Coleman forced off during Carsley's winning England managerial debut

That's him available soon as our next manager I hope.

The Guardian have done a piece about Carsley in which they call Eddie Howe “the only successful English manager of an elite club”. I asked them to define 'successful' and 'elite'.

Lee Carsley shockingly admits he will NOT sing the national anthem when he takes charge of England against Ireland in Dublin... risking fan fury on his audition as interim manager

The last English manager to win a trophy in England, was Harry Redknapp with Portsmouth back in 2008.

The list of honours won by English managers since the inception of the Premier League is as follows:

Ron Atkinson (Villa 1994) League cup.

Roy Evans (Liverpool 1995 ) League Cup

Joe Royle (Everton 1995) FA Cup

Brian Little (Aston Villa 1996) League Cup

Steve McLaren (Middlesbrough 2004) League Cup

Harry Redknapp (Portsmouth 2008) FA Cup

Since 1992, there have been an unbelievable 21 occasions where the losing finalist in a major cup final has been managed by an Englishman; 11 FA Cup finals and 10 League Cup finals, including Trevor Francis, Bryan Robson and Glenn Hoddle, who have all lost in both finals. This seems to suggest that the big occasion isn't handled well by the English managers.

An even more alarming statistic is that only five English managers have taken charge of a Premier League side in the Champions League — Harry Redknapp (Spurs), Bobby Robson (Newcastle), Ray Harford (Blackburn), Howard Wilkinson (Leeds) and Phil Thompson, who took over as caretaker manager of Liverpool for a number of matches during the 2001/02 season while Gerard Houllier was recovering from a heart attack.

English Managers

They don't have Eddie Howe in that list managing Newcastle last season, because the article was published in 2018.

Come on Sean Dyche your time has arrived?

I wouldn't sing it either.

It's a boring bloody dirge anyway.

I suspect that, if they win, nobody will care.

Good decision by Lee. Move on.

I presume they'd rather have shit managers like Lampard or Gerrard in charge as long as they were belting the anthem like Barry from Eastenders.

It hides the fact that they don't believe in anything at all beyond fragmenting the population.

I may pop out and watch it later, but I don't care if Lee Carsley sings either anthem or not.

I haven't looked, is Jake O'Brien in the Irish squad?

For the political agenda it should be 'God save the King', but that is the UK and Northern Ireland national anthem

Any Irish complaints could legitimately be fended off with a simple "I didn't sing God Save The King" while opening a Twix.

Its full description is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, so yes.

But Northern Ireland is not in Great Britain… although it is in the British Isles.

[Always a good quiz to befuddle yer average dumb yank!]

Match is surprisingly sold out. All police leave cancelled in Dublin this weekend.

Sideshows everywhere. Marvellous.

It's all very Inger-Lund and bawled out by topless fat blokes with moobs who look like their family trees have no branches.

It's a non-issue. I had Commonwealth colleagues who didn't sing it and just stood in respect.

Yes Eric, it's on our passports. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Don't sing it — why would you?

Similarly, Great Britain is only so called as it's the bigger of the two main islands in the British Isles. However, I doubt many Irishmen from either side of the border would appreciate being told that they live in Little Britain!

I can understand why they play anthems, but dreadful and awfully boring tune that one — as Barry said, a dirge is the correct description...

I live in Jersey (which in itself freaks the Yanks out).

Jersey is not part of the UK but is part of Great Britain, go figure! 🤣

They're not part of UK tax system but their banking institutions are part of the UK system, sort codes and Swift etc.

And passport wise you have a UK passport? If you have the new not EU one anyway.

And then within those isles, with have nations; England, Scotland, Wales.

Anyway, back to the football. I wish Lee Carsely well this afternoon, and to both the Irish and England supporters.

Then we can get back to Everton business next week.

The King is worth about £20 Trillion, owns about a couple of million acres, 26 castles, and has no idea how ordinary people live.

Time for UK to become a Republic.

Pretty much, I have a Jersey issued UK passport as I am a squirrel from the Wirral originally but have lived here for nearly 30 years.

Jersey never had Brexit because it was never part of the European Union to start with and has no representation in UK Parliament. Theoretically Jersey could have its own National side like Gibraltar.

It basically goes back to the English Civil War and is known as a Crown dependency which basically means it's owned by the Crown.

Not sure about Isle of Man but Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney, Sark and Herme are all the same, own parliament, own currency linked to sterling, own flag etc.

All full of plastic Red Shites.

The Channel Islands are British Crown Territories. The likes of Gibraltar and the Falklands are British Overseas Territories.

I hope young Jake is playing later.

Well, come on, John, don't stop there — which city is the capital of Great Britain?

I would have said London if I was asked!

Someone should not tell you that you have to sing it as it does not make you less patriotic, if that is the correct term. And isn't the national anthem dedicated to one person and not the country?

‘The former Everton defender…'

Talk about a ‘controversial position'!

Why anyone one would ask a god (that doesn't exist) to save an unelected billionaire benefit scrounger who has hidden his actual wealth from the public and has just awarded himself a £45 million pay rise paid for by people on minimum wage and freezing pensioners needs their heads testing.

That would be the "bigliest" for his self-adoration...

I don't think there has ever been anyone from the Isle of Man??

Mind you, remember Jack Charlton's Irish squad? Half of them were English.

If I'd have made the grade, I would have qualified to play for Northern Ireland.

Not sure what position as I was not great, just above average for my size.

Just couldn't make my mind up!

The real story is that Carsley, like his predecessor, is the obvious choice for the job, having worked well with younger international players.

Let's hope he starts well, and uncovers at least one top-notch central midfielder, which in my view, will be the difference between England being beaten finalists and winners.

The origins go back to the place names used by the then local populations.

Hats off to Carsley for sticking to his guns, they're only stirring up hate because he played for Ireland.

The England team is really just another London club, catering primarily to London area fans, rarely playing anywhere north of Wembley and obsessed with London area players. I'll be cheering for Ireland.

He did what a lot of players do. Chose to play for another nation through grandparent connections. You are right: it's a non-issue.

I guarantee, the cameras will be focussed on him right from the start. It really doesn't matter. I'm just off to sit with that London club. Fortunately, I'll be in an Irish pub, so there should be a good mix!!

I'll just sit there and watch the entertainment. And I don't mean the football!!

That would cheer things up!

I agree, the national anthem is dull and I never sing it, but I'm proud to be English… although that's being eroded by a lot of what goes on nowadays.

Good for Lee.

By the way, lots of players of various nationalities don't sing.
Can't remember Rooney moving his lips much, but he played alright.

Incredibly modest... almost too self effacing to deal with the shithead media.

"God Save our groicious King"

In fact, I think our lads (Everton that is) should sing It's A Grand Old Team along with the fans before every home game. Or the Z Cars theme, either would do. Fuck off that Premier League handshake of friendship shite, which we all correctly boo these days.

Anyway, getting back to the article, we need an English National Anthem, preferably with no words, but if it has to have words then nothing about God, Royalty, Ruling the Waves or Slavery. Maybe something like Three Lions, even though it would mean more royalties for Ian Broudie, who is lifelong RS.

He looked one really pissed-off scouse scally in that interview! But starts today under Lee.

And Danny, there's a tall lad on the Irish bench wearing Number 12…

Incidentally, he was born in Birmingham and qualified to play for the Republic through his grandmother, so it surely fair to regard him as being English.

Oh, hang on — nevamind…there's a whole end missing!

If this is going to be Carsley's England, then I'm very impressed so far.

Whoulda thunk it?

Ipswich Town?

Slow and clumsy.

A nice mixture of relative ability and work-rate.

Bet he gets injured now.

Harry Maguire stood on his Achilles and knocked his boot off and even cut his sock, give him a bit of credit.

Everton numbers maintained!

I mean, every time he plays for Ireland he seems to get injured. No luck of the Irish as far as Seamus is concerned.

We don't need another hard-boiled egg and the twat won't sing Spirit Of The Blues.

Subs would be welcome.

Never a yellow!

How can he lay down his life for King and Country but not care about England footy? What sort of a squaddie was he anyway???

And where you been? If you'd got up earlier, you could've had the Live Forum to pontificate.

What the Fuck does Carsley think he's doing???

Dyche is having a meltdown.

It's actually a song about monarchy not the country and needs fixing. 'Video killed the radio star' would do the job nicely.

England always go back into their shell. The Southgate mentality is going to take time to change. And Kane is finished at this level.

We need a Johnny foreigner who is not a fully paid-up member of the 'Arry cannot be dropped club.

Has nobody pointed out that Super Lee Carsley was a defensive midfielder and not a defender?

Here's me thinking you only come on to critisise others' comments — that one made me laugh — good one.

The lads could do a hookah sort of thing as well.

Paul, you're right. A few of the oldies need to call it a day.

He seems to be at the heart of anything England do up front since I started watching.

Potato, Potartoe.

You fucken dumb yank!

I cannot understand playing both Gordon and Grealish together as they both play the same position at club level and I am still not sure Gordon is England class anyway.

Mainoo is average and Alexander-Arnold is haphazard most of the time with poor passing and crosses.

Jeez, the Irish lads play just like us Blues. very poor fare, a stroll for England!

Pity we didn't go for him, as was mentioned plenty of times on ToffeeWeb by myself and others.

The joke was that the Real Madrid scout thought that Gravesen and Carsley were the same player and they were disappointed when they found out that Gravesen could not tackle.

I see you are up to your usual standard of gobshite comments ,lad. 2-0, 8 to go. Have a bit of respect, lad. It only took two former ROI players to score for yee. Oh and yes, a former ROI player to manage yee.

The only reason brother Rice and the other fool are playing for England is their agents and clubs persuaded them to switch to earn more money. Fair play to them.

Hopefully it's not as bad as it looked, he walked off. It looked bad by Maguire, but I don't think he meant it.

I must confess that I was disappointed with the Irish lads, who I would have loved to see win. A few moments in the first half before the English closed things down in the second. Not much width, not enough pace, no guile, shaky at the back but a top keeper keeps things respectable.

And, to be honest, where's that spirit of the Charlton era? I might have played Roy Keane today.

Much the same as a Southgate performance with a couple of pleasing differences. Gordon gave us pace in behind and gave us much-needed penetration. Grealish looked lively and inventive playing more central.

What infuriated the hell out of me though was the typically Southgate issue of no overlapping full-backs. Despite acres of space outside of Saka, Alexander-Arnold kept tucking in and adding a body in midfield where we already had superiority. Colwill barely got forward.

I hope he addresses that. The U21s looked a more balanced side so hopefully this will improve.

ps: I can't get my head around those who don't like Mainoo. He's an absolute class act.

Well done, Cars. The monarch's an inbread cunt.

In football terms, I've never had an affiliation with England. I'd rather have had a UK team.

England controlled that comfortably. It was a stroll in the park for them. Seamus got put under a lot of pressure from Anthony Gordon, who played well. I hope that injury wasn't too bad. At least he was able to walk off the pitch.

I'll watch any game of football, even teams I don't have a particular flavour for..

Congratultions to Lee Carsley.

I dislike Dyche, I have to admit, but I can see immediately what he meant watching O'Brien's performance, albeit a cameo role.

Suddenly, Keane doesn't look so bad!

West Ham paid £45M for Kilman and even Fulham paid nearly £30M for Joachim Andersen.

He's a development player, here to be an understudy for a season before — hopefully — he is ready to step in for Branthwaite when he inevitably leaves. It'll take a bit of time.

The day is long gone since we had a decent team. In the Charlton days, we had starters for Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton and Arsenal amongst others.

Watching that GB News shit station and Carsley is getting ripped apart for not singing the anthem. What a load of shite. Who really cares?

I was not over-impressed and thought he needed more work.

Everton are left with a real dilemma at right-back and nobody but Dyche fancies Young. Patterson may come good but the suggestion of Garner might prove the best option for now.

Hope you're well mate.

O'Brien did look a little raw Phil. A little surprising after his very good last season. I think he will come good for us and Eire though.

Your team are shite. Always have been except for a few years under Jack Charlton.

I'm an Evertonian, have a bit of respect.

"The lads have to take all of the credit."

I simply cannot imagine autumn 2024 model Dyche saying this.

He's interim manager of England, so we will see if he gets offered the full time role. As for him taking on the Everton job, I'm unsure but, if it happened, he would be welcomed. But right here and now, let's hope Dyche can turn us around.

A random one but linked to the English-Irish conversation, I once played against the "Micks", the Irish Guards. Most of them were scousers!! Their mascot, an Irish Wolfhound has a formal name, but is called Seamus!!

Tactically, we were all over the place. No structure, players out of position especially in the second half. We had three wingers on the left standing within yards of each other. This Mainoo, I had to ask my son four times if he was still on the pitch, he did nothing.

Ireland could have had two goals easily. Townsend laughingly stating that Gomez who had not touched the ball was injecting pace into England. If England play like that against a good side, they will get beat.

Carsley's team talk must have been, "Okay, lads, do what you like, stand where you like."

Really poor in the second half. Kane's finished and Maguire is a twat, he injured Coleman intentionally, taking his boot down his Achilles.

Carsley for Everton manager? Not on that showing. England and paint drying springs to mind.

But I'm kind of accepting the fact he'd steady the ship til we get to the dock( no pun intended).

Then go for a younger more proactive coach ie Potter or Corboran or maybe Tuchel.

I'd be happy with either of those.

Anyone but Dyche.

Enough is enough!

I think that Seamus is a remarkable man. He loves Everton and he loves playing for Ireland. If he didn't believe he could do it, I think he would know and stop.

I honestly believe and hope that there's a bit left in the tank.

It's hard to judge him after one match, whether that be as England's or Everton's manager. He might be more suited to coaching, à la Colin Harvey.

Many Kings and Queens have led this country and therfore it is thus full of deep traditional monarchial routes. The United Kingdom was once many kings and kingdoms.

Carsely has the right to his political views but he is in interim manager position. It would be like managing the Republic of Ireland, a separate country, and not singing their national anthem.

I personally think it is a distraction but one view he is entitled to have. It doesn't affect his ability to do his job, clearly, but will inevitably get the back up of the patriotic, not just 'right wing.'

I wasn't shocked to see him starting though either. Unfortunately he's proving that "nice guys finish last" the longer he tries to hold on.

Big Sean has me going through my Green Day albums.

"Unfortunately he's proving that "nice guys finish last" the longer he tries to hold on".

Colin, on the contrary, I think over the years he's proved that nice guys can "finish first". What he's now proving is the frailty of age and injury — not the frailty of being a nice guy.

Far more important things to worry about.

I'm not sure it's a political view, it's not as if he was taking the knee, it's just that he doesn't do singing.

As he said he represented Ireland as a player and never sang their anthem either. A great example of crass media trying to cause problems out of nothing.

Fake news.

Are you suggesting that Carsley not singing the anthem is down to his political views?

Because if you are, you're making that up.

It's try another manager time again… fecking hell, that's made us far better, hasn't it?

Also Leo Dubois a former French International is also available on a free. Age 29 and can play both full back positions. We desperately need back ups who can start when required.

Coleman and Young should be emergency cover only now. Patterson cannot be relied on to stay fit and Mykolenko needs competition and someone who can come in and give him a rest, when required.

Hoping this forces Dyche to play Dixon and he can grasp the opportunity much better than Patterson has. If Young starts against Villa, I'm going to start losing my patience with Dyche.

Above obviously based on Coleman not being 100%.

For Saturday, I'm more concerned who is going to play centre back and in midfield.

I don't think he'll take on club management or even the England job full time.

Agree we need to go easy but I say let him off the leash given we're short. No pressure on him. Re centre back, O'Brian surely deserves a go, especially if Tarkowski isn't 100%. Or play a back 5 even to put less pressure on Dixon and provide more cover.

Maybe Carsley eulogising as he did merely reflected his observations on a pool of English players at his disposal that is in stark contrast to the cesspit every manager after Martinez has had imposed on him by a mega-dickhead owner who trusted a mega-dickhead, but self-serving only, chairman-buffoon negotiator.

Given the massive revelation of our hideous finances to Dyche (as he's long since gone on public record about, inferred criticism, such of that having caused Brands's immediate dismissal, by the way) does anyone at all think his "ideal" signings included any of those actually signed?

The man's been massively bolloxed from above, as have we all, for decades.

But at new stadium, if it's ever to be ours bereft of hideous debt for decades, let's least of all formally dedicate every latrine there to the hideous legacy of Kenwright.

But I expect those in his family who've since his death made very good indeed, sponging off us through him, would probably demand a pay-out for even such an archly ironic "memorial".

I suspect if we done that, many supporters would refrain and hold themselves. And as many of a certain age know, that becomes more challenging!!

I've not seen any news from the club on Coleman. I suppose we'll get an update ahead of the Villa match. Or maybe I've missed something.

He should be strong enough to say no and not care that he's letting some people down. It's been a few years of him getting injured after coming back for a game or two.

Seamus is well loved by everyone but is there anyone to tell him what he doesn't want to hear?

The skin down the back of his heel was broken. Looked as if it was superficial, but it looked a very sore one. One that will scab up. I'd be surprised if he was moving freely enough to play at Villa Park.

Like you, I'm more worried about the centre of our defence. Tarkowski is so fundamental to Dyche's set up, but his form is causing me sleepless nights. I was all for benching him but, having thought about it some more, I don't think he will find his form sitting on the bench.

He seems to be moving well enough, but his form and his conidence haven't half dipped. The sooner he rediscovers that backs-to-the-wall defiance that has been a crucial factor in us still being in the Premier League, the better for all concerned.

At least he walked off, but I don't think he'll make it for Villa. But he's a tough lad, so who knows?

I still remember that thundering run in his first game back after practically having his leg snapped in half.

Dyche has a director of football who brings players in that Dyche has to make better. He knew what to expect more than any of our managers he just needs to get on with it.

His one-two's around the box or just his overall skill to get past people was and still is brilliant. Never forget prime Seamus really was boss la and he's still great too. Hope he's back soon… he's still very good going forward.

He's probably a close second best Everton right back I've seen. Gary Stevens has to take that mantle.

Close call though.