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Sean Dyche has been outlining Everton's plan for testing out Dele Alli's match fitness in practice games that are played behind closed doors before they decide whether to offer him a new contract. 

“We honestly haven’t gone that far with him as a player, that’s for sure,” said Dyche. “The club have outlined ‘what ifs?’ but with the player I’ve just said, and I have maintained this, that the first thing is just to get back out there, running freely, playing, training and all that side of things. We will have to wait and see on that.

“He is close but not there yet. And don’t forget he’s hardly had any actual football – as in games – for a long time. There is a games programme still, as well. It’s not just a case of getting fit and running around with the first-team group, then he needs games, so therefore a games programme has got to come next. When you’ve been out that long you need a period of building up and getting to true fitness. That could take three or four games. It’s a bit like an extended pre-season, let’s say.

“I think he is respectful of the fact we have helped him where we could. And he knows the players, he knows the environment, he knows me and the staff, so I think it works hand in hand. He is ticking along nicely. Now it’s about building that programme up to the point where he’s playing and then building the games programme up and then a conversation will be had at some point.”

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Fred Charters
1 Posted 15/08/2024 at 16:53:24
I've just read that Dele Alli has suffered another “minor injury”.

Why the fuck is he still anywhere near our Club? Just bin him off back to Spurs if that is a possibility or just politely say that's it, goodbye.

Michael Kenrick
2 Posted 16/08/2024 at 08:13:59
Quite some tough love there, Fred.

Another way to look at it might be in terms of the investment Everton have made in the former player to this point — I say 'former'… he has not played for 18 months!!!

He has not played… but he has been paid… one helluva lot of mullah. And as this article says:

The club have been hugely supportive to the former Tottenham talent, not only through his injuries but over the personal problems, including an addiction to sleeping pills, that he disclosed last summer. He has also forged a good relationship with Dyche.

He may have something that would bring value to the team; he may not. The outlined plan seems to be a good way to find out one way or the other.

ps: Where did you see the "minor injury" reference? This article does not mention anything.

Liam Mogan
3 Posted 16/08/2024 at 08:42:21
For all that we have wasted huge amounts on some poor players, we've also had some serious bad luck with players we've signed.

Dele signed in the midst of what appears to have been his own personal hell, then couldn't get fit.

Gbamin broke down after 2 games and never got fit again (he even ruptured his Achilles playing foot tennis on his own — no idea!).

Bolasie lost 18 months to one of the most innocuous-looking but serious injuries ever and was never the same player.

Sigurdsson's career was effectively ended for non-footballing accusations.

Sods law. Perfect storm. Everton that. Whichever way you frame it, it's damn unlucky.

Jerome Shields
4 Posted 16/08/2024 at 08:43:53
I take it he is not getting paid at the moment and Everton are facilitating him getting back to fitness.

Contract issues are not Dyche's area.

Christopher Timmins
5 Posted 16/08/2024 at 09:21:01
Past costs are sunk and are irrelevant as regards future decision-making.

If something can be worked out going forward that is beneficial to both parties, I have no problem with that.

John Wilson
6 Posted 16/08/2024 at 10:13:17
On Dele, we have wasted millions and millions in wages on the wrong players, so, in my opinion he deserves a chance- and only because we have seen the miracles Dyche has done with Calvert-Lewin. Any other manager, I'd say no.

What Dyche has done with Calvert-Lewin is not just revive but has saved his career. A player like Dele, for where we are right now, we could and would not ever attract a player like him.

This is not just romanticism here. There is a player in there. We've seen Dele's talent at Basiktas, not just against Crystal Palace. He is close, as Dyche said, and Dyche will certainly play him to get Dyche match fitness, if it is at all possible Dele is able to play.

Dyche concerning games, 4 games for match fitness behind closed doors, and if he passes that, he will have a contract, probably no more than a year so it will be a trial — as in a trial, a bit like a loan with option to buy, and as a loan, we would pay his wages for a year, say £30k a week wages.

Dele has not been given a penny since his contract with us ended. If he cannot reach the match fitness with behind closed doors, or the games programme set, no contract.

Or we have wasted millions on another player, if we don't give him a chance. I'd rather pay an able Dele to sit on the bench than many, many others who have before him and have offered nothing when they came on.

Alan J Thompson
7 Posted 16/08/2024 at 10:25:36
And what have Spurs had to say on the matter of him playing for Everton and do they indeed have any rights to ask Everton for any payment if he does?
Robert Tressell
8 Posted 16/08/2024 at 10:36:36
Sensible and realistic comments from Dyche.

Presumably we are no longer paying Dele Alli (since his contract has expired) and Dyche wants to have a look at whether he can get match fit. Nothing more to it.

John Wilson
9 Posted 16/08/2024 at 11:01:35
Watch Dele's Sky Sports, Dele as pundit, interview. Not on long, but listen to him. He is determined:

'I have a reminder every day - World Cup 2026' | Dele on title race with Spurs & his future goals

I know some stuff about psychology (as is part of my degree) and on a professional level, I am always reading and analysing psychologists' reports. You could say I get the opportunity to see how people think and what makes them tick.

Concerning psychology behind how a player thinks, for someone to play at the top level after being out, for then a year as he says, is massive. Don't discount or believe that the psychology behind Dele is trivial here. Sports psychology is also massive.

I believe Dele has the potential to turn his life and career around and he will play and be successful for Everton, why because in his head, he's already done it.

Mike Gaynes
10 Posted 16/08/2024 at 16:40:17
There is absolutely no rational reason to believe that Dele will make it back to full Premier League fitness, sign a trial contract and return to the pitch for Everton at some point.

Nonetheless that is exactly what I believe will happen.

Andy Crooks
11 Posted 16/08/2024 at 17:02:00
I believe it too, Mike. Also sound analysis from John Wilson. What's to lose from Dyche's approach?

In my view, the club have looked after the player properly. If there is a return, brilliant; if not, our club have still done the right thing.

On another point, Mike, what are you guys paying Pochettino?


Steve Shave
12 Posted 16/08/2024 at 17:17:08
Hi John @9 I hear that bud and yes visualisation plays a huge role in sports psychology, so its good that Dele has this mindset and it will give him the best chance possible to give it a real shot.

Ibrahimovic is a great example of that, yes he might be a massive cock but he also believed his own narrative and it helped him a great deal in his career.

However, Dele has been, possibly still is, traumatised from his childhood. I am a psychological trauma specialist and spend all day, everyday working with people to overcome their wounds from the past and have done for the past 12 years.

Dele's addiction issues were almost certainly only part of the problem, they would have served a function of numbing the pain of his trauma. So even if he is now "clean" which I suspect he is, he still has to overcome the Complex PTSD he likely has from his childhood. This is very doable but he needs the right specialist support, I hope he has been guided appropriately in this regard. This kind of work can take 6 months to 2years, depending on many factors.

I wrote on here about Dele several years ago in defence of his obvious mental health struggles affecting his playing career, you don't drop off a cliff like that (without a physical injury) without there being a mental health issue.

Footballers are allowed to have mental health problems just like we are, we are just not very forgiving of that generally and feel they should still be able to kick a ball.

If he can process his trauma as well as put his addiction issues behind him AND hold this visualisation of his future return to glory then who knows...maybe he can. I for one would fucking love that and he may just become my favourite player, I love an underdog story. So give me a call Dele, I'd love to sort this out with you ❤️

Liam Mogan
13 Posted 16/08/2024 at 17:23:00
I hope the lad manages to get his career back. In whatever form that may be.

I don't think for a minute he came to Goodison wanting to barely play. I'm pleased that the club is offering him a potential route back, even if he ends up elsewhere.

As has been pointed out, Dyche has revitalised Calvert-Lewin and a bit of humanity and understanding goes a long way in life.

Don Alexander
14 Posted 16/08/2024 at 18:01:02
Full respect to you Steve (#12) for the work you do.

I was involved in it too before retirement and you speak the absolute truth in alcoholism often being a symptom of something deeper and hidden.

Steve Shave
15 Posted 16/08/2024 at 19:27:09
Thanks Don for the kind words.
John Wilson
16 Posted 16/08/2024 at 21:15:42
Steve @12, great post.

Trauma can also be compartmentalised or controlled to an extent, is my understanding. He could play for Everton and not be affected. He could undertake his trauma therapy independently.

Trauma as I have said before, is analogous to being a walking, talking video camera. I used those words to a judge to describe on a lay level what it is for a trauma affected child.

I know people who manifest trauma such as thinking an abuser is in the same room many years after abuse and such as triggered by something and then smell the abuser's alcohol or smokey breath.

Mike Gaynes
17 Posted 16/08/2024 at 21:53:09
Andy #11, we've given him title to the State of Florida.

Actually it hasn't been officially announced yet, so no word on salary.

Shane Corcoran
18 Posted 16/08/2024 at 23:02:11
Remember on his interview with Neville he said he'd be just about ready to play when the season was ending.

What happened? I don't remember any mention of a setback since.

Paul Ferry
19 Posted 17/08/2024 at 04:10:59
John Wilson (6):

What “miracles [has] Dyche done with Calvert-Lewin”? I have no idea what you are talking about.

“We've seen Dele's talent at Besiktas [not Basiktas] … “

Really?

When the new coach took over in October he said that Dele was “below expectations in terms of efficiency", adding that he was struggling at the club. Dele did not play a single game after the end of February.

That degree of yours seems to have turned you into an expert on many fronts John. You mention it a lot reminding us all that it provides extra authority for your comments.

I would respectfully suggest that these footy comments are two of your poorer judgments.

Danny O’Neill
20 Posted 17/08/2024 at 06:04:27
I had to attend a Trauma Management course before deploying. It helped as I was able to help the lads and lasses during the operation. But it was more important when we returned. Because that's when it sinks in. When you're out there, you don't think about it.

I've had mates who were, and still are, proper messed up. One of the young lads who had a traumatic experience when the person stood next to him was killed, confessed on the day we returned to having sunk two bottles of whiskey in one night.

I hope Dele finds himself again. Whether it's with Everton or not remains to be seen, but he is talented and can still offer a lot.

Colin Glassar
21 Posted 17/08/2024 at 06:48:22
You should write a book, Danny.
Danny O’Neill
22 Posted 17/08/2024 at 07:17:21
I have thought about that, Colin. I've had a very varied life. Everton, Army, Family, Life and Everton!!

I have actually started making notes. I suppose I would need help with publishing.

Steve Shave
23 Posted 17/08/2024 at 07:50:20
Thanks John @16,

Yes, I hope Dele was given the right advice at the right time and is well into the trauma work as opposed to just starting.

When I get a new client, one of the first things I want to loosely ascertain (without talking about it directly) is the volume of trauma; this (amongst other factors) determines the likely length of treatment.

I know Dele has been through a lot, we aren't just talking about a singular sexual trauma here, he suffered ongoing attachment injuries at the hands of his parents. Single incident PTSD is actually surprisingly treatable; even without a highly experienced clinician, the recovery rate is actually 80-85% with evidence-based treatments.

Danny, that's why many soldiers (and I believe footballers fall into this category) struggle. It's not just the horror of the battlefield they are contending with, for many (not all, it is important to say) will have grown up in fractured homes and experienced trauma and alienation. So the trauma will be "pancaking" (a term I use) on top of this and clouding the picture.

Believe it or not, but it is thought that about 80% of trauma caused to children is at the hands of parents (who lack the skills, knowledge or resources) during their attempts to "give care". A startling statistic.

Many footballers will have grown up in rough places, "the ball" offered a way out, an escape, and it's time people started to realise that getting paid £100k a week doesn't mean that they aren't seriously damaged by their past. It does however mean that many fans feel entitled to be entertained by them regardless of what demons lie within.

They are human beings like everyone else, imagine having been through all that Dele has been through, each day a numbed-out struggle probably and your job on a Saturday means that one misdirected pass can lead to 40k people snarling, sneering and jeering at you.

Danny Baily
24 Posted 17/08/2024 at 08:13:41
We've certainly done the right thing by the player. I think a fresh start elsewhere would be best for all parties.

It's tempting to think about what a Dele who is back to his best could offer, but the risk/reward balance doesn't suit us at this time.

John Wilson
25 Posted 17/08/2024 at 19:29:12
Ref: Mr Paul 'angry' Ferry" at number 19.

It is just a fan forum.

Has your budgie died, your girlfriend said you're crap in bed, or are you just a whingeing person generally?

So, I can't spell the name of the Turkish team. To be fair, I'd prefer your brain to not be so caught up in trivial things, but suppose some use their brains to be grammar Nazis, fair play.

Am I not allowed to have an opinion? Dele showed he could score for that Turkish team. And on Calvert-Lewin, I am not going to answer as there is more than enough information there for you to pick apart, with the caveat the onus is on you to reason what Dyche has done for him.

Come on now, at least try. I'll wait, I promise. Or, you can moan like a bitch, your call.

Brendan McLaughlin
26 Posted 17/08/2024 at 19:41:45
John #25,

I'd have gone with "Has you budgie said you're crap in bed?"

Even Paul would struggle to answer that one.

Fecking horrible opening day.

John Wilson
27 Posted 17/08/2024 at 22:04:39
Ha, Brendan at 26.

Everton know how to ruin your weekend. Dyche even seems to be saying, I think Paddy Boyland was the one who asked the question too, will be slow to start our new players.

Premier League experience is needed apparently. What's the point in bringing them in!

Denis Hignett
28 Posted 19/08/2024 at 14:45:04
Wonder if Dele Alli could play right-back?

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