Season › 2024-25 › News Textor granted exclusivity to pursue Everton takeover bid Lyndon Lloyd and Michael Kenrick 15/08/2024 127comments | Jump to last American billionaire John Textor has reportedly entered into a period of exclusivity with Farhad Moshiri as he bids to complete a takeover of Everton FC. According to David Ornstein of The Athletic, Textor has signed an agreement with both the Club and its Anglo-Iranian owner, although a spokesman for Moshiri declined to comment when contacted by the publication which is now owned by The New York Times. Alan Myers of Sky Sports News says that according to his sources, the two parties have a "working dialogue" but that talks are at the "formative stage". Any deal hinges, however, on Textor and his Eagle Football selling their 45% stake in Crystal Palace, both in time to complete a buyout of Everton and for the price he is seeking. Premier League rules prohibit any one investor to own more than 9.9% of another club. Article continues below video content But the period of exclusivity allows him to follow up on the bid he resurrected, and delve a little further into the Everton data room, which is where The Friedkin Group's takeover bid came undone last month. Dan Friedkin and his Texas-based firm pulled out of a bid to buy the Blues citing serious concerns over the roughly £200m the Club owes to another former bidder, 777 Partners, who are embroiled in a civil case in a New York Superior Court charged with fraud by London-based Leadenhall Capital Partners. The resolution of that case and the clearing of that debt is seen by observers as a significant hurdle that any takeover candidate would need to see cleared before they could comfortably proceed with a takeover of Everton, through Textor has remained keen despite seeing all three of 777, TFG and MSP Sports Capital all fail to follow through for varying reasons. Reports that Friedkin could still be interested in taking a minority 30% stake, perhaps in concert with Textor, have been played down. In an interview last weekend, Textor was quoted as saying: “I am still an owner in Palace – I would have to clear out of that before I could buy anything else. We have made clear our interest in having a majority interest in a UK club, whether it is Championship or Premier League. "Yes, we are looking at Everton along with everybody else. I would have to rationalise my interest in Palace before I could close anything. “I am an Anglophile when it comes to football. When I see these legendary teams come along, some in the Premier League, some in the Championship, clubs that I grew up with, they have an appeal. They also have an appeal to our business model because if I follow these great teams, then so do athletes around the world." Reader Comments (127) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer () Soren Moyer 3 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:09:42 What a sham! Brian Cleveland 4 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:14:16 I'm starting to feel left out. I think I'm the only person who hasn't had a look at our books. Paul Hewitt 5 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:17:10 Load of rubbish. He's not sold his Palace shares yet. File under, not going to happen. Brian Wilkinson 6 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:17:50 Textor has to sell his shares in Palace: step in, Dan Friedkin, buy Textor's shares, you get back your money you lent to Everton.Then, when you sell the Palace shares, come back to Everton later down the line to put your 30% offer in. Textor will get the control, and you will get your 30% at a later date. Jimmy Salt 7 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:18:01 Here we go, strap yourselves in. Justin Doone 8 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:20:23 Can this be right? My concern is to do with opening up our financial secrets to the owner of a direct Premier League rival.Given our current problems on and off the pitch, that is a very real concern with what could be done with such information.I would rather he be forced to sell his Palace shares before giving him the Everton key to snoop around at anything he likes. No surprises to hear him speak in wide, general terms of English football and big 'money generating' potential of clubs.It's business, not passion. Everton have far more potential than Palace except for the pull of London. Dennis Stevens 9 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:20:54 Slowest sale of a football club ever!Will a takeover be completed before we next win some silverware? Scott Hamilton 10 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:21:32 Fuck me, its like Groundhog Day! Paul Hewitt 11 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:28:22 The thing that worries me is what if Textor walks away as well. That would probably mean we're unlikely to be sold until the 777 case is sorted. And that could take years… Steve Byles 12 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:28:51 He can sell his Palace shares to Moshiri to get the deal done. Simple as that really. Jonathan Oppenheimer 13 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:29:01 This is beyond farcical, when we're granting exclusivity to someone who can't even purchase the club yet. On the one hand, it may show how much Textor wants to make this happen, but at the same time reveals how much all other potential buyers may be staying far far away. Make it stop. Ian Pilkington 14 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:34:02 Further proof, not that it is required after the 777 fiasco, that Moshiri is clearly bonkers. Allen Rodgers 15 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:34:51 From Steve Parish: ''We do collaborate with his clubs where we can. He (Textor) wants to go and do something else, we're helping him do that.'' Sounds quite hopeful to me. I know – it's the hope that kills ye. Brian Williams 16 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:37:22 Don't worry, everything will be alright in the end.If it's not alright, it's not the end. Alan Corken 17 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:37:54 Textor has been the most enthusiastic potential bidder as well as the most complimentary about the history and stature of EFC. If this goes through,h it will be the best possible result for the club.As for his Palace shares. Textor has already rejected an offer from fellow shareholders to buy him out and, whilst I am only guessing, for Moshiri to enter a period of exclusivity makes me suspect they or someone else have/has come back with an increased bid.. Time will tell. Michael Kenrick 18 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:40:58 Paul, I've got a feeling that he doesn't actually need to sell those Crystal Palace shares until he actually buys Moshiri's Everton shares. Given the timescales involved, the takeover bid probably wouldn't be submitted to the Premier League for them to conduct their Owners' and Directors' Test until after John Textor's team has satisfied themselves that the problems The Friedkin Group encountered would be surmountable (even though Paul Quinn has told us they are insurmountable). And I don't think I've seen this stated in any of the Textor tales but the Premier League rules would allow him to retain less than 10% of Crystal Palace shares, as this would not constitute a 'Significant Interest' in another club. Paul Hewitt 19 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:45:40 The fact he currently owns part of a Premier League club means the checks needed won't take that long. Kevin Molloy 20 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:50:51 A period of exclusivity? How exciting! Brian Wilkinson 21 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:50:52 Steve @12, Yes simple at that, I wish you had posted earlier, save me going round the houses over-thinking on my post. :-) Michael Kenrick 22 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:51:02 Yea, that's a good point, Paul. If the bid holds up and is submitted, it should go through the Premier League, FCA and FA more quickly. Although the Premier League have added an extra independent review that will also add time to the process. John Wilson 23 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:55:15 Friedkin would have broadly equivalent two clubs, with Roma at the forefront, "flagship club" is what was said at the time. Textor may not be the billionaire the majority of our fans want, but let's face it, it's not 777 Partners – a great plus! Textor I think will be joining Everton with the Eagle consortium. He said he wants to put Everton where they belong. Friedkin said, we're unresolvable, according to Paul - The Esk. Clearly not, Paul, if Textor has entered into exclusivity. John Wilson 24 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:58:29 Like I said, Textor can buy Everton through trust or, like Baz from Toffee TV stated today, 'an escrow.' Paul Hewitt 25 Posted 15/08/2024 at 15:58:57 Rumours Textor is willing to put his Crystal Palace shares into a holding company, then walk away. He's said to be desperate for this deal to go through. Jerome Shields 26 Posted 15/08/2024 at 16:07:13 Textor will have to do a deal with the existing borrowers, not only Moshiri. Stephen Davies 27 Posted 15/08/2024 at 16:08:37 Steve @12, And where do you think Moshiri would get those hundreds of £millions to buy Textors shares? Michael Kenrick 28 Posted 15/08/2024 at 16:12:21 “Neither a borrower nor a lender be, For loan oft loses both itself and friend, And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.”There must be some subtle difference but I just can't quite place it. Peter Hodgson 29 Posted 15/08/2024 at 16:20:32 Why do I think that Moshiri is kicking the can down the road… again!!! Joe McMahon 30 Posted 15/08/2024 at 16:26:24 So glad Bills decade long 24/7 seach found Moshiri. What an absolute shambles. John Raftery 31 Posted 15/08/2024 at 16:27:39 Shake me, wake me when its over. Paul Hewitt 32 Posted 15/08/2024 at 16:31:33 This might bring Friedkin back to the table. Peter Gorman 33 Posted 15/08/2024 at 16:33:27 Well, he's been enthusiastic about the club's potential from day one following 777's collapse.Let's see how he feels after a good peruse of the accounts. Tony Abrahams 34 Posted 15/08/2024 at 16:45:34 It might only be a rumour, but I've been getting told that, whenever he used to have any problems with Palace, he used to ring Bill! Craig Walker 35 Posted 15/08/2024 at 16:52:10 Tony. He used to text Bill rather than ring him. Textor by name... Brian Williams 36 Posted 15/08/2024 at 16:54:42 Paul Hewitt.Paul, is your post (#5) just your usual automatic negative reaction before you think about it because your posts at 11,19, 25 and 32 are somewhat antithetical to it? Mark Ryan 37 Posted 15/08/2024 at 16:55:12 Surely in about 6 weeks time he'll walk away citing "difficulties due to the ongoing 777 investigation" and so Moshiri repeats ad infinitum. I cannot see Textor overcoming those issues any time soon. David West 38 Posted 15/08/2024 at 17:00:25 I reckon I could get a "period of exclusivity" at this point. Are all these guys just looking at our books to get an idea of how you bring a historic institution to the brink of collapse? Or how not to run a Premier Leauge club? These accounts must be like a manual of how to waste £500M. Like a modern day Brewsters Millions. Ian Bennett 39 Posted 15/08/2024 at 17:03:42 He can buy Everton.It's been previously reported, he can either sell his Palace shares or put them in a blind trust until they can be sold. Saying he can't own both is wrong.It will be interesting when he gets to the 777 issue. This will clear if it's a real issue or a price chip point from Friedkin.Exclusivity seems like buses. Been MSP, 777 Partners, Friedkin and now Textor.I'd like Textor. He owns Lyon and the Brazilian club. The multi club thing is here to stay, and Everton being top of that is fine by me.Textor to sell Friedkin a 30% minority stake, and give us the fire power and business excellence to get to the top. Rob Halligan 40 Posted 15/08/2024 at 17:18:39 Come on now, Brian # 7…Don't confuse the poor lad!! Barry Rathbone 41 Posted 15/08/2024 at 17:24:02 I'm beginning to think Exclusivity means whoever rings up.Is there a Guinness Book of Records section for the highest number of exclusivity agreements?"Give us an 'E', Give us an 'X', Give us a 'C'" etc.I'm losing the will to live. Jay Harris 42 Posted 15/08/2024 at 17:28:52 I doubt Friedkin would be interested in a minority stake especially as the level of doubt and debt is so high. Brent Stephens 43 Posted 15/08/2024 at 17:35:21 Rob #41 - arse and elbow come to mind. Kunal Desai 44 Posted 15/08/2024 at 17:37:52 Waste of time, all this bullshit exclusivity nonsense. Mal van Schaick 45 Posted 15/08/2024 at 17:42:19 I would like to see Andy Bell and George Downing having some input as minority shareholders advising Textor. Rob Halligan 46 Posted 15/08/2024 at 17:49:30 Brent……😂😂😂😂 Paul Hewitt 47 Posted 15/08/2024 at 17:57:54 Brian @37. Yes. Paul Smith 48 Posted 15/08/2024 at 18:11:14 For fuck's sake… this is like Wacky Races now. Ed Prytherch 49 Posted 15/08/2024 at 18:12:39 Any genuine new interest in buying the club is positive IMO. EFC are £500 million in debt, it is rising daily, and Moshiri will not do anything about it. There has to be a new owner or owners to save the club and we cannot afford to be too choosy. Stephen Davies 50 Posted 15/08/2024 at 18:37:24 Ian #40,He can't purchase any Everton shares until he sells his shares in Palace.The Premier League Rules are quite clear in this. No person can be directly or indirectly involved in more than one club. Makes no difference if he puts those shares in a Trust. Kevin Edward 51 Posted 15/08/2024 at 18:44:35 Bring it on, the sooner this mess is cleaned up, the better.I don't recall Palace fans up in arms about him, so he and his chums must have some idea of how to run a club and a business.I'm not getting ‘out of the pan and into the fire' vibes. More "Let's be friendly and have a cup of tea while we talk about how to dispense with 777 Partners". No doubt Moshiri will forget the custard creams. Derek Knox 52 Posted 15/08/2024 at 18:48:42 Tony @ 34, Uma Thurman had the right idea, what to do with that prick ! :-) Kevin Molloy 53 Posted 15/08/2024 at 19:04:24 He's from the Du Pont family. Makes Farhad look like Mary Poppins. John Wilson 54 Posted 15/08/2024 at 19:09:16 Everton is not drowning in debt. It's just loans, creating negative equity currently, to pay for the stadium. Everton as an entity will be worth circa £2 billion in 2 years time. Simon Jordan and Peterboro CEO, that Daragh fella respectively said something broadly similar. So who on here has an Economics Masters degree or Masters in Business Administration or is a forensic account? Thought not, so let's assume the experts know. John Wilson 55 Posted 15/08/2024 at 19:29:12 Alan Myers today on X: "Crystal Palace part owner John Textor has a working dialogue with Everton owner Farhad Moshiri with a view to agreeing a deal to purchase his 94.1% stake in the club." John Wilson 56 Posted 15/08/2024 at 19:37:34 Alan Myers at X part 2 on Textor's apparent exclusivity: "The two men will explore the possibility of a deal, which would include Textor relinquishing his interest in Palace, sources close to the discussions say they are in a formative stage."Myers then defines Premier League rules for club with owners with more than one interest. Julian Wait 57 Posted 15/08/2024 at 19:38:10 Quite the resume, and he's done a lot, perhaps facilitated by the Du Pont legacy, but certainly he seems very successful in multiple ways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_TextorI'd be okay with this, but time will tell. We've seen this movie before. John Wilson 58 Posted 15/08/2024 at 19:44:13 Alan Myers... "PL rules on Dual Interests I.4. No Person may either directly or indirectly be involved in or have any power to determine or influence the management or administration of more than one Club. I.5. No Person may either directly or indirectly hold or acquire any Significant Interest in a Club while such Person either directly or indirectly holds any Holding in another Club." John Wilson 60 Posted 15/08/2024 at 19:52:35 On I.4, the main terms: "No person... influence the management or administration of more than one Club." A company and or trust and or trustee, is not a person, as company, trust and trustee are respectively a legal entity, entity, title and entity.On, I.5, the main terms: "No person... Significant Interest in a Club" Either not a person as above and or on the facts, Textor did not have a significant interest as he did nor have any controlling power. Any of the decisions and or directions of travel for the club, Crystal Palace, were subject to Parish et al having overriding decision-making powers. What does Significant Interest here mean? That is the question, as also Myers raised. Dale Self 61 Posted 15/08/2024 at 20:02:30 John, is the 10% threshold mentioned by Michael how influence is determined?And I would like for TW to grant exclusivity to one poster, maybe Paul Hewitt, for all negative commentary about the club's position. Perhaps the poster who has used the phrase "joke of a club" most frequently should be nominated. John Wilson 62 Posted 15/08/2024 at 20:09:50 Dale, it doesn't say anything concerning 10%. So I don't know where the 10% comes from to be applied from those rules. Yep I agree. We need positive fans. Andy Riley 64 Posted 15/08/2024 at 20:15:52 I recall that Peter Johnson managed to get round the dual ownership of Everton and Tranmere some way – didn't he gift his shareholding in Tranmere to his wife or something similar? I'm sure Mr Textor could do likewise if he really wanted to. Rob Halligan 65 Posted 15/08/2024 at 20:18:34 😂😂😂😂 Rob Halligan 66 Posted 15/08/2024 at 20:19:57 Andy, thats not directed towards you by the way! Stephen Davies 67 Posted 15/08/2024 at 20:20:13 Andy... you're saying Gift his shares in Palace to someone else.So he doesn't need the liquidity in those shares to raise enough Capital to buy Everton? Just give them away for nothing? Andy Riley 68 Posted 15/08/2024 at 20:26:36 Not sure if he needs the money from his Palace shares to buy Everton – that's not been mentioned. It seemed more about not being allowed a shareholding in two clubs and Peter Johnson found a way around that? Raymond Fox 69 Posted 15/08/2024 at 20:26:54 Andy @ 65 he might have a dodgy wife.It boils down to Moshiri not being snowed under with other bids. John Wilson 70 Posted 15/08/2024 at 20:28:10 Caveat: My English language is not the best, I know.But: 'No person' reads as not exactly great English language. No means a negative response to a question, opposite to yes..it's like saying 'yes person' when looked at an opposite view. 'Not any person shall or 'Any person shall not'...Seems to read better. Steve Byles 71 Posted 15/08/2024 at 20:30:53 Stephen @27, they would share swap. Habib Erkan Jr 73 Posted 15/08/2024 at 20:43:47 Moshiri licked his lips and proclaims “Look, boys, we have a live one!”🤣 Next, the bridge loan, and then the brush off. Michael Kenrick 74 Posted 15/08/2024 at 20:47:28 It seems we are in need of some basic definitions:A.1.187. “Person” includes any natural person, legal entity, firm or unincorporated association and in the case of a Person which is incorporated any of its Associated Undertaking, Fellow Subsidiary Undertaking, Group Undertaking, Parent Undertaking or Subsidiary Undertaking;A.1.235. “Significant Interest” means the holding and/or possession of the legal or beneficial interest in, and/or the ability to exercise the voting rights applicable to, Shares in the Club which confer in aggregate on the holder(s) thereof 10% or more of the total voting rights exercisable in respect of any class of Shares of the Club. All or part of any such interest may be held directly or indirectly or by contract including, but not limited to, by way of membership of any Concert Party, and, for the purposes of determining whether an interest or interests amounts to a “Significant Interest”:(a) any rights or powers held by any Person shall be attributed to any Connected Person to that Person; and(b) any rights or powers held by an Associate or Nominee of any Person shall be attributed to that Person. Stephen Davies 75 Posted 15/08/2024 at 20:50:48 Steve #72Would that need any agreement with the other Owners of Palace? Dennis Stevens 76 Posted 15/08/2024 at 21:03:20 I can't see Moshiri accepting the Palace shares in part payment. For some reason, I can't help thinking he just wants out of football ownership now. Based on absolutely nothing, of course. Peter Gorman 77 Posted 15/08/2024 at 21:09:53 Andy Riley - I found this little egg about Johnson and Tranmere;LinkIn the article, dating back to 1998, it states the following;In a personal statement Mr Johnson says: "Before I acquired my interest in Everton and disposed of my interest in Tranmere Rovers to Mr Frank Corfe in the Summer of 1994, the Football League was consulted and gave its consent. Since the Summer of 1994 until last month I have had no involvement with, or influence over, Tranmere Rovers."The Premier League and the Football League are aware that I intend to dispose of my interest in Tranmere Rovers at the earliest opportunity. I remain totally committed to Everton FC. I have agreed that we should review the situation at the end of the year, if not sooner. I have a great love of football and will do my best to help Tranmere Rovers seek a satisfactory outcome to its problems. However, my priority is Everton."So... apparently where there is a will there is a way, though obviously the current issue is a bit different with Palace and Everton being in the same league.This article actually related to Johnson re-investing in Tranmere, to save the club, many years after he acquired Everton, and also apparently with the blessing of the Football League. Andy Riley 78 Posted 15/08/2024 at 21:25:59 I was only using the Peter Johnson history as an example of there being a way round the problem of supposedly owning two clubs simultaneously. If Mr Textor really wants to buy Everton, then I'm sure his minority shareholding in Palace is not an insurmountable problem. I can't see why either side would enter into an exclusivity arrangement if it was? John Pickles 79 Posted 15/08/2024 at 21:59:43 It's not 'Exclusive' when everybody's now seen them. Colin Glassar 80 Posted 15/08/2024 at 22:47:40 I like the guy and the way he talks. Steve Parrish speaks very highly of him and his stable of clubs is much better than the 777 mob.On another note, our old friend Martin Samuel is predicting our demise along with Man City, Chelsea and a few others. Not only another points deduction but banishment as well. Michael Lynch 81 Posted 15/08/2024 at 22:49:35 What's the get-around for the 777 problem then? Or will he do a Rachel Reeves and pretend to be shocked by something that everyone already knew about? "We had no idea there was a dispute between 777 and A-CAP over the £200m debt so we will unfortunately have to withdraw." Jerome Shields 82 Posted 15/08/2024 at 23:15:32 Moshiri cannot keep borrowing and is probably beyond the point he should be. The lenders will have more say in the outcome of any takeover.So Textor has been able to deal with the lenders. So I expect The Friedkin Group who took over the MSP position to come into the frame in any Textor takeover. But there is still the 777/A-CAP situation to deal with, which Textor must have some type of solution for. Then you have R&MF who scuppered the MSP plans.The only thing that is really happening is that Moshiri's options are getting more limited and a solution is needed even more than before. James Flynn 83 Posted 15/08/2024 at 00:06:18 Last season, we scored 40 and gave up 51. If we can flip those numbers, we'll be in the top 10 for sure, Europe in play.Don't think that's asking too much. Chris Keher 84 Posted 16/08/2024 at 00:30:02 Personally I'd be very happy with Textor. I get the impression that he's in it for the ride but also pretty savvy in this field. (Palace have done well throughout his period there.) He can still buy Everton even if he maintains his shares in Palace as long as his shares in Palace are passed to a neutral, 3rd party (an escrow).However, this would be bad for Palace as the 40 odd percent owner no longer having a say would obviously leave a huge power vacuum and a lot of uncertainty (we know all about that here). That would massively devalue his shares at Palace. I don't think he'd be looking into this unless he knew he could now sell his shares in Palace at a profit or he'd had a change of heart and was now willing to accept the low ball offer he's had because he could get us.I'll say again though – I like Textor. I like that he has a genuine love of football and that he recognises us as what we were and what we could be (not as what we are now). Mark Taylor 85 Posted 16/08/2024 at 00:32:11 Jerome @83,Unless he has a gun to his head to generate cash for AN Other (which I wouldn't entirely rule out), Moshiri has the very clear option to just string things along, as he has been doing for a couple of years now, selling players if he has bills to pay, or preferably getting the latest suitor to stump up cash.Maybe he has inside info that the war on Ukraine will end soon. Maybe he's betting on Trump winning (though Harris is not exactly committed to the war either).Either way, it is not good news for us. Welcome to limbo. Ed Prytherch 86 Posted 16/08/2024 at 00:41:18 John Wilson: companies report loans on their balance sheet as debt or liability. EFC's is currently £500M and growing. Thus, "negative equity" is a smoke screen. Chris Keher 87 Posted 16/08/2024 at 00:48:16 Also, anyone thinking Moshiri will trade for Textor's shares in Palace are living in cloud cuckoo land.Currently, Moshiri's shares in Everton are not really worth anything but Textor's shares in Palace are actually worth something. Bob Parrington 88 Posted 16/08/2024 at 01:16:42 Michael, If the 9.9% rule is correct, perhaps (in thought process) we turn the current "maintain 9.9% in Palace shares" on its head and think about, as part of the purchase of Everton, he buys 9.9% of Everton shares as a pathway to a full or major buy out of Moshiri's shares??? Just a thought! Charles Hanover 89 Posted 16/08/2024 at 02:04:31 Chris @85 ,I wholeheartedly agree. Textor has done well by his other clubs. I also believe that at this point he's entered into the exclusivity agreement knowing full well what the hurdles are. I believe this will work out to our benefit. Steve Brown 90 Posted 16/08/2024 at 02:23:10 I always think the nature of the bidders reflects the culture of the club they want to buy... Saudis buying Newcastle, probable bid by Kim Jong Un for Liverpool.American bidders and consortiums seem to see that there is value in buying Everton, provided they can persuade the owner and all existing lenders to take a severe haircut. I don't believe that the 777 Partners unsecured loan to Everton is an insurmountable obstacle. The judge John G Koeltl in the case of Leadenhall v 777/A-CAP Civil Suite has already stated that loan can be repaid.“If there is a transaction out there that can be justified, all you have to do is to bring the transaction to the light of day and argue that it's perfectly fine, that it is not part of an asset-stripping transaction, that the plaintiffs and the intervenors are not hurt by that, that it's not self-dealing on behalf of any of the individual parties,” said Koeltl.So, there is no reason why 777/A-CAP cannot agree to Everton's sale or enter into negotiations with a new Everton owner over full or — more likely — partial repayment of that debt. Basically, Friedkin wanted Moshiri and lthe enders 777/A-Cap to take a severe haircut on their sale price and loans respectively and didn't get his way.Textor will want to drive a hard bargain, and this might fall over again for the same reason. But, he seems genuinely enthusiastic to buy the club, sees the potential, and we will never reach financial stability until we have a new owner. Alan J Thompson 91 Posted 16/08/2024 at 03:13:28 I've seen two references on here to Mr Textor's "other" clubs and he is quoted on BBC that he has no interest in taking on the direct running of "Palace or any other clubs". Does he have interests in any other clubs and if so who are they and how many are there? Jerome Shields 92 Posted 16/08/2024 at 05:26:36 Mark #8A6Limbo is about right. Given what has happened previously in this takeover saga, again like no other, it is hard to see how Textor has a different angle. He has to have talked to lenders and be aware of the New York court case. He has been in our faces regarding his ambitions, with the caveat of having to sell his shares in his present club.Moshiri who has never made a good decision in his tenure (Dyche being his only option), has maintained his arm's length approach to running the club, funded by loans. I actually expect greater losses in the 2023-24 financial year. It really has gone beyond selling players. Trading in players hadn't been great. Though Dyche and Thelwell have done a remarkable job, just getting on with their jobs.Moshiri comes across as a frontman for a drifting type of business involvement that should come to a end but keeps going and is prepared to do that. You would have thought he would have had an answer for The Friedkin Group questions. Is it worth Textor asking questions about those concerns? Is he the there to get on the inside track hoping for the fallout? He must have showed a willingness to provide finance or solution for dealing with existing lenders to have got exclusivity?Moshiri is not predictable. He owns 94.1% either directly and maybe indirectly of Everton Shares, with questionable influence. That is all that can be said. Pat Kelly 93 Posted 16/08/2024 at 08:58:49 Franz Kafka is reportedly preparing a bid. Paul Hewitt 94 Posted 16/08/2024 at 09:35:27 Pat. If it's the Franz Kafka I just Googled, then he died in 1924. So I can't see him buying Everton. Martin Farrington 95 Posted 16/08/2024 at 09:41:18 Straight from the Billy Smart Kenwright book entitled:- "Concise and Confusing: How to Fool the Prolls into Believing that You Are Selling Everton"Moshiri is following in the dead one's footsteps.Textor just wants to stick his nose into our shambolic affairs so that he can recite horror stories to fellow asset strippers at the plush events his money allows him into.Plus he has not upped or renegotiated a bid for Moshiri's shares as they are still miles apart on valuation there. It is the financial fiasco re the stadium deal and the club accounts he is perusing.Why no one will buy Everton = The pending USA court case vs 777 Partners.It's an equation as learned as e = mc²Everton = Moshiri Calamities (to the power 2) Kevin Molloy 96 Posted 16/08/2024 at 09:41:18 Did he though, Paul? Pat Kelly 97 Posted 16/08/2024 at 09:42:26 Paul, don't be silly. That was his grandfather. Mark Murphy 98 Posted 16/08/2024 at 09:43:46 LOL Kevin! Steve Cotton 99 Posted 16/08/2024 at 09:45:31 Moshiri probably wants someone to pump the usual £20M a month into the club instead of him. Textor may be the next in line to be £200M in the hole...Moshiri maybe has a plan in all this madness. Tony Abrahams 100 Posted 16/08/2024 at 10:12:41 Posts 90 & 95 give totally opposite views on the repayment of the loans to 777/A-CAP.I tend to believe that Steve @90 is closer to the truth, but I think that with so much shite written on so many different pages across the internet, it's very hard to determine what is the truth nowadays.I'm at a loss to think why a loan that is owed cannot just be put into a separate account and simply be repaid when the outcome of who the money belongs to is resolved. Personally, I think that the only thing that is going to create problems is if whoever acquires Everton has got no intention of repaying that loan in full.It reminds me of when the great Arther Daley decided to go straight and legal but by, the end of the episode, he couldn't wait to get back into the so-called villain world, because he had never met so many bent people in his life. Martin Farrington 101 Posted 16/08/2024 at 11:09:04 Tony @100,I tried to make it simple without getting into a huge debate re types of loans or bonds or rights issues and PIKS. Offshore accounts and banks, insurances, assurances etc — It fries your brain. The issue isn't the loan to Everton per se.The issue is that 777 Partners used the same collateral numerous times to obtain loans from different creditors. Simply put, it is illegal to do that. They themselves then loaned some of that money obtained, to Everton. The interest rate agreed for repayment being ridiculously high.The court case in USA is a problem for potential owners. (Not the debt Everton have.) Say any one of the loanees (anywhere along the line) defaults, who gets first bite at the collateral? Does the newly diminished collateral cover the moneys outstanding post-liquidity? Does it make the collateral used for loans elsewhere now invalid? Does that collateral still even exist?Basically, those will be some of the questions requiring to be addressed by the judge. IMO, he is trying to get them all to settle out of court because, if he has to decide, he may be looking at setting legal precedent by allowing the loan to run as is.The crux is, because of the high interest repayments involved in that world, no one is willing to agree to lower their repayment amounts (ie, take a haircut).The actual comment from the judge is just that. A comment. As far as it goes, it is not a judgement.The Judge, in June, set dates for certain targets to be met.One has passed, one is just about happening on 23 August when the Plaintiff must submit any amendments. And then there are two in the future regarding dates for the defendants to submit motions to dismiss. 23 September or, if there are amendments, 11 October.I ask myself: Who in their right mind would buy Everton before the court case is settled? They open themselves potentially to a whole slurry of financial nastiness. Paul Hewitt 102 Posted 16/08/2024 at 11:47:58 Martin @101. So, in your opinion, do you think that no takeover will happen, until this 777 fiasco is sorted? Steve Brown 103 Posted 16/08/2024 at 12:22:34 Martin, it wasn't simply a “comment” from the judge. The judge made clear that the injunction is not meant to stop 777/A-CAP from running their businesses.John Textor has considered this and decided he sees a basis to proceed. It is simply a risk assessment he has made on the basis of the evidence he has – including the civil suit by Leadenhall and the unsecured loan from 777 Partners to Everton. These decisions are made by businesses all the time during any merger or acquisition.The basis of The Friedkin Group's proposed approach was to leverage the lenders to take a haircut on their loans, as you say, or Moshiri to lower his sale price. When they didn't succeed, they walked away.Let's not try to over-dramatise what is simply a commercial decision. It depends on how much the bidder wants the deal and what price he/she is willing pay. Textor could buy the club and leave the 777 loan in place until the civil suit by Leadenhall is concluded. He might well decide to do that as it is unsecured. Everton are not even paying interest on the loans from 777 Partners at this point. Trevor Powell 104 Posted 16/08/2024 at 12:32:45 Simple question from the memory of a fading old fart:Who were the idiots who thought that Moshiri was clever enough to be an accountant for a model railway club, never mind our football club?FYI, I was a treasurer at a model railway club with total bank funds of less than £2,000! John Wilson 105 Posted 16/08/2024 at 13:35:53 Michael Kendrick at 74: Defence, restraint of trade and or ultra vires and or statutory interpretation rules, Person is a human being. Premier League rules are not law but can be challenged in the tribunal and then Appeal to the High Court, as appeal court, am hazarding a guess. " It seems we are in need of some basic definitions:A.1.187. “Person” includes any natural person, legal entity, firm or unincorporated association and in the case of a Person which is incorporated any of its Associated Undertaking, Fellow Subsidiary Undertaking, Group Undertaking, Parent Undertaking or Subsidiary Undertaking;A.1.235. “Significant Interest” means the holding and/or possession of the legal or beneficial interest in, and/or the ability to exercise the voting rights applicable to, Shares in the Club which confer in aggregate on the holder(s) thereof 10% or more of the total voting rights exercisable in respect of any class of Shares of the Club. All or part of any such interest may be held directly or indirectly or by contract including, but not limited to, by way of membership of any Concert Party, and, for the purposes of determining whether an interest or interests amounts to a “Significant Interest”:(a) any rights or powers held by any Person shall be attributed to any Connected Person to that Person; and(b) any rights or powers held by an Associate or Nominee of any Person shall be attributed to that Person." Brian Wilkinson 106 Posted 16/08/2024 at 13:49:46 I passed my PhD today and, as of now, I have the highest level of degree.It took years of research and study, often missing out on a social life, my apologies for having to miss some of the meet ups at the Harlech but, all being well, I will be at the Harlech with the drinks on me.Looking forward to seeing you all this Saturday and fingers crossed for an Everton win, hopefully we might get to see Roman Dixon at right back, Tim Iroegbunam in midfield, and Ndiaye playing a Number 10 role.All the above is of course Fantasy Island and fairytale make believe.More chance the above happening than Moshiri being a qualified accountant. I can only assume Moshiri got one of those you can buy at the seaside with your name printed on for a degree.No other explanation how a qualified accountant could get it so wrong, or was the invasion in Ukraine – the one where the real owner, who had plans for naming rights, use of his steel for new stadium, and pumping money into the club – was found out with assets frozen? Since then, Moshiri's money into the club has been nonexistent. John Wilson 107 Posted 16/08/2024 at 13:51:41 A person is defined as human being in ordinary everyday word. "No person"...refers to living, breathing person on an everyday understanding. Personality is a construct, trait, characteristic of a person, or guise, such as legal personality. A person thus cannot be a legal entity, as person is represented by agency by way of legally recognised as for instance, legal personality: lawyer, and or person can have a personality that is not of itself a person, such as legal personality, where person is registrable as a Ltd company. A person is thus a human being, on everyday ordinary use, and legal personality is agency for a statutory authority, on everyday ordinary use. John Wilson 108 Posted 16/08/2024 at 14:00:11 Dr Brian Wilkinson at 106, congratulations. Amazing achievement. Using your 3 years of research, can you critique this representation: "More chance the above happening than Moshiri being a qualified accountant, I can only assume Moshiri got one of those you can buy at a seaside with your name printed on for a degree.No other explanation how a qualified accountant could get it so wrong, or was the invasion in Ukraine, the one where the real owner, who had plans for naming rights, use of his steel for new stadium, and pumping money into the club was found out with assets frozen, since then, Moshiri money into the club nonexistent." Martin Farrington 111 Posted 16/08/2024 at 15:37:48 Paul @ 102,Yes, it is my opinion that the 777 loan is a major issue and I don't believe that any sale will occur until it is resolved.Others more qualified than I believe that too and it is the reason Freidkin walked away. But they may return once it is resolved. Steve @ 103,I may well have misunderstood then. The paragraph and context reads somewhat different to your further explanation.I agree with you that the injunction doesnt preclude the defendants from other business matters. Its not just a simple loan. If it were, then I agree, interested parties would not see it as an obstacle. Sadly, it isn't the case. Moshiri has wrapped the clubs financial commitments in a web which blurs the lines between legality and dubiousness. I don't think Textors interest is genuine. But hey, stranger things have happened. How we need some luck on this… Michael Kenrick 112 Posted 16/08/2024 at 15:48:41 John Wilson, The Premier League is a private club: Members Only. Others are welcome to pay to watch. The private club writes its own rules for its members to follow. And those rules include their own definitions of the terms used. Your definitions, sad to say, don't mean diddly squat to the private club or its members. Paul Tran 113 Posted 16/08/2024 at 16:40:53 It is entirely possible that Moshiri is a qualified accountant and bloody awful at running a large-scale business in an industry known for being 'different' in business terms. Looks to me like a situation where all sides are playing hardball, waiting for one party to crack.Hope someone cracks soon! Kevin Molloy 114 Posted 16/08/2024 at 16:54:44 I'm of the view the 777 move was never on the level. It was about extracting money from a business that was about to go bust, tying us over for this critical period. I don't think this was negligence from the club's standpoint, actually it was rather crafty (given we were up the creek). Mark Taylor 115 Posted 16/08/2024 at 17:10:38 Steve 103"Everton are not even paying interest on the loans from 777 Partners at this point."Is the correct? Do you have a link or evidence? And if we are not, then I assume we are still nevertheless accruing a liability.I appreciate that whether that loan ever gets re-paid in full is a very live issue right now. I'm on the side that thinks a transaction won't go through without some level of discount. But for the purpose of negotiation, I'd be very surprised if legally, it is now an interest-free loan because it would then be very much worth keeping pretty much indefinitely. Les Moorcroft 116 Posted 16/08/2024 at 17:46:01 I don't profess to know much about anything. But can some kind person explain how you get a $200M loan unsecured? Dennis Stevens 117 Posted 16/08/2024 at 18:38:47 Don't know, Les. But if you find out, I'll have one as well, please. Ian Bennett 118 Posted 16/08/2024 at 19:03:05 Les, there are no legal charges over Everton companies on the Companies House website that I could find.That doesn't mean that they don't have a legal charge over Moshiri's shares. But that doesn't need to be public.It has been said by those in the know, that interest doesn't accrue on the loans till next year. That's either come from informed sources or is bollocks. It seems a strange thing to claim, but would support the soft equity position they were looking to build, prior to an acquisition that probably benefited them more than Everton.There is no public document that states if the interest is being paid, is secured. The accounts should provide more information later in the year. John Chambers 119 Posted 16/08/2024 at 19:56:08 Can somebody explain, in simple terms, why the 777 loan is such an issue? I appreciate 777 Partners have, allegedly, obtained the funds illegally by offering the same collateral for several different funds. From an Everton point of view, though, assuming (a big thing I know!) we have dealt with 777 Partners in a proper manner, surely we are not liable to any prosecution or fallout, other than the need to re-pay the £200M? I appreciate that is a significant sum but, if these wealthy guys looking to buy the club could put that money into an escrow account whilst the legal process is going through, would that not ring-fence the issue?If there has been any collusion at Everton, surely then any follow up would be targeted at the individuals, not the institution, beyond the need to re-pay? Brendan McLaughlin 120 Posted 16/08/2024 at 20:21:27 Les #116,Perhaps by agreeing to pay an exorbitant interest rate. Les Moorcroft 121 Posted 16/08/2024 at 20:26:34 Ian @118.Thank you. I just wish we could go back to Football. And get the pink Echo at 4:45. Then sit and have a pint doing the quiz. I am off for a nap. My head hurts. Sur Jo 122 Posted 16/08/2024 at 20:44:00 Let's be clear: there don't appear to be any legal issues. If there were, given the nature of things, someone would surely have been prosecuted or behind bars by now. So, let's put an end to this talk of legal problems. The fact is simple: the 777 Partners loan was provided using someone else's money (A-CAP), and they were misled. That's it. Everton is not involved in this; Everton did not deceive A-CAP.In my opinion, Friedkin did not want to pay the £200 million to either 777 Partners or A-CAP, and that's the crux of it. Presumably, they hoped Moshiri would take over the loan, but I doubt he's that naive.And yes, since the Russian sanctions, money has dried up, and Moshiri is now looking for someone else to take over the club and continue funding the deficit.Unless a buyer is willing to commit £600M to £700M for the club, they're wasting their time circling like vultures. I hope Textor is serious. He'll be getting a stadium valued at £500M, a squad worth £200M, and other assets. He'll need to pay £700M, with £200M of that placed in escrow to pay A-Cap when the court issues its ruling. Les Moorcroft 123 Posted 16/08/2024 at 20:54:47 Sur Jo. Thanks for making it easy for a simpleton like me to understand. One last question: Why did he provide the £200M loan then pull out? Martin Farrington 124 Posted 16/08/2024 at 21:17:39 John @ 119,777 Partners have used the same collateral to obtain a number of loans from different "lenders" which is illegal.What they have done with Everton is borrow £200M by illegally securing the loan on said collateral. They are paying interest on the loan repayments to that lender.They loaned Everton that £200M for the stadium. Everton are paying massive interest back to 777 Partners who are making a healthy profit from the difference in the loan repayments, after Everton make their repayment to 777 Partners, then 777 Partners to A-CAP (the lenders).The Lender to 777 Partners and 777 (lenders to Everton) are all content with the deal because they are both making big money.Everton have (in theory) done nothing wrong. They asked 777 Partners to lend them £200M and 777 Partners obliged.If there is a conspiracy and document trail implicating Everton, it has not surfaced, if it exists.The issue arises because, if 777 Partners default and fail to pay any particular one of their creditors, who then seize the collateral as recompense, all other loans become vulnerable to loss. If 777 Partners fail on one, they might as well fail on all because their asset (the collateral) is gone. All other creditors will be left potless because there is no longer collateral in place.If Everton repay 777 Partners, 777 Partners in theory owe that money to the other lender and so they would default on the 'Everton loan'.What avenue the 'Everton loan lender' could go down to get any money back becomes as murky as an Arteta transfer.I hope that helps. Billy Bradshaw 125 Posted 16/08/2024 at 21:21:49 Sur @ 122, good post nice and easy to understand.Let's hope it turns out as you say. Sur Jo 126 Posted 16/08/2024 at 21:48:15 Les @123.They want to buy Bramley-Moore Dock for £200M. It's a calculated bet in case the club fails and goes bankrupt. If that happens, they will own the stadium. If not, they will collect their interest and get their £200M back. Essentially, they were trying to replace the previous creditor. Once they achieved that position, they pulled out. Les Moorcroft 127 Posted 16/08/2024 at 21:56:26 Thanks, Sur.So they have had the kecks off us. The plot thickens. Jerome Shields 128 Posted 17/08/2024 at 11:33:24 Sur#126The problem is that Textors existing football holdings are already ultimately financed by borrowing.His holding in Crystal Palace via Eagle is financed from borrowings and is security for his borrowings for his Italian Club investment. At best Moshiri is hoping for another loan from Textor or a refinancing of a existing loan. Nick Armitage 129 Posted 17/08/2024 at 23:25:07 Smoke and mirrors. Moshiri won't sell and end up owing money to Usmanov. Getting boring now. Jerome Shields 130 Posted 18/08/2024 at 22:03:41 Why would Everton grant Textor exclusivity? Textor admits he does not have the money, saying he needs to sell his Palace Shares, which are security for other loans.A very strange decision, but then Moshiri is an expert in strange decisions. Bob Parrington 131 Posted 19/08/2024 at 04:12:43 Jerome,Even if Textor had the money hidden beneath his floorboards, he would still have to sell his shares in Palace (or sell sufficient to reduce his shareholding to less than 10%) because of Premier League rules. Jerome Shields 132 Posted 19/08/2024 at 21:02:47 Bob #131.Just does not add up. Bob Parrington 133 Posted 20/08/2024 at 05:14:27 Hey Jerome - maybe I drew the wrong conclusion from your previous post. I felt you were inferring that it is the money alone that is stopping Textor, whereas your main point was the question of exclusivity. I should read these things more than once before responding.Still not sure about the exclusivity aspect. Maybe Textor would not proceed with checking the facts without a period of exclusivity. Maybe Moshiri just wants to kick the can a bit further down the road, buying time for some miraculous event that releases Russian capital. Jerome Shields 134 Posted 20/08/2024 at 11:23:11 Bob#123I think it is more likely that Moshiri is lining up yet another loan.Nothing has been done to addressing the financial issues of running the Club, which is causing Everton to be in breach of PSR.It is not going to fix itself, and Covid as a factor is demishing , so more loans will be needed.What has Moshiri done to indemnified against the New York Case fallout? The threadbare squad is now make do and mend. 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