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Potter and Galtier murmurings as Palace close in on Nuno

| Tuesday, 08 June 2021 174comments  |  Jump to last

Graham Potter and Christophe Galtier are the next names to be mentioned in connection with the vacant manager's post at Everton.

The links to the current Brighton boss and recent French league title winner come as The Telegraph report that Nuno Espirito Santo is getting close to being appointed as the new Crystal Palace manager.

Espirito Santo was said, by the media at least, to be the front-runner for the Blues' job but the Portuguese had already had advanced talks with Steve Parish at Selhurst Park.

Potter is a on a lengthy contract on the south coast but has gained plaudits for his commitment to passing and possession football.

According to The Argus, there has been no formal approach made to the Seagulls from Everton with regard to Potter but that has not stopped the speculation which will only increase if Nuno is confirmed as Roy Hodgson's successor at Palace.

Galtier, meanwhile, has been tipped for the head coach role at Nice having made a verbal agreement with them but he is being talked about as a contender for a job in the Premier League based on the excellent job he has just done at Lille, guiding them to the Ligue 1 championship ahead of big-spending Paris Saint-Germain.

Former Lille sporting director, Luis Campos, believes that Galtier would be the perfect fit for Everton.

"Christophe has all the qualities to coach in England, technically he is very astute and is extremely detailed in his planning when preparing a team," Campos told Sky Sports News.

"He likes a 4-4-2 system, which would fit with the Premier League and he is a fantastic motivator in the dressing room.

"He likes to build a side with quality and youth, he is someone that can develop a team ethic, and he is also a fantastic human being."

BeFoot go as far as to say that Everton have opened talks with Galtier but the suggestion from Le10 is that he will honour that agreement with Nice and turn down offers from Lyon and Napoli.



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Bill Gienapp
1 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:00:59
I'd be very happy with either of these guys. Both of them come with a level of risk, but frankly who doesn't?
Colin Glassar
2 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:11:44
Puel, Le Guen, Perrin. nuff said.
David Pearl
3 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:17:18
I've stopped even caring. Nuno would be the obvious choice for me. Most of us would say he over-achieved at Wolves the few seasons before last. That's what we want... an over-achiever and not a greedy prick.

The fact we let Carlo sign a contract that had a "Get Out of Goodison Free" card is beyond me. Oh hang on... it must be Bill's fault! Silly me.

Lyndon Lloyd
4 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:17:23
"Puel, Le Guen, Perrin. nuff said."

Wenger?

Gavin Johnson
5 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:17:45
Yes Colin, there's been a lot of dodgy French managers. My first thought was Remi Garde at Villa.
Colin Glassar
6 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:20:53
More German than French, Lyndon.
Lyndon Lloyd
7 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:22:24
"More German than French, Lyndon."

Hah, OK. Just so I know how we're painting these guys with ridiculously broad brushes

Barry Hesketh
8 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:22:47
I doubt that Everton will be in the mood to pay compensation for Potter as according to their OS from November 2019:

Brighton & Hove Albion have extended the contract of head coach Graham Potter to 2025, after his impressive start in the role.

Brian Harrison
9 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:25:27
I have to admit I had never heard of Galtier but I just read up on his career.

He joined St Etienne in 2009, who were in danger of being relegated, but Galtier managed to keep them up. The following 4 years, they qualified for Europe.

In 2017, he joined Lille, who were in 18th place when he took over, and they avoided relegation by 1 point. Then, in 2019, they finished 2nd to PSG and this season, they have finished as Champions. So he has proved that he can vastly improve a team not once but twice and has also proved he can produce a team to beat PSG with all their great players to the title.

So, for me at least, he ticks some of the boxes that Nuno or Potter or Howe tick; the downside is he hasn't managed in the Premier League, but neither had Wenger. So maybe we are at long last starting to at least look in the direction of managers who can build a side and win titles.

Colin Glassar
10 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:26:23
Well, it's true. He's from Alsace-Lorraine. It's a long story.

My point being, four of the five “French” managers mentioned have been crap.

Michael Boardman
11 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:27:59
This country, this club. To get nothing for that prick bailing says all we need to know. What a shit show this club is. Well done, Bill and your rich fake Bill. Fucking smiling bastards!!

Transfer deadline day, we sign Phil Jones and Maitland-Niles for £100M combined, having failed with an audacious bid for Grealish, who we will have been chasing all summer with our new manager, Fabio Capello, with Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin going onwards.

Peter Warren
12 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:29:44
Brian 9# I’ve never heard of him either. Certainly sounds like he has excellent credentials.
Barry Hesketh
13 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:33:08
Colin @10
We need a German Shepherd to bring back the 'dogs of war' spirit.
Kim Vivian
14 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:36:10
Personally I am bereft of ideas as to who might worl best for us. However after the last half dozen flower pots, (Duncan excepted), I would like to see some energy, fight and pasion on the sidelines.
John Pickles
15 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:37:01
In Sky Sports piece on Galtier, it also says, regarding the shortlist, the boardroom have discussed Marco Silva. Priceless.
Dave Evans
16 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:39:54
So let me get this straight, Galtier, who beat big spending Paris Saint- Germain to the title is crap because he is French.
I would prefer conclusions as to the professional competency of the poor chap based more on an empirical analysis of his record.
Brian Harrison
17 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:45:14
Colin 10

Yes apart from Wenger the French coaches who have managed in the premier league haven't been very successful, but to write of a whole nations coaches because some havent worked out seems a tad harsh. I mean I wouldn't say no to Zidane and that Didier Deschamps did ok winning the World Cup and could easily win this years Euros.

Danny O’Neill
18 Posted 08/06/2021 at 19:48:27
As there are many threads on this, I'm repeating myself. I repeat myself a lot. But I'm particularly repeating myself even more right now.

My son is big on this one but I don't know enough about him and don't watch French football enough so would appreciate others' views.

Going to be another long night for the dogs.

Hugh Jenkins
19 Posted 08/06/2021 at 20:08:42
The picture of him, from the link in the article, makes him look like a desperado "hired gun" out of one of Clint Eastwood's 1960s spaghetti westerns.
If we get him, let's hope he can shoot from the hip.
Dan Nulty
20 Posted 08/06/2021 at 20:17:21
Galtier looks like the real deal. Really good at improving players and therefore their sell on value. Plays 442.

Fits in with our model as he is a motivator and a coach and will rely on Brands bringing in raw talent.

Benjamin Dyke
21 Posted 08/06/2021 at 20:21:28
Does he speak English, Portuguese, French, Scouse and Spanish? If yes he gets my vote
Ian Horan
22 Posted 08/06/2021 at 20:21:57
Its getting to the stage of I don't care!!!! Anymore, just get me to the start of 2024 season in our new shinny stadium. That first game against TRFC should be a good game two evenly matched teams someone let me know when this nightmare is over and EFC have footballing credibility again...
Sean Kelly
23 Posted 08/06/2021 at 20:28:06
WE are depending on the gobshite boardroom to decide which manager. Jesus wept they can't even decide on either hob nobs or custard creams.
Sean Kelly
24 Posted 08/06/2021 at 20:29:57
Ian that's a typo. It's 3024
Barry Hesketh
25 Posted 08/06/2021 at 20:42:14
According to one report, Galtier remains under contract with Lille and therefore they want compensation in return for him being released from his contract.


The manager has one year left on his contract with Lille, and according to Le10Sport, he’s engaged in talks with Nice for a three-year deal. However, Lille are demanding between €8m and €10m to release him.

They say Lille knew about Galtier’s wish to leave the club for a while, and had a gentlemen’s agreement not to make it public. Now, however, they’re playing hard to let the champion leave them.

Tony Abrahams
26 Posted 08/06/2021 at 20:43:35
The bastards over the park hounded a Frenchman out of Anfield, not long after he nearly died a martyr, won a few cups, and gave them their total professionalism back.
Peter Thistle
27 Posted 08/06/2021 at 21:02:19
Potter ? fuck off, i'd rather a ball boy managed the team
David Pearl
28 Posted 08/06/2021 at 21:03:29
Tony, should we hire someone with high blood pressure just in case? It might also save on paying out a contract if he doesn't work out.

Sean, it has to be hobnobs. If only the choice of manager was that easy.

Andrew Ellams
29 Posted 08/06/2021 at 21:24:09
Gautier improves struggling teams and brings in young dynamic players. The opposite to Ancelotti and sounds like he'd work better with Brands
Andrew Grey
30 Posted 08/06/2021 at 21:35:43
cough, cough, was Frenchman Houlierr's reign across the park a failure?
Brian Wilkinson
31 Posted 08/06/2021 at 21:36:25
Peter, I would rather have Brian Potter from the Phoenix club.
Ray Roche
32 Posted 08/06/2021 at 21:41:42
So, no French manager because of Puel et al.

So, no Ferguson because of Walter Smith, no Potter because of Kendall mk3.?

Painted into a corner methinks.

Anthony A Hughes
33 Posted 08/06/2021 at 21:45:45
Stadium for 2024 season? 2 and a half years away, we'll be lucky for that one, we don't even have a start date yet.
Hugh Jenkins
34 Posted 08/06/2021 at 21:54:05
We, outside of the inner sanctum, can only speculate as to what is happening.
However, it is encouraging, as far as I am concerend that this process is taking longer than we hoped.

Let's be honest, at the start of this week, when we first learned that Ancelotti had left us, high and dry, with Nuno being available, and apparently having been interviewed, many of us would have said "yes" a ready made replacement.

However, for one, the board do not appear to be taking the 'knee jerk" course and are actually trying to find the right fit for the clubs ambitions.
Hopefully, they get it righrt and we can sart to aim in the right direction in the league table, as well as in the City of Liverpool.

Soren Moyer
35 Posted 08/06/2021 at 21:55:53
Colin # 10, As we all know football nowadays is not what it was 10-15 years ago and the modern coaches are not the same as a decade ago either! Take Jose as an example!

Benjamin # 21, I am sure he do speak Portuguese as Portuguese people are the largest foreign nationals in France lol. But seriously, the languages are very similar I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Matthew Williams
36 Posted 08/06/2021 at 21:59:08
It keeps getting worse by the day,I don't want either plus both would require a buyout costing the club millions...at this rate even my man could be considered!...(a Blue can dream).

I see the "the world's greatest Evertonian"has been ranting on Twitter having a go at both Brands and Moshiri,but strangely not a savage world about our beloved Chairman (how strange!),it would seem that Mike "Porky" Parry wants Dyche in the hot seat...sigh.

"Winning isn't everything,wanting to win everything is"...sublime!.

Soren Moyer
37 Posted 08/06/2021 at 22:11:57
Barry # 25, My apology as I read somewhere last week that he had resigned! Obviously LOSC won't let him go for nothing so they want between 2.5 and 3 million euros to free his contract. He has 1 year left with them (Source, The Parisian via 24hfootnews).
Jimmy Hogan
38 Posted 08/06/2021 at 22:28:05
From the brasseries of Lille to chicken curry 'alf and 'alf. Welcome Christophe.
Danny O’Neill
39 Posted 08/06/2021 at 22:32:12
Not interested where the manger comes from.

Houllier and Wenger didn't fair too badly. Built their respective clubs back up and won trophies along the way.

French, German or Scouse, I really don't care. Just get the appointment right and be ambitious.

Jim Potter
40 Posted 08/06/2021 at 22:43:54
Whether he's French or from Mars I don't give a monkeys; but to beat the mega star millionaires of PSG to the title is very impressive.

He's good at bringing young talent through and plays 2 up front? That's an improvement on Carlo's bore fest.

Allez les Bleus!


Graeme Beresford
41 Posted 08/06/2021 at 23:23:55
Is it sad that I’ve lost total patience with this. I was looking forward to Carlo’s summer plans to see who we could get in, what big names like Allan and James were going to follow to improve on our tenth place finish now I really don’t even care anymore.

I’ve lost complete faith in Everton and I’m actually gutted about it. It’s the first time ever in my life I can honestly say that I think the whole club is a joke. We are destined to forever be in our neighbour’s shadow and the laughing stock of the city. The only good thing about last season was beating them away and watching James play in an Everton shirt. Apart from that it feels like a season wasted.

I don’t even care who we hire now. I’m not defending an Everton manager ever again, as they seem to do well in their first season, not as good second season, then they get sacked. Seriously what’s the point. Hire someone who’s managing in the conference and see what they can do. All these names;

Nuno
Moyes
Gerrard
Rangnick
Gautier
Potter
Howe
Ferguson
Benitez
Conte
Pirlo

Honestly, I’m fed up hearing about them. To me none of them are up for the challenge. To get the best out of our poor squad and sign good, hard working replacement’s on a lot less money than Bolasie, Walcott, Tosun etc.

Honestly don’t even know what to think anymore. It’s a poorly run, poorly managed and fans are continually poorly let down.

Soren Moyer
42 Posted 08/06/2021 at 23:24:11
And now it seems Levy is in for him as well ffs!
Minik Hansen
43 Posted 08/06/2021 at 23:24:41
What does it say about Galtier leaving a club like Lille with 1 year left on the contract? Well, I guess if he can improve the team, he is welcome to do so.
Though I believe Nuno can continue the work with the current team having South American connection.
Kevin Molloy
44 Posted 08/06/2021 at 00:04:42
i can see us going toe to toe with spurs in a battle royal for our french fancy. After an uncertain half an hour following talks spurs confirm a three year contract, and the Everton delegation will head down the m27 to camp outside the amex. After a couple of days shenanigans, Potter will confirm how flattered he has been but that he is committed to Brighton.
The next day Evertontv will have an hour long interview with Dunc about how all his dreams have come true, and he's still pinching himself, and how he'd like to thank everyone for the faith shown in him, especially Mr Moshiri and the Chairman.
Jamie Sweet
45 Posted 09/06/2021 at 00:30:35
Potter won at Anfield this year so he'll do for me. Can't be bothered putting much more thought into it than that.

Oh, and his xG and xGA stats for Brighton were phenomenal, if you're into that sort of thing.

Derek Knox
46 Posted 09/06/2021 at 05:36:58
Brian @ 31, as long as Den Perry went to Mordor too, that could work out! :-)

I must admit I had never considered Galtier as a possible candidate as with Marcelo Gallardo, but the more I have read about both, they would equally and potentially be able to deliver what we want.

They are both driven, focused, and seem to be able to not only get a tune out of the players under their tutelage, but also get the results to go with it. As many have said Potter is likely to stay at Brighton and Compensation could be involved. We have had enough compo cases to last a lifetime.

Jim Harrison
47 Posted 09/06/2021 at 07:03:06
Potter? Please no.

Dan Nulty
48 Posted 09/06/2021 at 07:27:22
The people arguing for Potter keep telling me about Brighton's chances created and expected goals stats and that they only needed a decent striker and they'd have won loads more games.

That is all well and good but Potter has had 2 years to find a goalscorer and he came up with 20m on Maupay and a Welbeck free transfer. Perhaps Brands is thinking he will find the players and Potter can just coach them.

Tony Abrahams
49 Posted 09/06/2021 at 07:27:26
I’ve also envisaged this scenario Kevin, and I can feel the frustration amongst Evertonians, because there just doesn’t seem to be a stand out choice.

Moyes - fuck him, Benitez- red c**t, Potter - will he be strong enough, Galtier - why does he want to leave the Champions? At least Palace have took away Nuno! but whoever is still standing, once the dominoes begin to rapidly fall, has got to be a strong man imo, because the frustrations of many are really simmering, and this means the Everton hot seat will be roasting hot, and could possibly melt away most men?

Matt Traynor
50 Posted 09/06/2021 at 07:31:09
Jamie #45, around 1/3 of the PL won at Mordor this year. Including Dyche and Parker!

Like most, stopped caring. Having just discovered the no-compo clause in our previous manager's contract, all I can say is "Everton, that".

Marc Hints
51 Posted 09/06/2021 at 07:33:57
well according to Fabrizio on twitter Christophe Galtier will sign on as Nice manager today so he is definitely out of the running
Danny O’Neill
52 Posted 09/06/2021 at 07:38:24
Just back from my morning run / walk with the hounds. As always, they listened to me politely and I felt great in the blind speculative optimism that Everton are talking to Rangnick, Terzic and Ten Hag.

Thanks Tony and Kevin, you've just sent me back into anxiety mode!!

Tongue in cheek aside, the silence is kind of reassuring me that the club are actually out there negotiating rather than defaulting to the easy option. That would be done now if it was the preference. Like Kendall's 3rd coming, it would be if no one else wanted us.

Watch me fall on that sword and those words!!

Good morning everyone. Here we go again.

Trevor Peers
53 Posted 09/06/2021 at 07:52:10
What a strange football club we have become, absolutely no urgency to appoint a new manager, probably because we have big Dunc on standby if our interest in the only remaining candidate Harry Potter comes to nothing.

All ambition seems to have long died out, as we gear ourselves up for the inevitable looming relegation battle that next season will bring. So sad to see us in such a desperate mess.

Dave Abrahams
54 Posted 09/06/2021 at 07:54:39
I think Everton are on the right lines with Potter, as his initials, GP, indicate, but I think we need more than a general practitioner, we need someone more senior like a consultant or even a heart transplant surgeon, but we seem to be getting there.
Sam Hoare
55 Posted 09/06/2021 at 07:59:57
2 talented, young, modern coaches who play nice football.

Yes, please.

Of course there is the danger they turn out to go the Marco Silva way but to me it so clearly represents our best chance of moving forwards. Brendan Rogers and Leicester have shown how a club of our stature can move forwards; talented young coach able to progress and motivate well recruited talented young players.

Colin Glassar
56 Posted 09/06/2021 at 08:01:45
Hopefully any candidate will be thoroughly researched and analysed this time. I'm just glad Ginge the Minge and serial group hugger, NES, are no longer in the mix.
Mick O'Malley
57 Posted 09/06/2021 at 08:02:45
If it is Potter, he'll do for me, as long as he brings Yves Bissouma with him.
Thomas Richards
58 Posted 09/06/2021 at 08:16:04
Graham Potter apparently has a degree in social science.

He will need every bit of his knowledge in that field to work out what is coming his way if he gets the job.

Brian Williams
59 Posted 09/06/2021 at 08:24:53
Get a grip Trevor.
Ian Burns
60 Posted 09/06/2021 at 08:41:01
I work with five other consultants who are based worldwide, although my own role is much smaller now long into retirement. However, one of my colleagues is from Munich and obviously supports Bayern and another is from Paris and supports PSG. You can imagine the stick I take!

However, the point of my post is that when Poch was appointed to the manager's role at PSG, my Paris colleague was screaming that PSG should have paid whatever they had to pay to get Galtier - and that was BEFORE he won the title with Lille. He said this morning that he prayed Galtier came to the UK as he feels either Lille or Nice will be a major problem for PSG next season if he remains in France!

He also said that if it was a choice between EFC and Spurs - he made his apologies! Nuff said.

Danny O’Neill
61 Posted 09/06/2021 at 08:46:17
Interesting insight Ian Burns, thank you. Like I said last night, my son is quite enthused about that link, but I just don't know enough about him or the French league.
Christopher Timmins
62 Posted 09/06/2021 at 09:01:17
Assuming that Nuno will be plying his trade at Palace next season then Galtier is the logical choice among the currently available managers. He would be an interesting choice. Potter would also be an interesting choice but he is in a job at present.

Interest times ahead!

Mal van Schaick
63 Posted 09/06/2021 at 09:07:31
Potter should bring his brother Harry! It’s going to take a lot of magic to sort the present squad out.
Colette Black
64 Posted 09/06/2021 at 09:08:36
There's a Sky sports report linking Galtier now (Alan Myers) - a reiteration of the Campos 'ideal fit for Everton' story.

Must say - he is now my preferred choice, with Gallardo number two.

Clive Rogers
65 Posted 09/06/2021 at 09:21:16
This saga is going to run as long as Coronation Street.
Rob Halligan
66 Posted 09/06/2021 at 09:21:28
According to the red echo, palace have pulled the plug on signing Nuno due to his demands. So he could be back on the radar.
Andrew Ellams
67 Posted 09/06/2021 at 09:28:37
To be fair replacing somebody who claimed he wasn't a magician with a guy called Potter would be very Everton.
Trevor Powell
68 Posted 09/06/2021 at 09:59:04
From one Trevor to another @53, all the other PL teams with managerial vacancies have had quite a time already to do their research on the next appointments. We have had a week after the sidewinder slid away to a future humiliation when he does not win the CL next year. Believe it or not, only clubs that have been tapping up managers can act more quickly!

Think we have dodged a bullet with Nuno Espirito Santo opting for Palace. What a lack of ambition! Palace staying in the PL is the bar set by their board for success and now less likely without their beloved Zaha on the park! Which of his ex-Wolves players are going to advance their careers by following him there?

EFC might not be all there yet but at least we theoretically have ambitions of the TOP Four and Europe and we may have got much closer without "Carlo the Tragicamente" deciding that attack had no place at Goodison Park especially when you are playing the bottom eight in the PL.

Derek Knox
69 Posted 09/06/2021 at 10:07:26
Clive @ 65, so is Albert Tatlock in the running too, with Len Fairclough monitoring the ladies and girls ? 😜
Danny O’Neill
70 Posted 09/06/2021 at 10:11:25
Have to say, some of the posts here are making me openly chuckle to myself. At least we can all laugh about it. If we didn't, we'd cry!

Thanks all.

Right back to obsessive internet watching for latest rumours.

Marc Hints
71 Posted 09/06/2021 at 10:18:49
Well it is being reported that Nuno was about to sign then asked for fresh demands so Palace have walked away - now if that is true then that type of person/character is not what we want at our club! Changing or demanding more is not someone who cares about a club
Mike Keating
72 Posted 09/06/2021 at 10:35:56
Marc #71
My reaction too.
I always thought Nuno came across as a decent person (not necessarily the quality needed in football management) but this got me thinking he’s just milking it in the belief that he had Palace over a barrel. I’m not sure his demands are about money but a previous warning that he wants to bring his entire back room staff with him - that’s a P45 to a few already at Finch Farm and another load of compo to fork out if it goes belly up.
Galtier or Rangnick for me.
Jack Convery
73 Posted 09/06/2021 at 10:38:01
Brian 31 - Brian Potter - great shout.

On his meeting Little Miss Dynamite - the things I'm gonna do to you !!

By the way what about Frodo. He's been to Mordor and sacrificed his ring to destroy them. That's the commitment we need.

Marc Hints
74 Posted 09/06/2021 at 11:07:52
Mike @72

Yes agree, he has a lot of backroom staff apparently and just don't think it looks good if you start demanding, just makes me feel there are there for the demands and not actually wanting to be at the club and care

Dennis Stevens
75 Posted 09/06/2021 at 11:12:19
Talking of back room staff, I believe Potter took his team with him when he moved from Swansea to Brighton. So, one would assume he'd probably want to do the same again, if he could be tempted to move here.
Michael Lynch
76 Posted 09/06/2021 at 11:38:57
It sounds like the same rumour about backroom staff that supposedly led to us stopping negotiations with Nuno.

Surprising really - most managers seem to bring their "team" with them these days. Was he asking to bring a beard-consultant, pole-dancing trainer, and toastie chef as well as the usual assistant coach, fella with the iPad, and chief ear-whisper that tend to be vital to the modern manager on the touchline?

Tom Harvey
77 Posted 09/06/2021 at 11:42:02
According to the bookies Nuno Espirito is now favourite to become EFC manager again and third favourite for the CP job?

Don't know what to make of that?

Jack Convery
78 Posted 09/06/2021 at 11:46:47
Maybe Nuno wants to come to EFC, so he asked for something guessing CP would say no. Now they broke off the deal and not him. I just hope whoever comes that BK does not insist DF is part of the deal. Let whoever comes do his thing, Let him Have people around he wants and not former players imposed on him.

BK _ well Big Dunc how's the new manager shaping up

DF - och yarr, Billy Bollochs, macdoo, ydreeky arr, yer saasenachi mucka.

BK - that bad eh !

Dan Nulty
79 Posted 09/06/2021 at 12:01:58
Ignore the bookies, it wouldn't surprise me if they started all these rumours to try and get people to back these guys.
Paul Hewitt
80 Posted 09/06/2021 at 12:08:44
It's between potter and Duncan, thats it. If they can't get Potter Ferguson will get it.
Andrew Ellams
81 Posted 09/06/2021 at 12:12:20
Michael @ 76, I think the issue with Santo's demands is the number of backroom staff he wants to bring in which would mean Everton or Palace having to payoff existing staff to accommodate them.
Steve Brown
82 Posted 09/06/2021 at 12:13:55
The silence from Goodison makes me more optimistic - there is a proper search underway led by Brands, as it should be.
Jimmy Hogan
83 Posted 09/06/2021 at 12:19:16
What I like about Galtier is he wins things.
John Hammond
84 Posted 09/06/2021 at 12:19:41
I think Potter would be too big a risk. Nice footy but whatever the underlying stats say Brighton have finished on 41 points both seasons he's been in charge. Would've been in a relegation battle until the last day this season had the bottom 3 not been truly terrible. (I know we signed Martinez after relegating Wigan).

Galtier or Favre would be my options.

Robert Tressell
85 Posted 09/06/2021 at 12:20:03
Sam @55, Silva certainly ended up out of his depth but, in fairness, that side he put together before the departure of Zouma and Gueye was going places. The injury to Gbamin and failure to sign Zouma and Zaha is what scuppered him. He was unable to stabilise the side once things started to go bad, but with the right tools he might well still be the job. The key thing, if we get someone a bit inexperienced, is to at least make sure they are not hung out to dry by bad recruitment.
Tom Harvey
86 Posted 09/06/2021 at 12:20:13
Paul Hewitt @ 80

I wouldn't be too disappointed with either or them, atleast we'd see some fight.

Dunc is a fair bit more pragmatic and tactically astuste than some give him credit for on here, that ManU game he really showed he can both have ago and adapt the team to defend when the pressure is one.

Potter has impressed me with good fluent attacking football with plenty of guile. You have to wonder what he might of achieved with a decent finisher? I also ponder does he have a plan B, remember Bobby Brown shoes?

Steve Brown
87 Posted 09/06/2021 at 12:35:27
I've worked out a formula for hiring the next manager:

Years of management experience x trophies won X factor of 2 for trophy in Top 4 league - last league position = managerial quotient.

(Top 4 league = England/Spain/Italy/Germany).

It looks like genius to me, but then I barely passed my Maths GCSE.

Tom Harvey
88 Posted 09/06/2021 at 12:41:41
Steve @ 87

It wouldn't surprise me if the put all the names in a hat and asked BK to pull one out at the end of all of this.

Dennis Stevens
89 Posted 09/06/2021 at 12:43:28
I couldn't understand why the name Galtier seemed familiar to me & then I realised that I'm thinking of the guy that invaded the Falklands!
Steve Brown
90 Posted 09/06/2021 at 12:55:58
Dennis @ 89, General Galtieri! Now that would have been an controversial hire! Unfortunately, he died but I'd take Pocchetino instead.
Brian Harrison
91 Posted 09/06/2021 at 13:07:53
I see the Red Echo are saying that Liverpool are to be fined £3.6 million for their part in the ESL fiasco. Should this be the case then I can only assume the clubs involved will be absolutely delighted, it doesnt even amount to a smack on the wrists. It seems as if the premier league are saying look just to appease the other 14 clubs we have to impose a fine but we will keep it to what you would spend on a young 18 year old joining your academy.

What Everton and the other clubs who weren't involved think I have no idea. But if ever Everton needed the green light to absolutely smash the FFP rules then this is absolutely the time. How could they possibly sanction a points deduction if Everton did break the FFP rules when they hand out derisory fines for clubs who tried to break up the Premier League.

Andrew Ellams
92 Posted 09/06/2021 at 13:17:02
Looks like the ESL punishment is £20m split 6 ways and there is a story that another similar attempt will come with a £20m fine each and a 30 point deduction. How is that a punishment of they're off to join a different league for mega bucks?
Ray Jacques
93 Posted 09/06/2021 at 13:19:19
We were crap before Ancelotti, crap with him, and we will be crap after him

Please let me be wrong on the last one.

As someone once said on here, it’s the hope that kills you. COYB

Anthony Murphy
94 Posted 09/06/2021 at 13:43:46
Either are risky and not as safe a bet as some, but I would get behind either. At least it may show Brands is finally having his say?

Lille winning Ligue 1 was quite remarkable given the strength of PSG but it's a pretty poor league and a world away from the Premier League. Have a look at the Ligue 1 winning managers over the last 20 years.

Potter – I honestly reckon his stock wouldn't be as high if it wasn't for Pep recently calling him the best English manager. On saying that, I'd be okay compared to some other candidates.

Pete Cross
95 Posted 09/06/2021 at 14:04:04
Steve@90 how about comical Ali for chairman
Paul Smith
96 Posted 09/06/2021 at 14:28:06
It’s all a bit depressing the name’s that are out there. I was overjoyed when we got Carlo but disappointed with the end of the season so not at all devastated when he left but looking at some of the names we’re linked with it appears we’re in a difficult moment. 😉
Brian Wilkinson
97 Posted 09/06/2021 at 15:05:40
Tommy@88 if we did pull the names out of a hat, you can guarentee we would pull out 7 and 3/8ths.
Brian Wilkinson
98 Posted 09/06/2021 at 15:09:05
Brian@91, I said the same a week or so back, go out and smash our ffp, worse case scenario a transfer ban for 12 Months, if they try and deduct points, Moshiri will have the very best too lawyer fighting our case, with the Euro super league fine, giving them plenty of ammunition.
Adrian Evans
99 Posted 09/06/2021 at 16:38:47
I think big Sam would be assured of keeping us in the Premier League with 38 games to manage.🤣🤣🤣🤣
But if yiu give him Pre Season, £200million to spend, then we got a good chance of winning the Premier League FA Cup Caraboa Cup, Champions League,Super Cup to.

Plus no manager will enjoy playing us.

Weve played in an empty Goodision, worst home record in our history.

????
What do we want???

We had Angellotti and Crap.

Potter will do.??

Gatier, hell do to.

Eddie would be ok.

There are no guarentees are there, ask Pep.

Just get one in, give him time, money and leave him to get on with it.
But demand the team have ago at home.Be difficult away, lose no more than 4, draw no more than 6.

Hey ho.

Justin Doone
100 Posted 09/06/2021 at 16:49:49
Happy to take time to ensure right manager is brought in.

I'm surprised to ready so many fans 'don't care' or would be happy with 'whoever'.

For me we need better players. The positions and players should have been identified already before Carlo left. Brands needs to get on with bringing players in.

If Moyes is the no go benchmark, then I'm not sure why Dunc or Dyche are even mentioned. Nuno is no better, Potter, Wilder all defensively nieve and very Silva-esq.

Neil Copeland
101 Posted 09/06/2021 at 17:12:08
Brian #97, ha ha could be worse, might be Bills hat!
Daniel A Johnson
102 Posted 09/06/2021 at 17:19:29
Lets get big Dunc in and Joey Barton as his No 2.

Its what we want isn't it? Hugging ball boys and decking managers in the tunnel.

Barry Rathbone
103 Posted 09/06/2021 at 17:49:42
Just watched Potter's interviews and it's easy to see why "tactics" devotees are all over him pushing counters around a table and talking "football chess" he looked close to arousal.

BUT!! given inspiration and innovation are the REAL keys to transforming mid table bananas like us the image of Marco Silva and his vacant "I'm out of my depth" look kept appearing.

This ain't no place for the faint hearted - it's a no from me and uncle Horatio

Nicholas Ryan
104 Posted 09/06/2021 at 17:51:35
How about announcing, that we will make an appointment on the 1st of January 2022. In the meantime, the current assistant manager will take charge of team affairs?

That doesn't bind anybody to anything; gives us time to conduct a proper search; and if 'the current' does the business, all to the good! If he doesn't, then we sign some outsider with a bit of pedigree.

Danny Baily
105 Posted 09/06/2021 at 18:08:26
Potter’s record hardly merits being on the shortlist. I hope this is just paper talk.
Daniel A Johnson
106 Posted 09/06/2021 at 18:13:01
If I had to choose between Potter/Howe/Dyche

I'd prob go Dyche tbh

Colin Glassar
107 Posted 09/06/2021 at 18:43:54
Dyche is just a ginger haired version of fat Sam.
Daniel A Johnson
108 Posted 09/06/2021 at 18:54:25
Colin [107]

Took 5 points of a 3 times champions league winning manager though ;-)

Barry Hesketh
109 Posted 09/06/2021 at 18:55:48
An interesting insight into how Potter views football from a couple of years ago.

After 14 years of work to get here, Potter’s stock is sky-high, his appointment regarded as a coup by Dan Ashworth, the technical director, and Tony Bloom, the owner, but he is in no doubt that he must deliver. “In my position you cannot use time as an excuse,” he says. “Of course, we want to be better, improve, and we will do. You can talk philosophy, identity, all these nice words – but you have to think in the short term as well. We are in a results game and you have to try and do your best to win.”


Graham Potter

Nuno's season at Wovles is given the once over with one local reporter's views saying:

“I think you’re bang on in terms of this season has exposed some of the limitations that he’s got as a manager. We speak about him being quite a defensive manager, a reactive manager, but with some of the players Wolves have got that shouldn’t be the case.

“It’s been desperate for 95 percent of the season. The only two performances which were good were the first game at Sheffield United and the win at Arsenal, which was really good.

“Hand on heart I struggle to think of another performance, as an all-round performance. Chelsea (away), we were very solid defensively but never looked like scoring. It’s just how long that style of football can be acceptable.

“It’s fickle because when results are there you gloss over the style of football more, and it’s exposed because there’s no supporters, but a lot of things have made the last few months how they are.

“For most of the season I think Wolves have been one of the three or four worst teams in the division, I think they’ve just started the season well and that’s helped them out a lot. I don’t think they’re a good team at all.”

Derek Taylor
110 Posted 09/06/2021 at 18:57:57
Nicholas @ 104. How about announcing we will fire whomsoever is in the job on 1st January 2022 ? ( Support staff to keep their jobs at the Chairman's discretion ).

Nuno is playing games with his likely appointment although hardly worthy of the time allowed him. He will, however, have plenty of time between now and the above date to be sackable so as to make way for Big Sam to save us from relegation. Again.

Colin Glassar
111 Posted 09/06/2021 at 18:58:41
Steve Bruce took 6 points off us as well, Daniel. I don’t want him either.
Thomas Richards
112 Posted 09/06/2021 at 19:01:24
The "board" need to get their act together.

Can't see any reason why, when they are discussing the new manager, they don't discuss the next one to be appointed in 18 months time.

Daniel A Johnson
113 Posted 09/06/2021 at 19:02:39
Good point Colin lol back in my box
Darren Hind
114 Posted 09/06/2021 at 19:25:08
Barry @209,

Thanks for the link on Potter.

I know of him obviously, but he has largely gone under my radar.

Interesting read. I'll have a deeper delve...

Anthony Jones
115 Posted 09/06/2021 at 19:45:22
How about a manager nobody knows of?

Who just manages the team.

No huge ego, no brand, no baggage.

Let the Sporting Director recruit and lead on contracts.

Let the commercial side do whatever it does.

Let the manager coach the team.

Rob Halligan
116 Posted 09/06/2021 at 19:55:54
Daniel, you can't take five points off anyone!!
Darren Hind
117 Posted 09/06/2021 at 20:09:49
You didn't grow up round Greatie, Rob.
Darren Hind
118 Posted 09/06/2021 at 20:10:33
Sorry Rob

I thought you said five pounds

Robert Tressell
119 Posted 09/06/2021 at 20:18:05
Barry #109. In fairness, a lot of Wolves fans are v sad to see Nuno go after getting promotion, making Europe and developing a stylish and technical (if not thrilling) team. He was unlucky too to lose Jiminez with Fabio Silva called upon too soon as a replacement. I don't think that journalist's views are representative.

Nuno could at least steady the ship, coach and improve and incorporate some Brands signings into the team - with a view to really kicking on at the point the stadium is built.

That's not a bad option for the next three years, especially if we can get back in the Europa league - which is something we could win.

Not the most exciting or ambitious option, granted, but we're a club off 12th and 10th finishes in the last 2 seasons with a deteriorating squad.

Much as I love the idea of big ambitious appointments, I can't see that being matched by an ambitious transfer kitty. That therefore leads to further tension within a club already pulling in too many different directions.

That's why I think Potter may also be a good fit too. By no means roaring successes but a step in the right direction.

Rob Halligan
120 Posted 09/06/2021 at 20:22:58
Darren, you've only got to walk around Broadway in Nogsy. You'll find plenty of "fivers" in there!!

Guess you won't understand that!!

Christy Ring
121 Posted 09/06/2021 at 20:25:07
If we already interviewed Nuno, and he then agreed to become Palace manager, who then pulled the plug because of his extra demands, why is he still on our radar??
Dan Nulty
122 Posted 09/06/2021 at 20:30:27
Apparently Nuno was demanding ridiculous money because he has verbally agreed to be Portugal manager after the Euros. Don't know how true that is. It is why we and Palace have walked away from discussions.

Fonseca to Spurs which is a relief, they haven't taken someone decent off the market.

Joe McMahon
123 Posted 09/06/2021 at 20:40:15
Allsorts of conflicting info on Nuno. I read on this site he wanted his own number 2 and didn't want to have to accommodate Duncan.
Denis Richardson
124 Posted 09/06/2021 at 20:56:19
Personally after thinking Koeman and Ancelotti were both excellent appointments initially, I'm beyond caring now as it's all a lottery.

They only thing I would ask is please do not bring back an ex just for the sentimental nonsense. No Moyes and no Rooney - albeit I can see a double combo of the two would be BKs dream!

Just someone sensible who doesn't talk nonsense in front of the cameras like Martinez!

Sam Hoare
125 Posted 09/06/2021 at 21:02:43
Fonseca going to Spurs. Very decent manager who unlike Galtier has managed in 3 different countries. Thought he would be one the best ‘available' options for us.

Nuno would not have been close to Palace job if we were interested surely. Ferguson would have been appointed by now if he were the favourite right? Wonder what Brands has up his sleeve. Something unexpected? Gasperini? Andre Villas Boas? Zidane?

Dale Self
126 Posted 09/06/2021 at 21:09:48
How is Gasperini's English? He claims to be happy there.
Seb Niemand
127 Posted 09/06/2021 at 21:57:48
There aren't enough nopes in the world to put after the suggestion Potter gets the job. We've tried shiny young done nothings before.
Derek Knox
128 Posted 09/06/2021 at 22:12:55
Still leaning more to Galtier, the more I find out about him and his Track record, both Potter (which wouldn't be a bad consolation btw) and Nuno do have Premiership experience, but not sure if that is a major factor.

Interesting too in Lyndon's " Who would be your preferred choice to succeed Carlo Ancelotti Table " Christophe Galtier is not even listed yet could be ' the one '. Hope so!

Brendan McLaughlin
129 Posted 09/06/2021 at 22:18:57
Derek#128
Galtier is on the list with a healthy 5%
Phil Wood
130 Posted 09/06/2021 at 22:20:32
Seb 127 AND older experienced done it alls too who have blown the cash.
So where do we go now then?

Derek Knox
131 Posted 09/06/2021 at 22:24:36
Brendan, at 70 my eyesight is not as sharp as it was last week! :-)
Kristian Boyce
132 Posted 09/06/2021 at 22:25:06
Colin, you name Perrin in your list of terrible French managers. Do you want to guess who his number 2 was while he was at Pompey?Monsieur Galtier
Dale Self
133 Posted 09/06/2021 at 22:31:44
Okay so no done nothings and no done it alls. How about we just find out how dysfunctional Everton is by hiring Roy Keane. Should take about three weeks to get a scathing psychological profile of our management team from one of the great curmudgeons of all time. And then we could hire Dunc and tread from there.
Barry Hesketh
134 Posted 09/06/2021 at 22:49:49
Dominic King of the Mail online suggests that Benitez is in the frame and Moshiri is keen on talking to him.

Also high on Everton's list of targets are Potter, Martinez, and Galtier. Nuno's representatives have been spoken to, but their financial demands and the number of coaching staff that Nuno wants to bring with him are proving prohibitive, Moyes is also on the list but Everton has a good relationship with the Hammers, and King doubts that Everton will pursue the Scotsman for that reason.

Denis Richardson
135 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:08:26
Barry 134,

Please tell me that the Martinez you mention isn't BBS?

Sam Hoare
136 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:09:54
Those slagging off Potter and Galtier, I'm curious who you do want? And don't say Simeone or Conte or something unrealistic like that.

Would people really prefer Benitez and his dour football nudging us into the top 10 than taking a risk on a young, modern coach who plays good football and could easily end up as the next Marco Silva but may also be the next Brendan Rodgers?

Benitez, Moyes and Howe are all still in the running presumably. Along with some other very uninspiring options. Martinez? Surely not. Lampard?

Galtier, Potter, Ten Hag, Gallardo, Gasperini all look like decent options to me who play attractive, high-energy football. Risky perhaps but if were gonna stay in perpetual mid-table shouldn't we try to hope for some entertainment at least? I'd take Leeds last season over ours please.

Steve Carter
137 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:10:27
Good grief, Barry [134]. Martinez?
Nuno is sounding like high maintenance.
Benitez. No.
Galtier I’d prefer over the other two.
Kevin Molloy
138 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:17:31
I hesitate to say this, but Rafa is emerging as the candidate amongst a sea of mediocrity. If we can just get past his Liverpool past he could be an outstanding appointment.
That Liverpool side he built a few years ago on not much budget was formidable. And only Evertonians can appreciate what a combination Gareth Barry with Steven Gerrard could have been, they would have dovetailed perfectly.

And we need somebody to go like a dose of salts through FF without a backward glance. We could well have found our Luca Brasi

Mike Gwyer
139 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:23:06

Kevin #138.

We ain't ever going to get over his Liverpool past.

Kevin Molloy
140 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:28:07
Mike
let the process of forgiveness and reconciliation commence.
Simon Harris
141 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:31:20
Gobshites are out in force - First King and now Maddock in the Mirror suggesting Benitez is a front runner. Are they getting tipped off by their red contacts with Rafa.. BTW - can't stomach how many red hacks there are.. The mirror is like the shites fanzine
Bill Gienapp
142 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:31:30
As usual, Sam speaks a lot of sense.

I thought Benitez did an impressive job at Newcastle, when I was under the impression that he was keeping them in the Premier League through sheer force of will. But now that I've seen Steve Bruce of all people do basically the same job (if not better), well... it gives me pause.

Nuno sounds like he may have been trying to pit Everton and Palace against each other to get a sweeter deal, and will likely end up with nothing now.

Brent Stephens
143 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:33:02
Kevin, like you, I'm not bothered if somebody has had a life on the "dark side" in football. If they're the best fit for us, then let's go for it.
David James
144 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:40:05
One name I haven’t seen mentioned much yet is Arteta. I might be getting sentimental, or just senile, in my old age but the idea of him, with Tim Cahill and Duncan Ferguson assisting (and instilling some passion into this work-shy lot) - a new Holy Trinity if you like - wouldn’t fill me with dread... and would be infinitely preferable to Rafa.
Stephen Vincent
145 Posted 09/06/2021 at 23:58:15
Who ever it is a decision needs to be made and he needs to be given a chance.

We need to do something positive quickly, teams are already stealing a march on us as the transfer window opens.

Villa have already signed Buendia and Josh King, have moved for Ward-Prowse and Chis Wood and are supporting a manager who we would have sacked at the end of the season before last when they stayed up by a point.

Seems to me that they are now in exactly the position we want to be. Young exciting attacking side, Buendia, Watkins and Grealish scare the shit out of me, with a trusted manager and scouting team run by Graham McKenzie, the guy we should have taken from Leicester when we got Walsh.

Whatever is going on if we don't make a move soon there will be no one left to sign. City are releasing Phillips and are prepared to listen to offers for Bernardo Silva, now we might not get them anyway but we sure as hell won't with no one at the helm.

Andrew Keatley
146 Posted 10/06/2021 at 00:14:01
Stephen (145) - Are you really expecting Jack Grealish to be playing for Aston Villa next season? I’m expecting Villa to get their incomings sorted out early doors and the eventual (inevitable?) sale of Grealish to replenish the coffers. Everyone knowing you have £80 million in your back pocket tends to drive asking prices up.
Jay Harris
147 Posted 10/06/2021 at 00:36:06
Benitez last good year in the prem was about 17 years ago since when he has done very little!!
Stephen Vincent
148 Posted 10/06/2021 at 00:54:41
Andrew #146, not really but I can see them doing a part ex with City with Bernardo Silva going the other way plus say £50m.
Barry Jones
149 Posted 10/06/2021 at 01:49:22
Mick #57. I agree to take Potter if he brings Bissouma AND Lamptey. and possibly Trossard.
Barry Jones
150 Posted 10/06/2021 at 01:54:34
Of all the REALISTIC candidates that have been mentioned to date, to deliver what Evertonians would like, I would go for Potter.
Marc Hints
151 Posted 10/06/2021 at 07:49:53
We cannot go for Benitez, its another manager who is I think past his best years! lets go for the hungry managers who want to build teams and be successful and have the energy on the training pitch to teach players, it has to be Christophe Galtier for me, the way he built Lille and brining through the youth and they played some great football. He is also very Tactically astute. Something that our pervious managers seem to lack and that included Ancelotti. I really don't want a 60 + year old manager who is probably just looking for a last payday.
Mick O'Malley
152 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:15:36
Barry@149 Agreed
Tony Abrahams
153 Posted 10/06/2021 at 08:22:43
Not many people know who they want to get the Everton job, but most know who they don’t want to get it!

Don’t mention Luca Brasi, Kevin, because Everton have been treading water for that long now, but I do know what you mean though mate!

Being serious, Liverpool have always been a ruthlessly professional football club, so I’d also take Rafa Benitez, (a man who I genuinely used to absolutely detest) if only to instill this same ruthlessness into Everton?

His football might be a worry, especially coming on the back of Ancelotti’s dour brand, but we kid ourselves about things like the school of science really, however much it pains me to say it, and because my own wish for Everton, is for them to be a consistent football team, (near the top) this will only be achieved by becoming ultra-professional imo, and getting the shirkers right out of our club.

Sam Hoare
154 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:14:55
Really don't see the attraction with Benitez at all!! Aside from the obviously troubling history his recent coaching cv is far from impressive.

Yes he won the CL but that was 16 years ago!! And despite managing some great teams since he has not won a top flight league title since Valencia almost 20 years ago.

He didn't pull up many trees at Chelsea, was fairly mediocre at Real Madrid and Napoli and got Newcastle relegated. Then went to the Chinese wilderness and didn't do that well there either.

He's 61 and unlikely to be burning with hunger to take a club he once called small back to the pinnacle. Really don't understand people calling for him. Steve Bruce would be preferable.

I'm sure Benitez could probably charge us a small fortune to keep us around 10th with some turgid football but we surely need to be a touch braver than that?

Mike Keating
155 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:16:26
Benitez says he's 'hungry' to get back into the Premier League. Greedy more like. Another one at the end of his career looking for a big pay day.

As Bill (142) implies - he'd be a rich man's Steve Bruce.

Mike Keating
156 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:27:18
The Beatles summed it up over 50 years ago;

Have you seen the bigger piggies
In their starched white shirts?
You will find the bigger piggies
Stirring up the dirt,
Always have clean shirts to play around in
In their styes with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
In their eyes there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking
Everywhere there's lots of piggies
Living piggy lives
You can see them out for dinner
With their piggy wives
Clutching forks and knives to eat the bacon
(Repeat)

A ‘good whacking’ indeed!

Conor McCourt
157 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:28:05
I have a feeling it will be Martinez as the decision wasn't made quickly and if Belgium are doing well the momentum behind him will build.

For those laughing at the suggestion of Bobby being ridiculous I find this incredible. For the last eighteen months all I have heard about was Carlo's CV well personally I think Roberto's is hugely impressive considering the ammunition at his disposal, indeed it is phenomenal (sorry,couldn't resist).

At Swansea he is considered their best ever manager with statistically their record ever win percentage (roughly 10% better than Rodgers, Potter or Cooper), the creator of their philosophy and a league title to boot.

At Wigan likewise he is considered their best ever manager winning an FA Cup when you consider the squads he was up against and keeping them in the division all but one year, and on a meagre budget.

At Belgium he has turned a decent squad with a couple of world class players into the number one team in the world and got to the semi's of the World Cup only beaten by the Champions. Again statistically he is their best ever manager.

Even at Everton he achieved more in his three years than any other three year spell over the last three and half decades. 5th place with a record 72 point haul, last 16 in Europe and two cup semi's is pretty impressive on a limited budget. Had it not been for a poor decision which changed the game against Man City in the Carling Cup I personally believe we would have won that competition. Statistically he is also one of our best managers despite many of our fan base perception of him as a failure.

Personally I would love to see how the likes of Holgate, Gomes, Nkounkou, Richarlison and even Bernard would develop under him. He gets the best out of players and has improved them everywhere he has went.

I also think giving Bobby Moshiri's weaponry would make a huge difference and, as we seen from the signings of Barry and McCarthy, he will identify the key problems in the squad that need addressed which Ancelotti failed to do. He would also dovetail Brands beautifully and develop a core of homegrown and international talent so that we would have a foundation going forward.

Sam Hoare
158 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:48:45
Conor, you make a compelling argument and I confess you caused me to doubt my previous dismissal of Martinez. But then I took another look.

Yes, Martinez gave us our best league points total in a very long time. But he also gave us 2 of our worst totals in the last 15 years.

His first season was impressive though some might say it was built on a mix of his attacking philosophy and a defense that had been well drilled by Moyes. But it went downhill after that.

Only 47 points two seasons on the trot despite managing a team with the likes of Lukaku, Barry, Stones, Barkley does not look so good. No Everton manager has done worse since and you have to return to 2004 to find when we fared so badly before.

He was given three years and our league form got worse rather than better. He was and maybe still is a good manager for cup teams. We shall see in the the Euros. Perhaps he has corrected the faults he previously had, difficult to tell when he's managing an international team.

They say never go back and I think in this case they might be right.

Liam Heffernan
159 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:51:24
Conor I partially agree with you, we played some great football under Martinez, especially the first 2 seasons but his blatant disregard for defending was his and our downfall. If he has sorted that side of his coaching I would have him back in a heartbeat but I have my doubts, so as they say on Dragons Den I’m out on this one.
Derek Knox
160 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:52:31
Conor @ 157, I felt Bobby wasn't given enough time and paid the price for one poor season, but given money what could he have achieved? We may well have held on to Lukaku, after all said and done it was Martinez who got him to sign in the first place. Just think of the money we have blown since then ?

Having said all that I have NEVER advocated (not only for us, but any Club) re-signing Managers or Players doesn't work out ! I can't think of one instance that has disproved that theory. No doubt someone will come up with a name ( I'm all ears Noddy!) but if there is one even it would be a one-off!

Ray Robinson
161 Posted 10/06/2021 at 09:58:38
Conor, "turning a decent squad into the number one team in the world" is highly debatable isn't it? They were obviously already a pretty damn good team before he arrived. It's different managing a national side from a club team anyway. You don't have to motivate a team week, week out. You can't sign players etc. Players are highly motivated and can't aspire to move onto pastures new etc

This is a man who couldn't organise a defence, whose substitutions threw away leads, whose tactics were ignored by the players in order to avoid relegation, who wouldn't discipline a rogue penalty taker, whose teams played boring sideways football a lot of the time, who presided over a hastily cobbled together, disorganised pre-season tour, who signed substandard Wigan players, whose gobbledook and bullshittery were phenomenally embarrassing. I have to say that towards the end of his reign, some of the football played by his teams were as crap as anything Ancelotti managed to conjure up.

Aye but we had one great season under him. Out of three!

Koeman aside, he is the only manager at Everton whose services I was glad to see the club dispense with. Each to his own though eh?

John Pickles
162 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:10:52
Roberto 'No Plan B' Martinez, unless he brings his Belgium squad with him, no thank you.
Conor McCourt
163 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:21:39
Sam at that time the average Europa League team lost three places and nine points in the league. I believe we probably had the seventh or eighth place squad and his problem was he radically over achieved that first year and had only the same squad second year. Look where Koeman had us the year of Europe. His second year League showing was probably average or just below all things considered.

I agree the third season was a disaster and he was rightfully sacked but if Moshiri had have been braver and backed him on arrival there is no doubt in my mind we would have a much better squad.

I think the Cup manager is a red herring because at Swansea he is their record league points holder, at Wigan was decent and in the group qualification with Belgium it's almost perfect. One poor year at Everton and arguably one at Wigan( but wanted the cup) only validate that unsubstantiated claim.

As to the argument we were built on Moyes defence. We had primarily Seven defensive outfield players contributing to that defence. Only Distin,Jags and Baines played in defensive positions under Moyes. All three were getting on in years. McCarthy and Barry were key to that first seasons defensive shape. Coleman had only played on the right wing under Moyes and if I recall correctly Stones who played a few games also hadn't played under Moyes. Of course the Scot is a better defensive coach than Martinez but I believe this idea that Martinez was not responsible for that first season is grossly unfair and inaccurate. He is doing well defensively with poor defensive players at Belgium.

Sam Hoare
164 Posted 10/06/2021 at 10:31:16
Conor, fair enough. Looking at points alone is a bit reductive I grant you. Impossible to know how things might have fared if he'd have another season but my emotional memory is that I was relieved when he was sacked. My memory is of him being quite inflexible and us just conceding goals too often and too easily.

I'm certainly not suggesting he was not responsible and deserving of credit for the first season, but it does seem fair to note that there was a defensive solidity in the start of that season that began to evaporate towards the end and was totally gone by his second season.

It would be an intriguing appointment and certainly his CV is not without merit. Personally I would be nervous, till I had seen him organise a team in the top flight to be defensively solid over the course of at least one season.

Steve Carter
165 Posted 10/06/2021 at 12:07:44
Conor [157], who’s your dealer bro? I want some of what you’re scoring.
Jimmy Hogan
166 Posted 10/06/2021 at 13:49:09
This is why I would like to see Christophe Galtier at Everton:-

- Three times French manager of the year, League One
- Took Lille from one point off relegation in 2018 to runners up
in French league 2019 and a Champions League place
- League Cup winner in 2013 with Saint Etienne
- League One winner with Lille, 2020/21
- Renowned tactician
- Believes in developing young talent and has been praised for
it
- Resigned from Lille in 2021 because he is looking for a new challenge

Marc Hints
167 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:15:47
Goodness me Manuel Pellegrini now in talks according to some reports, if thats true then we really are scrapping the bottom of the barrel!
Francis van Lierop
168 Posted 10/06/2021 at 14:18:27
@ Jimmy 166

Those are impressive points.

He would certainly have my backing.

Joe O'Brien
169 Posted 10/06/2021 at 17:27:09
I'm for all taking their time. But I think enough time has passed to at least make an approach for someone.
Was it ever confirmed that we actually had talks with Nuno? All I've seen is that we're 'to have talks' with him!
The more time goes on I get the sense that different people in the boardroom want different managers and are pulling in opposite directions. I hope I'm wrong.
We should be seriously trying to convince Galtier. He looks a class act. If he says no.. then it's Potter for me. Nuno a distant 3rd.
Joe O'Brien
170 Posted 10/06/2021 at 22:01:41
Anyone hear rumours that we're actually talking to his agent and hope to reach an agreement by the end of the week?
David Midgley
171 Posted 10/06/2021 at 23:37:48
I quite like the idea of Galtier as manager. He seems to be able to get a group of players and blend them into a team with pace, effort and skill. Everton at the present time need this. He and his director of football seem to have unearthed some gems. His teams seem to be based on youth. We have that in abundance in the academies. If he came here perhaps his former DOF could become in charge of our world scouting.

Moyes, Benitez, Silva and Martinez, yesterday's men for us. The Turkish guy? Mrs Moshiri supposedly talking about him!!

Dyche, Potter. If they are so good why hasn't anybody snapped them up? Dunc, Carsley and Cahill? Why is Cahill always being mentioned?

Three running Everton? A camel is a horse designed by a committee. Zut alors... get the Frenchie in!

Hugh Jenkins
172 Posted 11/06/2021 at 08:55:57
Dave (171), Regarding Timmy Cahill - I've asked the same question several times on different threads and no one seems to be able to provide an answer.
I'm sure I saw a report of an interview with him where he said that he was not interested in coaching nor management, yet his name is forever being mentioned in this context.
Does anyone out there really know what he is doing, and what his intentions are?
Joe Corgan
173 Posted 11/06/2021 at 09:02:55
Hugh 172 - Tim has been doing his UEFA badges for a few years. He was at Finch Farm in 2019 doing his ‘A’ licence. I assume he’s gotten that by now but I would imagine he hasn’t got the ‘Pro’ licence yet. Clearly he has some interest in in becoming a coach or manager at some point.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tim-cahill-makes-everton-return-17027432.amp

Ray Roche
174 Posted 11/06/2021 at 09:11:12
Joe, Hugh, Cahill did have coaching schools for kids/youngsters in Australia several years ago which were well thought of and, I believe, quite successful. At the time though, Cahill wasn't directly involved with the coaching presumably because he wasn't qualified.

Why anyone would think he's suitable for managing a Premier League club alongside another novice, lacking in ambition, in Ferguson is beyond comprehension.


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