but not much.' - and its true on both counts.
I think they only pretended to buy into the veiled anti Thatcher 'Merseyside' of the League Cup Final, there may have been elements of what is called 'Head-Pattery' in it
A South African I met once described it as...you're only biased against the rs if you hate them more than you should...only he didn't mean biased and the colour wasn't red.
But as Dave said, it isn't the individual family and friends, twice a year. It's the whole collective (why does the words Borg and Cult come to mind?) every day of the year.
Apropos of nothing, back in the day some sections of them used to get on 'well'...cross Pennine, reciprocal trips to pubs and social clubs 'well' with Leeds fans - by their friends shall ye know them.
Oh and I don't know about you, but you'll struggle to find a red item bigger than a tomato in my house...and I don't eat those either and anything thing they did or have sponsored, I immediately stopped used and never used again.
But I'm not really bitter, just wise to their perfidiousness.
34 Posted 23/02/2021 at 01:19:05
I've had Blues from Canada, NZ, Turkey, Bakofthevanistan etc messaging "made up, at last, the bastards" after the match
However, I've had lots more from mates who support Southend, West Ham, Rotherham, Reading, Arsenal, Newcastle et al who are so pleased for us, adding they can't stand the entitled f'ers
They aren't living alongside the nasty neighbours (can't get a ticket for dem tourists!) but, still, have sussed them out
Kopites have no idea ( cos of the red-dominated "meeja") how other real fans despise their club and their supporters
35 Posted 23/02/2021 at 02:25:55
36 Posted 23/02/2021 at 02:28:18
37 Posted 23/02/2021 at 03:28:30
I played semipro for years with a former Birmingham hooligan who would occasionally lift his shirt and show off the stab wound scars he got from a Villa fan back in the '80s.
Just wondered if any of you carry similar scars.
38 Posted 23/02/2021 at 08:06:36
39 Posted 23/02/2021 at 08:37:06
I heard it carried on into town and in a few pubs there.
Certainly been more antagonistic at the actual games after segregation was brought in. Few more issues on the walks home too
Must admit though, personally, never seen or heard of anything organised
40 Posted 23/02/2021 at 14:16:51
41 Posted 23/02/2021 at 15:15:31
42 Posted 23/02/2021 at 19:43:11
They can take their brand and fuck right off.
43 Posted 25/02/2021 at 09:33:51
I personally detest the club, primarily because they have never shown any humility for Heysel, not just for depriving a fine Everton team of the chance to become Champions of Europe but for 39 innocent football fans for dying on their watch.
I laugh at the blind arrogance and misplaced faith. Their share owners don't give a fuck about anything except the top line re treatment of the local community around Anfield when looking to free up land to extend their shithole.
I, like many, have lots of friends and associates who follow Liverpool and, at the risk of a sound bite, only a couple of handfuls get what it is about. The rest are just riding the train til they get to their stop.
44 Posted 25/02/2021 at 10:06:44
Fortunately a Man Utd friend has provided me with the antidote - laughter!
45 Posted 25/02/2021 at 10:38:59
Did you know in a stadium with a capacity with 54K+, they only have 27K season ticket holders, yet they keep on harping on about have a huge season ticket waiting list. The reason is very simple, out of the other 27K tickets, there are thousands of tickets that are sold as part of a package. Various travel companies sell them in a package which includes a weekend stay in Liverpool, its why all the hotels in the city are fully booked whenever they play at home. RS fans can also travel on a day trip from all over the country which also includes a ticket. The club know that by selling tickets on a match by match basis, they will generate a lot more money than if that ticket is sold as “A Season Ticket”
Quite simply, that club doesnt give a monkeys about local fans, never have done, never will. I could tell you some stories about how they treat local fans, but thats for another day!
46 Posted 25/02/2021 at 10:54:08
Thats a staggering stat about the season tickets. Whenever I got into a debate with a local RS fan, I always asked them whether they went to the match. The answer was invariably No, theres no tickets available. I hadnt ever realised the reason why.
A few years ago there was some social media stuff circulating involving local supporters banging on about the huge number of people at the match interested only in taking selfies, and making sure they didnt lose any of their many bags of club merchandise. Saying they werent real supporters.
I thought at the time it was a bit mean spirited but I hadnt envisaged the extent of it.
Im a bit surprised they managed to scrape together the small numbers allowed in for a short period pre Christmas
47 Posted 25/02/2021 at 11:18:58
48 Posted 25/02/2021 at 11:32:32
49 Posted 25/02/2021 at 11:41:39
50 Posted 25/02/2021 at 11:42:58
Have they ever lost a game because the opposition were better on the day?
51 Posted 25/02/2021 at 11:51:14
52 Posted 25/02/2021 at 12:16:05
53 Posted 25/02/2021 at 12:33:25
54 Posted 25/02/2021 at 12:35:42
But I've got red mates, red family, red colleagues. Most of them are okay. I don't feel the need to key cars, smash windows or vandalise monuments.
I guess it's all a bit irrational. Except I've got a list of perfectly rational (to me) reasons for hating them.
55 Posted 25/02/2021 at 12:40:55
56 Posted 25/02/2021 at 12:42:48
You know when you need an extra 5 a side player? And someone brings a mate.
On the occasions they bring an Evertonian - it's 90% they'll be at least a serviceable player. If they're a red it's a 75% chance they can't kick a ball. If they're a red from somewhere other than Merseyside then it's head in hands time before you reach the pitch. 100% fail rate.
They attract non football people. If you loved the game, how could you support that lot?
57 Posted 25/02/2021 at 12:58:18
58 Posted 25/02/2021 at 13:20:10
I prefer a much healthier option to things and people I find distasteful.
Pisses them off a whole lot more.
59 Posted 26/02/2021 at 02:12:57
60 Posted 26/02/2021 at 03:53:23
There was also, "Who played for Everton one week and Liverpool the next but no transfer fee was involved? St Martins band"
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