Lampard says Mina will miss most of the remaining games

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Frank Lampard says that Yerry Mina could be out until the final game of the season at Arsenal but says Ben Godfrey is battling to get himself back fit for the final set of games.

Mina had to come off after just 18. minutes of Everton's win at Leicester on Sunday with a thigh injury, the latest impediment to the Colombian being able to put together a run of matches to bolster the bid to avoid relegation.

He was sidelined between mid-February and the recent match against Chelsea and is back on the treatment table for at least the next three games but there was better news regarding Vitalii Mykolenko.

“Mykolenko is good," Lampard said. "He had cramp in the calves so he'll be good.

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“Yerry's not, he's got a small injury in his calf so he won't be playing in this game. Michael Keane was great [coming on at the King Power Stadium]. It's never easy coming into a pressure game 20 minutes in.

Donny van de Beek, who hasn't featured for a number of fixtures now to illness, his inability to play against his parent club, Manchester United, and a groin issue, is also ruled out.

“Donny's not ready," the manager continued. "We hope he'll be ready for next week's game, potentially the weekend. With Ben, similar. Ben's working with every ounce of sweat in his body to be fit and take part in the run-in and that's the sort of attitude we need.”

Asked if Mina might return for Everton's home game with Brentford on Sunday, Lampard said: “Probably not. We're probably looking now towards the last game that Yerry could be in contention for.”

 

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Jamie Crowley
1 Posted 10/05/2022 at 14:12:56
I know we're supposed to be more "gentile" these days, and yes, yes, yes, we can't truly know ourselves the extent of the injury to Mina.

But Jesus the optics are shit. Until proven otherwise, it looked to me like he was crying off.

Gut it up please Yerry.

I think Mina is a very, very good defender. We are definably better with him in the lineup. But we need to try to trade him in the summer. When you have a player who is injury prone / constantly injured, they're not worth paying. The unreliability of their health equates to a poor return on investment. Surely there's another CB out there who will stay healthy and can play every week, creating continuity in the lineup and squad?

Sorry Yeri, you seem like a good fella. But I won't cry a tear when you're missing or gone, I'm just too used to it.

Paul Hewitt
2 Posted 10/05/2022 at 14:22:54
I've never seen him go off injured for Colombia.
Jay Harris
3 Posted 10/05/2022 at 15:22:40
Yerry is a great character to have around the place and has ability, especially in the opposing box from corners and free kicks where he definitely upsets the opposing team.

Of course that is not very helpful when he is missing for 2/3 of the season and insists on playing for Colombia.

Time to cash in before the end of his contract I am afraid.

Also, has anyone heard why Branthwaite was not even on the bench on Sunday???

Alan McGuffog
4 Posted 10/05/2022 at 16:14:22
Mina is a decent player but we need shut. If you are employed in the real world and are constantly off sick, sooner or later Human Resources want you to see Occupational Health. If you're not up to the job you are shown the door. Sad but that's life. He has not earned his salary. Simple as.
And there are a few others at the club who need shipping out with him
Mal van Schaick
5 Posted 10/05/2022 at 16:20:04
Sad for Mina, but Keane was an able deputy on Sunday and hopefully he will carry on we’re he left off with another solid performance.

I agree with #3 Alan there are others that need shipping out irrespective of remaining in the Premier League. I hope Lampard realises this, and doesn’t keep faith with some of them remaining at the club, even if they do keep us up.

Paul Cherrington
6 Posted 10/05/2022 at 16:30:42
I would pretty much echo what others have said tbh. I like Mina and he seems a good person to have around the place. Plus there is no doubt we are better with him in the side and he is a decent player.

But my god - I have never come across a player who is so fragile and gets injured so regularly! Either he is made of glass or the medical department are not fixing whatever is up with him properly. I also find it suspicious he always seems able to play for his country with no issues most of the time. We need to get decent money for him in summer and sign a replacement who is at least as good & can stay fit

Shane Corcoran
7 Posted 10/05/2022 at 16:34:48
These aren’t recurring injuries either are they? I mean the most recent one wasn’t a calf was it?
Mike Gaynes
8 Posted 10/05/2022 at 16:39:29
I've said it before and I'll say it again -- we've missed Mina more this season than any other absentee, be it James or DCL or Davies or Rich or the unnamed footballer. If Yerry could have stayed healthy, we never would have been in this danger.

And Colombia likely would not have missed out on the World Cup. Mina played only 4 of their 13 qualifiers. (Paul #6 please note.)

Only 27 years old and can't stay on the pitch. It's not a good sign.

Tony Everan
9 Posted 10/05/2022 at 16:47:32
Our stats are very good when Yerry Mina plays. He makes a big difference as he’s a top quality defender when fully fit. It’s a crying shame his body is as reliable as a rusty Morris Marina.

If an acceptable offer comes in he will surely go in the summer. Finding a “reliable Yerry” in the summer will be a big priority for Frank. If he does find the right man it will be one of the signings that will have us fighting at the other end of the table next May.

Tony Waring
10 Posted 10/05/2022 at 16:59:09
A good footballer but no wonder Barca sold him. I bet they were glad to be rid although I confess I do not know what his playing record was with them.
David Bromwell
11 Posted 10/05/2022 at 17:08:47
Always thought that Mina was a poor athlete with an unusual running style and maybe this puts an added strain on his body.

For me, our best centre-back pairing is Michael Keane playing on the right with young Branthwaite on the left. But for some reason, Frank has been reluctant to pick Branthwaite.

Alan McGuffog
12 Posted 10/05/2022 at 17:30:49
Jamie Gentile. Now that's the type of player we need. Kick his own grandma down the cellar stairs.
Terry Downes
13 Posted 10/05/2022 at 17:31:43
Just a bit off-topic but, if we're going to be struggling for money next season, how about swop some of our deadwood if we can't sell 'em?

Keane for Pukki for me would be a good deal. Pukki has always seemed decent in a poor side and, as a back-up striker, he could do well here.

Robert Tressell
14 Posted 10/05/2022 at 17:41:44
Tony # 10. He only played 6 games for Barca after joining from Palmeiras in the 2018 January window for about £11m.

He'd been touted for a move to Europe but it was surprising he joined Barca. He looked the sort of player who moves to a weaker side like Lyon or Porto. He was never going to be first choice at Barca.

He joined us in the summer 2018 window after looking good in the World Cup rather than anything he showed for Barca. They sold him the first window after they bought him. It was a great bit of business for them financially. Nothing to do with his form or fitness.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
15 Posted 10/05/2022 at 17:45:37
It will be fascinating to see what kind of offers come in for him. He’s a £30 million defender in a £5 million body. If the price is too low you almost have to keep him just because he’s fun to have around and he’ll play a third of the matches. At what price do we sell? I’d say £12-15 million but under that he’s good enough to take a chance on for the last year of his contract. Who knows, maybe he plays 60% of the season next year!
Jeff Armstrong
16 Posted 10/05/2022 at 18:14:31
Wow, we paid Barca more than double what they paid 6 months earlier, wtf was Brands smoking?
Or was it a another Moshiri vanity signing ?
I would love Brands to write a book about his time at Everton, unfortunately he’s probably under a gagging order.
Mike Gaynes
17 Posted 10/05/2022 at 18:14:58
Jonathan, last year he made 29 appearances, didn't have to miss a game for the first five months of the season until he pulled that calf.

The season before that, 33 appearances, missed only two games the first six months, and then the thigh injury.

If we could count on that much, I'd be all in with keeping him. But 14 appearances this year doesn't cut it.

Ray Griffin
18 Posted 10/05/2022 at 18:18:54
I like him when he's on the pitch, he's excellent at winding opponents up & I bet there's a fair few forwards in the league that hate playing against him, Havertz certainly lost his focus & got dragged into a personal battle with him - classic centre-half play!

However, he's just not on the pitch often enough, very unusual for a big defender to get injured so often - usually has to be serious to force them to the sidelines.

No point being a great worker if you're not in work!

Ed Prytherch
19 Posted 10/05/2022 at 18:24:59
He would be worth keeping if he were on 30K/week but not for his wages. Same goes for Delph.
I too like Puki but Patrick Bamford might be available and worth taking if he can pass a stringent medical.
Jonathan Oppenheimer
20 Posted 10/05/2022 at 18:26:20
Mike, this is why we count on you to keep us honest when prone to hyperbole and recency bias. So given those numbers, what say you as to whether we keep or sell this summer?
Peter Neilson
21 Posted 10/05/2022 at 18:51:15
Sadly that might be the end of Mina with us maybe all hanging on whether we can find a buyer in the summer or at least someone to offer him a contract. Currently our best centre half and a decent leader also with a way of winding up the opposition (see Fabio Silva of Wolves). Shame really but simply looks too injury prone now. But let’s kill the myth he always appeared for Colombia. He’s missed as many games for his country percentage wise as he has ours.
Robert Tressell
22 Posted 10/05/2022 at 18:53:55
Jonathan for what it's worth I think we'd get about £12m for him.

His contract situation and fitness means no-one will pay more than that.

Another realistic (but worse) option is something like a £7m loan deal where the buyer pays his wages then picks him up for free at the end of next season.

As you say, if that's all we get it might be better to keep him even if he then leaves for free.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
23 Posted 10/05/2022 at 19:05:36
Mike, I'll go one better. Mina
from signing - missed 11 - started 6 -m1-s2-m10-s1-m6-s1 = s10 in 38
2019 - s9-m1-s5-m1-s3-m1-s1-m1-s5-m6-s2-m3 = s25 in 38
2020 - s7-m1-s1-m1-s10-m2-s1-m5-s2-m3-s1-m2-s1-m1 = s23 in 38
2021 - m1-s1-m1-s4-m7-s1-m4-s2-m9-s1-m1-s2-m??= s11 in 34

In 4 seasons he has started 69 games from 150 and the constant injuries means that we have never had a consistent pairing building up an understanding. The most number of games he has played on the run has been 10. He is an injury waiting to happen. And on the back of a 3 goals at WC2018 (a record for a defender) then 5 over 3 seasons (none in this) then the hope of a goal scoring goliath at corners has also proved to be false.

When you hear that Mick Lyons family have gone public about his dementia in his early 70s, then in terms of bravery the two stand no comparison

Graham Mockford
24 Posted 10/05/2022 at 19:12:31
Mina is our best centre half when fit, the numbers overwhelmingly show we do better when he plays. He’s a natural leader and organiser

Unfortunately he’s just too injury prone and can’t be relied on. We should take whatever cash we can get along with Keane and get two new centre backs to go alongside Holgate and Branthwaite

Stephen Brown
25 Posted 10/05/2022 at 19:21:32
I’m going to swim against the tide here. I’d keep Mina. I don’t think we’d get over 10million for him and despite his wages, if he stays fit for 70% of the time he’s a great asset on and off the field!
Christy Ring
26 Posted 10/05/2022 at 19:24:54
If Mina wasn't injury prone, he'd be a tremendous asset, but as a huge earner, he's a liability, as is Delph.
Regarding his latest injury, he came out the worst in a mix up with Coleman.
Robert Tressell
27 Posted 10/05/2022 at 19:33:01
Stephen, it probably depends on whether we can bring in a quality replacement or not.

For example, if taking a bit of a hit on Mina gives us the money to buy say, Conor Coady (who seems to be a popular choice amongst fans) then it might be worth it.

For those hoping to offload both Keane and Holgate, you'd have to ask who would buy them. There's a very good chance both will be at the club next season but Mina will not.

Graham Mockford
28 Posted 10/05/2022 at 19:33:45
Although to put Mina in perspective he doesn’t make the list

Top 10 PL centre halves

10. Heitinga
9. Lescott
8. Stubbs
7.Yobo
6.Weir
5. Stones
4. Gough
3. Distin
2 Watson
1. Jagielka

Mike Gaynes
29 Posted 10/05/2022 at 19:34:34
Jonathan, I lean towards keeping him, although I'd understand it if we got a big offer for him and had a replacement all lined up. What I strongly oppose is selling him and then going to market for a new signing. We've been screwed so often by that process in the past. Sold Rom and Gana assuming we'd sign replacements, and it never happened.

Phil, for me if he plays two-thirds of our games as he did the two previous seasons, he's worth it. This year he certainly didn't, and he certainly wasn't.

Mike Gaynes
31 Posted 10/05/2022 at 19:36:56
Graham, are those your own personal rankings?

For me Lescott is much higher on that list. Right up near the top.

Graham Mockford
32 Posted 10/05/2022 at 19:41:27
Robert @27,

If the reports are true, Moyes wants Keane. Can't see it myself but, for all his limitations, it can never be said he couldn't spot a decent centre-half.

Graham Mockford
33 Posted 10/05/2022 at 19:44:38
Mike,

No they are the official Premier League rankings based on some guy called Graham Mockford... 😂

You could have a point on Lescott, it's all subjective of course.

Dave Abrahams
34 Posted 10/05/2022 at 19:56:27
Graham (32), well hopefully Moyes, with all his limitations, doesn't spot any of Keane's many limitations.

As for Mina, I panic watching him just as much as I panic watching Keane. Not much between them, as far as I can see and neither of them had the courage or fight to the death of Mick Lyons...

Mind you, Mick was one of us and really loved the club as much as any supporter and a real beaut of a man as well.

Robert Tressell
35 Posted 10/05/2022 at 20:03:57
Graham @ 32. Moyes did buy Krøldrup! But generally, yes, he did well with centre-backs.

I suppose Moyes might be thinking of reuniting him with Zouma – which is probably our best centre-back pairing of recent years.

Jon Harding
36 Posted 10/05/2022 at 20:16:09
Who do we think is going to buy this admittedly injury prone player off us? And who is going to offer him the wages to tempt him out of his Everton contract early?

Let's just hope we can get some more games out of him next season because the only way Mina leaves us is for free at the end of his deal in 2023.

And don't expect us to be signing any replacements with our need to start balancing the books and four other senior centre-halves under contract till 2025.

Bill Gienapp
37 Posted 10/05/2022 at 20:28:01
I've always thought Mina's injury woes were a bit overstated these past few seasons, but this campaign has definitely been brutal. Almost feels like he can't string together back-to-back appearances at this point.

On another note, I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see Van de Beek again this season. It's amazing how quickly that loan move went from a total coup to largely pointless.

Brian Wilkinson
38 Posted 10/05/2022 at 20:34:35
I agree with a lot of posters, not sure if anyone spotted him holding his calf near the touchline against Chelsea as well, then he was running normal within a matter of seconds.

Big influence when he is on the pitch and certainly our best centre half, doubt we will ever get a long run of games from him though, such a shame.

Chris Leyland
40 Posted 10/05/2022 at 20:57:23
Mina is probably my favourite player. Absolutely love him. It's great to watch him at the match. He's constantly geeing up his team mates whilst simultaneously winding up the opposition.

But… I'd sell him tomorrow if the right offer came along. We need a consistent centre-half pairing and he won't ever be able to be part of that.

Laurie Hartley
42 Posted 10/05/2022 at 23:51:13
It seems certain players are prone to these recurring muscle injuries. Mina, James, Delph, Gibson are they ones that come immediately to mind.

What makes it so frustrating is that they are all good players. I wonder if there are certain “body types” that require different stretching and strengthening exercises than others. Put another way should all players be subjected to the same training routines? Does one size fit all.

If someone could come up with a system that keeps these players free from these muscle injuries it would save us a fortune.

For example stretching the calf muscles - think about how you would expect most trainers to stretch them them.

Form an opinion then have a look at this video:-

Link

Jamie Crowley
43 Posted 11/05/2022 at 00:50:07
Laurie -

If Everton move to that calf muscle routine, we're definitely getting relegated!

I do think some players are just prone to injury. It happens to certain people.

Gibbo was exceedingly frustrating! He was a very good player in my opinion, but constantly injured. His range of passing was sick.

Personally, my third son was by far my most talented soccer player. He simply drew the short straw, and continually had knee problems (meniscus) throughout his playing days. A superb young player, his knee would re-injure after kid-glove care within a few games. It just happens to some folks.

On a professional level, once you've identified an injury-prone player, you have to offload him if you can. There's a lot of money and there's finite resources. You have to maximize your dollars. Ergo, I'm afraid from a business perspective Yerry isn't a good investment frankly.

Laurie Hartley
44 Posted 11/05/2022 at 02:05:13
Jamie - I am certainly no expert on these matters but it is a subject that interests me. My interest was aroused after I read a book by Moshe Feldenkrais entitled “Awareness through Movement”.

Moshe had a black belt in judo but wrecked his knees. After searching for a solution via many physicicians he started doing his own research and as a result developed his own exercise system. He was not only able to significantly improve his own situation but went on to help many others.

One comment from his book has stuck with me over many years. It went along the lines that conventional stretching can create minute tears in muscles. As they heal they shrink the fibres which exacerbates the problem. He suggests, because muscles work in pairs of opposites, that one should focus on contracting the opposite muscle to the one causing problems.

The book is well worth a read if you are interested in that sort of thing.

As an aside, one thing that concerns me is that both Richarlison and Mykolenko have recently come off early with what turned out to be cramp in their calf muscles.

Graeme Beresford
45 Posted 11/05/2022 at 05:23:54
I love Yerry! I completely get the concern about his fitness. The fact he isn’t with us tonight worries me as mentally and physically he’s our best centre back. Keane hopefully can re-find his England form in these coming games. He may be better with the rejuvenated Delph in front of him. What worries me about Keane is his head goes down if he makes an error, even if it doesn’t lead to a goal. Yerry seems about to go ‘sod it’ and get on with the game.

I suspect a bit of mind games from Watford. I’ve read on some of their sites that Sarr, King, Dennis and Pedro are all out tonight with illness and injury. I fully suspect this to be nonsense and find them all either starting or on the bench. Roy will want to beat us considering his old Liverpool connection and our defenders need to be lulled into maybe playing ‘kids’ due to these ‘missing players’.

Anyway, keep Mina. Offer him a new contract and explain he’s wanted here but on lower money due to the time out with injury. If he rejects, tell him he will unfortunately have to be sold. Everton will continue without him. James Tarkowski would be a suitable replacement, although I would love Everton to go all out and get Tomori from Milan or Coady from Wolves, who has always struck me as their Jags.

Stale Haverstadlokken
46 Posted 11/05/2022 at 07:52:12
It's so frustrating with all his injuries. Must sell him after the season. Must have players can can have 20+ games during a season
Tony Abrahams
47 Posted 11/05/2022 at 08:16:10
Michael Keane came on as a sub the other day, and impressed me before he had even headed or kicked a ball Graeme. I thought his demeanor was different, he was upright and he looked ready, and I thought this was reflected in his performance?

It’s no good going onto a football pitch worrying about your weaknesses, because this will only impede your strengths, and this is how I often view Michael Keane, but he was different on Sunday imo. He came on the pitch looking like he really wanted to be there, so hopefully this is a sign of things to come, because a little switch of the trigger can often make all the difference?

Robert Tressell
48 Posted 11/05/2022 at 08:30:01
Tony, when Keane is confident he's decent. He's had some good spells and deserved the England caps when they came.

It's good to see him looking confident again. The same is probably true of Holgate.

In fact I'm interested to know what you make of Holgate's recent performances.

Whatever the case, improved form and confidence is down to good man management and more generally lifting the club off the floor by Lampard.

Iwobi has benefited too. It's a shame Davies hasn't been part of this as he's also someone who lost his way.

Ernie Baywood
49 Posted 11/05/2022 at 08:45:28
I still think Keane is the best centre-back at the club (which sounds like high praise, but isn't particularly intended to be).

He's made plenty of mistakes, but then who knows how many Mina would make if he ever played in a run of games? Certainly we've never really got to find out – and I doubt we ever will.

Right now, Keane's going to be asked to defend. That will suit him just fine. Same as it's suiting Pickford.

Ask them to do more on the ball and start possession and you'll get a different story.

Football is about getting players to do what they're good at. Which is why some of the managerial decisions in our recent history have amazed me.

Sam Hoare
50 Posted 11/05/2022 at 09:23:14
Mina has played more games than people remember in previous seasons with 29 appearances last season and 33 the season before that.

To my eyes and in the statistics he's comfortably our most effective centre back; with our win percentages with significantly superior to that without him. He's by no mean perfect but he's a very good CB and he is a natural leader, of which we have few.

His long absences this season is probably one of the main reasons we are where we are. If he could be expected to play even 75% of our games i'd offer him a new contract without hesitation. But this season he's only managed 900 minutes or so and we can't pay £120k every week for that.

Keane is excellent on a good day and horrendous on a bad one. He seems a confidence player which is not what you want from an experienced CB really. He will usually do well in a low block but if Lampard ever wants to progress to a higher line and more posession then Keane is not the man for that. I suspect he'll stick around and continue to be an up and down player but if someone did offer us £15m for him then i'd take it.

Godfrey has been a disappointment. The attitude and athleticism is there but he doesn't seem to read the game very well and that is hard to teach. Perhaps he will get better or perhaps he will continue to be more effective as a defensive full back. I admire his drive but rather we had got Gabriel or even Salisu (only £10m!) instead; not convinced he will ever make a top class CB but really hope he proves me wrong.

Holgate is fine, we've seen a fair amount of him and he is like Godfrey in some regards. A decent athlete and competitive player who struggles sometimes with positioning and decision making. He didn't cost much and his wages aren't high so he remains an effective sqwuad player unless we get a good bid for him.

Branthwaite I really like. Fast and tall with a cultured left foot. Not sure whether he is likely to be first choice next season or if he would benefit more by a season as first choice CB in the championship. Think this lad might go all the way but he needs to start playing first team football much more regularly.

Then there is Reece Welch and maybe the likes of Astley, Eli Campbell etc who would probably need a loan to see how they cope with first team football.

It's not a great selection. With no effective partnership established. If fit then Mina's leadership immediately helps whichever pair he is in. If he is sold then ideally we need to bring in a similar player. Perhaps Tarkowski though he will have a few suitors and big wages. I'd also prefer someone a touch more mobile as I suspect Lampard (if he stays) will want to try playing a slightly higher line at some point.

As ever, lots of problems to solve this summer.

James Fletcher
51 Posted 11/05/2022 at 09:35:59
I think a new CB remains top priority this Summer along with a DM and maybe a striker...I think Godfrey could be pushed up into that DM spot as he played there a lot for Norwich and it would make the most of his pace and energy.
Pat Kelly
52 Posted 11/05/2022 at 14:02:36
If you had a washing machine that broke down as often as Mina does what would you do ? If you want a quiet life that is.
Tony Everan
53 Posted 11/05/2022 at 14:28:13
Keane is indeed a confidence player , but also needs to be in the right pairing. Coupled with Zouma two years ago the defence looked much better . The same with Yerry , Keane seems to fall into line behind the more authoritative defender. He’s quite resilient and tough physically, and not bad in the air. Just maybe too early to write him off as he could be more consistent next to a quality newly signed centre back next season , if/when Mina is sold.

Pat, I’d probably buy a Bosch one, never trusted Columbian washing machines.

Jamie Crowley
54 Posted 11/05/2022 at 15:08:18
Sam -

Holgate is fine, we've seen a fair amount of him and he is like Godfrey in some regards. A decent athlete and competitive player who struggles sometimes with positioning and decision making.

I couldn't disagree more, Sam. And I say this lightly, and you can take it for what it's worth, because we both know you know more about the game than I do.

But.

Holgate just isn't a good footballer. He's not. In fact, I think he's our single weakest link in the chain. This kid has made more individual mistakes this season than I can count on both hands. His attitude just rubs me the wrong way as well. You can be a hard player - hell I love hard players. But strutting around the pitch like the gum-chewing compensation peacock isn't a good optic.

I'd get rid of Holgate in an instant. I'd also regretfully offload Mina. I'd keep Keane, Godfrey, and Branthwaite as CBs with an eye to buy another over the summer - cheaply and with potential and let Frank build the player.

And that has to be our recruiting philosophy for the next 4-5 years! We simply have to get our financial house in order - it's a fucking mess. We have a coach who can absolutely work with younger players - ask Mason Mount. Bring in the potential diamonds for cheap and allow Frank to grow the players, come what may. We might finish 15th for 3 seasons in a row (we won't, worse case scenario), but it will improve our future drastically when those new recruits come of age. And quite honestly, what's the harm? We're not winning the league with the likes of Man City spending a ludicrous amount on recruitment and basically buying the league! We're forced into a new way of recruiting due to our finances, but it's time to make lemonade out of lemons and go full on Moneyball Metrics.

All of this assuming we stay up, so let's beat Watford today please!

Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 11/05/2022 at 15:24:53
Jamie #54, as everybody here knows, I couldn't agree more re Holgate... it's not just this season that his mistakes have punished us, but for 4-5 years now.

HOWEVER... and it's a big, temporary however... he has shown well in recent weeks as Frank has stripped his responsibilities down to "just defend" and that's it. He's clearing the ball with his first touch, be it foot or head, and he's holding his position unusually well. That's gotta be Frank. And because simplifying his game has eliminated the mistakes, I no longer instantly spew obscenities the minute I see Holgate's name on the team sheet. That sure was a big goal on Sunday.

That said.... for all his physical abilities I will celebrate like hell when we sell him.

Jim Lloyd
56 Posted 11/05/2022 at 15:37:42
I think who stays and who goes depends on a number of factors. Do we stay up or not, How much will the club be able to spend on recruitment for either eventuality. Do our better players (and there's few of them!) want to stay. If we want to get rid of players, does anyone want to buy them? Who can we bring in to replace those we want rid of.
As for Mina, yes, he's a good player but I think the club will want to see if his injuries have just been an unlucky number of different injuries, or an underlying problem. Then they'll be able to make a decision.
About Holgate. For season after season he's caused us to lose a goal, if not a game, but so had Keane. Both are limited in my view; but we might have to do with them depending on funds.
I think the main problem id that those we want to sell...who the hell wants them on the wages they're on?
Jay Harris
57 Posted 11/05/2022 at 15:38:31
Just to join the American based blues debate my biggest problem with Holgate is attitude. The lad has ability but too often shows an insecure side where he feels he has to boot an opponent into row Z just to prove his worth and too often does not communicate with his partner although this is a 2 way thing.
He certainly looks calmer lately although I don't normally like him pairing with Keane.
Jamie Crowley
58 Posted 11/05/2022 at 15:48:20
Mike -

I agree he's been better since Burnley - ya know, the game he kind of fucked up for us?

What's that saying? One swallow a summer doesn't make, or some such thing?

Look, I'm behind the kid, Lord knows, presently. We need every single player pulling in the same direction.

But were it me, I'm ten times more comfortable with Keane, and I can't believe based upon what I've seen, that Branthwaite would be any worse over a consistent run of games. Ergo, we need to simply move Holgate on.

The "who will buy him" argument is valid. And as Jim Lloyd points out, it'll probably depend upon who leaves and who goes.

Clubs will splash a ridiculous amount of cash buying new players. I've never understood why they don't occasionally sell players on and take a hit on buying out the wages? I mean, if you can spend (hypothetically) 3 million on buying out the wages of the player and moving him on for a pittance to free up a younger player to have a more prominent role, AND buy an up and coming player with potential, isn't that a good way to move forward some of the time?

Or do we just keep the player, then spunk 25 million on some new dude - which clearly isn't working.

Just sell some guys and move on. The squad's too damn big still, and surely there's some younger players with potential Frank would improve into good Premier League players?

Jay - I agree wholeheartedly with you @57.

Kieran Kinsella
59 Posted 11/05/2022 at 16:01:55
Graeme

“Roy will want to beat us because of his old Liverpool connection.” Roy will want to beat us because he’s a professional but the Liverpool connection? I’m wondering would Mike Walker or Sam Allardyce especially want to beat Liverpool because of the old Everton connection. After the joy of getting the job Roy’s Liverpool spell was probably the low point of his career

Mike Gaynes
60 Posted 11/05/2022 at 16:30:19
Jamie #58,

I think Holgate would be an eminently sellable asset. He's only 25, one of the fastest center-backs in the Premier League, makes showy tackles, and he's under contract for three more years at only £25k/week.

Somebody will want to take a chance on him -- maybe one of the relegated clubs needing a cheaper alternative at center-back, or maybe a Championship manager who thinks he can turn Holgate into a player.

Transfermarkt values him at $20 million. If we can get anywhere near that, it would be a helluva deal... and just getting rid of his blunders would be lagniappe.

We'll see what Frank and Kevin decide.

Sam Hoare
61 Posted 11/05/2022 at 17:49:49
Jamie/Mike, I'm not a big fan of Holgate (though I used to be) but i'm not sure it's inaccurate of me to say that he's 'fine'. It's a pretty vague term after all.

I think he probably is a weak link and I wouldn't be thrilled at the idea of him being first choice for us. But as a backup, who can play a few different positions arguably, and who is one of our lowest first team earners I think he has his uses. We've got to start running better financially and one of the ways we do that is having decent back up on low wages who are always fit and can do a reasonable job when called upon. I think Holgate fulfills that remit.

Having said that if Brighton or some such wanted to offer us around £15m for him I wouldn't say no. But given there might be a lot of player turnaround this summer I wonder if he might be one who is kept for the sake of continuity?

Brian Wilkinson
62 Posted 13/05/2022 at 01:14:20
I would cash in on Mina, make no mistake great player and influential on the pitch, but far too many niggling injuries and misses far too many games.

I would invest the money in Joe Worrell, currently at Nottingham Forest, good old proper tough centre half and at 25 years old, plenty of years ahead of him.

Pretty sure we had a sniff at him a few years back.

Denis Richardson
63 Posted 13/05/2022 at 21:34:51
4 seasons with us now and he's yet to pass the 100 appearance mark, only about 14 for this season. Just too injury prone. With 1 year left on this contract I'd hope the club choose to sell rather than offer him a new deal or run his contract down.

He's a great character and good to have in the team but what's the point when the manager can't get a run of games out of him. He's averaged playing half a season since he joined. Just too little for the £25m we paid for him and he's on £120k/week.

Justin Doone
64 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:28:13
A real shame. He's our best defender but has very similar qualities to Keane and Branthwaite. Big, slow, good in the air, overdoes it trying to play out with the ball.

Our injury prone player's need moving on. The poor senior players need to go. The recruitment has to improve.

Sam Hoare
65 Posted 17/05/2022 at 09:25:42
Difficult to understate the importance of this. If he is fit against Brentford and Watford then we are safe by now. I'm pretty sure of that.

Our injuries this season really have been catastrophic, with comfortably the worst injury rate in the league. Bad luck or bad player management?


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