Chelsea 6 - 0 Everton

Everton were expected to be tight and make it hard for a poor mid-table Chelsea side to score. But Cole Palmer had other ideas in what was a horrendously embarrassing first half for a sad and sorry looking Everton side.

Everton were without Dominic Calvert-Lewin for tonight's clash with Chelsea at Stamford Bridge as the striker is sidelined following a recurrence of his hamstring niggle.

Idrissa Gana Gueye is also missing from the squad but Arnaut Danjuma returns after playing a full game for the Under-21s on Friday following an extended period of recovery from an ankle injury sustained at Fulham nearly 3 months ago. 

Dele Alli, who hasn't played for Everton at all this season, and is presumably still recovering from groin surgery back in January, makes an appearance as a guest pundit for Sky Sports. 

The home side kicked off with Everton in lurid salmon pink. Onana giving away an early free-kick for Chelsea, overhit behind.  Everton won an advanced  free-kick that Tarkowski headed toward Beto but he was crowded out

Tarkowski was next to be penalized despite what looked like a foul on Ashley Young. Madueke drove forward to force a corner for Chelsea that Palmer delivered but Everton cleared.

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Chelsea attacked again and got very close to the Everton goal before Madueke was stalled. Everton pressed Chelsea high but Doucorure got himself offside with the entire back line to look along. But Everton then won a corner from a Chelsea mistake, Branthwaite needing a glancing header at the near post but getting too much on it. 

Some tremendous work saw Coleman fire in a cross that Beto had to bury but could only scoop over the Chelsea bar off his knee from 4 yards out! Everton continued to press high but were called offside again. 

Everton stifled another Chelsea attack to surge upfield again, but Chelsea resisted and moved the ball up efficiently to find Palmer who made no mistake after nutmegging Branthwaite and picking the bottom corner past a despairing Pickford drive.

Everton got another advanced free-kick and just wasted it, overhit, and how Chelsea did not score on the counter will remain a mystery as the rock-solid Everton defence was, er, rocking. 

Chelsea got a free-kick wide left that was eventually worked inside, Pickford parrying out Jackson's shot only for Palmer to nod it back past him as easy as you like. A shocking start for Everton.

Everton won another corner but Garner's delivery was too strong. Everton tried to get some control but shocking turnovers by Beto and Garner spoilt that plan. and just put them on the back foot again.

Garner tried to get the ball back from Palmer but could only catch him late him for the first yellow card. Then the dismal display got 1,000 times worse as Pickford gifted the ball to Palmer who simply lobbed it over the Everton keeper for his hat-trick, probably in record time. 

McNeil did well to beat his man and get in a cross but it was easily cleared. A lovely cross from Young was headed in very well by Beto but he had got himself offside yet again.  

Young then tripped Gallagher and he got a yellow card. Caicedo then wiggled his way through and fired well wide. Chelsea could easily have been given a penalty when Branthwaite pushed Jackson over but Paul Tierney said no and it was not reviewed.

Coleman was caught by Mydruk who was booked and From the free-kick, Tarkwoski's low cross was just touched away from Beto and behind by Chalobah. A couple of corners followed with plenty of pushing and shoving that led to nothing. 

Beto worked his way in but just could not hit his shot with any power whatsoever. While at the other end, a bobbling ball fell for Jackson who controlled it well, turned and fired just inside the near post, beating Pickford for a shocking 4th goal. 

Young put in another good cross that won an Everton corner, headed wide by Onana to bring an absolutely disastrous half to an end. 

Sean Dyche made three changes at the break. Gomes tried to release Beto with a decent forward ball but the big man went to ground: no foul.  Gomes then got forward himself thanks to Patterson's good work but his shot was deflected wide. The corner was headed just wide by Branthwaite. 

Everton got forward again but Patterson's cross was poorly overhit. Tarkowski made the most ridiculous late challenge on Jackson and was lucky it was only a yellow card.

Everton were getting more possession but Patterson lost it high up the field and Chelsea countered through Mudryuk feeding Palmer but this time Pickford saved well with his feet. Worryingly, Branthwaite was withdrawn with some problem, Keane replacing him. 

Chelsea came forward and a dangerous cross in was pushed out bizarrely by Pickford onto Jackson then off Tarkowski and just the right side of the post, could so easily have been another goal conceded. A series of Chelsea corners were repelled but first Docucore catching Palmer's heel and then Madueke fouled, Tarkowski taking ball and man as Paul Tierney had been playing advantage before signalling the spot-kick. 

The Chelsea players had a right ding-dong over who would take it, Palmer eventually rolling it in. Keane had to take out Jackson on the counter for an obvious yellow, could have also been a red. 

Beto somehow got forward and lashed his shot over the angle. Everton tried to play forward but were pushed back again with the ball worked to Mudryuk but Pickford saved easily. 

Gomes had brought back a lot of composure to Everton's play but his supporting players just lacked the quality to profit from his presence. Everton won a couple more corners but nothing came of them.

Everton were holding their own until some final subs by Chelsea that saw Gilchrist lash in another awful parry by Pickford in added time. Patterson then went off with an injury, Godfrey replacing him. 

And 7 minutes of added time, despite a Beto shot that needed saving,  only helped to consolidate the huge embarrassment of this dreadful loss.

Chelsea: Petrovic, Gusto, Chalobah, Silva, Cucurella, Caicedo (89' Gilchrist) , Gallagher, Mudryk [Y:40'] (70' Chilwell), Palmer (80' Casadei), Madueke (72' Chukwuemeka), Jackson (89' Deivid Washington).

Subs not Used: Bettinelli, Badiashile, Dyer, George.

Everton: Pickford, Coleman (46' Patterson (90+3' Godfrey)), Tarkowski [Y:53'], Branthwaite (57' Keane [Y:65']), Mykolenko, Garner [Y:28'] (46' Harrison), Onana (46' Gomes), Young [Y:36'], McNeil, Doucouré, Beto.

Subs not Used: Virginia, Danjuma, Chermiti, Warrington.


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Jeff Armstrong
1 Posted 15/04/2024 at 18:53:48
Calvert-Lewin out injured, Onana starts as does Beto.
Andrew McLawrence
2 Posted 15/04/2024 at 19:03:25
Young instead of Gomes! Bizarre.
Mike Hayes
3 Posted 15/04/2024 at 19:07:44
If it's a 4-4-1-1 with Young in, we are winning the league!
John Wignall
4 Posted 15/04/2024 at 19:09:05
No Gueye on the bench.
Neil Lawson
5 Posted 15/04/2024 at 19:09:11
Printable words fail me. We go 12 games without a win and are shite. We win a game when we were shite but lucky. The core of the team and the tactics never changed.

Tonight, nothing different. I am utterly perplexed. Please, can anyone explain why it should be any different tonight? Doucoure has been dreadful. Young is a makeweight at best. The formation provides nothing.

I sincerely hope that I can eat humble pie at 10 pm but I doubt it. Another borefest beckons until the 80th-minute subs when the game is already lost.

Dyche, please explain in simple words why you are so horribly resistant to any change? Another white shirt and black tie and mac. Or is it the same ones, week-in &week-out?

Dermot O'Brien
6 Posted 15/04/2024 at 19:09:54
Young ahead of anyone, Andrew, is criminal.

Now he'll go win it for us! 😏

Denis Richardson
7 Posted 15/04/2024 at 19:11:19
Young in the starting XI.

Some natives on here will be frothing at the mouth….

Christy Ring
8 Posted 15/04/2024 at 19:14:20
So it's 4-4-1-1 again, and no Gomes, who has been a breath of fresh air.

Hope he's keeping Calvert-Lewin for Forest, and no Gueye?

John Wignall
9 Posted 15/04/2024 at 19:16:38
Why not play Chermiti just behind Beto?

He can't be worse than Young.

Rob Jones
10 Posted 15/04/2024 at 19:16:40
No Gomes is a good shout, IMO. Chelsea will be far more physical than Burnley were (imagine writing that two years ago), and we need a bit more physicality in the middle, which he simply doesn't give. I don't see any creativity in that team, but that's not Dyche's bag.

If we're lucky, we draw.

Christy Ring
11 Posted 15/04/2024 at 19:22:02
Rob, Gomes gives us creativity, and plays with more freedom in a 3 man midfield, but Dyche back to normal with 4411
Robert Tressell
12 Posted 15/04/2024 at 19:24:22
Fairly predictable line-up. Young gets the nod over Harrison. No stellar alternatives; could have gone with Harrison (ineffective of late), or switched Garner out wide to accommodate Gomes in the middle.

Hard. Chelsea have a really well balanced side with pace and class and a bit of grit too.

We will need to dig in a frustrate Palmer in the centre and their high quality players on the flanks (including their expensive full backs).


Mal van Schaick
13 Posted 15/04/2024 at 19:24:24
Ffs. Young? Let’s see but he wouldn’t be my choice. We need to be combative in midfield to stop them playing. Fair enough Beto deserves his chance. Counter attack for a 2-0 or 2-1 win.

Urgent appeal on our latest points deduction. So, give us the points back and give us a small fine.

Jay Evans
14 Posted 15/04/2024 at 19:44:05
In what world will Chelsea ever be more physical than Burnley ?

Onana rewarded with a start despite missing the last game due to ‘being sore.’

Gomes excellent in our previous match, gets dropped.

Be lucky to get nil tonight. Mark my words.

Sooooo sorry for being a misery guts.

Ernie Baywood
15 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:00:56
Mudryk and Cucurella up against a right flank with a combined age of 73.

Could be interesting.

Danny Baily
16 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:15:02
A bright start, but I suspect that's us done for tonight.
Pete Hughes
17 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:16:56
I fear a cricket score here!
Ray Roche
18 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:20:50
Fuckin embarrassing
Mike Hayes
19 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:21:58
Who would have thought 4-4-1-1 and Young wouldn’t work against Chelski 🤷
John Wignall
20 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:22:46
Pickford poor for me their second
John Wignall
21 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:28:47
Chelsea are alfuf another team we are making look good our midfield do my head in can't pass to a team mate
Peter Gorman
22 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:30:24
Pete Hughes
23 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:32:16
Drag half of these off Dyche ffs
Kieran Kinsella
24 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:34:48
so this is why we are appealing to get one point back.
John Wignall
25 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:37:42
Hate this group of players feel sorry for the travelling supporters the only good thing about the club
Jerome Shields
26 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:43:53
Chelsea training ground plan against Dycheball working.

Dyche has not changed anything for this game. His tactic are dependent on fine margins.Once a opposition team have practised tactics to suit, that skewers the margins in their favour.

Dyche will change nothing to counter, so it just goes on and on.

Probably will blame the players after the game. will use the excuse of Calvert Lewin's injury.

Have to face Jock a Chelsea Supporter tomorrow .Glad I sent him the Bella Caio Calvert Lewin Everton video.Will be using the same excuse as Dyche.

Colin Malone
27 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:45:30
The wind is against us. Let's hope it dies down. Pathetic.
He has got to go tonight
Jonathan Oppenheimer
28 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:47:37
Glad I’m not watching whatever it is we’re doing in London tonight. It’s hard to feel optimistic about the rest of the season with this scoreline.
Mike Hayes
29 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:50:37
Drag Dyche off as well.

I was watching 1 Million Years BC – sure I saw him training there…

Pete Hughes
30 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:51:23
9pts from a possible 48 is a fucking disgrace.

How this dinosaur is still in a job escapes me?

Danny Baily
31 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:53:25
Well, that was comfortably the most embarrassing half of football I've witnessed in some time.

If you wanted an indication of Pickford's attitude towards Everton, it was on show in that error. They've lost any belief they had.

Mike Kehoe
32 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:53:32
It’s not all bad, at least I can enjoy Jamie Carragher’s thoughts.
David Vaughan
33 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:54:31
So Moshiri is at the game. Wonder why? Dare we hope for (positive) change? Damn sure he hasn't come to admire his legacy...
Allen Rodgers
34 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:54:42
Feel sorry for the travelling fans, the poor bastards.
John Wignall
35 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:54:57
Any other manager would change things at half-time probably bringing 4 defenders on.

What a shit show.

Ed Prytherch
36 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:55:19
When we think it can't get any worse. it does.

Dyche has no clue and neither does our midfield, if you can call it that.

Moshiri is at the game with his 777 buddies. What is that about?

Mike Morgan
37 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:55:42
That's our goal difference gone too.

I almost feel sorry for Beto. He is completely out of his depth. Who ever scouted him should be sacked. His touch and decision-making would struggle in the Championship.

We would have been better keeping Simms. I bet Beto goes back to Italy on a free. £30M down the drain.

Rob Dolby
38 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:56:27
This is what you get by trying to play open front-foot pressing football away from home.

Awful display and very naive from the manager.

Why not just sit in and try and catch them on the break?


Kunal Desai
39 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:58:44
Embarrassment of an institution.

Gut the entire club from everyone from top to bottom including the tea lady and start again.

Neil Lawson
40 Posted 15/04/2024 at 20:58:56
Pete Hughes. Those stats need emphasising.

It is not only the horrific nature of those stats, it is also the horrific nature of the turgid, witless, pathetic, abysmal, shocking and completely unacceptable performances.

Even Dele Alli is having a mare.

How much does Dyche get paid? Also the inadequates in pink. All to charity.

Neil Tyrrell
41 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:02:03
Moshiri should go sit in the away end for the second half.
Dave Abrahams
42 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:03:09
You can't blame Dyche for going all defensive tonight,

Absolutely no fuckin' one is defending anything here tonight with Palmer given all the room he needs, scored a hat trick and missed a sitter on the goal line. Mind you, Calamity gifted him his third goal.

Even our goal difference is taking a hammering with 50 more minutes to come. I feel for our fans down there getting embarrassed by these players.

Craig Walker
43 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:04:38
When you think it's the nadir, Everton plumb new depths. How we laughed at the RS yesterday.

There isn't one single positive. Even Branthwaite has been dreadful.

John Davies
44 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:09:25
I know these players are pathetic but Dyche has just demonstrated his abysmal knowledge of the game and his complete disregard for how an opponent plays.

His game plan has just handed the points on a plate to Chelsea. Totally reckless, downright idiotic but he will blame the players after. Couldn't be anything to do with him. I don't care who picks the team for our next match but it cannot be Dyche. He has to go now.

I feel so sorry for the fans that have gone to the game.

John Wignall
45 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:24:11
How is Pickford still on?
David Vaughan
46 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:28:40
Dead in the water…
Peter Gorman
47 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:29:45
Is the team trying to send a message to Moshiri and 777, do you think?
Mark Murphy
48 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:32:23
Fuck off, Everton.

Just fuck off!

Christy Ring
49 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:36:32
Dave, playing 4-4-1-1 left us completely overrun in midfield.

If we go into administration, does that mean we can give Beto back?

Simon Dalzell
50 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:44:12
59 years a Blue. I've never felt so disillusioned.

There seems no one in place to sack the Destroyer of the beautiful game. Pity.

Bill Fairfield
51 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:52:04
Doesn't get much sadder than this. Just gutted at what's happening to our club.

I can't see us winning another game.

John Wignall
52 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:52:45
2 minutes to go and he's bringing Chermiti on at 6-0 — sums Dyche up.
Peter McEvoy
53 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:55:38
This has been embarrassing, this shambles of a team and clueless manager do not deserve our fans. I've honestly never seen worse.

Who scouted Beto? The guy is pathetic. £20million for that — worst ever player. He's not alone unfortunately. Dyche out!

Neil Lawson
54 Posted 15/04/2024 at 21:58:55
The players have been atrocious but the position of Dyche is utterly indefensible. He must go. He has to go.

What can he possibly bring to the table other than guaranteed relegation achieved with the most appalling choice of tactics and total lack of anything remotely approaching nouse?

I just do not want to hear him utter any more bollocks. Put the tea lady in charge.

John Williams
55 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:00:10
Stop blaming Dyche… Guardiola, Klopp and Arteta would struggle getting a tune out of most of these players. Most are not Premier League players.

On tonight's performance, Pickford yes Pickford, current England goalkeeper, would struggle to keep goal for the Dog & Duck.

Sell the players you can get a decent fee for and start again.

Mark Ryan
57 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:00:13
Forehead, sack Dyche now — you bell-end!!!
Simon Dalzell
58 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:01:53
John Williams… 'Stop Blaming Dyche'.

You're Kidding, right? The managers you mentioned would undoubtedly improve this lot noticeably.

I can't comprehend your comments.

Craig Walker
59 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:03:27
Just go into administration and put us all out of our misery. 1994 under Walker was bad but at least there was Dunc, Stuart, Watson, Southall, Horne, Hinchcliffe.

Onana is a dreadful player because he's awful but thinks he's good and that's the worst combination.

Great fans. Lovely looking new stadium. Nothing else to be positive about apart from a rapidly disappearing set of memories of good players and winning teams.

We moaned when Moyes had us as the best of the rest but we couldn't win at the big grounds: careful what you wish for as we stare into the abyss.

Danny Baily
60 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:03:34
Goal difference decimated. Heads dropped. Injuries. It couldn't have gone much worse this evening.

I can't see us staying up from here.

Iain Jones
61 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:05:10
Yes, it was horrendous! One of the worst I've seen.

But people need to get real. We are bankrupt! We can't afford to sack him. It's him and these pathetic players until the end of the season!

I'm not sure we are going to win another game.

Joe McMahon
62 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:05:35
John Williams. Are you serious?

You're not the guy last season who said "at least Bill's one of us" are you?

Ernie Baywood
63 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:07:21
John 55 - he's the manager. How can he have zero responsibility for this side?

I keep being told he's doing well, performing miracles.

How is he responsible for the run of games in November but not the abysmal performances since?

Andy Crooks
64 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:07:28
My days of defending Dyche are over. He should be gone while survival is in our own hands.

His tactics and ability to motivate are abysmal. He is bewildered, baffled and beaten.

John Wignall
65 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:09:50
Has Dyche gone yet?
Kieran Kinsella
66 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:10:14
Harald Hadrada was killed at the Battle of Stamford Bridge because he brought no armor.

A Thousand years later, Dyche brought no armor nor any weapons.

Ed Prytherch
67 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:10:42
Dyche has lost the dressing room. They are not playing for him.

Give Baines a go for the last 6 games.

Colin Malone
68 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:11:17
I will get real. Get him out now.

We have the players. We have not got the coach. Any decent player would be shite with goofball tactics.

Iain Jones
69 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:11:24
The players should offer to pay for the tickets for the travelling fans. They won't but they should.

That was truly dreadful and I seriously fear for us now.

Andrew Merrick
70 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:11:25
So many things are wrong at this club, its such a pivotal time.
The PSR, the 777 takeover, the debts, the squad, the ground, the total lack of direction and leadership. No focus equals no future.

Forest and Luton are licking their lips while we lick our wounds... We need an inspirational leader and we have Moshiri and Dyche. How we galvanise for the next game is crucial.

Pete Clarke
71 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:12:05
That's it then. We have to beat Forest and Luton to stay up but I wouldn't put a penny on this group of players because they are not football players in any sense of the word.

Just when I was thinking goal difference may be our saviour, we go and capitulate against the a bang-average Chelsea.
Rob Dolby
72 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:12:11
Tonight is all on Dyche. Reckless pressing with a team with no speed is schoolboy stuff.

Why has he changed it tonight when for most of the season we have sat deep? I just don't get it.

Imagine if we play that open against Liverpool, I just don't understand why he set us up like that and even worse, he should have shut up shop after 30 minutes and kept the goal difference instead of the same stuff until the end.

He needs to go and replace him with anyone. Let Coleman run the team until the end of the season.

Truly pathetic from the manager.

Ray Jacques
73 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:12:47
To put the cherry on it, Dele fuckin Alli on Sky, what a piss-take.
Kieran Kinsella
74 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:13:26
Other than Tony Abrahams, does anyone else have a mate with management experience who can step in?

Rick Pattinson
75 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:15:13
Onana is absolute pants. We should've cashed in on him... let's hope interest is still strong. He should be bossing the midfield with the size of him.

Worst Everton team in years… well, maybe a season!

Ian Edwards
76 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:16:44
I really can't comprehend what I've just watched. I'm shellshocked. Chelsea's last two home games were draws against Burnley and Sheffield United. We turn up and drop our drawers and assume the position.

Dyche has to come up with something new for the remaining games. His one up front, Doucoure behind, two holding mids, slow inverted wide men is a complete crock of shit.

But we all know he'll churn out the same shite as before. As we are playing teams around us, it was quite clear from the Burnley game that Dyche just wants to avoid defeat and take a draw if we can't nick something from a set piece.

I suspect he won't be sacked before the end of the season but Dyche should get his P45 on the final whistle at the Emirates.

Dyche will go down in Everton history as the Manager that relegated us after 70 years top-flight football.

People can go on about points deductions but one win (and that was shite) since mid-December is a terrible indictment of his dinosaur, inflexible tactics.

Whoever is last to leave, please turn off the light. This club has the Plague and the undertaker is driving towards the ground.

Kunal Desai
77 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:16:54
I don't see us winning any of the next three. Liverpool will probably murder us like today.

It'll come down to Luton away and Sheffield Utd at home.

Bill Gall
78 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:17:17
I was one who believed that Dyche would be the one who could save us from being relegated, but not anymore; he has to go tonight. People were right who were against him when he was signed: if you want to lose, hire a loser.

I could understand being beaten by one of the top 3 but being humiliated by a team that has been struggling in this fashion is simply unacceptable.

I don't care if they put the Ladies or Under-18 coach in charge until the end of the season, but Dyche and his staff should be told to stay in London as they will not be welcome on Merseyside.

I feel sorry for our poor supporters who travel away to support the team but their support is cut off by team selection, formations, and lack of being able to read a game by someone whose position as a Premier League manager has just gone down the drain and around the bend.

I don't know who is in charge of the club but hopefully there is someone inside this organization that has the backbone to fire Dyche. What it will cost to fire him will be cheap compared to the damage he is doing to our future. Regardless of point deductions, we have only won 9 out of 32 games, and that is poor for any manager.

Dave Lynch
79 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:17:55
Anyone who thinks this manager is doing well with this bunch of players is deluded to fuck. They look clueless and bereft of ideas, that has to come from poor coaching.

I've seen some piss-poor Everton teams in my 63 years but this one is right up there.

I'm seriously thinking administration would be the best bet and press the reset button.

David Stranack
80 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:18:01
This is my last post, my last slither of dalliance with Everton. Until we absolutely start all over again.

I left the match after 32 minutes to get the Tube back home. Chelsea waltzed past our "midfield" time and time again. We were utter, utter shite.

It's like Dyche picked some random lads walking past the local and just threw them on. Absolutely clueless. Beto lololololololololol. How he draws a wage, I will never know. He makes Nyarko look fully committed.

I just feel sorry for the supporters who again and again waste time, effort and valuable money going to watch this total waste of space! I play 5/6/7 a side on Tuesdays and I swear we'd give this Everton team a go. And I'm not even joking. Wow!

I've said it before but now I absolutely mean it. We need to get relegated and just start all over again. Could it be any worse? Rhetorical question I know but...

Everton FC you have broken my heart... again and again and again. 💔

Yet again today, I'm ashamed and embarrassed to call myself a 51-year-old Everton supporter.

Pickford drop, Coleman drop, Tarkowski drop, Branthwaite drop, Mykolenko drop, Young drop, Onana drop, Garner drop, McNeil drop, Doucouré drop, Beto drop, Dyche drop, Premier League drop, mic drop 🎤 💥

Mike Hayes
81 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:20:24
What an absolute shambles.

Get shut of Dyche ASAP – he hasn't a feckin clue. We are not his Burnley Mk 2 but he's doing a great job so far.

Get Virginia in and a few of the other U21s – they cannot do any worse than the shower of shite on the pitch.

Absolute embarrassment – we have no chance in the remaining fixtures so it's bye-bye Premier League.

Derek Cartwright
82 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:21:35
How the fuck we are not calling for this shit show of a manager to go is beyond me.

I am 62 years of age and I've never been so embarrassed with this team. And don't say we are missing 8 points bla bla bla — we won 1 fucking game in 2024, for fuck's sake!!

Also, people will say he's not got much choice with players that he inherited but, if he is still in charge next season, it will be the same shit show with the same shite crap players he would bring in… same old, same old.

He is boring as fuck. Makes Allardyce look like Pep. Get fucking rid. I'd rather have Baines or anyone to take over.

By the way, that 1 win against Burnley was so stuffy as well. I can't believe we are still not in the Bottom 3.

Iain Jones
84 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:24:05
He won't be sacked. We can't afford it!!

Moshri was there but wants rid ASAP. No leadership off the pitch. We are rudderless and sinking like a stone.

Like I said earlier, I'm not sure we can win another game.

Neil Lawson
85 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:24:36
I wish I understood why it costs money to sack a manager. In any other walk of life, poor or unacceptable performance and shocking results gives you sufficient grounds. I presume there is something written into their obscene contracts.

I would love someone to sack him and say "Sue us for your money". In administration, he would be fairly low down the list of creditors. He ought to be at the bottom. That's where he is taking us.

Jim Wilson
86 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:25:20
Craig @ 59 - Onana is a dreadful player.

Spot on, I cannot understand how on earth some people rate him.

Pat Kelly
87 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:25:21
We'll be grand. Thelwell has a 5-year plan.
Barry Rathbone
88 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:25:55
Can people please stop saying "ẃe can beat these" pre game — it's the kiss of death. We are utter bilge with hardly a footballer worthy of the name at the club. No alternatives, no magic tactics, no 7th Cavalry exists for the manager if we survive it will be more luck than judgement.

There are 4 games left where hope remains - Forest, Brentford, Luton and Sheffield Utd, the Liverpool and Arsenal games are another Chelsea in the making. We are in shitsville and it might help to stop the delusion and lose the toxic blame game.

Mal van Schaick
89 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:25:57
Shit squad with a shit manger at the moment. How any of the management, staff or players can take anything good from this game is beyond me.

The problem is, that we have to finish the season, and with these deluded players, it can only get worse. I can't see where any improvement can come from?

Mark Taylor
90 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:26:41
I'm not sure even Danny the optimist can put any positivity on this one. How our away fans put up with this is beyond me.

Luton away is increasingly looking pivotal and I have no confidence whatsoever that we will even draw there.

I've more confidence that we will be in administration by then.

Dave Evans
92 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:28:05
The worst thing in the long term about tonight is how the value of Onana. Pickford and Branthwaite has just plummeted.
Jonathan Oppenheimer
93 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:28:11
Kieran 74 I did half of my 7v7 youth coaching license up in Minnesota. Will that suffice?
John Connor
94 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:29:30
I wasn't expecting anything from this game, but to be battered the way we were is pathetic.

I can't think of one positive from this game, every player was shite, Gomes was the best of a very bad bunch when he came on, and why he didn't start is a mystery.

The only thing I would say, and this is not a defence, is that I can't see Luton getting many more points this season, so the game against them is pivotal for us.

How desperate are we though, when we are pleased there are three worse teams than us? I bet the atmosphere on Sunday will be tense, 90% expecting a defeat I bet.

Stephen Davies
96 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:31:40
This result will now give a huge boost to both Forest and Luton.

I really can't see us beating any other team besides Sheffield Utd.

This could well be it... unless a minor miracle happens.

John Wignall
97 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:32:26
I feel for you, David, and the rest of the Blues who went tonight. This is not the first time this shower have let us down.

This lot have stopped playing for Dyche like they have for the last few managers. A big clear-out needs doing. We're in a right mess.

Brian Denton
98 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:32:59
Ah, right Brett - makes sense. Mind you, even the ELP drummer who must be in his late 70s could have scored against us tonight.
Allan Board
99 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:33:16
This fella gives it the "big un" yet delivers nothing, game-in& game-out, season-in & season-out. Sack him tonight.
All mouth and no trousers, like my old dear used to say!

I'll give Everton one thing though, they are the best at plumbing even lower depths of incapability – outdoing each one almost on a weekly basis. This club is finished – only other teams losing will keep these losers up now.

Gutless, and bereft of moral fibre, every one of them. Perhaps relegation is the answer, and the reset it needs. I don't care what league Everton are in, still my team.

Terry Farrell
100 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:33:20
We are in deep shit. That is the worst performance I can remember and I am old. Even our reliable performers like Pickford, Tarkowski and Coleman looked like they hated every minute.

We have bought Chermiti why? Losing by a hatful and he doesn't come on? No one sells a centre-forward for £27M and is okay without collecting any money for 12 months for a reason. The evidence is plain to see why.

For the first time, I think we are doomed and the cheats in the Premier League will keep piling on the agony.

Ian Edwards
101 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:33:20
Dyche has said we had 10 shots as an away team and Chelsea only had 14. The man is a clown.
Ian Wilkins
102 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:37:48
I won't comment on the game, it's been said. That set-up, attitude, everything… all wrong. Dyche ordinarily would be gone, we have no money and nobody in control of club. In free fall currently.

We all deserve better than this but total respect to the travelling fans on a Monday evening, you all deserve so much more.

Anthony A Hughes
103 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:39:34
Dyche saying we've only be miles off it once before this season at Villa I beg to to differ Sean
Mike Hayes
104 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:41:49
Good job we got rid of Simms Iwobi and Gray can’t have players who know where the net is and how to score 🤷
Christine Foster
105 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:43:04
I'm glad Moshiri was there to see exactly what the fuck he has done to this club. Make no mistake Everton FC have had a kicking from the Premier League but the reason we are were we are is because of the dynamic duo Kenwright and Moshiri. Hiring Dyche was a killer, so much for a master stroke. The club has been sliced and Dyched. Playing Young, Coleman against talented fast kids was sucicidal. Playing Onana and Doucoure same..did Garner play tonight? Did Doucoure?
That was bad enough, top it with Pickford, Tarkowski and Beto..
If we somehow manage to survive this season, it cannot be with Dyche in charge. But I seriously think this season has been a bridge too far for a poor manager, poor players and a vindictive league executive.

Ian Pilkington
106 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:44:05
A new low tonight and sickening to see Moshiri there sitting next to the baseball-capped 777 shyster.
Soren Moyer
107 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:44:07
Ed, 36,
He is in London to try to strike a deal before Monday's deadline. Otherwise he'll lose the control of the club to MSP.
Charles Ward
108 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:44:36
I was fairly confident that we’d get something tonight.

But I was very wrong. An awful performance..

Colin Glassar
110 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:53:04
I thought we couldn’t get any lower but Dyche has proven to me that barrels don’t actually have bottoms.
Alec Gaston
111 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:53:55
We have a team full of players who have been relegated led by a manager who has been relegated - unfortunately we don’t have the players or manager to turn this around / the 4 game winning streak was the exception not the norm
John Atkins
112 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:55:10
No words. Didnt think it could get any worse. Guess what …. It will

All time low

Phil Wood
113 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:56:22
Hope Moshiri has upset Putin and wins a holiday in Salisbury.
Pete Clarke
114 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:57:01
There’s a big fat politician over here in Australia called Clive Palmer. Even he would have got on the scoresheet tonight.
Atrocious display. They go on a nice little trip recently to do some bonding etc. cheeky fuckers should be put in solitary confinement after tonight.
Ray Jacques
115 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:58:16
I've supported Everton for 55 years and even in the many shit times I always had pride in the club.
Mr Moshir I had taken that away. I am embarrassed by the whole shit show.
Can't think of one thing left that I can look at and think, yep we are still here. It's gone, just piss off. Even the new ground, who can get excited by that with the dross that will be playing in it.
Phil Wood
116 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:58:56
Masters must have creamed himself watching this tonight.
Geoff Williams
117 Posted 15/04/2024 at 22:59:19
McNeil and Young contributed absolutely nothing going forward. Garner and Onana should never be paired in midfield as they offer no protection to the defence and fail to make any quality balls going forward. Pickford's mistake is inexcusable. Gomes is head and shoulders better than any midfield player at the club. Beto would struggle in the Championship. Simms is a limited player but at least he knows how to score and is better player than Beto. Dyche and his two goons need to be put on gardening leave and Baines should be given responsibility for the 1st team.
Don Alexander
118 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:00:00
I'm 69 so I saw and revelled in the success of my club from 1963 onwards. I revelled in the late 60's team and watched with dismay the mundanity of much of the 70's, largely as a consequence of boardroom incompetence, whilst Liverpool conquered Europe.

For just a few years under Howie I was animated again. We were brilliant, but once he was gone we were again reduced to comparative mediocrity, guided by our boardroom.

Come the Premier League though we were still considered important enough to be amid the clique of six big clubs who shaped it.

We won the cup in '95 and, er, that's it.

Ever since we have been piloted by self-serving shithouses in control of the boardroom but by now it must be obvious to anyone that we've been damaged beyond repair, for years to come regardless of abysmal results on the pitch.

Ever since Kenwright took over we've been hammered by four goals to nil once every season on average (and we've conceded four goals in way more losses than those) so to me there's a well-embedded acceptance of such shite facts within those at the club and with bloody good reason ever since the oligarch-puppet, ahem, "took over".

Moshiri has reduced us to a major limp from the sluggish, largely boring gait the club had had for 20 years prior to his own boastful "project".

In short, to me tonight was no surprise.

Phil Wood
119 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:02:58
At last somebody in the media has spotted the Emperors new clothes.
Carragher saying Onana does nothing but act the part.
How the hell anybody would want to spend £60m+ on that clown.
Bring it on.
Joe Digney
120 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:03:16
I honestly don’t care what league we play in anymore, I severed attachment to the premier league a long time ago now. Why would we just want to tread water in a league that’s basically just another corrupt corporation that only caters to a select few while the rest get shat on. The premier league is just a label that’s built a aura to make us think it’s the be all and end all of football, but it’s not, the league doesn’t respect us so why should we respect it?

But either with or without the premier league status I just want to be entertained watching Everton again, I want to look forward to watching Everton again, I want to be excited when we score again, I want to be able to watch with me old man and we both finish the evening happy, talking about the match, is all that too much to ask from this club these days?

I’m probably on the younger end of the scale of blues being age 30 (although I don’t feel young after tonight 😂) & I don’t know if I can do another 30+ years of this 😂.

Laurie Hartley
121 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:05:14
Barry # 88 - I promise there will be no more of pre match win predictions from me.

Jerome Shields
122 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:05:57
After the first 40 minutes Dyche ball wasn't working. Chelsea has mastered it.But the bonus for them was Dyche incorporating la attempt press with it.Chelsea found themselves with space.
Martin Farrington
123 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:06:50
Id say Everton was a laughing stock, but 777 would probably think that its further equity they are getting
Dave Abrahams
124 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:15:08
Christy (49). yes I agree completely we were set up wrongly for this game and the midfield was wide open.

Everything has been said, how bad we were, to be honest we were so poor all over the field ‘ til Gomes came on that we looked like we were throwing that game, that’s how bad we played, played is too strong a word, doubt if there is an adjective in the dictionary that describes tonight’s performance.

I dread and fear for the future of Everton Football Club, I really do, and yet most of us having a go now will be at the game on Sunday trying to urge these players to show some honesty and pull their guts out and fight for ninety minutes, then do the same for the rest of the season, you were a disgrace tonight although I doubt you need telling that.

Mike Price
125 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:17:51
Thelwell getting away with murder. Beto and Chermiti with our limited resources, but his worst crime was falling for Pickford’s agents planting stories of interest from Champions League clubs in order to get him a new, improved contract.
Danny O’Neill
126 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:21:17
Nearly home.

I'll gather my thoughts as I'm still hurting after watching that and having to travel back surrounded by Chelsea supporters.

Mike Doyle
127 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:23:18
Dave 126] Agree. To try and press Chelsea was ridiculous without a 5 man midfield (that should have included Gana - where was he? More “personal reasons”? - who knows with this club).

As usual in recent games we looked better when Gomes came on. Agree with Carragher regarding Onana - and don’t get me started on Beto. Fingers crossed for Gana and DCL for the weekend and hope Branthwaite is OK.

Rob Halligan
128 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:24:23
Fuck me, don't think I've ever been so depressed, fed up, miserable and fucking annoyed! That was just an absolute shambolic shithouse, nightmare of a performance. Was onana on the pitch, I know he wasn't second half cos I heard his name mentioned as a substitution at the start of the second half, but fuck me, anyone of that starting eleven could have been substituted at half time. Dyche has got a really big job on his hands raising morale for Sunday. I honestly don't think he's got a clue he's doing. For about thirty minutes in the second half, Chermiti, Danjuma and Lewis Warrington were warming up down in the corner right in front of us. They must have ran more in their warm up than half the players on the pitch. Dyche had no intention of bringing any of them on, so why feel the need to bring Chermiti when it's 5-0 and about 2 minutes of normal time left? As it turned out Patterson gets injured in the build up to the 6th, forcing a re-think and Ben Godfrey coming on.

Crazy as it sounds, but if Beto scores that sitter he missed in the first few minutes,it could have been so different. A one goal lead and something to defend, but once one became two it was game over. Chelsea haven't been great this season, FFS they've drawn with Burnley and Sheff.Utd recently and yet we've made them look like Brazil. Asi i say, Dyche needs to get a reaction out of that squad on Sunday, or else I really do fear the worst.

Svein-Roger Jensen
129 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:26:32
Dyche wouldn't recognise a subtle plan to win if it painted itself purple and danced naked on a harpsicord singing 'subtle plans are here again'."
Mike Doyle
130 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:38:35
Rob 128] I can only assume that, despite the result and terrible performance,
you and the other 3000 blues took solace from the fact that our devoted owner was with you in the crowd with you at
‘The Bridge’ tonight. Doubtless this will provide comfort on the long journey home?
Mark Murphy
131 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:40:59
Just got home to find a note -“Got a headache - please sleep in the spare room”
So even the wife is sympathetic - she doesn’t usually say please!
I need to sleep on it - I’m close to saying I’ve had enough.
Anyone having a go at Danny though needs to seriously have a look at themselves. He’ll be the last (positive) man standing when all us knee jerkers have gone to non league!
Ernie Baywood
132 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:44:55
Many will know I'm no fan of Dyche. I actively dislike the guy, and that's not been the case many times - I'm generally a bit understanding of limitations.

Then he comes out after that shitshow and his first words are to tell us his managerial record, how many games he's been in charge of without a worse defeat like it was some player led aberration that wasn't what he's about. He just continues to confirm everything I think about him.

He's all about him, his press conferences, his stats, his selected achievements, his philosophies (if you can call them that) about football (if you can call it that).

It's absolutely what he's been about. He took a poor team with a half decent defensive record and limited goalscoring ability, and he doubled down on the defence. He turned them into a group of players who have had it coached into them for over a year that they can't compete so don't try to. Just work hard defensively and see if you can get a corner. We have no attacking emphasis - none. No plan when the ball leaves Pickford or Tarkowski's foot. Just work hard and try to win a corner.

Over his tenure he's avoided a big defeat but we've been circling the drain. There is no upward trajectory with that approach - it only goes one way. Tonight has been coming, make no mistake. We offer very little to games and we've been uncompetitive since our little rally in November.

The players can take their fair share of criticism too but I've been seeing them draining of confidence with every game. While I'd absolutely take the money they're on, I can't imagine being locked into a work contract that requires me to continue to work in a regime so dull and uninspiring. Remember these are footballers being coached to not play anything resembling football. Tonight they looked like they'd rather be anywhere else and I can't blame them.

Tonight's quote: "Everyone knows I operate two presses - you press the ball and, if they play through you, then you press back".

Someone tell me that's not just chasing. It's just chasing. That's our game. Chase the opposition around and hope for a corner.

But tonight we apparently had 10 chances to their 14 - which just proves that Dyche's methods work. At least to Dyche. You can't argue with his carefully selected statistics. So don't expect anything to change.

Andy Crooks
133 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:51:22
Dave A, you are right about the lack of urgency. This is the first time in a long while that I have thought the players, every one of them, accepted defeat. I thought that Pickford demonstrated just how poor modern goalkeepers are if he is the best. He was utterly abysmal.
Finally, Dave, I have been in two minds about Onana. I respect your views( you have seen him a lot) but at the same time thought that some astute contributors do admire him.
Well, Dave, I'm with you here. He may well be great in a good team, but he's in a shit team and tonight he was an utter disgrace as a professional footballer.
Ed Prytherch
134 Posted 15/04/2024 at 23:55:20
Geoff 119. I agree, give the job to Baines. He cannot do a worse job than Dyche and he may have sufficient respect from a few of our first team players to get a tune out of them..
Ed Prytherch
135 Posted 15/04/2024 at 00:02:37
Onana, Harrison and some others know that they will not be at Everton next season and in the meantime they are not going to break a sweat.
Phil Lewis
136 Posted 15/04/2024 at 00:09:08
Pickford displayed some of the more dysfunctional aspects of his game tonight and that was even without having to deal with crosses in the air. He backed up all the reasons with that performance, why I've never been a fan from day one. Time to give Virginia his chance.

Similarly, I've grown tired of the number of times on here that I've slated Onana as an imposter, regardless of his performances for Belgium and alleged potential. He is nothing but a hyped up fraud.

Aside from Branthwaite, these two are the only players on the books likely to fetch decent money in the transfer market.

For God sake, flog the pair of them ASAP, while there are still clubs foolish enough to bid for them and use the money wisely in order to purchase a couple of decent players from somewhere and rebuild the team. Preferably without Dyche.

In view of our lack of funds, I'd be happy to give Leighton Baines the reins, even if it was in the Championship, as is distinctly possible next term and throw him in at the deep end. Could he possibly do any worse than this current debacle? I doubt it.

Svein-Roger Jensen
137 Posted 16/04/2024 at 00:13:20
Dyche -When all else fails, a total pig-headed unwillingess to look facts in the face will see us through."
Danny O’Neill
138 Posted 16/04/2024 at 00:18:55
Get your head down Mark. I'm on the couch with one of the dogs! The other one has taken my place upstairs!
Phil Lewis
139 Posted 16/04/2024 at 00:33:55
Dyche is contracted until the summer of 2025. He's on a £5 million contract, which puts his wages ahead of Thomas Franck, Unai Emery, David Moyes, Eddie Howe, Marco Silva and certain others. Ludicrous. No doubt another big pay off required for us to be rid of him.

Watching Dele Alli tonight on SKY was like looking at a car crash. He is either a mentally scared individual, with issues that should not be paraded publicly on TV, or he's an excellent actor, laughing every inch of the way to the bank at our expense...or a bit of both.

Andrew Keatley
140 Posted 16/04/2024 at 00:47:21
I wasn't able to watch the game but I think of all our players Jordan Pickford is the one with the most credit in the bank in terms of previous performances. I think that those pushing for Joao Virginia to be given a start as we approach the business end of the season are in a heightened state of panic - which, frankly, is understandable if probably ill-advised.

The player whose performances have worried me over the last 10 games or so is James Tarkowski; he he has been completely off the pace, is often flat-footed and cumbersome, and increasingly seems to lack belief that he's going to get the better of his man. The injury to Jarrad Branthwaite means that it's probably going to be Tarkowski and Keane/Godfrey for the next few matches, and that's a huge worry.

A defeat like this often has the effect of galvanising a squad. Dyche needs a big response in the Forest game or things are going to become properly toxic.

Phil Lewis
141 Posted 16/04/2024 at 01:17:12

With respect, as I stated earlier, I've never been convinced about Pickford from Koeman first signing him. I admit he did manage to win me over in more recent times, but more often than not his temperament would let him down and he would revert to unreliable performances and obvious lack of communication with his defenders. Far too many concentration lapses, for me to ever feel comfortable with him. I'm certainly not jumping on any bandwagon and definitely not judging Jordan Pickford on just recent poor form.

Don Alexander
142 Posted 16/04/2024 at 01:51:19
This result aside we are evidently (regardless of the acceptability or not of such evidence outside of the thoroughly inept/corrupt Premier League - they being our masters though) bollocksed for years to come by Moshiri and his devious, trusted self-serving only mentor, Kenwright.

And I mean 100%+ bollocksed. for years - minimum, regardless of players, managers, coaches, scouts, groundsmen, tea-ladies and all.

BMD? The very definition of a white elephant!

Jamie Crowley
143 Posted 16/04/2024 at 02:00:07
I've seen teams get utterly embarrassed and bare-bottom-spanked multiple times. The good ones write it off to a, "bad day at the office." Then they rebound and put in a stellar performance to atone for the shit they served up.

This is where we are at.

If we lose come Sunday, I predict relegation. If we win, I think we stay up, despite today's shit-show.

I'd think, after today's performance, the general reaction would be something along the lines of, "Win? Win? Jamie, do you really believe or can you even fathom this side actually winning again under this manager after today and the last 14 or so games?"

That is a very valid question. And one I shudder to contemplate.


I have watched the last two seasons this fanbase literally, by force of will, pull this team over the finish line to avoid relegation. I have seen rabid fans making unholy noise demanding the players to win and see this great club survive the axe of relegation. You can not explain it as it isn't logical and makes no real sense, in that a game is being played by the players and how do the fans have any effect on what occurs on the pitch?

But I've seen it with my own eyes.

Unthinkably, you fine people in Liverpool and scattered around England are called to the same miraculous feat three years running.

You can, indeed, lift this team over the line. You've done it before, and you're going to need to do it again. Get behind that team and this coach - contrary to logic, reason, and passion possibly - and will them over the line. The noise inside Goodison should be heard in the farthest reaches of the world this Sunday. Make the last two years seem child's play. Line the streets prior to the game, pass a dog above heads down the row of people, light your Blue flares, scream support from your lungs until you think they might bleed.

I said on a previous thread that Dyche had to do whatever was necessary to see this team crawl over the finish line.

Unfortunately, the way things appear, Dyche won't get that job done.

The task falls to all of you. You can do this, you've done it before. Prepare for your war of survival, execute your passion, and see this team over the line.

I sincerely mean this. It's not hyperbole. Three years running, and this one being by far the deadliest if failure befalls, you have to show up and will this team to victory. The players will respond, but they need you to kick them in the ass in the most passionate and positive way.

Let them know failure is not an option. And it begins on Sunday. I truly believe how the fans respond to this loss today will see the survival or demise of Everton, and I know the fans will do exactly what they've done the last two seasons in the end - save the club through pure force of will.

And if you roll yours eyes at this post and think to yourself, "Dumbass American, ya, ok, that's just cute, isn't it?" Ask yourself this question: what happens if we go down this season?

I'll tell you what happens. Bankruptcy and a fast track to League One or League Two.

So whine and moan about today. Get it the fuck out of your system. Then stop the whining and bitching it's not going to do this Club any good, go to war, and fucking get this team over the line. Goodison, in its final days, has to be a hell-pit, and you need to be the match that starts the fire.

John Raftery
144 Posted 16/04/2024 at 02:17:52
I read Gana was missing last night with a calf strain. We badly needed him in a midfield bereft of defensive shape and energy. For all the flaws in his game he always puts a shift in and helps others perform better.

Branthwaite went off with what appeared to be a calf strain which usually requires at least a fortnight’s recovery. Let’s hope it’s less. He has been key to the improvement in our defensive play this season although he has recently struggled against top class forwards in Isak and Palmer. So it’s a welcome back for Michael Keane who will at least add something of a goal threat albeit at both ends of the pitch.

Patterson went off with a hamstring injury after forty five minutes on the pitch. I suspect we may not see him in our team again. Seamus went off with a groin strain. If he isn’t fit for Sunday we are back to Godfrey or Young at right back. There are no other options.

Calvert-Lewin has a tight hamstring. It was not worth risking him tonight but let’s hope he’s ready for the Forest game. Without him we have no control in the opposition half.

Hopefully Danjuma will be ready to make a contribution in attack and score his first goal since September.

All of the above serves to emphasise the paucity of options for the manager, any manager.

John Raftery
145 Posted 16/04/2024 at 02:35:54
Great rallying cry Jamie (143). We, players and fans alike, must turn up on Sunday with the same amount of energy we normally reserve for games against the top clubs. My worry, and more than a few on here have mentioned it, is that when we turn up with a ‘we can beat these’ sort of attitude we usually lose through being too open.

Certainly the team has played more effectively when they have adopted a ‘we must not lose to these’ mentality. That’s the least we should expect on Sunday.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
146 Posted 16/04/2024 at 02:47:42
Jamie 143, brilliant post. There’s not much else to say. Our team is literally falling apart with this debacle and all these injuries. Only the fans can will us to survival.
Steve Brown
147 Posted 16/04/2024 at 03:12:49
I used to think Dyche was unlucky to take over a club in such turmoil and he did initially stabilise the squad - 35 points earned this season would have seen us well clear of the relegation scrap.

Based on the results since December, you would have to say he is a very lucky manager to have no ownership in place to decide on his future - by any assessment he would have been sacked based our results. He has also benefited from the poor quality of the promoted clubs this season.

A horrible performance and a kick in the teeth to our supporters who travelled. His credibility is now on the edge with supporters and he MUST make changes to the team and the tactics for the weekend (injury permitting).

Again, it will be for the supporters to lift this team up if we are going to survive. The squad don't deserve it, but they need the Goodison roar.

Paul Ferry
148 Posted 16/04/2024 at 03:39:07
Ernie Baywood (63): "he's the manager. How can he have zero responsibility for this side?"

Well, I know of a regular on here who believes that Dyche has "nothing" to do with results Ernie. That's right: "nothing".

He's on this thread and puts all the blame on the players. Not once does he criticise Dyche.

Rob Halligan
149 Posted 16/04/2024 at 03:48:10
I got home about 2.45, after a near 4.5 hour coach journey home. To say I was in a total state of shock all the way back would be putting it mildly. I sat for literally the whole journey just staring out the window. I couldn’t even close my eyes and try and have a Kip because all I could picture was the nightmare that unfolded before our very eyes a few hours earlier.

Down the years there have been some terrible defeats, but I don’t think any have been in the manner we saw last night. That was our biggest league defeat for nineteen years, which I think must have been Arsenal away 7-0, but I don’t think anyone who was at Arsenal that night could give a monkeys arse. We’d finished fourth and couldn’t get any higher, in fact it was more a celebration in the away end than anything else. We’d qualified for the final qualifying round of the CL, which would be our one and only time in the CL, and which at the moment could be our only ever one, as another seems a million years away.

That last night though, was a shambles. We had a non existent midfield, a non existent forward line, a non existent defence and a goalkeeper who had completely lost his bearings, though to be fair to Pickford, I don’t blame him. Yes, he could have maybe done better with one or two of their goals, and I don’t mean the pass to Palmer for his hat trick goal, that was just a total cock up on his behalf. A bit ironic really that goal, when you consider he was trying to find Onana with his pass, yet the pass he done playing for England against Belgium he had no problem finding Onana. Just a pity he forgot Onana was an opponent that night!!

Can Dyche rally the troops for Sunday? Well, he’s got no choice, he simply has too. Another performance like last night could end in the same result, but probably not the same score line. We simply have to score the first goal because at the moment heads just drop when we fall behind. Disappointing to hear Branthwaite will probably miss out, and Patterson as well. So what was our strongest part of the team, the defence, is slowly being ripped apart. As John says @ 144, Gana Gueye was badly missed in the middle of the park, in his defensive midfield role, and we certainly need him back for Sunday. I would also give McNeil a rest, and put Danjuma in his place, with James Garner on the other wing. Onana is just playing the season out now, waiting for his move, but the way he’s been playing it does make you wonder who would buy him? Doucoure has completely gone off the boil, but as it stands, both Onana and Doucoure will both be in the team on Sunday.

So we mope around for a few days, and sulk, but come Sunday the fans will be up for the battle again. Just hope the players are as well!

Dale Self
150 Posted 16/04/2024 at 04:06:51
Good stuff Jamie and Rob! I was going to whine about moving on to drinking bottles of shut the fuck up. Now I’m ready to kick the shit out of Forest with my one and only football club. I will wear my shinpads all week. Cmon, get off the floor!
Derek Knox
151 Posted 16/04/2024 at 04:19:58
I switched it off before the first half ended, it was evident it was going to be one of those nights. No game plan, no fight, all reflected in the score-line then, which got worse second half. If that was at all possible.

I have come on here now, and read that great Blues who never miss a match, are portraying it as even worse. Where do we go from here ? Well there are two possibilities, somehow we scrape through and survive the remaining games. Or we do the unthinkable and go down !

After what I witnessed first half we don't deserve to remain. However the Fans don't deserve the second option either 'blind faith' into what seems a hopeless cause. I have usually defended Dyche but last night may be the final straw.

Bill Gall
152 Posted 16/04/2024 at 04:28:05
Jamie @ 143

What a shame that a supporter has to write an article like this and there is no doubt that the feeling among Everton supporters are aware of what you are saying and they will rally around and stick together to try and force Everton over the line again.

Instead we get a manager that tries to blame the players on the tactics they must have prepared in training during the week, standing by while Chelsea were walking through his defense as if they had 2 players sent off, and scratching his head in what he should do.

Pickford has saved us too many points by himself over the last couple of seasons but that should not shelter him from some of the criticism today, but there is no excuse from the 10 playing in front of him that to give any of them above 5 out of 10 is more like an individual moment rather than a team performance.

Living away from the UK I pay to watch the premier league so I don't miss an Everton game, but still watch other premier league games.

And to be honest I cant remember watching another premier game that 1 team performed as bad as Everton did today, this was one of the worst performances from any premier league team I have seen up to today.

The sad thing about today is I don't think some of the players care as they know there is no,one to replace them, or they know the manager will not replace them, and that is the tip of the precipice we are on, one more poor performance and we tip over the edge, improve the performance and there is a chance we miss the edge and continue to progress by a safer route. the problem we have now is neither the manager or the players seem aware of where the edge is and the future looks bleak.

Paul Ferry
153 Posted 16/04/2024 at 05:03:21
Fabulous and moving post Rob. If the "players" had 5 per cent of your love and commitment to our club we would not have lost like that.

I haven't heard you so emotional for a long while and you told me earlier that the away fans - many of them - have turned against Dyche. That often spells the end. I no longer have any faith in him and when we stay up he has to go in the summer and early.

You get home at 2-45AM and write that epic heartfelt post. The three baldies and that miserable team will have a good kip as they have the day off work tomorrow. The majority of the 3000 will get a few hours sleep and go to work to pay for the next away. That makes me so fucking angry. Imagine the repercussions for a postman, factory worker, or social worker if they do their equivalent of a shameful 0-6 defeat.

Oh, but don't worry Rob, Dyche said "we've got to pay that support back". I suspect he does not mean money. And don't worry Rob he also said "we get on with business" and "we know that we want the story to be different".

I'm sure you feel better already mate.

Deepest thanks to you and the rest of the 3000. You deserve so much better and you don't deserve the three baldies, gravel gloryhole's mouth bollocks, and the turds on the pitch (Gomes excepted).

Sean Mitchell
154 Posted 16/04/2024 at 05:37:42
Opted to not watch it.

Waking up for work at 4 am to a 6-0 embarrassment.

I feel so sorry for the travelling fans. Especially the ones working early who had little sleep.

Fuck off, Everton. Them bastards will have us all sectioned.

Danny O’Neill
156 Posted 16/04/2024 at 06:22:31
It's not hyperbole, Jamie. It's from the heart.

Utmost respect for those who follow from the States and around the globe.

As Rob said, equally from the heart, that was difficult to digest on the way home.

But now it's about the matches in front of us.

Pete Neilson
157 Posted 16/04/2024 at 06:23:30
Terrible all over the pitch, not one saving grace.

Weakest attack in the league, midfield that's been AWOL all season, and now our defence has joined in the shambles.

Dyche would be gone at any other club but no-one's in charge and we can't afford that. Whoever came in would still have this shocking squad with no pace, creativity or much talent. We need to somehow raise our game for Forest.

Ian Edwards
158 Posted 16/04/2024 at 06:31:05
Whenever Gomes has come on, the team has looked better. And stop with the "we missed Gueye" nonsense. Him and Onana have stank the place out all season.

Gueye doesn't protect the defence and offers absolutely nothing going forward. He has been a dreadful signing.

Dave Evans
159 Posted 16/04/2024 at 06:53:00
Jamie and Rob great posts.

I am sure the fans will give it a great go in our final games. Albeit nervously and with a touch the familiar and contempt.

In all our history, has their ever been such a gulf between the instincts of the fanbase and what they are witnessing in the behaviours on the pitch?

I have actually started to think the unthinkable. That the only practical way to reconnect is be relegated.

Duncan McDine
160 Posted 16/04/2024 at 07:02:44
It wasn't Dycheball. It was so much worse.

As Michael suggested, everything pointed to a low-block being the expected way to handle Chelsea. That would've been difficult to watch and enjoy, but preferable to a tactically naive mauling.

I just can't fathom what the manager was thinking.

Btw, Jamie's post gave me a bit of a semi-on. Love it!

Kim Vivian
161 Posted 16/04/2024 at 07:12:59
I now live on the south coast and on a Tuesday night I play (walking) football with the local team. Usually I wear with pride my Everton training top but after last night and with some of the fellas being Chelsea supporters, I shall leave that in the cupboard tonight, and play incognito.

Utter shambles. I endured the full 97 minutes or whatever it was in the forlorn hope of seeing something, anything, to lift my spirits. Should have turned off at half time like my poor brainwashed (by me) sons.

There's not a lot I can contribute from here sadly, but good luck to all who attend on Sunday. I shall be with you in spirit, streaming on Sky, and will feel every ounce of emotion along with you good people.

Aside from the actual football it might be nice if at least some form of clarity could be given over the tumultuous events off the pitch. That could actually help the on field mindset. They really must be wondering to what end and who (besides the fans) they are playing for right now.

Paul Ferry
162 Posted 16/04/2024 at 07:13:52
I simply cannot stomach watching Dyche on the touchline with his white shirt - ironed by Woaney or Stoney if Woaney is out to get the curry take away (poppadoms for 6 please) - little early 1980's Nik Kershaw tie, and his gloryhole mac.

It's embarrassing to have him there. To hear him say in his gravelly growl that we must change the story when he never changes anything.

I didn't want him and was a tad embarrassed when he got the job but I could see - pace Burnley - that there was some sort of inner logic there. I accepted it. Was actually feeling pretty decent after the first few weeks. I resigned myself to the idea that he was the best for the job in the present circumstances. Said so on here many times. But dear Sheedy he has made it nigh on possible to defend him.

In fact many on here cannot or will not defend him but we are forced by that slug me me me didn't put a penny in turd Kenwright (RIP), I hate Everton Moshiri and I was only a front anyway, the divine Penelope Pitstop Denise, and every other fucking incompetent finance expert to accept that Dyche is going nowhere.

Every last one of those incompetent greedy sleazy shithouses has brought our club to this. That we don't have the resolve, money, or leadership to sack this fucking terrible manager with his gratuitous meaningless stream of hackneyed shite that dribbles out of his mouth and the two inept useless curry-happy bald turds who love nothing more than a dad bop to 'nerver gonna give you up'.

Useless. Feckless. Clueless. Listless. Gormless. What are these fucking three wise slapheads doing at The Old Lady?

I've struggled with and for them for a year and more but this camel's back got broken by the final straw tonight.

They cannot go before the end of the season. I realise that. We are Sheedy help us in their hapless hands. This is what we are. This is what we have become. We can't even bin the longish-term manager with the worst record in the history of us. We have no option, no gumption, no leadership, no spark, not even a fart of anything to be optimistic about from the three shrivelled slap-heads and the 'leadership team'.

We have the 3000 and the 39000 and everyone else in England and each continent. God bless them.

We will stay up. But the three golf balls have to go in early summer.

So sorry to rant and dirge for so long. Second bottle of white, misery, and watching 'highlights' too many times. But it's how I feel. I can no longer accept the right man at this time train of thought.

Free the 3,000!


Everton forever!

RIP Derek Underwood

Steve Brown
163 Posted 16/04/2024 at 07:14:49
Ian, I understand your criticism of Gueye and Onana.

However, this squad is completely devoid of quality so we can only rely on effort and motivation. For that reason, Gueye was a huge miss today and we need him fit for every remaining game this season.

Gomes has the games in his legs now and can at least pass and retain possession. He has to play as well.

We need 2 wins from Notts Forest, Brentford, Luton and Sheffield. Can we get them?

Before last night I had no doubt, but now I am panicking. That looked like a defeated set of players to me.

Gareth Williams
164 Posted 16/04/2024 at 07:30:32
its time for sean dyche to go
Danny O’Neill
165 Posted 16/04/2024 at 07:33:43
Paul Ferry @162

Better out than in as the saying goes.

A poignant moment last night, which I will repeat was looking to my left and seeing a kid stood on his seat urging the team on.

He could only have been about 6 and we were 5-0 down at that point.

Jerome Shields
166 Posted 16/04/2024 at 07:37:48

Unfortunately it was Dycheball which Chelsea had been preparing for all week and we're set up for.On the day they found that Everton attempted a very ineffective high press giving them acres of space, which mean't there was no resistencr at all to the their tactic plan. It was like being on the training ground for Chelsea and with the inevitable Everton player errors a disaster, which Dyche continued to play out.

Dycheball is very dependent on fine margins, Dyche opened up the flood gates combining it with a poorly executed high press with no pace to get back. The space between the Everton midfield and defensive line was ridiculous.This was exasperated by the Everton tendency to defend deep when under pressure.Bringing on the deep playing Keane was never going to help.

The low block didn't exist, though Dyche set it up only to cancel it with different tactics.Duncan#160

Unfortunately it was Dycheball which Chelsea had been preparing for all week and we're set up for.On the day they found that Everton attempted a very ineffective high press giving them acres of space, which mean't there was no resistencr at all to the their tactic plan. It was like being on the training ground for Chelsea and with the inevitable Everton player errors a disaster, which Dyche continued to play out.

Dycheball is very dependent on fine margins, Dyche opened up the flood gates combining it with a poorly executed high press with no pace to get back. The space between the Everton midfield and defensive line was ridiculous.This was exasperated by the Everton tendency to defend deep when under pressure.Bringing on the deep playing Keane was never going to help.

The low block didn't exist, though Dyche set it up only to cancel it with different tactics.

Blaming Beto and Onana isn't right. None of the players were given proper instructions from the Manager, only confusing counter productive tactics..6-0 is the right score

Paul Ferry
167 Posted 16/04/2024 at 07:38:22
Tragic Danny, a goal for each one of his years. Get some rest and down time pal.

Seriously, Danny, what are your thoughts on Dyche? Rob told me earlier that many of the 3000 were turning against him.

Hope at least that the pre-match boozer was a good time. Many there?

Kevin Molloy
168 Posted 16/04/2024 at 07:41:17
Farhad left Stamford Bridge in a black Mariah apparently. shouting and screaming and laughing.
Mark Ryan
169 Posted 16/04/2024 at 07:48:45
Why use 7 words for the headline when one would do excrement
Dyche should walk and I'd be happier with anyone coachinng them right now. I don't want him near us next season

Sam Hoare
170 Posted 16/04/2024 at 07:51:05
Terrible from Dyche. Terrible from the the players. Just a very terrible night all round.

But realistically it will be the same combination this weekend in what is looking like the biggest game of the season and Everton football club badly needs the fans to get behind the team.

If we can beat Forest we will be 4 points ahead of them and maybe 5 points ahead of Luton if they lose. Even that could be enough if they continue to struggle.

It's all getting very nervous and tight but my hope is that last night's massacre at least elicits some sort of reaction from Dyche and the players. We play Forest, Brentford, Sheffield United at home and then Luton away. If we can't manage to get 6 or more points from those games then we probably deserve to go down.

We have been awful but so have Luton, Forest and Sheffield who only have 2 wins between them in their last collective 15 games.

Danny O’Neill
171 Posted 16/04/2024 at 07:52:54
Paul, the crowd are turning.

I didn't like the appointment, but was willing to give him a chance and without the points deductions, he would have being doing okay.

But the tactics are hurting us. Missing out the midfield, isolated strikers and over reliance on the back four. No wonder they are walking wounded and now it looks like that could be the last we've seen of Branthwaite.

The pubs were fine, more so the second one we found, which was close to the ground, where we sat with some Evertonians and randomly, a dad and lad who were Porto supporters.

Paul Ferry
172 Posted 16/04/2024 at 07:58:50
Thanks, Danny.

I'm off to sleep but maybe 10 minutes of Howard's Way in bed with earphones in to make me smile — and I'd better not watch the twice-taken free kick because that will wake her up!

Christy Ring
173 Posted 16/04/2024 at 08:02:23
Dyche’s useless formation again 441, totally exposed again. Put him out on gardening leave and put Baines in charge. Playing 2 ageing players on the right against Chelsea’s youth unbelievable again. He sells our fastest winger Gray, for £2m never gave him a chance and signs Young and Harrison on loan neither have any pace, and I won’t even discuss Beto. Can someone explain to me how Gomes who changed the game against Newcastle and our best player against Burnley, back on the bench, and Onana and Doucoure, tried and failed, starting again. I hope Gueye, Calvert-Lewin and Branthwaite are fit for Sunday. Forest must be smiling. Baines in charge please, have we anyone to even make a decision in the boardroom. This is the lowest we’ve ever been.
John Catto
174 Posted 16/04/2024 at 08:05:18
After watching the goals for the second time it smacks of very poor defending. Yes the first goal was because of great skill but the rest dear god. Full backs beaten easily, no protection from Midfield and so many guilty of ball watching.
We have generally been OK with defending this season which is a worry when you watch that.
Dyche prides himself on having a fit team but we looked slow and laboured.

Paul Hewitt
175 Posted 16/04/2024 at 08:06:04
Sacking Dyche now gives us a fifty fifty chances of staying up. Not sacking him and I think we're 90% down. I don't think it's about tactics now as much as
belief, and currently the players have none. Soon as the first goal went in the players knew it was over. They look scared and clueless, that's on the manager. He needs to go TODAY.
Paul Smith
176 Posted 16/04/2024 at 08:10:07
It's getting to the point where I'm a bit embarrassed telling people I support Everton.

I was surrounded by kopites as a kid and even stood on the piss laden Kop wishing then to lose until I found another Evertonian on my estate and was able to be my true self on the Gwladys Street terrace.

It seems so long ago… oh Everton, where have you gone?

Tony Abrahams
177 Posted 16/04/2024 at 08:13:28
I couldn't understand how we were set up, especially when you consider in our last home game we sat back and let Burnley have the ball.

Dyche is the manager so Dyche takes the stick but, if he “keeps this squad up again” after the season we have had, then he deserves to be awarded the manager of the season, imo.

Seriously, I've been saying for way too long now that the club needs to be sold to proper professional people, so hopefully this is why the very inept Moshiri was at Stamford Bridge last night.

What's the point of living, if it is just to exist? What's the point of Everton, in our current unambitious state? Be careful what you wish for, they said – and the self-centered bastard rubbed his hands and continued to give us every single penny he could find.

Mark Ryan
178 Posted 16/04/2024 at 08:15:01
If we survive – and it's a big 'if' right now – we cannot harp on about "if we didn't have have the points deductions, he's had no money to spend, blah blah."

Close your eyes and imagine Dyche in charge next season. With little transfer activity over the summer, he would get nothing out of this lot next season.

We have to try someone with new ideas. He's a dinosaur of a coach and this lot are not trying for him. He's lost control of what he wants to achieve. He's had it tough, I accept that fully, but he has to go.

Ernie Baywood
179 Posted 16/04/2024 at 08:26:46
Danny, I need to challenge another of the myths about Dyche.

- "Without the points deductions we'd be doing ok".

No we wouldn't. We would have won one game in 15, with that coming from a deflection off our striker in a horribly inept performance at home to Burnley. We'd be doing dreadfully.

In fact, you could argue that the little run of form that has given us a chance had plenty to do with the reaction to the points deductions, but that can't really be demonstrated one way or the other.

Add that myth to other such statements as:

- "He's pragmatic" (he's actually the complete opposite, he refuses to change anything based on the realities we are all seeing); and

- "He tells it like it is" (he doesn't, he rambles and talks in cliches).

Dale Rose
180 Posted 16/04/2024 at 08:28:05
Last night was beyond dire. Chelsea played very well and destroyed us. As usual the issue was as it has been for years, no striker. Goals give a team confidence. There was no confidence in last night's team. This has to change rapidly or the drop looms. There isn't usually a third time lucky.
Kunal Desai
181 Posted 16/04/2024 at 08:33:45
The only way we move forward is with the right ownership for this club. We saw with Villa under Lerner, an owner who actually sold up to people that wanted to take the club forward. 777 partners are not taking us forward, I really do fear for our future.
Paul Cherrington
182 Posted 16/04/2024 at 08:34:19
I've said it before and I'll say it again - it's the players who are the problem, not whoever the manager is. We have a squad who is basically not good enough at the top level mainly and this is the major issue. It doesn't matter who the manager is - if your players are not good enough, you will get results like last night.

You can have the best manager and coaches in the world with the most innovative tactics around - but if you have players who cannot put them into effect properly out on the pitch, you have no chance. Same as if you have players who cannot put the ball in the net, despite having lots of opportunities as a team over the season.

That is why Dyche is having the same problems Lampard, Benitez and every other manager since Martinez has had. Managers are not magicians - it's all about the quality of players you can put out.

Until we rebuild this squad with some genuine quality, then we will continue to have results like last night and results similar to it that previous managers have had. The table over the last few years doesn't lie.

It really does say something when you think we are basically relying on Luton, Burnley and Sheff Utd to lose their remaining games to save us, rather than thinking about how we will save ourselves. Bad times.

Mal van Schaick
183 Posted 16/04/2024 at 08:35:42
Tarkowski (who thinks he is better than he is) has become the spokesman in order to deflect the performance away from Dyche, stating that it was on the players.

There were glimpses of effort with crosses for Beto, and attempts on goal, but Chelsea ran the midfield, and ploughed through every challenge, where Everton were second to the ball on most occasions. Several nutmegs on Everton players, and Palmer embarrassed our midfield players, with some slick play. He was MOM.

I can only see reset and repeat in our remaining fixtures, and Dyche intransigence by persisting with the same formation and players may cost us our Premier League status.

Danny O’Neill
184 Posted 16/04/2024 at 08:37:25
Okay Ernie,

Maybe I should have phrased it differently.

We would be on 35 points with games to play, mostly against those around us.

Not where we want to be, but it would be 35 plus those we will pick up that would have seen us comfortable.

I don't like what I'm watching. I don't think most around me do. I didn't like watching the "Dogs of War".

They upset me last night.

Andrew Ellams
185 Posted 16/04/2024 at 08:38:57
Dyche is done but not done because nobody is in situ to actually sack him. He'll definitely go in the summer but I hope there is a grown up in charge to recruit the next victim. Rob Edwards anybody?
Dave Lynch
186 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:06:20
Doesn't matter where we'd be without the points deduction because we are where we are.

Dyche can ramble on all he wants, I thought Martinez could talk shite but this guy knocks him into a cocked hat. We are woeful.

Charles Ward
187 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:06:36
Andrew both Bournemouth and Palace have managed to find two good young coaches albeit they do have better players to work with.

Going for Dyche typifies what the club have become.

Nothing but the mediocre.

Charles Ward
188 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:06:36
Andrew both Bournemouth and Palace have managed to find two good young coaches albeit they do have better players to work with.

Going for Dyche typifies what the club have become.

Nothing but the mediocre.

Charles Ward
189 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:06:36
Andrew both Bournemouth and Palace have managed to find two good young coaches albeit they do have better players to work with.

Going for Dyche typifies what the club have become.

Nothing but the mediocre.

Roger Helm
190 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:08:05
Two questions; who in the organisation would be able to sack Dyche, given that the owner has lost interest, and who would be daft enough to want to replace him as manager of our laughing-stock of a club?
Dave Richman
191 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:08:11
Watching Everton lately reminded me of this scene in Blackadder Goes Forth:
Field Marshal Haig has formulated a brilliant new tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field.

Ah. Would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly towards the enemy?

Captain Darling:
How could you possibly know that, Blackadder? It's classified information!

It's the same plan that we used last time and the seventeen times before that.

Exactly! And that is what is so brilliant about it! It will catch the watchful Hun totally off guard! Doing precisely what we've done eighteen times before is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time!
I would imagine there was a similar discussion in the dressing room before kick off last night.

Shane Corcoran
192 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:08:49
Charles, neither of those clubs made their appointments when they were in the dire position that we were in when we made ours.
Lee Robinson
193 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:09:52
Jerome @ 166, you are absolutely on the money. I have been saying it for months, if anyone hasn't seen this coming a mile off with his selections, tactics, substitutions, and it finally looks like the players have lost the last thread of faith in anything he was providing. Imagine if this was Lampard, the media had a frenzy over him on his poor form. You could at least see what they were trying to do, without a striker may I add. The failure again from the media to criticize Dyche, same with Moyes and Allardyce, it is bizarre to say the least.

We need a new direction of coach, Palace and Bournemouth don't seem top struggle to find them.

Ernie Baywood
194 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:11:47
Danny, I loved the Dogs of War. They played a great and effective version of the style that suited those players.

This isn't dogs of war. We don't grind anything out. We barely compete. We just chase and chase - the 'two presses' that, according to Dyche, everyone knows he plays.

It's defence v attack. That's all we are. We're just the defence.

The characters within the Dogs of War wouldn't have stood for that. They wanted to land a glove.

Danny O’Neill
195 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:12:05
If we are going to dismiss another manager (sigh), here is an outside shout.

Neil Critchley, the Blackpool Manager.

It might not sit well with many, but he worked his way up the Liverpool academy system under Klopp and stood in on a few occasions to manage the first team.

He done a good job at Blackpool first time around and deputised under Gerrard at Villa.

Okay his QPR gig didn't work out, but he is from Crewe and is probably more comfortable in the North West and now back at Blackpool.

He seems to have a good reputation as a coach.

Just a thought. I stand by for the flak!!

Mike Hayes
196 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:13:49
Danny O’Neil good shout - anyone but this dinosaur but would he want to tarnish his reputation with this train wreck 🤷
Chris Leyland
197 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:16:23
Danny - I know a Blackpool season ticket holder and he’d offer to drive Critchley to us in a heartbeat if we went for him! Here are his latest posts about Critchley:


I'm going to set up a Critch Support Group.

We will meet weekly and all watch an exciting game of football on a big screen.

Remember what they were Blackpool fans?

Critchley is slowly sucking the life out of our fan base so that even wins are boring.


Blackpool FC (edited)

1-0 loss away at Stevenage

1-0 loss away at Burton

1-0 loss away at Bolton

1-0 loss away at Cheltenham

1-0 loss away at orient

1-0 loss away at wigan

1-0 loss away at Derby

And about the same shit performances in them all.

Even worse away at Lincoln. Wycombe and Port Vale.

Critchley is mad, does the same things over and over again but gets the same result.

Danny O’Neill
198 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:19:09
Quality Dave @191!

I won't disagree with you Ernie other than I didn't enjoy watching the "Dogs or War".

More effective in midfield. This current team has an absent or bypassed midfield and depends on it's defence.

That doesn't win games and challenges the inevitable laws of average.

I think we are in agreement, just phrasing it different.

Mike Hayes
199 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:25:09
Anyone got Big Duncs phone number - him and Baines until end of season - they may instil a bit of pride along with some of the U21’s Dobbin Chermiti Danjuma - they CANNOT do worse than dinosaur Dyche surely 🤷
Rob Halligan
200 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:30:53
Hearing lads talking on the coach last night and saying that blues fans were arguing and almost coming to blows with other blues fans at half time, just shows how pretty desperate thing are. During the first half, it must have been 4-0 at the time, I myself had a go at my mate of about 47 years, who rightly or wrongly, does nothing but moan about this, that and the other as far as Everton are concerned. I said a few things that I regret, but we quickly made up during the half time interval.

For once, Dyche made early substitutions, well early for him, changing three at half time. Jack Harrison done sweet FA though, and he will definitely return to Leeds this summer. I’m still prepared to give Patterson time. The lads young and could be a very good defender in years to come. Shows how poor our midfield was when Gomes was our best player and should definitely start on Sunday. He’s the only one who can find a team mate in the same coloured shirt. That’s not a slight on Jordan Pickford by the way!

Watched the other subs warming up during the second half, and that must have been hugely frustrating for them. Lewis Warrington, Danjuma and Chermiti must have spent a good half hour down in that corner by us, doing their little shuttle runs and stretches, knowing full well Dyche wouldn’t use them. Chermiti almost made it onto the pitch, but sadly had to retreat back to the bench when Patterson was injured, chasing back in the lead up to goal number six, and replaced by our final permitted sub, Ben Godfrey.

The only good thing about last night? Well a pint before the game in the stadium was half price, so £3.95 a pint. Definitely didn’t taste like Singha though.

Brian Harrison
201 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:32:28
I couldnt watch the first half but kept checking my phone for the updates and then after a chance for Beto the goals started rolling in for Chelsea. Watched all the 2nd half but the game was over after 30 minutes of the first half, but what response would we get, and while there was a lot of energy being expanded we created next to nothing in chances. I have said for a couple of seasons we just don't ever look like a side who on occasions could score 2 or 3 goals, it was the same under Lampard and the same under Dyche. Yet both Luton and Forest do score goals on a regular basis, yet we seem to have even stopped creating chances now which is very worrying.

I heard Carragher saying about Onana and like me he cant see what he brings to the team, yet many on here think he is a special player, I really wish that what was the case because we badly need some quality for Sunday. I thought Gomes had a decent second half and looked to get us on the front foot, but we lack so much quality in our front 3, no pace very little movement there were few options for Gomes.

The question now is what reaction we get on Sunday which has now turned into a defining moment of the season. I hope Gueye and DCL can start, although he has done nothing much since joining it may be worth playing Danjuma at least he has pace. Sadly looks like Branthwaite will miss the game thats a huge miss if he cant make it. I doubt Forest will be as easy to play against as Burnley were so we will need the players to be on it from minute 1. Finally those Everton fans who filled out the away end yet again, you are the only thing that this club can be proud of at this time.

Grant Rorrison
202 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:34:15
Mike 199. Anybody got Big Dunc's number? Yeah, most of the teams he's managed against, sadly. No thanks.
John Williams
203 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:36:13
You cannot have a revolving door mentality changing Managers all the time.
These days its not easy, but you have to clear out the
bad, substandard players from the club, who are mostly overpaid.
Some of these players we have, would struggle to get
a place in the team when Mick Lyons was playing in the 1970s.
Bad recruiting and trying to bring in players on the cheap, does not help.
Back to the manager situation, I have seen more Everton Managers in the last few years, than I have ever seen, all the years watching and supporting the club.
Danny O’Neill
204 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:38:45
I didn't go down at half time Rob, but there was a lot of arguing going on behind me. As we left at the end, I ended up getting consumed amongst the Chelsea supporters on the way to Fulham Broadway.

A shame it comes to that. We are all Evertonians.

Mike Hayes
205 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:39:53
Grant he’s only managed two and FG weren’t doing too good when he took over - still aren’t now - he knows the fans and what they want not saying long term but fuck me we need some motivation instead of that dinosaur - no pride, no hope left on or off the pitch - what else is there 🤷
Sean Mitchell
206 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:43:34
Paul #162.

Boss post.

No messing around and said it exactly how it is.

Bobby Mallon
207 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:52:47
Danny he would still have only won 1 in 15 ( I think). I think he has upset some players with his 1990/2000 ways.
Today as a manager you have to use athletes in the premiership. Then you have to be a psychologist and treat players completely differently than the old fashion way. It’s criminal that he keeps playing a 39 yr old at right wing and a 35 yr old at right back. We are skint and won’t be able to buy in the summer so Patterson and the kids his age will be our future. We need players who are fit enough to do simple pass and go. We need pace up top. I could go on. Dyche is not the future now or next season
George Cumiskey
208 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:55:19
Watched the goals this morning and Pickford was at fault for three of them in my opinion, and if we hadn't been docked those points we be relatively safe and Dyche would of been well sacked for the shocking run and performances we've been on this year.
Rob Dolby
209 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:55:20
Tony 177,

That's the thing which has baffled me, we are used to seeing 2 low blocks of 4 and Doucoure running around with a single striker all season. Not pretty but it got us 35 points with a limited squad.

Then last night it was like the wacky races. Players getting thrown under the bus left right and centre.

Onana looked like he wanted to win the game single handedly last night. He was charging around rather than holding position. McNeil bombing around and midfielders running off the ball leaving massive gaps.

Couple that with individual mistakes and we got a pasting.

Their first was decent, Palmer is a quality footballer.

The 2nd should have been delt with before the cross.

Pickford at fault for the 3rd

4th was a good bit of skill by Jackson.

5th was accidental by Doucoure but never the less a pen.

6th is why Patterson isn't ready for the prem.

Imagine if Moshiri would have had the foresight to sell the liver buildings to one of his other companies in 2022 for 100m we would be on 35 points now and be seen as a well run club!

Forrest will fancy their chances after that display last night. It's going to be a very nervy game on Sunday.

Derek Knox
210 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:58:30
Rob @ 200, sorry mate and to all the loyal supporters let down again. It was bad enough watching at home, but at least the toilet was close.

Their Bar should have been selling Blue None !

Bobby Mallon
211 Posted 16/04/2024 at 09:59:01
And on the first goal. I love Branthwait but getting nutmeged is criminal. He should have been side on.
Rob Halligan
212 Posted 16/04/2024 at 10:00:47
Has been mentioned a few times on this thread now, about sacking Dyche, but WHO EXACTLY, is there within the club to pull the trigger? Moshiri doesn’t want to know, we have no chairman and an acting CEO who at the moment has other things on his mind regards the points deduction. Kevin Thelwell would seem the obvious choice, but from what I’m hearing, he will probably be gone before Dyche anyway. Heard last night that Thelwell is leaving in the summer, to be replaced by Moyes, to do exactly what if it’s not be the manager?

Also heard last night that both us and Forest are to get 50% of the points deduction back, so one for us and two for Forest. Quite how people know this I don’t know, seeing as our appeal only went in yesterday. It’s amazing though, how the corrupt premier league can suddenly fast track our appeal, and come up with a decision within the next two weeks, but cannot “Fast Track “ any of Man City’s 115 charges!

Depressing times! 😢😢

Paul Hewitt
213 Posted 16/04/2024 at 10:12:55
Rob, Moshiri is still the owner he can sack him. If you were the captain on a ship and it was your last voyage. You still wouldn't let it crash would you ?
Rob Halligan
214 Posted 16/04/2024 at 10:18:26
Paul, Moshiri doesn’t want to know!
Ernie Baywood
215 Posted 16/04/2024 at 10:20:15
They could sack him. They won't sack him. There are financial implications and no-one is going to sign off on that right now.

As for hearing about 50% of the points coming back - I'll say with great confidence that person is full of shit. They don't know.

Peter Mills
216 Posted 16/04/2024 at 10:26:06
It looks like we need to win 6-8 points from the remaining games. No easy task - Forest offer far more goal threat than we do, so do Brentford. Luton at their place is a very tough game. Blades have a habit of getting relegated then starting to win. Rs and Arsenal - no comment.

Everyone at the club needs to take a very hard look at themselves, dust themselves down, and work their backsides off. The manager needs to assess who is not prepared to do that, and axe them. Some inspiration is needed from somewhere.

All we can do is offer our absolute support, once again.

Dave Abrahams
217 Posted 16/04/2024 at 10:27:16
Grant (202) and Mike (205)I remember when we recalled Duncan as acting manager when Benitez was sacked, it was against Aston Villa, the crowd were wound up singing and cheering outside the ground an hour before the game and well up for it at the start of the game and up to the twentieth minute when we realised the team wasn’t up to it, the crowd were mostly silent after that.

We got beat 1-0, offered little throughout the match and going home on the bus it was like sitting in a 60 seat funeral car, not a word.

What Sunday’s atmosphere will be like is anyone’s guess, I’d like to think the team selected will come out and try to make some amends for last night, if they do they will get a very positive response like they always get when they show some spirit and fight.

Will they, come on show us what you are made of: Men or very weak mice.

Mike Hayes
218 Posted 16/04/2024 at 10:47:21
Dave 217 - grasping at straws wholly deflated after that 6-0 drubbing it’s indefensible from the manager and players - no point in Tarkowski saying its on them - yes they gave up but Dyche picks the same crap team in a 4-4-1-1 formation with no tactics to speak of - someone who’s only played Championship/Football manager games could pick a better formation than this dinosaur FFS - I feel sorry for the travelling fans from all away games being served up this dross - near 40,000 home fans are treated to the same garbage - BIG changes needed and quick or we won’t be winning any more games or staying up with him in charge 😡
Christopher Timmins
219 Posted 16/04/2024 at 10:51:36
I did not see last night coming, we are a dreadful watch but we have been competitive in most of the games this season.

There will be no managerial change, six games to go, it will be down to four after close of business on Wednesday week, who's coming in with that window available to them, do you want fireman Sam back in the building?

Let's see it through to the end of the season and take it from there.

If there is to be a reset, let it happen in the summer.

Christine Foster
220 Posted 16/04/2024 at 10:53:48
Capitulate on Sunday and I think we are done for. Irrespective of when, Dyche is a dead man walking. He will probably still be there until the end of the season, or change of ownership but I doubt wherever we are playing next season, Dyche will not be in charge.

You could stack the mitigating circumstances for him going, but several managers before him never had the chances he has had. In fairness his choices have been limited regards the players he has at his disposal, but the unsurmountable facts are he persisted with a failed system and failed players.

It's hard to look ahead at the moment but the ɓulk of the current squad will not be at Everton next year, that's probably a good thing for everyone as this is huge to get over.

Right now Dyche needs to change it dramatically, change personal and style with ALL the players at his disposal. It may not be enough, but he needs to put this right.

Furthermore, this is not the time to condemn the players, how hard is that to write, but we need to inspire the team, no matter what happens during games.

Win games, drag them through it, do enough guys because we are all they have.

Michael Bennet
221 Posted 16/04/2024 at 10:59:31
Rob dolby you are spot on regarding the clever accountancy..that's what that stefan guy the football finance expert is just said on white n jordan show, Chelsea sold 2 hotels what are I an area of the country what is probably the most profitable regards to growth how come moschiri didn't sell the liver birds to get round psr discuss
Barry Rathbone
222 Posted 16/04/2024 at 10:59:34
Paul Cherrington 182

" it's the players who are the problem, not whoever the manager is. We have a squad who is basically not good enough at the top level mainly and this is the major issue. It doesn't matter who the manager is - if your players are not good enough, you will get results like last night."

Shhh!! The torches have been lit and pitchforks sharpened the managerial sacrifice MUST begin.

Coleman, Gueye, DCL, Onana, Doucoure, Gomes all variously cited as "the answer" in times past yet all have had a go and made what kind of difference?

But yeh, it's the manager.

Christy Ring
223 Posted 16/04/2024 at 11:07:56
Dyche's formation and tactics are a big problem, it's not working and he still insists on playing that way. Last night Chelsea destroyed us in midfield because we had two in the middle, completely overrun. He changed it against Newcastle and we looked a different team, but back to his old formation again last night. He waited until we were 4-0 down at half-time before he changed it, he's lost it. We can't sack him, put him on gardening leave and put Baines in charge, the only problem is that we have no board to do this?
Iain Latchford
224 Posted 16/04/2024 at 11:08:57
No club ran as badly as Everton does well. It's complete chaos from top to bottom and that is reflected on the pitch. Last night needs to be our "Burnley moment" from a couple seasons ago. We were in a worse position than we are now after that and still came through it. Tough as it is we simply have to get behind the team for the remaining games. Not doing so would just be an act of self harm. As Christine rightly says we are now the only thing the players have.
Derek Knox
225 Posted 16/04/2024 at 11:10:59
Paul @ 213, you brought back memories of a film I watched many years ago, a true story by the way, and although a bit dated now, is still worth a view, with a Star Studded cast.

The Film was ' Voyage of the Damned ', although Insurance had nothing to do with that ship, I believe many have incidents/accidents for that very reason !

Further to my comments, I still can't believe that while Moshiri, has almost 'walked away' that so much money (from whatever source) despite been wasted on Managers/Players/Wages etc, has been pumped in to the creation of BMD.

Then to oversee a drop into the Championship, or a fall from grace, how that can be ignored or written off. Maybe there is a new Investor, but they are cutting it fine and leaving it far too late.

James Marshall
226 Posted 16/04/2024 at 11:15:06
It's partly the manager, but it's more the players in my view - I was at Stamford Bridge last night with my girlfriend for her first ever football match, and thankfully she really enjoyed the experience despite the result (she knows we're shit and predicted we'd lose 3-1).

Honestly, I've been going to Everton games, and Woking games (and a few West Ham with an old Hammer ate) since the late 80's and I can't remember a worse performance than last night from any of the above - I certainly have never seen my team lose 6-0.

We were pitiful when Chelsea had the ball, giving the best player in the league right now in Cole Palmer (what a talent by the way) so much time and space to do whatever he wanted it was unreal. Our midfield was wide open, and our defending was static - players literally standing still doing nothing. Our tackling was pathetic, and players like Doucoure were notably dreadful in every department (he wasn't the only one but he stood out for me).

That game probably won't relegate us unless it comes down to goal difference, and as the bloke next to me said as he left on 65 minutes, this could turn out to be a wake up call for the players - I said he was clutching at straws if that's our only hope.

I believe we'll lose to Luton in a couple of weeks based on that last night. Fail to beat Forest in Sunday, coupled with losing to Luton, and I reckon we go down. Abject, shocking, pathetic. Take your pick.

Oh, and the trains were a nightmare, it took me 3 hours to get to the ground and I only live in Hertfordshire!

Mike Hayes
227 Posted 16/04/2024 at 11:31:23
So the players pick themselves AND the formation ffs! And there’s me thinking it was the manager who insists on picking the same players that let the fans down game after game, and the same shit formation that doesn’t work and the tactics that don’t work - so we need to sack the players and bring in 11 Dyches 🤷
Barry Rathbone
228 Posted 16/04/2024 at 11:56:35
Mike 227

You inadvertently make the point about the manager having effectively zilche in the way of options. He's picked them all in one form or another and what difference has it made? - zippety doo dah

I realise people have to vent but we've tried every shade of manager and got worse whereas the players remain the same or have been swapped out for similar.

There must come a time when people have to deal in reality

Jim Wilson
229 Posted 16/04/2024 at 12:02:16
I'm hoping there is not more to it than a slight injury for Gueye.

Because we desperately need him to play against Forest. We need a midfield 3 of Gueye, Garner and Gomes. That is our solid base with a bit of passing ability in there.

Onana should be nowhere near the team. He is useless.

James Hughes
230 Posted 16/04/2024 at 12:15:48
Previous posts cover all the salient points, so not much to add. Just to say I am glad I am already grey haired

I watched, briefly from my armchair, and when Beto missed the open goal from 3 yards. Well I was here we go again. Chavs go up the other end and Cold Palmer walks through the defense to score. I switched channels

I have never felt so much dread when I watch the Blues as I do these days. It used to be a highlight of my week. Going home and getting out to the game was great, the noise we can make is amazing, sadly not now.

I see the next four games are all live on SKY, those bastards want to see us go down and want to watch us suffer, as they point their thumbs down.

Dave Abrahams
231 Posted 16/04/2024 at 12:22:54
James (230).

Yes, sad times indeed. I feel the same as you.

Count your blessings. I wish I had your grey hair, mine has nearly all gone, and I'm not blaming Everton for that… now Kenwright? Maybe!

Christy Ring
232 Posted 16/04/2024 at 12:25:12
Barry #228,

We have more or less the same players for the last few years, mainly because they're on big contracts which no one else will match; that's why we are where we are.

Dyche's tactics and formation are not working, we create very little with a striker on his own upfront and playing so defensive.

Luton, Forest and Burnley are below us in the table, and they're squads are no better than ours, but they have managers with more positivity.

James Marshall
233 Posted 16/04/2024 at 12:26:42
I watched Dyche a fair bit on the touchline last night and he was doing his nut when our players got into good areas, but bottled the pass or the cross and went backwards.

It isn't entirely about tactics and the manager. The players are afraid and massively lack the confidence to play.

They're timid in possession and weak in the tackle. That's not the manager's fault in my view. He can only do so much – the players need to sort themselves out.

I also agree, the manager can be unimaginative and slow to react – his hands are also tied by the options he has, and he appears stubborn. As all managers are.

Mike Hayes
234 Posted 16/04/2024 at 12:28:24

I get your point but he has to take the bulk of the blame as the rest have and Lampard did with almost the same players. Do players become shite overnight or is it coached out of them?

These are professional players being paid thousands of pounds per week and they don't perform on the day when it matters. If it's not Dyche's fault, why stick to the same shit formation?

He seems to trust those letting the fans down rather than bringing in a few youngsters with something to prove… Why?

The way we are at the minute, we are staring relegation in the face. I can't see us winning any of the last 6 games – we'll be lucky if we get draws.

The teams ready to face us will be raring to go, especially Luton and Sheffield Utd who, although they need the points like we do, will come out fighting — and we won't retaliate.

Raymond Fox
235 Posted 16/04/2024 at 12:46:33
I didn't expect that result. Okay, we were likely to lose the game but, if nothing else, we have been hard to score against.
If we need any more proof that the players are just not good enough, last night just confirmed it.

It was one of those days/nights, I suppose, but if we put that on one side, we still can't score goals. How are we going to win games if we can't put the ball in the net.

It's very hard to have any confidence that we can beat anyone.

Mark Ryan
236 Posted 16/04/2024 at 12:54:03
If he is frustrated and doing his nut because the players are not doing what he asks them then they are not playing for him. They are deliberately showing everyone and indirectly saying "We are not playing for him."

Perhaps they have had enough xG… I know I have.

Ernie Baywood
237 Posted 16/04/2024 at 12:54:25
There are plenty of things he could try with the current squad.

He's tried none of them. He occasionally shuffles the deck chairs a bit.

So far we've identified that the issue is the players not knowing what to do, and the players lacking confidence.

That's his job. He's supposed to lift the players (remember when people talked about 'man management'). He's supposed to organise the players in such a way that they can do a serviceable job, even with their limitations.

I don't necessarily expect a win at Chelsea. I do expect us to occasionally perform reasonably. This isn't knee jerk - it's over 12 months of mostly torrid football and it's 4 months of some of the worst form in our history.

He just have some kind of job to do?

For what it's worth, the cost of our squad is about mid table. This is under performance.

Barry Rathbone
238 Posted 16/04/2024 at 13:20:33
Mike 234

There are levels of professional footballer and my contention is only 3 or 4 at this club are prem therefore what can any manager do ?

Mark Murphy
239 Posted 16/04/2024 at 13:23:50
Whoa whoa whoa there a minute. Just rewind a bit…
Rob H - did you say you heard that Thelwell is being replaced by Moyes? DAVID Moyes???
Tony Abrahams
240 Posted 16/04/2024 at 13:30:38
I know what I’d do Ernie, but it would be interesting to hear other people’s views, on what they would do.

The football was decent until we blew up against Wolves, (after a very grueling December, for such a small squad) and we simply haven’t recovered, from this imo.

I believe the players are badly lacking confidence, and I think what James M, noticed last night, about the players being very timid in possession, has began to grow since the home game against Manchester City.

I do believe the players know their job though Ernie, and I think last night proved that we are a better team, when we sit deep, and try to frustrate the opposition, rather than trying to press.

It’s obviously all about opinions, but other than for a season under Martinez, and about a quarter of the season under Silva, plus about eight games under Ancelotti, it’s mostly been like this at Everton, for a very, very, very, long time.

The club is rotten to its nepotistic core, and until there’s changes at the very top, it doesn’t matter who the Everton manager is. The club is only going one way, and I’m certain we would have already been playing in the championship, only for the job Dyche did when he was appointed last season.

Is he the answer? Not playing the football we are currently playing, but that’s why it would be interesting to hear the thoughts of others, and how they could get more out of such a disjointed squad?

Tom Bowers
241 Posted 16/04/2024 at 13:40:36
Before yesterday's game we knew one or two of the remaining games would probably produce little or nothing but how on earth can they play like that.

Everton have played many depressing games this season, more than any other but what happened yesterday defies logic.

Dyche, as we have all said has little to play with especially on the offensive side but the defense has been reasonably sound for the most part, so what went wrong.

Time to regroup (if that's possible) because now things become critical with time running out.

Christy Ring
242 Posted 16/04/2024 at 13:51:01
Tony #240 I agree Dyche kept us up last season, but his formation and tactics, 1 win in 15 matches, it's not working and he still starts 4411 is completely killing us. Playing 2 wingers with no pace, and being overrun in midfield is putting huge pressure on Tarkowski and Branthwaite. Which part of play Gomes with Gueye in a 3 man midfield, worked against Newcastle and other matches, so why back to his tried a d failed system?
Bill Gall
243 Posted 16/04/2024 at 13:51:05
Barry @ 228

You are correct in asking people to deal in reality, and the reality is, if it wasn't for the excuse of the points deduction, supporters would still be asking for him to he fired.

His record this season so far after 32 games he has only won 9. with 8 draws equivalent of 35pts. Yes so with the points reduction it makes it look worse, but it does not change his actual 32game performance.

I admit I thought he was the the best manager who would be able to save us from relegation, but after last nights disgraceful performance I belief he is the worst manager to try to save us from relegation.

The players have a lot to answer for, as it was them on the pitch, but to play at times as it was the first time they had met each other was not at all what is expected from Professional Footballers, and the only excuse that we can reluctantly except was that the tactics that the manager had worked on during the week did not work.

This brings us on the reality of the whole mess created since Moshiri became owner, with minor problems not being rectified, turning into major problems that appear no one can either address or solve.

As J.Moores once said our supporters are the best and deserve the best, but these days there seems no one at the club that has the slightest idea or interest in the backbone of the club and that is it,s knowledgeable faithful supporters who face the reality of the mess in front of them, and have to deal with it on a daily basis.

The reality facing Everton is, if the performance of the manager is not bringing positive results it has to change, it is no different to anything in life, if you have a minor problem and ignore it, it becomes a major problem and Everton are in a Major problem that to be solved must have the correct people to do it. You cant hope that S.Dyche can solve it, if it is proven that he cant.

Frank Crewe
244 Posted 16/04/2024 at 13:56:19
To be honest I expected us to lose this game. But I also expected the score to be far more respectable. 1-0, 2-0, 2-1. Not 6-0. What made it worse is the fact that there wasn't one player from Pickford to Beto and everyone in between, including the subs that could say they played OK. They were all terrible. We can only hope that they are all thoroughly ashamed of their pathetic showing and will be determined to put it right against Forest on Sunday.
Is it Dyche's fault they were so terrible? To an extent it is always the managers fault. How can it not be? But that doesn't absolve the players from their part in this debacle. They have a responsibility to the club and the fans to do their best. They all shirked that responsibility yesterday.
Derek Knox
245 Posted 16/04/2024 at 13:58:43
Tony A @ 240, great and painfully honest assessment mate. In the old saying the Buck Stops Here Dyche, (ie Manager) you could see his frustration in many games on the touchline. Having said that he/they have had a week or more to prepare for games gone by and basically repeated the same timidity and lacks of confidence.

I believe Thelwell should also have questions asked of him, recruitment has been more or less abysmal. We don't have many matches let to rectify and halt any further slide, let's hope something is implemented to change that. Otherwise the unthinkable will happen.

Clive Rogers
246 Posted 16/04/2024 at 13:59:31
Michael, 221,

Chelsea FC owned the two hotels that were sold so the money went direct to the club.

The Liver buildings are owned by Corestate Capital of Luxembourg and Moshiri himself. Not the same situation.

Anthony A Hughes
247 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:00:01
20 goals conceded in the last 10 games, Dyche's much-vaunted defensive solidity has deserted him.

We're like an over-the-hill punch-drunk boxer whose chin has gone.

David Hallwood
248 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:03:34
I know it's easy being an armchair manager, but surely Dyche can see what we can all see, he's also got all the stats to realise that Young & Coleman cannot be our right flank, that Doucouré is woefull out of form as is McNeil.

He's either going to be like Mr Micawber and hope something turns up or he can look in the mirror say, "this isn't working" and change it.

My preferred option has been for the 4 months 352 with McNeil & Patterson as the WBs, and DCL & Beto or even Chermitti up top.

Now I'm thinking fuck it 433 gana Garner Onana or Gomes, with Dobbin DCL Danjuma, to gives us pace, energy and goal threat.

Obviously none of this is going to and we'll stroll into relegation.

Barry Rathbone
249 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:21:56
Bill @243,

The alternative view on tactics is these players are simply not good enough to make them work against better opposition.

And if most of the other teams are better than our mob, what can any manager do?

Raymond Fox
250 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:23:52
Our problem is not managers its player quality.

Every time we get a player that seems to have top ability we sell them.
This season we are without Richarlison, Gordon, Gray and Iwobi who used to get hammered on here but is staring for Fulham!
If we could have kept hold of those players I don't think we would be biting our nails today.

Ok, we didnt have much of a choice in those cases but you cant be a selling club and hope to be any good for very long.
God knows what sort of a squad we will start with next season, thats provided we stop in this division.

You can still get 9/2 we go down, the bookies still have faith that we will stay up and I think we will scrape enough points together also.

Karl Meighan
251 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:25:44
Obviously last night was a disgrace to every Evertonian, made a mockery of all the support we have all given.

From a football point of view, I don't understand how he can pick Godfrey for many games yet, when a centre-back gets injured, he prefers a player who has not played in months.

Even if we don't agree, it's okay as long as the reason behind ways to play and a plan can be seen. I just have no idea what we are trying to do anymore; if it is keep it tight and nick one from a set-piece, do we really need to pay anyone a high wage for such limited information?

Andrew Clare
252 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:29:11
Logic tells me that we are doomed to be relegated. I hope I am wrong because there is no way that we are going to get promoted next season.

Dark times with no light at the end of the tunnel. The obvious conclusion to years of neglect.

Rob Dolby
253 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:31:57
Clive 246,

Did Chelsea sell their 2 hotels to their owner Todd Boehley for £80M to satisfy PSR?

So if we sold an asset owned by the club to Moshiri would that satisfy PSR? Not that we have much to sell but regardless it's a pretty murky world.

Last night's match was a team worth £1B playing against a team stripped of most assets, worth a fraction of that, and we wonder why we got beaten so convincingly.

Brian Wilkinson
254 Posted 16/04/2024 at 14:42:01
Dyche has definetely lost the dressing room, whether this is down to his tactics and insisting on playing narrow or not I do not know, but when you are bringing the likes of Patterson, Coleman, McNeil and Harrison in off the wings to play narrow, you are getting full backs being caught out of position, and McNeil being drawn in from the wing, its just not working.

If we get rolled over against Forest I feel he has to go, Moshiri should do it, if we face points deduction for paying him off, I would rather take that hit, than risk going down, a new manager bounce might be needed and for me short term, I would bring Lee Carsley in with baines his right hand man, someone to steady the ship for the remaining games.

Like I say win v Forest a totally different scenario, defeat and for me he has to go.

Andy Crooks
255 Posted 16/04/2024 at 15:02:00
Barry R, I really do get your point. These players are not good enough. The most we can ask is 100% and last night we didn't get it. They hid, all of them.
Is Dyche getting the best from them? Absolutely not. Could another manager get more for the next few games? Perhaps
The "holiday" incident has, in my view had a profound effect. These cowards do not seem to be playing for him. Only one solution to that Barry and, unfortunately, it involves Dyche carrying the can.

Clive Rogers
256 Posted 16/04/2024 at 15:13:20
The defense has taken a dip in form. Coleman is not playing well, Branthwaite has looked tired recently while Tarkowski looks sluggish. He is chopping players down every game. Mykolenko offers nothing going forward. There is no protection for the defence from any of the midfield four, no matter which four.
Karl Meighan
257 Posted 16/04/2024 at 15:24:50
Rob@253 its also eleven v eleven and regardless of there better quality, Chelsea should have been challenged. They have got a important semi final the weekend, if we had matched them for half a hour who knows how they would have reacted. Chelsea are not playing for European places or in danger of relegation and we turned them over a few months ago. I understand your point but want to see more effort at least and a good attitude.
Bill Gall
258 Posted 16/04/2024 at 15:32:48
Barry for a start he can try dropping players who,s performances every week are unacceptable to the standard required, or simply change the tactics or formations that every manager in the premier can plan to play against.

He is the manager who controls how the team are set up and who plays where, All clubs have problems against the opposition but do not become rigid in 1 style of play but plan different tactical systems that can achieve a positive result.

Dyche only has 1 plan and if it does not work has no alternative, and that is a major reason on his late or lack of substitutions to change a game, by trying to bring on players who are not used to any other system in a different position.

Clive Rogers
259 Posted 16/04/2024 at 15:35:26
Rob, 253, yes. They sold two hotels and land to their parent company BlueCo 22 Properties Ltd. Boehley is one of three directors of BlueCo who own the football club. It was more of a transfer of ownership than a sale. I doubt any money changed hands, but it should help PSR. They will claim £76.3m but they could be in trouble if the PL believe the deal to be worth less apparently.
Peter McCann
260 Posted 16/04/2024 at 15:58:28
Last night was truly awful from every player. It is an all time low. If we are to survive we need players to totally commit to staying up. Some look like they are looking for their next move. Others are lacking confidence. Some are too old. Some are simply not good players making basic errors and lacking skill. At the end of the season no matter where we end up I would strongly recommend to whoever is the manager to go and resign Conor Coady on loan to bring his influence to be brought to the team which at the moment is sadly lacking
Phil Smith
261 Posted 16/04/2024 at 16:03:00
Gomes has to start next game, as should Danjuma, if he's fit. Think Dobbin is still not ready. I'd start Chemiti over Beto if DCL isn't ready as well. Beto is such a donkey. Whoever scouted him should never be used ever again!
Bill Fairfield
262 Posted 16/04/2024 at 16:12:14
If Chermiti can’t get a game ahead of Beto, he must be an awful player. It’s hard to believe he could be worse. Scouting team need replacing.
Clive Rogers
263 Posted 16/04/2024 at 16:15:29
Phil, 261, surely it must be Thelwell who is responsible. He is the director of football. He has signed 13 players including loans in the last two seasons and none of them have really excelled. The five from last summer have been quite disastrous, Beto, Chermiti, Danjuma, Young and Harrison.
Andy Crooks
264 Posted 16/04/2024 at 16:16:12
I agree, Bill. I think Chermiti will be a decent player. Beto is probably at the top of his game at the minute which is very concerning
John Raftery
265 Posted 16/04/2024 at 16:28:05
Paul (182) You have hit the nail on the head. The players are not good enough. Cole Palmer is a class act. The other Chelsea players are average but what they do have, when they are switched on, is pace with a touch of quality. We have nobody anywhere near Palmer’s level and lack attacking players with pace. A few have quality, notably Gomes, but cannot get around the pitch quickly enough for long enough.

None of our players would be near a place in any of the elite teams. Even Branthwaite who has enjoyed some excellent games, and is the main reason our defence has improved this season, has been mugged by top class players in recent weeks. When Southgate chose not to put him on the pitch during the recent international break, I wondered why. Perhaps he spotted the weaknesses in the lad’s play when faced with a top drawer opponent.

Most fans of all clubs pin the blame for problems on one man, usually the manager. Hence the revolving door swings round ever faster at clubs which lack a structure, a carefully assembled squad to play to a clearly designed system and back room support services including data analysis and usage which should inform every aspect of running a football team from recruitment to putting the ball in the net.

Until we can start putting those elements in place our downward spiral will continue no matter who the manager might be.

Billy Shears
266 Posted 16/04/2024 at 17:18:00
Time to go back to basics and put in some hard graft for a team for the weekend...4-4-2... injuries permitting!

Keane (Captain)

The players last night were a total disgrace to the Royal Blue Shirt,so change it up and start fast for once and take the game to Forest,be brave and go for goals and at least fucking try to put smiles on the faithful's faces as we need a boost and three points after last night's train wreck of a game!

Bobby Mallon
267 Posted 16/04/2024 at 17:33:44
John Raftery 269.

I completely disagree with "it's not the manager's fault". He picks the players week in week out. He never gives any of the youngsters any game time whatsoever.

I have said many times the premier league is for young athletes who can run and run. It's for young attacking players with pace.

Bobby Mallon
268 Posted 16/04/2024 at 17:37:35
Phil Smith, therein lies the problem. Dobbin and the younger players not getting game time even when the tried and tested are not doing it, week after week.
Mark Ryan
269 Posted 16/04/2024 at 17:37:50
Spot on, Bobby. He thinks like an old school manager and that's his first failing.

Dyche is a Brontosaurus.

Bobby Mallon
270 Posted 16/04/2024 at 17:50:26
Barry Rathbone,

You can say what you like about the players but it is the manager. If those players you mentioned are the problem, then they need to be changed for other players from the Under-21s or for Chermiti and other fringe players.
Les Callan
271 Posted 16/04/2024 at 17:53:08
Billy @256.

Keane and Godfrey in defence. What system? 4-2-4? Gomes and Harrison in midfield.

Lord give me strength.

David Currie
272 Posted 16/04/2024 at 17:58:59
Tony 240,

I think Dyche could have tried playing 3-5-2 with Mykolenko, Tarkowski and Branthwaite at the back. Wing backs Paterson and McNeil.

Play 2 holding 6s with Gomes just ahead and Calvert-Lewin and Danjuma as 2 strikers. Scoring goals has been a big problem so why has he not gone with having 2 strikers?

Forest and Luton have goals in them! He needs to try something different!!

Chris Leyland
273 Posted 16/04/2024 at 18:19:54
The idea that Dyche is going to radically change the system or make changes to his favoured starters is unrealistic. The fella doesn't usually make substitutes before the 82nd minute. He's going to play the percentages and hope that it eeks out the points to get us over the line.

It's the players who are going to have to decide that they want to change things and try to win a few games but they haven't got the bottle to give it a go.

It's going to be a scary few weeks starting against a Forest team with a bit of pace.

Brian Wilkinson
274 Posted 16/04/2024 at 18:23:14
Dobbin is out for the rest of the season with an ankle injury

We do have a very promising dutch striker in Martin Sherif, but the chances of Dyche playing a 17 year old is not going to happen anytime soon.

Barry Rathbone
276 Posted 16/04/2024 at 18:48:14
Bobby @270,

The idea of throwing in the kids is appealing to fans – the idea of youthful exuberance running the legs off seasoned pros is a corker. But it does make you wonder why relegation threatened clubs never do it.

I suppose one problem is it's a 'shit or bust' idea – the gamble of "losing" dropped first teamers in the hope kids perform miracles for the rest of the season does seem a bit off the wall…

Mike Hayes
277 Posted 16/04/2024 at 18:58:41
Anything is possible, Barry,

If you don't try, you don't know, and it's not like a full squad of U21s are going to play – get 2 or 3 of the more experienced lads in.

Tony Abrahams
278 Posted 16/04/2024 at 19:07:03
I think that’s a sensible post, that you have backed up with good logic, David C.
Barry Rathbone
279 Posted 16/04/2024 at 19:20:59
Mike 277

Quite right, anything is possible, but the bible tells us a house divided cannot stand and that's what would happen if half the first team were hooked.

Mike Hayes
280 Posted 16/04/2024 at 19:23:21
The whole house has all but collapsed on itself. Those in the first team should realise that you play in a shit show, you get hooked.

How about Shit or Bust??

Tony Abrahams
281 Posted 16/04/2024 at 19:42:34
I honestly think that one of Dyche's biggest mistakes is not highlighting just how much pressure both himself and the whole playing squad are under right now.

I'm aware that a lot of people would claim he was just making excuses but I'm just a supporter who only attends Goodison Park these days and the worry of what is happening behind the scenes at my football club is giving me both sleepless nights and headaches.

The Everton team would have been well away from danger but for the mismanagement, nepotism and neglect from above and if I'm hearing stories about how murky things are behind the scenes, then I'm sure the players are hearing a lot more.

Brian Wilkinson
282 Posted 16/04/2024 at 19:44:49
I think I would rather chance Lewis Warrington in midfield than a 38-year-old, at least Warrington can play a forward pass and might just create space for McNeil and Harrison, that's assuming Gueye is not fit for Sunday.

On the bench yesterday along with Chermitti, neither got a sniff. Both seem better options than what started last night.

Dale Self
283 Posted 16/04/2024 at 19:45:24
Yes David Currie, count me in on the 3-5-2 experiment.
Mike Hayes
284 Posted 16/04/2024 at 19:48:23
Can't harm to try a 3-5-2 with Virginia in goal as, the way the finances are, Blunder Boy could be sold along with others.
Shane Corcoran
285 Posted 16/04/2024 at 19:58:07
Can't harm to throw in an inexperienced keeper instead of the main reason we stayed up last season, Mark?

What could go wrong?

Danny O’Neill
286 Posted 16/04/2024 at 20:01:39
Brian, I'll keep this short.

I'd like to see Lewis Warrington given an opportunity.

Denis Richardson
287 Posted 16/04/2024 at 20:04:12
As long as we beat Forest, I honestly don't care about the result yesterday anymore. Goal difference obviously took a battering but we're still out of the drop zone and it's in our hands.

Players at Goodison next week need to take a long look in the mirror and put a fucking mighty shift in.

Just beat Forest. Yesterday's done, move on.

Raymond Fox
288 Posted 16/04/2024 at 20:15:45
Well said, Tony, the players and the manager are paid a lot of money but they have been under relenting pressure for a long time now.

Sure the teams at the top are under pressure each game but they are chasing glory not the dreaded relegation. Plus you also have all the shit with points deducted etc which is none of their doing. That said, they won't be as stressed as us fans.

I think they are trying their best but their best isn't very good.

Ray Jacques
289 Posted 16/04/2024 at 20:25:19
Godfrey and Keane in defence.
We will need to score three to win!!!!
Mike Doyle
290 Posted 16/04/2024 at 20:47:33
Raymond #288, I agree.

Even if the players can distance themselves from the ownership issue, I cannot believe the 2 x points deductions have not had an impact.

I also agree with several posters that the defensive rocks Tarkowski and Branthwaite are starting to look fatigued. Tarkowski's performances have dropped in recent weeks while too much has been asked of Branthwaite in just his first season (had he been at another club, he would probably have been given a breather or two).

However, he has been a delight to watch and I hope we see a few more performances before, as seems likely, he forms part of the summer sale.

Ernie Baywood
291 Posted 16/04/2024 at 21:22:08
I've been saying 3-5-2 with McNeil and Patterson as wing backs since last season. It's pretty obvious to me that we don't have the players to do anything else.

Mykolenko battles and that alone would be a loss, but the lack of footballing quality in the full back positions has hurt us. We can't play any football with Godfrey and Mykolenko in those positions as we have for most of the season.

We've got Godfrey and Braithwaite with great pace in a back 3 with Tarkowski.

Pick 3 from the midfielders. One has to be Gueye in an outright defensive role - incredibly he was our most advanced midfielder for half of this season.

Play someone else off DCL. Try Dobbin there, Chermiti, do we have a creative young player we could try? Or someone with pace in the youth team who could be a Michael Branch or a Danny Cadamarteri? At a push it could be Harrison - that's where his best performances came and it never got tried again. Or of course Danjuma. Could even give Gomes that advanced role. Tell Dom we want him in the box for key moments.

We can't just keep shuffling the same few players and keeping exactly the same failing system. Bringing Harrison in for Young won't be the answer, just as bringing in Young for Harrison wasn't the answer.

It doesn't have to be that, but it does have to be something. The players need a fresh approach. I always remember Joe Royle coming in and suddenly playing players to their strengths. The players looked like they'd suddenly remembered what it was that got them to this level in football.

I don't see Dyche doing any of that. I think he still believes that a couple of draws keeps us up and he's sticking to it.

Mike Price
292 Posted 16/04/2024 at 22:00:27
Can people stop assuming we can sell Pickford for an actual fee! It would be a miracle to get someone to agree to take on his ridiculous contract.
Shane Corcoran
293 Posted 16/04/2024 at 22:03:28
What's the details of his contract, Mike?
Jason Li
294 Posted 16/04/2024 at 22:39:42
Absolutely awful. My later thought was that players might have been close to injury or tired so the manager said don't go flat out. Save yourselves for the next few fixtures. Italians are masters of tight 1-0 strolling football when in the lead.

Or playing like holidays are around the corner when they have an important game coming up next. Maybe I'm giving way too much credit, I don't know.

The biggest squad of first-team players out of the Bottom 5 has the best chance when everyone is diving in, in the final few fixtures.

Still lots to play for. Thinking about this with a planning head to block out the emotional voice.

Mike Price
295 Posted 16/04/2024 at 23:00:31
He got an increase on his £100k per week last season — and an extension!
Laurie Hartley
296 Posted 17/04/2024 at 08:12:22
What Jamie said @143.

Time to grit our teeth and light the Blue flares.

Derek Knox
297 Posted 17/04/2024 at 09:33:49
Laurie, and Jamie, while I share your concern, and passion for Everton, why should it be down to the best fans going to get them over the line?

We have done it twice now (escape relegation with a huge boost from us, the fans); what have most of them (the players and the manager) given in return to acknowledge or reward that loyalty?

It's very much a one-way street from my perspective, and it worries me!

Rob Dolby
298 Posted 17/04/2024 at 09:42:23
Ernie 291,

What do you see in Patterson that I don't? I see a player that can't defend, has poor positioning and decision-making. Going forward, I have seen him put one good cross in against Sheffield Utd with the rest being of very poor quality.

Young, Coleman and Godfrey are better than him, I know that isn't saying much but that is the case.

Dropping Mykolenko who is close to my player of the season for McNeil? McNeil can't defend and would be a total liability there.

Forest play with 2 wingers, I want 2 proper full-backs in their defensive positions, I don't want players getting caught upfield exposing the backline like the other night.

4-4-1-1 for me on Sunday.

Ernie Baywood
299 Posted 17/04/2024 at 10:10:11
Rob, it's not about finding the perfect team. We don't have it. Our players were signed with no real plan for how they would be used. And then we sold the best ones.

We can't play wingers because we pretty much don't have them. We can't really pick two full-backs who can both defend and start play as we don't have them.

What we do have is pace in the centre-back position and a few centrre-midfielders who can't really play in a two-man midfield.

As for Patterson, I don't know if we can really say what we see. He's had some good games and some bad. I think both McNeil and Patterson could offer more going in both directions than the other options (I'd gladly have Coleman there too – though that's not an 'every game' solution nowadays).

As for Mykolenko, I don't intend to criticise what he does. One-on-one defending he's great at. He scraps, he fights and doesn't get beaten easily. Great attributes in a team that does nothing but defend. But at some point, you need your full-backs to play a pass. Let's not mince words – he shits himself.

I'm not going to claim he's accountable for Pickford's screw-up on Monday but it was pretty textbook for us. Mykolenko gets the ball 10 yards inside their half and he's got McNeil down the line and Onana inside free. We've got 5 or 6 in their half... and it ends up back with Pickford. That's repeated many times each game. Maybe he fits into a 3-man defence – but he's a very one-dimensional full-back and I wouldn't be putting him anywhere near a wing-back position.

I'd like to see us attempt some kind of attacking play. Not crazy – I'm actually suggesting a pretty defensive team with a back 5 and Gueye as a holding midfielder. But I think it gives us more prospect of using the ball and getting numbers forward when appropriate.

Ultimately it's just an idea. Something different. Which puts me one idea ahead of our manager who has offered nothing different in months despite some of the worst form in our history.

Could it be worse?

Dave Abrahams
300 Posted 17/04/2024 at 10:50:38
All these posts and we all want the same thing for now: survival. I think the common denominator of these posts is either the squad is very poor, the manager is very poor, or they both are very poor.

I know I wouldn't like to be manager of this very limited squad both in quantity and quality, I know that, whatever team is picked, there are not enough options for the five substitutions and, with the eleven who are eventually picked to start the game, it won't be good enough unless they all play with spirit, fight and the will to win the game.

I hope the team and subs have that message pumped into them on Sunday, backed by a crowd who will support those players if they see they are having a go… they didn't on Monday night.

We, the fans, are the only consistent people Everton have going for them. If we don't get behind them, they are truly fucked.

Tony Abrahams
301 Posted 17/04/2024 at 11:02:58
It would be 4-5-1 for me, but even then we are struggling for full-backs.

I'd probably go with Godfrey because of his pace and also because it looks like one game a week is more than enough for Coleman. I'd stick with Mykolenko as the other full-back, even though I agree with Ernie's assessment of him.

I'd play Tarkowski and pray that Branthwaite is available but these two need protecting because they both look a little bit tired.

I'd play Doucoure on the right, Garner, Gueye and McNeil in a little midfield triangle with Danjuma on the left and pray that Calvert-Lewin is fit to lead the line.

Let the defenders do what they have been doing all season and just defend, and let the others get on with winning the battle in front of them.

Danny O’Neill
302 Posted 17/04/2024 at 11:21:35
Dave @300. You say it all. No more words needed.
Christopher Timmins
303 Posted 17/04/2024 at 12:07:57
If we don't see a positive reaction on Sunday, then we are in serious trouble.

It seems like an eternity since we played and beat Forest at the City Ground. We were by far the superior team on the day, unfortunately, we have regressed since then, confidence is now at an all-time low.

After reading all the comments since Monday night, I think the supporters, with notable exceptions, are just exhausted at this stage and in need of a rest... 3 years fighting relegation has sapped the life out of us.

Laurie Hartley
304 Posted 17/04/2024 at 12:26:54
Derek # 297 ,

The only answer I can think of is that the honour of the club really means so much to us that we have to put all the other stuff to one side for now and live to fight another day.

Singing —————————-

Dave Abrahams
305 Posted 17/04/2024 at 12:36:59
Laurie (304)Singing,

We shall not, We shall not,b We shall not be moved.

By any bleedin' one.

Ian Edwards
306 Posted 17/04/2024 at 13:18:50
Just logged in and saw someone suggesting we play 4-5-1 and another saying 4-1-4-1.

Fans have become accepting of negative tactics.

We deserve all we get.

Rob Dolby
307 Posted 17/04/2024 at 13:48:39
Ian @306, Will you offer your formation, players and tactics or Will you just criticise?

We all know we are less than average but this group have amassed 35 points with games remaining.

I want to see dour negative football for the rest of the season if it means survival. We've all seen what happened when we tried to go for it the other night.

Tony Abrahams
308 Posted 17/04/2024 at 14:09:42
If you would have said we deserve all we get for accepting frauds like Bill Kenwright, I might have agreed with you Ian.

But if you think playing 4-5-1 is negative with the players available and the position we currently find ourselves in, then show us your team please, mate.

Anthony Hawkins
309 Posted 17/04/2024 at 14:19:55
Dave Abrahams summed it up really well.

At this point, it's clear to see the squad aren't displaying the fight as a team to make a go of it. If you want it, you want it and Leeds are at least trying.

This squad appears to have lost the desire. A team is made up of individuals who will play and fight for each other. Where is that spirit?

Ian Edwards
310 Posted 17/04/2024 at 14:24:47
Rob. The dour negative football has only won 1 game since December. And that was a fluke.

Dyche needs to try something more attacking. Try a 4-3-3. Cermiti on the left, Beto and DCL. Liverpool do alright with Diaz, Nunez and Salah. We've got enough DMs to cover: Gueye, Garner, Gomes, Onana..

Clive Rogers
311 Posted 17/04/2024 at 14:37:15
Chermiti has only started one game, and that was against Doncaster when he was subbed at half time. He is nowhere near ready for PL football. He may never be.
Edward Rogers
312 Posted 17/04/2024 at 14:47:46
Ian @310,
Their trio all have pace, something which alludes nearly all of our team/squad. Agree we need to try something different, just can't see what options we have amongst this bunch.
Andrew Bentley
313 Posted 17/04/2024 at 14:48:06
Agree with you Ian. It’s not just about the players who are available it’s the role you are asking them to play.

A 4-3-3 by default is a more attacking line up and means you stay higher up the pitch with 3 attackers and not our lone striker situation every game. Danjuma and Harrison would be more effective in this type of role than they are in a 4-5-1. I’d drop Doucoure even and play Gomes, Garner and Gueye as the MF 3 personally. Our full backs don’t bomb on as it is so we are hardly leaving ourselves exposed in this type of formation.

Sadly Dyche is safety first with his selections and it’s backfiring

The players are internationals in lots of cases and decent potential - put them in another team and they would perform much better. I don’t buy into this they are all crap and can’t play nonsense - they are playing crap yes but they all have talent otherwise they wouldn’t be at the level they are. A decent manager would get the best out of them and have them playing better. Guardiola, Klopp, De Zerbi would all get these boys playing more effectively. Alonso in his first season as a manager has demonstrated the ability to get teams and players playing better. Can’t buy into no other manager on the planet could get a tune out of our players

Clive Rogers
314 Posted 17/04/2024 at 15:01:34
Any system is going to be negative with the players we have. Our midfield players in general are not comfortable going forward as can be seen by the number of PL goals they have scored. Doucoure has the most with 6. Onana, McNeil and Harrison have 2 each while Garner, Gueye and Gomes have 1 each. Young has 0. With the exception of Doucoure who is erratic, they are just not effective attacking players. Compare that with Palmer with 20 goals from attacking MF.
Ian Edwards
315 Posted 17/04/2024 at 15:24:00
Clive 314. We play with 1 up front and the players you mention are coming from deep as mids or wide/inverted mids. If they were situated higher up the pitch in a front 3 we may do better.
Clive Rogers
316 Posted 17/04/2024 at 15:36:56
Ian, 315, they may or may not do slightly better, but the fact is we have signed too many negative MFs. Gueye is never going to score many and we knew that. Neither are Onana, Garner, Gomes and McNeil and their records with us and previous clubs tell us that. In his last season at Burnley McNeil played all 38 games for 0 goals. Young is a fixture in midfield at present which is ridiculous at almost 39.
Rob Dolby
317 Posted 17/04/2024 at 15:57:32
Ian, Each to their own. I would love to see attacking front foot football being played but it's just not going to happen with this manager or players.

Especially in this situation. Selling our best players, no money to buy, not recruiting well, unsettled ownership and points deductions are unprecedented times for us and the club.

Dyche is being paid a fortune to keep us up. He is almost there, a couple more wins should be enough.

Do you think we can attack our way out of trouble? A team that can't score and hasn't scored many for 3 seasons can all of a sudden turn into Liverpool.

The 3 attacking players you mention for the shite cost a fair bit more than our strikers. It's a pretty unfair comparison.

All season our attackers have missed lots and lots of chances. This puts more pressure on the defence.

Chelsea are mid table and thrashed us helped by our gung ho approach. I hope Dyche has learned a lesson and gets back to basics.

Dour it may well be but with 35 points banked I don't see any other way of playing.

If we are safe by the time we play arsenal we could play 433 and see if they can beat the 6 Chelsea put past us the other night.

Ian Edwards
318 Posted 17/04/2024 at 18:02:04
Rob 317.. I would say by and large the chances have been missed by midfield players.DCL and Beto have missed the odd chance but they get little or no service.
Tony Abrahams
319 Posted 17/04/2024 at 18:08:12
Interesting little debate developing, especially the bit about how Klopp, Guardiola, and a couple of others would have us playing better.

You could put up an argument that Ancelloti, is as good as any of the managers Andrew mentioned, but even Carlo, got his best results by playing very negatively whilst he was in charge of Everton.

I have just read what Michael Ball, has written in the echo, and I think he calls it right with his assessment of Sean Dyche, and just hope we see a different approach on Sunday afternoon.

Raymond Fox
323 Posted 17/04/2024 at 18:31:36
We have 3 games against clubs that are propping the table up and also 1 against Brentford who have just won a game after having a long losing run.

Ok, the other 2 are very difficult games granted but the reds will have to fight to get anything out of us at Goodison.

If we were in better form you would have to fancy us to stay up.
We are really struggling on all fronts though especially scoring goals, if you don't score you don't win anything.

Its difficult to muster much confidence because of that fact.

Brian Harrison
324 Posted 17/04/2024 at 18:58:15
Tony 319

I read Michael Balls piece in the Echo and agree with a lot of what he says, he rightly questions about how can you go away to Portugal for a break and come back worse than you went. He also questions was there more to the Patterson incident which Dyche tried to make a joke of. I know its always trotted out about a manager losing the dressing room when things are going badly, but since the Portugal trip it doesnt look like there was much team bonding taking place. Michael Ball also said Dyches comments after the game virtually threw the players under the bus, he reckons that wouldn't have gone down well with the players.

Michael Ball also questions Dyche on his selections and tactics, quite rightly saying if you select practically the same starting 11 after a poor run of results what makes you think it will improve matters.

Dyche should have made changes weeks ago when Dobbin and Danjuma were fit. The lack of pace in our front 3 is the most worrying and I think we have got the slowest front 3 of all the clubs in the Premiership with possibly the exception of Sheffield.

Mike Doyle
325 Posted 17/04/2024 at 19:25:25
Tony 319] this debate reminds me of how the late Jack Charlton was criticised for way Liam Brady was used / not used when he was Ireland manager - Jack’s argument being that he had to fashion a side/game plan that worked for the group of players he had, but if he’d had 11 Liam Brady’s at his disposal he would have played in a different way.
Carlo’s Real Madrid certainly play a different way to the way Carlo’s Everton did (though he still finds a place for the aging Luca Modric)
Paul Ferry
326 Posted 17/04/2024 at 19:26:57
It would cost £150,000 to give each one of the 3,000 £50 “compensation” for their dedication, loyalty, commitment, trouble, time, and embarrassment.

McNeil, Onana, and Harrison could cover that in their weekly not monthly wage.

There’s a picture I treasure of Ray Wilson in the garden of his perfectly ordinary home getting a lawn mower started with his wife and kids looking on, smiling. I remember Derek Temple less than ten years after the final turning up on my mate’s door in Thornton trying to sell double glazing.

There never are golden ages: that’s just romantic hindsight made more pungent in bad times. Never because there is always something or someone going on to the contrary.

Ray Wilson and Derek Temple would have felt for the 3,000 and identified with them. Rob Halligan told me that only two Everton players went to the fans after the final whistle on Monday: Mylolenko was one, I’ve forgotten who the other one was.

Pick any three players who disgraced us on Monday night – Gomes excepting – and they could more or less club together to get that £150,000. The three golf balls on the sidelines could cough up the £150,000, not least because they shoulder most of the blame.

It’s often invidious to pick one of them out because the toughest competition at our club right now is to be the shittiest player or coach. Sorry, but Onana represents to me all that is wrong at the moment: he doesn’t seem to care or to put in the required effort and energy, he was all smiles on the touchline in one shot in the second half, he’s paid a salary way in excess of his ability, and did we see him doing his usual dance in front of the fans after the final whistle?

Dyche said in his post-match presser that they would pay back the fans. He wasn’t talking money, he meant on the pitch. We need a different story, he said. We move on.

I don’t think that any of the Stamford Bridge 3,000 should be holding their breath.

What have we become?

Christy Ring
327 Posted 17/04/2024 at 20:34:23
Michael Ball made some great points about Dyche, he keeps playing the same formation and tactics, even though it's not working, 1 win in 15, his total stubbornness, picking his favourites, like last season he kept picking Keane, who was having a difficult time, when everyone was crying out for Mina, it took far too long for that to happen and he eventually played him, and it's the same now. He also questioned Pickford shouting and roaring at his defenders, instead of concentrating on his own game.
I hope Branthwaite is fit for Sunday, would be a massive loss, if not why play Keane, who's played no football, he's played Godfrey at fullback for 4/5 games, so he's match fit. I'd play 433 with Gueye, Garner and Gomes, with Danjuma, Calvert-Lewin and McNeill the front three.
I just read where Schneiderlin, one of many of "Koeman's lottery winners", cost us £48m between wages and transfer fee's, sold for £2m, the main reason why we're where we are with PSR breach.
Anthony Jones
328 Posted 17/04/2024 at 21:06:13
The squad is not that good.
Dyche plays the strongest team in most games from what I have seen.
He has very little appetite for substitutions, which is frustrating, but his formation suits the limited squad.
If Everton go down it is because our recruitment hasn't been good enough.
Beto was a gamble that hasn't paid off, and letting Simms go whilst bringing in Chermiti, who is worse than Moise Kean, could be the nail in the coffin.

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