Dyche sacked just hours before Peterborough tie

Lets pray the Friedkin group has a carefully curated plan and the new manager has been lined up.

Yippeee! No more anti-football... no more horrible press conferences (although he was ironically almost bearable in his final one yesterday).

Interesting they sack him so close to the game.

Also makes me think the recent media articles about how the squad loved him etc. were puff pieces by his own PR team.

Our performances have been embarrassing at times this season, no sign of synergy or any kind of link-up play or even anything resembling modern football.

He has nobody to blame but himself for his sheer favouritism and stubbornness.

I'm glad Dyche, the club and the fans have been put out of their misery.

Best of luck in the next job.

This is where we find out just how good the owners are going to be.

Decisive action has been made in Dyche's removal, now the hardest part, get the next one right.

I'd be concerned if it was just another big name, it's just being blinded by Hollywood status much like Moshiri was early on.

For this reason as much as I admire what Jose Mourinho has achieved in his career it's all over a decade ago now, how many of today's players who are aged 20-25 are in tune with success of that period?

Would the football be greatly different from that of Sean Dyche?

Yes he'd have more money available, he'd also have more pulling power but I'm just rather cautious.

If I had my choice Thomas Frank is a man that speaks positively and seems very in tune with the modern way of thinking but I can't see that happening not until summer if ever.

Clearly the rumours that we were speaking to Graham Potter was true, if that was the case and he's chosen West Ham ahead of Everton then what a damn sorry state of affairs

I imagine that was the point the decision to bullet him was made.

What a depressing list.

You not kidding us on there? Lol

I just don't see Carsley opting for League over Country.

No he was sacked before the end of that season.

Klopp is 50/1
2% of all bets have been on Klopp. That's just weird.

Yep.

Couple of observations.

Dyche will not have relegation on his CV if we go down.

And if we do fall into the drop zone after not being there all season. What will those who have been screaming he was definitely taking us down say ?... Oops ???

To.

"Awful timing." "What are we gonna do now"? "Harsh!"

Baines and Coleman get short notice but good to give them this as a precursor to the next prem game if no-one comes in quickly.

Notable that Dyche took trainig today, so short notice to change a lot...

But i still hope to see some notable shift on personnel, shape and tactics.

Interesting times

I'd like the new man to be someone I've never heard of who will revolutionise the way the game is played and lead us to world domination over the next ten years.

I'm afraid that a "progressive" systems-based manager coming in to try and change the way this squad play (think splitting the centre-backs and playing out of defence) is a recipe for relegation. At least Potter is out of the equation.

Why didn't the Club Statement even have a word of thanks for Sean Dyche who worked in a toxic, uncertain environment and conducted himself with dignity throughout?

Be careful what you wish for.

I never expected that!

Coleman and Baines; interesting? Nothing against the idea, just interesting.

Maybe TFG do read TW as there were many posters suggesting this combo.

I wonder if Thelwell, under instruction, asked to see Sean's team sheet and tactics, which may have been Plan A version 1.0.0 and when Thelwell reported back, the 'board' said enough, we need to win.

And binned him!

As AS_Roma_Fan on GOT said in his post there;

""Out of nowhere decisions. Since they don't speak, journalists are clueless about their moves. Every time it's a big surprise. For example, nobody had linked Roma with Mourinho until the official statement was published on asroma.com.""

It might lift the squad, I can't see how it wouldn't, but it may also come back to bite us, unless Baines and Coleman had been prewarned that this scenario may happen?

Good luck to them both, and the team, and if this is Kevin's idea alone, good luck to him to.

Thanks for all your work and effort Sean, you just kept going back to the well too often. Bon chance!

Well said, and very gracious to boot.

Chapeau!

I get what you mean but I'm not being careful what I wish for no.

Failing to score in 11 out of 19 games this season, not registering a shot in many of them, giving him many of his own players in three transfer windows and progressively regressing since this time last year.

No hard feelings on Sean Dyche, he came to do a job, did relatively ok in the first year but no, his position has been beyond tenable now.

I'm sorry but some fans are just stupid, we have had Dyche footy for nearly three years, yes he did a job but my god it was painful. I have only done one game this season at home, I give away my 2 Tickets FOC to family, they can walk to GP yet on occasions my tickets are not used because they cant be bothered, at least I have 500 mile round trip.

I will go to Villa next week now that stubborn sod has gone! its the Faith that kills you :-)

Mourinho would be a massive upgrade on what we had, maybe a bit too early for him but nevertheless the players would do what he tells them too. COYB

To be honest, the run of results has been so poor he can't have any complaints. I don't begrudge him any of his compensation, he's probably as relieved as we are. He did well to keep us up for two years so fair enough, now we all need to move on.

I just hope it's not Mourinho as that would give me deep concerns. That list of potentials back there is depressing.

Anyway, hopefully it is the right move. It's not just a matter of sacking him the bigger thing is getting the right replacement. TFG made of mess of managerial appointments at Roma with Mourinho, De Rossi, then the crap new Soton manager and now Ranieri. Doesn't fill me with much confidence but here is hoping.

How so "clearly"? and then "if that was the case"?

Bit of fence sitting there Jim.

I've seen no hard evidence that the club offered Potter the job.

Why would we want DCL to sign a new contract anyway?

He's pissed us about for a year and frankly, no I'd been sending him on his way soon as possible.

Again, been a decent performer but he's nowhere near good enough

Of the above three (these are the ones i've picked out of the hat because I feel they have the most pedigree) there are plusses and minuses for each. On balance my choice would be Fonseca but I wouldn't sniff at any of them.

The Jose hate I get but I think he would get us, I think the crowd would fucking love his passion and wind up tactics. Would he fancy a project? Let's see. His brand of football would be an easier transition for our limited players.

Watch DCL score a brace tonight and for the crowd to be upbeat and really get behind Seamus and Bainsey.

Let's hope the replacement is appointed very quickly.

Fonseca or Moyes for me with Galtier a risky consideration.

Indeed, very curious that the club statement didn’t express the usual platitudes…sparks must have been flying today

As for tonights game I would have fully expected EFC to win this game, with or without Dyche. Any interim managers "bounce" will only be clear as they begin to work with players in the coming days/weeks although it will be interesting to see what team they do put out tonight!

We need to get the next appointment right!

Baines and Coleman in charge

Please can I say that I share your reservations too.

I won't defend Dyche's tactics and selections, or his in game management and substitutions but - until this season (apparently as of now) they have effectively kept the squad insulated from the 'noise around the club', got us thru two points deductions, and kept us in the league twice.

Good luck to him, he has his systems and footballing beliefs and stuck with them.

Unfortunately for him, the margins kept falling on the wrong side this season.

Just think of the first four games;

What would have happened if we put those two big chances away in the first 35 minutes?

Spurs, injuries and expectations saw the result we got maybe we conceded one or two more than we should have.

Bournemouth, well enough has been written about that fiasco...

Villa, DCL scores his 1v1 or Ndiaye passes to McNeil and we go on to win 3-1, 3-2 or what not.

Well, we'll never know if he would have kept us up or not now...

Good luck to the man.

Yes, I'm a glutton for punishment but I can't help liking him. And yes, I know I'm in the minority.

Good sense tells me that TFG have someone ready to step in (oven ready).

But I have to say seems a bit odd so close to kick off. I’d love to know what’s been said to Mr Dyche.

Cum on feel the noize. This is good news isn’t it?

Thanks for dragging us out of almost certain relegation the last two years but based on his negative style of football, it’s better he’s gone now with the transfer window open and half a season left. That’s assuming TFG have a plan !!!

I'm hoping it'll be a swift turn 'round, with an appointment imminent.

Dyche: 'here's the team sheet - we'll be lucky to beat Peterborough as we can't score'.

Board: WTF!

Sky saying he's out of work. Knows Baines and Coleman and we can save the money for a striker.

Sarri: might be a good bet. Has certainly built clubs up. Not sure about his track record about averting disaster at the wrong end of the table. Not sure what he'd make of our current squad.

Fonseca: I think at least part of Dyche's downfall was his lack of glamour, and lack of big club look. Fonseca is handsome and foreign, so looks the part (tick) but is not an especially great coach (ups and downs). Quite high risk.

But in all honesty, the Friedkin's appointments at Roma indicate we might be overly hopefully as regards these big names. I also think the fact we're being outbid by Ipswich for Philogene indicates how unattractive we might be to a manager right now.

For this and various other reasons, I still think Moyes is overwhelmingly the most likely candidate - on a 2 year deal with an option for a 3rd season.

Then I suspect the following will have been considered:

- Steve Cooper
- Edin Terzic
- Graham Potter

Obviously Potter has gone to West Ham (currently the 16th richest club in the world).

I don't think Kieran McKenna or Thomas Frank will feature in this at all - because they won't move until summer (each with an eye on the Spurs job).

I know lots of other names have been mentioned, and good ones too, but I'm saying here what I think is likely - not what I want.

Ranieri to Everton as an interim, and one of the big names to Roma i.e. Sarri, Allegri or Fonseca!? Doh! Not Conceição....

Apparently Fabio Paratici (DoF) going to AS Roma too

Cars knackered so can't get over the Pennines tonight.
But I'll be screaming at the Telly for 90 minutes.

Sky (if you believe them) mentioned Potter had been contacted but that may have been just Sky and I don't think Potter would have done much but he did shape the Seagulls.

Let's see what happens as it needs to be soon.

Dyche had to go, shame he couldn’t change his approach but he managed us through chaos so something to thank him for.

I understand the feeling from some against Moyes, but I think he might be our best bet to see out this season. His departure left a lot to be desired but I always thought he would have done well with the money Moshiri wafted about early on.

Hey ho, no idea who’s coming but agreed it’s a good early test for TFG, hopefully they saw the writing on the wall before the last two disasters.

NSNO

I wasnt sure whether to laugh or cry at the timing. You made me smile instead.

The thought of Davey Moyes fills me with a dread I have never experienced. The Mackems made that mistake and have never recovered.

I do like the silence, followed by action. A much better way of doing things.

Going to the home games this season expecting us to be shit - is the most damning thing

And why didn’t we go we not go get Potter? Did we even speak with him?

Sure Dyche had to go but the timing is very odd with a few hours until a game.

We HAVE to get the right person in for NOW.

We need to stabilise, get up the table, bring in some seasoned players to get us up the table.

An interim manager would tick the box then appoint a full time manager in the summer.

Sky are all over the Dyche sacking.

Lepotegui got barely chip paper headlines.

Who’s the bigger club !!

On the new man... the Sporting Life, as of 15 minutes ago, are showing David Moyes as odds on favourite.

That's just being mischievous! You rascal you! Hehe

Well said.

Hey ho can we just win tonight please, maybe.

Anyone we bring in now is a huge risk, doesn't matter who he is.

The two above will know what's wrong, having witnessed it every week, as well as in training, and will have as good an idea, if not better, of what's needed as any new manager coming in who knows little about the players.

Did we not also dither when Arteta wanted to be a manager and leave City?

Did we not believe he wasn’t experienced enough for us.

History tells us otherwise.

He's 28/1 at the moment on Sky Bet so I've 'lumped' a tenner on it.

And yes to whoever previously said that Baines can't possibly do worse than what we've been witnessing lately.

Favourite to replace Moyes😊

He kept us up two years ago and he provided us with a more than solid set of results last year but this year has seen a decline.

An interesting few days ahead. Given the absolute necessity of staying in the league an experienced Manager is required. Whoever is chosen I will be behind him from day one!

Good luck to our former full backs tonight, hopefully, they will get a tune out a mediocre set of players.

I honestly expected our new owners to wait a little longer, but I'll say this for TFG, when they decide it's time, they move.

PT #127 gets it right for me.

I have a pleasant image of the three hard-boiled eggs and bags and cases crammed into Woaney's 1999 Ford Fiesta driving back to Nottingham or, better still, thumbing lifts outside the Rocket.

The book(s) will be interesting.

Dream team!!!

He did terrific before this season - surely we can appreciate that with some respect.

May he find his footing helping other clubs stave off relegation or helping them get promoted.

We’ll never know what he could’ve done with better players, and we’ll find out what others will do with our below-average squad, but let’s hope for a bounce these next few weeks. We sure as hell need it.

If Moyes is the height of the new owners ambition we are in for another long period of meh.

I know another web-warrior, a UK Blue working in Italy, so he's been following AS Roma.

There is a very strong rumour going around that because Everton is currently 'unattractive' and our PL survival isn't secured yet, no-one of any note wants to manage us.

However, it seems that other than paying relocation expenses for Ranieri, who knows and has won the PL, would be willing to firefight for us, while TFG will ask one of Sarri, Allegri or Fonseca to take over. Along with a rumour that Fabio Paratici, Spurs old DoF with Conte, who wanted Fonseca after Conte left will be joining Roma too...

Who knows what will happen... I know I wasn't expecting this, and was calm about Dyche staying till the Villa game in truth.

Really late in the day to be honest

Hopefully they will both read the players the riot act!

I don't really mind who comes in as long as they realise that players in the right positions helps, have an appreciation that defending a nil-nil and trying to nick a nil-nil meaning that 38 draws results in 38 points is never going to cut it among Evertonians, and also have an appreciation of the opposition half and especially the opposing penalty area and recognise this an area to be explored.

I like Sean Dyche and believe he does generally talk a load of sense, have watched some of his master classes and they are really informative but his football leaves a lot to be desired. To be fair, he's just another manager that got worn down by the basket case of a club that we have become.

Good luck to him. Will be interesting to see where he and his management team crop up next.

Hopefully the team can start to push on and play the way they need to now and get some much needed results on the board.

OK maybe Mourinho is a bit old hat as well.

Having said that, the results and performances had become stale and especially the lack of goals had gotten alarming. Will things get hugely better under a new coach ? Unlikely, unless TFG are able to bring in a couple of high quality players and the injured can get back quickly. Having McNeil, Garner and Tim Iroegbunam simultaneously unavailable affected Dyche’s attacking game plan dramatically and he couldn’t adjust unfortunately.

Looking forward, I had a secret name who I wanted us to consider as our next coach in the summer. But sadly, Jimmy Thelin’s (Aberdeen coach) has fallen as dramatically as it had risen. But, NO to Moyes please.

There's surely no point talking about him (or Frank) now.

Luton Job up for grabs. :-)

What makes you think Rooney warrants any type of coaching role? He has a miserable track record of failure as a coach and anyone less famous would never have worked after DC United much less got the Plymouth or Birmingham jobs in replacing lesser known managers who'd been doing well. Yes, he was a great player but the idea he might be a good attacking coach is based on nothing but his player reputation and that was the logic that saw him become a manager. Presumably, there are good experienced attacking coaches out there who'd probably cost less.

But a definite no to Moyes returning. Ok he won a Europeans cup for West Ham. But he was unable to push off from that. The Hammers fans certainly weren’t happy with him.

Let’s not forget how poor Moyes was, and still is, with strikers. He has mastered the art of how to ruin a striker.

Mind you, he couldn’t do much damage with our strikers, most of them have been ruined already

The Bobble which is quite reliable is stating he's meeting the Friedkin's tomorrow

Either way, the squads good enough to win tonight and TFG have a few days to get a new man in by Villa.

New chapter. PLEASE NOT MOYES!

2005/6 we were bottom of the table at New Year and Cahill scored at the death v Sunderland and we finished 11th.

Also in seasons we didn't finish in the top 6/7, he had a number of awful starts and finished in mid table safety. Go on the Everton stats website and you'll see that

Gee, never thought I'd ever defend him after all them big game capitulations.

Just need a crazy Dutch winger and it'll be full on retro.

It was embarrassing to watch. The negativity. The lack of tactical nous. The mind numbing long ball tactics. Jack Harrison etc…

Dyche leaves as an even richer man than when he came. This is a results based game and the results were, lately, pathetic. As for entertainment value, no comment.

Looks like Moyes will return. More negative play but at least, imo, he’ll keep us up. Just hope it’s not long term

Unless the Friedkin's think it'll ingratiate then with the fan base. It won't.

But I predict it will be:

"But when Everton contacted me via Jenny on Blue Bill's old mobile... I just couldn't say no"

I was always against it but it will be an improvement on Dyche.

Some reports that Dyche wanted out and had taken us as far as he could, hence timing of dismissal - all conjecture on X though.

Merson also changed his tune when he backed us to go down last week because we're not set up to win games and draws are no good.

He's now saying if any team is in the bottom 3 or 4, they'll go for Dyche as he'll keep them up. Go figure.

Broja x2.

No wonder other fans laugh at us with this sentimental, backward looking bullshit.

Man Utd: 26 W 10 D 15 L, Win Rate 51%, 1 Season
Sociedad: 12 W 15 D 15 L, Win Rate 29%, 1 Season
Sunderland: 8 W 7 D 28 L, Win Rate 19%, 1 Season
West Ham: 9 W 10 D 12 L, Win Rate 29%, 1 Season
West Ham: 104 W 43 D 84 L, Win Rate 45%, 5 Seasons

However, I expect this is all completely academic because I'd be amazed if he is our next manager.

We may be converging on that point now like walking over a cliff with a blindfold on.

"Sean, Sean, that's a cliff!"
"Noo, it's just a step, you'll be fine"

No manager is bigger than Everton Football Club. The dawn of a new era.

Oh, and where was The Bobble on this? Any other leaks before 4:30?

I just hope it doesnt go pear shaped.

I'm not so sure he'd be a safe bet to keep us up.

Would you not want to impress your new rich American owners? Or would you sit there saying… it’s all money and pies and the quality of gravy and it’s a bit cold and we need to run around bleep testing and we need to aim low and grind out draws and not have a single shot on goal…

I’m hearing he didn’t want to resign - so he and his team get 7 figure payouts… FairPlay…

Moyes? Mostly played like shit, but very, very hard to beat… ugly… ugly… but hated playing top 4 teams. Supercharged Mediocrity…

Don’t want to look back.
Still have Allardyce/Lee nightmares let alone Raf Beneathus…

I’d love Carsley, with Baines and Coleman - too romantic.

Or German Edin…
Or even Ten Hag… show everyone what he can do… because he won stuff with a shower of over paid shite…

Whoever it is - someone who can kick the shit out of DCL so have start scoring again…

“You can wear the skirt and the strap ons on your days off… but put the blue shirt on and score some fucking goals you little prick”

“You can wear the skirt and the strap ons on your days off… but put the blue shirt on and score some fucking goals you little prick”

Or mutual termination?

I could live with that if he keeps us up, gets into Europe, and wins a trophy. Which is what he did for the Hammers.

I'm sure some other daft get of a club will give you a few million to con the fans and put them into a state of dispair. Next!!!

Good riddance no premiership manager can survive with a record as bad as his.

I want the owners to demonstrate they are not a bunch of footballing charlatans. To achieve this surely a quick appointment to demonstrate some thought and planning has gone into this decision.

I'm a patient person. I don't need or necessarily want a 'name' or an ego. Not a combustible type that will demands millions more whilst spending erratically on marmite players.
We need someone who can harmonise and build a team and squad. Someone who is adaptable, who understands we need results and performances can wait.

Get it wrong and we are a titanic club.

If it's been in the works for a few days, they must have talked to Potter?

Apparently Moyes is our number 1 target and I'm not sure how I feel about that TBH. The last time I consistently enjoyed watching us play was under his tenure but I would normally say that you should never go back. I'm also pretty certain that he wouldn't have been TFG's ‘number 1 choice' if matters hadn't come to a head over the last week. Hopefully they know what they're doing. Being frank, it would make a fucking change.

I watched all our league games and we were without doubt getting worse each passing minute.

Players who clearly couldnt be arsed, don't care, are poor and not PL standard, not following any plan that they might have been instructed to follow, out of sorts with themselves and each other etc

I think, for whatever reason, he had lost the dressing room long ago (not that he has been here that long - just seems it)

No way back when that happens

Dyche is a saviour. Like it or not.

He has now gone down in history, stopping us from doing so.

His stats will be measured alongside other quality names like Allardyce, Benitez & Lampard in the Mike Walker book of Footballing Horrors at EFC.

Ultimately, Dyche was offered a poison chalice.

The club was / is in ruins thanks to the dead twat.

But he took it on.

With points deductions - twice !!!

A squad that had to play 100% every game, no mistakes coz there were no goals in it.

I maintain (to an opposing view of several wisened TW experts / veterans) that he was knee capped by DoF Thelwell. Incoming players being appalling in the majority, to an already threadbare (and kept threadbare) below standard squad. Considering Thelwell has written a book "Coaching The European 3-5-2", something his manager buddy was clueless in regards to both on the field and from Thelwells sainted texts, his acquisitions didnt back his own philosophy.

Nor that of a 4-5-1 hoof it and hope manager.

But that is all in the past.

Well Dyche is.

I didnt like his style of football.

However I will always hold a high regard for what he did in terms of keeping Everton from falling into the abyss. A place we permanently teeter upon the edge of.

Good luck wherever your journey takes you Sean

'Relieved of duties' will typically mean he's been paid whatever he was due under his contract. No 'mutual consent' here.

The Guardian also reporting that Dyche had told TFG that couldn't do any more with this team and TFG felt he had effectively quit doing the job.

Posted six days ago...

Moyes was pretty conservative in his tactics and selections. Dyche was just scared and tried to keep the score down.

I really hope we get a fresh face in. Moyes 12 years on is not the answer.

A crazy list. Chalk and cheese.
Play, don't play. No consistency. No best fit.
Too attacking, too defensive or just WRONG!

Through it all, player recruitment has been generally terrible and overly expensive.

Fix that and we improve every next managers chances.

We won’t go down with Moyes, reset in the summer.

With no appetite (rightly in my view) to extend it he's effectively been working his notice period since TFG completed the takeover. If we'd have been mid-table, that could have continued.

I think possibly Dyche and his team may have said "Either extend us or sack us" – which brought things to a head?

For me, it would be the lowest point as an Evertonian to see him back.

By giving up Dyche, we must also consider we may have strengthened another relegation rival and make our own job harder.

He could walk into Southampton or Ipswich tomorrow and make them more solid.

Dyche is pretty straightforward for a modern manager. I reckon he stood up for his coaches and told them to just pay off their contracts. Many fans seem to forget that managers and coaches are human beings with families.

There is no way Ipswich are taking Sean Dyche over McKenna and Southampton have just appointed a new Manager.

The whole football world now knows his limitations.

I became an Evertonian during the last 5 years of Moyes and I did really like most of that time, especially compared with the insanity post-Martinez. The last two seasons of Moyes were fun! Is there a Fellaini 2.0 anywhere out there?!

Crazy that Seamus was playing under Moyes and is still going! Seems sooo long ago.

Moyes can do his thing here for 5 months, grind out more wins than Dyche seemed to be able to and get us ready for the new stadium. So says I!

I hope the incoming manager is not a playout from the back coach. Not the time when money is a constraint. Just maintain the good defensive structure, work on the 2nd ball and set-pieces tactics. The xG should turn into goals. I wish.

The commentator we got for the game tonight was amazed we had sacked him. He rolled out the usual 'saved them ', 'worked miracles' stuff. Then considered that the players and supporters would be a bit flat as they all supported him.

Dyche will sell his low goals conceded, his xG (when it suited), the limitations of the squad he had. Basically he'll do what he always did – focus on the things that benefit him and blame others for everything else.

The surprise sacking might have been a free game so to speak to gain some first-team coaching experience quickly. I hope whatever happens we have better days than we’ve seen this season.

None of the top teams or currently successful outfits like Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham, Newcastle or Villa operate like this.

The whole ‘they get the club' thing is embarrassing and will just perpetuate the "jobs for the boys" failure ethos that runs right through the club.

He won’t sign on just to beat relegation this season so, as I don’t want him long-term, it’s a firm "No, thanks" from me.

The last 2 years of dithering Davey just seemed like so many of his previous seasons and a big step down from where we have previously been.

Nil satis nisi optimum has to be the target all the time.

There is nothing about the past 30 years of supporting this club that I want to revisit.

Glad we have got new owners in, depressed at the prospect of them returning to a safe, dull appointment. The game has moved on, why can't we?

However, I am concerned that we have sacked a manager seemingly with no-one else lined up. Perhaps they will surprise us tomorrow with an appointment we can all get excited about.

However, if Moyes is really under consideration, it's a massive red flag for me.

Don’t hire a manager until Summer.

Luckily it was just Dyche.

Mixed feelings: gratitude for seeing us through two tough years and acceptance that he had clearly run his race with us.

No idea who will come in next but hopefully we can get a bit of verve and vigour into the team again and start enjoying supporting the team again.

It will be a regressive move.

TFG have not done their homework if that's the case and we're in for more of the same with the dour Scot who accepted another job before leaving us years ago.

Hope it's not true despite our situation because it smells too much like desperation and we haven't shed the Kenwright past.

Do you think that will fit on banner for his first game?

A ridiculous and divisive hire if it goes ahead.

If Fat Sam can get nine jobs in 16 years amidst ugly football and multiple investigations, Dyche can have a long and fruitful career ahead of him.

Personally I will always consider last season to be one of the most inspirational managerial performances I have ever seen. With two points deductions, the entire English league structure stacked against us, and a lame-ass roster including schlubs like Danjuma, Gomes, Godfrey and Holgate, Dyche not only pulled us to survival but did it with room to spare. And the RS left the league title at Goodison, a memory we can cherish forever.

He will be back in the Premier League, maybe the next time somebody is in relegation trouble and needs a kick up the ass.

He led us through the most difficult period in the club's history on and off the field, when we faced bankruptcy unless we were sold.

Absent owner, board resigned, 2 PSR points deductions, all saleable assets in the squad sold, he was the sole voice of the club in the storm when everyone else had left the building. The performances were efficient in 2023-24, but unacceptable this season with a stronger squad.

I genuinely don't think we would still be in the premiership today, and therefore a going concern financially, without him. Good luck to him and his team.

Failing to acknowledge that Dyche (and Pickford) kept us in the Premier League 2 season ago, and Dyche did a very good job last season even after the outrageous points deduction.

A simple thank you for your service and well wishes for the future should have been included.

I certainly wish him well.

Time to move on, hopefully to better things.

What we need most right now is an experienced manager with a solid record of success under tough circumstances.

(And no, I don't mean Moyes...)

Either an old, tarnished, play-it-safe-forever mundanity of a bloke, or a relatively young, unproven, bullshitting gob-shite a million miles away from being able to even converse with the many very limited players long since coining a fortune for fuck all on the pitch for us.

Did Brian Clough have a bastard son with Peter Taylor perchance? Here's hoping!

He did a truly remarkable job in keeping us up. I am sorry that the football club lacked the grace to recognise this and thank him for his service.

Sam's teams played much better football. Were you watching when he turned around Bolton Wanders with Jay-Jay Okocha and Co? Dyche could not dream of coaching like that.

Personally, I want Thomas Frank – I like his structure, planning and attention to detail. But, the timing of this announcement makes that very difficult.

Not impossible though. This is the Premier League and the main language is money.

He gaslights the naive and uninformed football supporters that he is doing a good job. He’s not a terrible person, but anyone with any football nous knows his stubborn style of play is unsustainable; it slowly drains supporter and squad confidence and leads to inevitable relegation.

Yes, I do believe football is all about players. And managers. It’s not one being more important than the other. It’s a combination. A relationship. How do the players respond to him, and how much belief and encouragement does he give them?

If it was true that football was all about players, then why have a Coach? Trying to make them feel like they’re in the best position and mental space to perform is the Manager’s job.

Players do improve under certain coaches: Kalvin Phillips would not have any England caps if it wasn’t for Marcelo Bielsa, and Jack Harrison would not be ‘playing’ in the Premier League. (He actually looked quite good when he came on tonight…. L1 Posh, oh yeh.)

Just so relieved that the garrulous bald fuck has gone, he should have gone in the Summer. Credit for the last-day survival, obviously,.

I actually think the points deduction last season helped him focus in a strange way, it wasn’t a hindrance or something ‘really difficult to navigate’, without the points deduction, he would of taken us down(controversial opinion!).

But, shame on you for your fearful and cluelessly out of touch stubbornness that has made us one of the worst teams in the division this season.

Just so relieved he’s gone, thank Christ for that… Wait a minute —who’s coming back in? Oh……….for fuck's sake!!

As for Fat Sam, it has been a very, very long time since he coached attractive football. He left Bolton 18 years ago. Most of what he has put on the pitch since then has been butt ugly.

And if he can make a lucrative living in the Premier League, so can Sean. He'll be back.

That ain't Friedkin's fault by the way – no, the fault was implemented decades ago by the most bogus owner/chairman/share-holder in our otherwise proud club's history.

Ideally, I wanted us to hold off until summer and bring Iraola in but results made a change necessary. Moyes to steady the ship for a couple of years before Arteta is ready to step in… 😀

Frank came from within the club. He had a role working with development teams. Then he moved to the manager role.

Maybe that's why he has had success? He's worked at different levels of the club, he's come through the ranks, and he gives a shit about developing different levels of playing staff.

Maybe.

I still think the Director of Football role is the one that needs sorting first. It sounds obvious, but we should figure out what we want in a coach before we hire one. Do we just want a coach? Or do we want someone to drive everything?

That's why I still believe Moyes is such an obvious interim option (if he'll come). He's a very solid coach, he won't be phased by the job, he's probably not trying to climb the managerial ladder anymore, and he's experienced enough to actually help the process we need to go through.

Even shit coaches usually get a thankyou.

I could just about stomach Moyes on a clear-cut season's end deal with no frills except a 50P bonus, but (1) I don't think that he would sign it, and (2) he has the fecking gall to come back.

If it is to be Moyes, that is not the best of starts for TFG in my opinion and another sign of Thelwell's shortcomings. I do agree David that a short-term deal with a properly costed and scrutinised permanent manager in the summer is the best thing for us.

Scratching my head to think of someone who is not Moyes who might sign that deal who is below 60 with no historical/romantic ties to us?

Or, in true Sean Kearns "mole"/Princess Diana assassinated JFK style, can it just be a mere coincidence that Rob Edwards left Luton on the day that the three hard-boiled eggs left us? Hmmmmmmm.

Agree Ernie, a new DOF is a top priority mate.

You can call that taking one for the team, or displaying leadership in a difficult time, or you could say he took his 30 pieces of silver in exchange for betraying Evertonians.

Even the timing - delayed so he was appointed just as we sold Gordon and it was too late to sign anyone else screamed setup. It wasn't just a coincidence and it provides insight into what he knew.

Dyche used to be a bit coy over what he knew before he signed. In recent weeks he's got a bit bolder and started declaring that he was misguided in his understanding of the club's situation. Conveniently those statements have come after the two main protagonists are not involved with the club, for one reason or another.

Along the way, he's defended his reputation. And he'll leave with it intact in the eyes of most of the media.

I've never thought we would go down in this period. I don't even think Dyche would take us down this season, as poor as we are. I guess he did his job, but he definitely lowered the standards at the club. One or two shots a game would feel like Brazil '70 at the moment.

It's a shame the departing does not seem to have been an amicable one; Dyche deserves the thanks for the two seasons' graft he put in to keep us in the Premier League but, according to The Guardian, The Friedkin Group thought that his comments constituted that he had effectively resigned in saying he could do no more with the team... and therefore was not entitled to the 6 months left on his contract.

A bunfight ensued and, by the sound of it, a fair bit of ill feeling. Perhaps it's a culture thing. (I have experienced exactly the same as a VP in a Texan company, blunt, ruthless and unforgiving attitudes towards rights and expectations normally given to European staff.) No matter why, it's obviously been a contentious and acrimonious parting for it to happen when it did, how it did and without any niceties.

It had to happen but I thought the moment had passed when it didn't — but the Bournemouth loss and its nature made poor reading for the Friedkins and subsequently the trigger was pulled probably sooner than they wanted…

We are in limbo at the moment, treading water until a new manager is appointed, a restructure needed but the order of the day is win first, points on the board.

Because just the thought of seeing his ugly mug in the Everton dugout again fills me with dread. I will be extremely disappointed if the TFG group take the Moyes route.

He is one of the last people I want to see in charge of us when we walk out in the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock for the very first time.

At his age, he may well fancy a move upstairs. We could be the club to give him something on his CV that helps him along that path. There may be something other than money that motivates him.

Lytham-St-Annes is an Everton retirement home, for fuck's sake… but the six-faced one has the gall to come back.

What was it, 74 goals conceded in his last season at West Ham? Makes Silva look tight at the back.

The Premier League now compared to when he was last here is way different. Even the likes of Ipswich are spending £100M on new players. I don't trust he had evolved enough to get us to keep us up.

It will be the first test for Friedkin on the "MoshMoronMetre" - if he offers Moyes a 2-year deal then he can put on his dunce's cap and go sit in the corner.

Not much has changed with him. He has not been close to any major silverware (Uefa Conference apart) with much better players than we have. He’s boring as fuck and has basically took the piss out of us with his remarks about our players joining Man Utd so why on earth would we even consider him?

If we went down, he would not be the one to lead us back. TFG need to show some intelligence in this appointment rather than desperation measure as we’ve all seen too often in the past.

I cannot stand the man anymore. Let’s just move on and get somebody in who can move us forward.

It was he and Kenwright that led to us being where we are now.

We'd had more than enough of him when he moved on to Man Utd.

They say he gets Everton! Harry Catterick, Howard Kendall and Joe Royle got Everton. I don't think David Moyes was anywhere near getting Everton like they did.

This is so underwhelming, I am very disappointed.

The new gaffer will be in a decent position simply because he is not Dyche and there is some mellow optimism among us fans.

Let's see how it goes.

So he couldn't say goodbye to the players, who cares? I'm just happy he will never manage this club again.

I would also be surprised if he accepted a short-term stint, so basically, a No from me, but surely there is someone out there. Other clubs seem to find the likes of Iraola, Thomas Frank etc, so why can't we?

The facts – 3 wins in 19 games – he would have been sacked long ago if we had a board and owner.

If ginger is appointed (and I understand the reasons behind this – survival) then it's showing a complete lack of vision and ambition and our utter failure to make a clean break from the Kenwright - Moshiri years.

It's now quite obvious that Friedkin hasn't prepared for this. No CEO, no board, no new manager lined up etc…

I thought you meant Corbett.

I am one of a few voices on here who can sit back and say openly I think Moyes did an excellent job for us and have consistently said so, I remain confused by those who think not. It's possible to believe that and support that notion AND be opposed to the idea of re-appointing him.

I do not think going back is ever a good idea. I also think he is outdated and as some have said already, the appointment would lack some serious vision. That's why it would disappoint so many because after Kenwright and Moshiri, we had really hoped for owners with vision.

Of course the Friedkin group may still have a vision and Moyes' name is just lazy journalism. Sacking Dyche (with his survival expertise) wasn't without its risks, the appointment of a new manager is also not without its risks, including divisive Dave.

Therefore, let's really fucking go for it from the off. If it's not Sarri (now my first choice) or of course Allegri, then let's buy out someone's contract and get it right. Whether that is Jose (people turning their noses up to a 2 x winning Champion's league manager is laughable) Frank or even McKenna. A mate texted me to say Fonseca has had 8 clubs in 8 years so that has put me off the idea.

I do agree with a couple of the above comments that McKenna won't come until the summer but I am less sure about Frank. I know they are a better team, better run club and doing well but he has surely hit a glass ceiling there?

If the new owners are capable of representing themselves and the vision of the club, there will be a very good manager out there who would fancy it, surely?

"Even when he first arrived we weren't really in the relegation mix we were sort of the best of the rest mid tableish teams."

Yeah, we were doing so good that we sacked our manager and appointed another.

Remember the year when we finished with 39 points. We had 39 points and lost the last 4 games having drawn the previous 2. In fact we had enough points after 28 games to have been safe.

Of course we did have an awful start to the 05/06 season thanks to Collina's phone call from UEFA with 4 points from the first 9 games but we still finished on 50 points.

And I think his job (twice) at West Ham of managing a regulation battle should just be ignored because that was not at Everton

But as I always say, never let the truth get in the way of your prejudices.

He's gone now. He joins Rafa, Sam, Carlo and Frank in an exclusive club of people who got very, very rich serving up abject anti-football to the long-suffering Evertonians.

To the here and now: Leighton Baines was a Rolls-Royce of a player. One of the few who wouldn't draw sniggers if you compared his left foot with that of James and Sheedy.

I have heard very good things about his coaching ability but, whenever I hear of him being suggested as a manager, my mind always goes back to the game were he stepped aside for the less-talented Kevin Mirallas to take a penalty. Lovely man, but perhaps a little too humble to be a leader ?

I was sat above him last night. Watching how him and Seamus. While Seamus was up and down looking desperate to get on the pitch. Baines was motionless. very calm. I watched his interview this morning and he spoke exactly the way I hear he coaches. simple, Calm, thoughtful and clear. No shite – "It's not that complicated. Players play and coaches coach". Baines did a good job under difficult circumstances last night, but with all the craziness going on yesterday, there is a danger his work will go under the radar.

Unfortunately reports suggest that us Evertonians are going to have to kiss a few more frogs before we find our prince… Please don't make one of them Ginger – but I would love to think we were seeing the future manager of Everton FC last night. The mature, less humble, Leighton Baines.

I am also aware of the proverb "Procrastination is the Thief of Time" … but equally "Look before you Leap" too is pertinent in our case.

That actually rules out Sarri, Moyes, Fonseca who haven't won much despite being given the resources a few times to do so.

BTW, Moyes, given the stability he had at Everton, should have won at least 1 trophy for us. He isn't a way forward but he might do til the end of the season.

Given TFG want Premier League experience, that rules out Allegri (although I doubt he'd come, you would want to rule him out because he hasn't managed in the Premier League).

Mourinho fits the bill as 2-year transition manager. I don't want him but then again I do! He'll win a cup, turn the club round and make it better for the next manager. Plus raise our profile.

Honestly, providing the sentiment in the dressing room was supportive, I'd have backed Dyche and his team over Moyes and an old boys club of Baines & Coleman.

The real winners last night were Ipswich.

His remarks, when we said no to the Fellaini transfer – he deserves to play for a big club. That remark, tells you everything about his feelings towards Everton. Two-faced – and with a knife that must surely be as blunt as an Everton centre forward.

No, No, No to Moyes.

Perhaps he can sign us some more Everton legends of the calibre of Baines and Coleman etc, like he did last time he was here.

My ropey metaphor for how he treated Everton is

- he left his longstanding wife for a hottie, then tried to persuade the families favourite children to join him, when the hottie discovered he was shit in bed, he went off piste and off to her older less attractive sister who lived in London. She has a couple of nice trips to Europe, but often on a Thursday night. Soon she found out he wasn't very exciting, maybe a bit dour

- now he's on his own, he wants a romantic reunion with his first wife

I'd definitely advise that first wife to give him a wide berth

The whole point of sacking Dyche is to change how we play, with different tactics and fresh enthusiasm from the players.

The next appointment could be short-term, but we do need long-term stability heading into the new stadium, but the first priority is to maintain our Premier League status.

I'm of the opinion that the likes of Seamus and Baines aren't particularly helping the situation, and haven't done so since the start of the Rafa era. You can imagine them subtlety undermining managers and banging on about the 'good times' under Moyes back in the day.

If (big if) we survive this, I'd be in favour of a clear out of the old boys.

If he'd declined the opportunity, you'd have to question his ambition, hunger and desire.

I'd wanted him gone 2-3 years before mind, so maybe my opinion is coloured by that!

The way this has unfolded is typically Everton - and surrounded by intrigue, hopefully some facts will emerge in due course:

- Did Dyche really say he'd taken the team as far as he could?
- Did TFG have a plan for the summer?
- If so, what sort of interim manager did they want?

I can't believe for 1 second Moyes will take a short-term caretaker role. His ego won't allow it. Maybe there'll be a transition plan for him to be DoF in the future - I doubt he'll work under Thelwell.

If Moyes comes in on a longer deal, and it's as manager, with no transition plan, then it rather suggests TFG have panicked.

I see West Ham have put a 6-month break clause in Potter's contract – hopefully Everton will do similar – and we avoid an Allardyce situation – wanted him on 6 months, but we eventually ended up paying for 18 months.

I do like the way his team plays but we need a coach who can move us up the table, play attractive football and have our hearts singing. Brentford staying up is an achievement, for us Evertonians, it's a given.

Has he been tipped the wink that a distant cousin of his is soon to be our new manager and has been told to keep it under his hat?

My favourite is "Never give a sucker an even break". Dunno what it means and has nothing to do with the thread. I just like it.

Sorry... just woken up, is it Moyes?

Good Luck on your travels Sean.Thanks for saving Everton from relegation twice , pity you were not able to move on with Everton.

I sort of knew Seamus overlapping into space was a statement

What a fucking bizarre post!

You cannot manage Everton because you had extra-marital sex.

I know that we were founded by Methodists but fuck me; can we work and play and drink on Sundays?

NO you can't be a politician or a footy manager because you had extra-marital sex.

This is a reading from the holy gospel of Flack.

Let's see, i've calmed down a little, if its Moyes then I hope only till the end of the season, if not we HAVE to get behind him whatever. An interesting few days ahead.

Delighted to be proved wrong - but it's more likely that the manager after the new appointment heralds the new dawn.

Dyche is our recent record holder at 2 years in situ. Would be surprised if the next guy lasts longer than that.

When he oversees the sort of football that WHU fans couldn't wait to see the end of, despite them winning a trophy, maybe the penny will drop, but I doubt it.

I believe Baines and Coleman could do just as good a job until the end of the season.

There's talk of Moyes being offered a contract until the end of the season with a "bonus" of a contract extension should he avoid relegation.

Judging by Leighton's answer when asked about Moyes's possible return he doesn't seem too keen either, although he was very diplomatic.

It'll be a sad day indeed if Moyes comes back, IMO.

I just hope that if it is to be him, and there's ANY chance of him managing the club beyond the end of this season, that it's announced before the season ticket window opens for me.

So no more 40 minute Rock, Paper, Scissors discussions after half time as to making a sub/s ? :-)

The best football that I have seen in that time was Roberto Martinez's first season, where, by adding Lukaku, Barry and Deulofeu, he gave the solid defensive team that Moyes left the freedom to attack teams. The home and away victories over Moyes' Man Utd and the home thrashing of Arsenal stand out. We finished in 5th on 72 points and up until a late disaster at home v Palace in April were well in the hunt for Champions League footy.

The year we finished 4th on 61 points had some great moments, but also a lot (9) of KITAPI 1-0 wins. Our final goal difference of -1 also shows that we didn't go out and dominate teams.

Our worst footy played in all those years has easily been this season. Even "good" results were a result of backs to the wall defend at all costs performances where the result could easily have gone the other way - City and Arsenal sprint to mind.

I'd like to see some up and coming manager come in to get the best out of midfield and attackers. . . . our defense is still solid - obviously we're short in both full back positions (Patterson needs a long run of games and fitness), I think Mykolenko is probably too limited going forward and his heading is as good as mine.

He shit on his own doorstep, then did it again, so I would not want him back.

I know he was leaving for a 'bigger role' and many would do the same. But maybe with more grace and manners.

I am still laughing at your retort, sorry my post did not entertain !

I just hope my deeply Roman Catholic Irish mother is not reading this, as I have never been referred to as either teetotal or methodist

Have an excellent day, and lets all hope we make a good choice, and if it is Moyes, I am proven utterly incorrect !

The other thought I had was whether this would be another manager who would give Michael Keane a chance to see what he can do.

As others have said better than me, why can't we find the next big thing? I hate that lot across the park but there is some grudging admiration from me about how they do things. I'm not a European football expert but I'd never heard of Slot. He comes in and does an arguably better job that his so-called legendary predecessor.

Moyes isn't the answer but the who else would come?

So he might be the only answer, right or wrong.

Paul, that for me is the scary part.

I really, really haven't got a clue who could come in and turn things round for the rest of the season.

I'm just sick to death of the situation we find ourselves in yet again.

There's a feeling in Rome among the Roma fans, pundits and even journalists, that Ranieri has revived the team and brought the fans back onside - my fear as alluded to above, is that they envisage Moyes strolling back into Goodison, the fans all bowing at his feet while he pulls Everton up the division into mid-table obscurity and keeps us up.

Then next season (and this is the bit that really galls me) he rides into Bramley Moore on a golden chariot to the acclaim of the 52,888 and the circle is complete.

I do not want Moyes, though I don't really know who do I want either. Answers on a postcard.

We all know we need a clear out and a reset but we have to stay up.
TFG know this and so are hamstrung; we need to survive and it appears DM is a slightly better version of Dyche and so gives us a slightly better chance.

I think we’re all praying it’s only until the end of the season and then we can revert to TFG’s original plan.

He's not the messiah.

I loved South London, but hated Peckham, needing to call the police often to walk me from the front of the branch to my car to get home.

It's apparently much nicer now - with Elephant and Castle referred to as Elegant and Castle

Where was your wife based?

The prospect of that breaks my heart, it really does!

We don't have a CEO. We don't have a Director of Football who is more than likely to go past May.

Everton might really surprise me here and this whole thing has been a well thought through masterplan.

Thelwell is the man for the job with everyone's full support. They weren't really looking at both Bielsa and Dyche at the same time, it was just Dyche to help cut costs and carry the can until the new owners were in. They've spent the last two years building up a footballing strategy that can be implemented by a shortlist of managers that the club's staff have been painstakingly scouting and taking to over the last year. TFG have arrived and been pleasantly surprised by the work that's been done prior to the purchase and are ready to execute on the plan.

Anyone think that's likely? I don't for one second think it's even a possibility.

They say never go back we shall see.

At least we know we wont be winning at Anfield, Old Trafford, Etihad or Emirates for a while. Unless he has swapped that knife for a gun?

Where is our 2025 version? Because that's exactly what we need right now.

His impact is so underrated when "Dogs of War" gets rolled out. It underestimates what he achieved massively.

Possibly the best time of my life. What an inspirational Evertonian.

David Moyes could do a job in the short term but I would have thought that there is nothing David Moyes could do that someone like Massimiliano Allegri could do at least as well then kick on from there.

https://www.soccertutor.com/newsletters/download/Massimiliano-Allegri-Creating-and-Exploiting-Space-in-Final-Third.pdf

This guy is a winner and available.

This guy is a winner and available. Allegri in!

Now presumably the new owners knew this and called upon their collective experience at Roma and knowledge of european togger to scour the footballing world for a redeemer, prophet and miracle worker,the wilderness to no longer concern us.

The new man is aiming for the sun filled uplands of the promised land.

And I'm reading it's Moyes.

*packs suitcase

Having said that, I've never wanted him back and believe that going back is generally a bad habit that doesn't end well. I would have taken Potter in a hearbeat over Moyes. But that ship has sailed and looking at the options now I don't see one that makes more sense than the Moyesiah, on a short contract.

The team is poor. We are very much in another relegation battle and the players look fatigued and anxious to me. To change style dramatically mid-season could re-invigorate them but it could also terrify them and go horribly wrong given their low confidence etc. Moyes offers a similar pragmatism to Dyche but with a slightly better balance between defense and attack. He knows the club and might also help find some affordable options from the championship or elsewhere as he did so often in his first spell. The likes of Allegri or Sarri would be intruiging but we have no idea whether they would fancy drinking from such a poisoned chalice, more likely they could be contenders in the summer.

It's not what anyone dreamt of, but it might just be what we need. Get us safe this year and then this summer is the time to appoint someone to move us into a new phase, with a shiny stadium, funds to spend on players and hopefully a more entertaining style to watch.

While it seems he will want longer than 6 months, but lets wait and see what is and isn't agreed. Those who don't want him back I understand but tell me one person who we could get today who could turn this club around. Yes there are plenty of managers who we all might prefer, but if they are with a club, going to a club on the edge of relegation isn't one many would take.

Just finally I did hear from a quite reliable source that Dyche rang Friedkin after the Bournemouth game, and said I think I have taken this club as far as I can. At which point Friedkin said I accept your resignation, but Dyche said I am not resigning which gave friedkin little choice but to sack him. the guy who told me this was also definite that Baines and Coleman would be in charge for the Peterboro game.

But Dyche has clearly reached the end of his tether. He has looked and sounded more and more defeated and defiant, constantly returning to his refrain of "this is not the job I was sold". There was really nowhere else for the ownership, or the manager, to go.

But I can't agree with anyone who is diminishing Dyche's contribution. We are the only club with a negative net spend in the Premier League during his time at the club, he's had to deal with points deductions, ownership battles, constant money problems, and the demands of one of the most hard to please fan bases in the country. Our squad is almost totally devoid of quality and pace.

I listen to Seamus and his unyielding devotion to the club and I can see why Dyche can't go on. Everton remains a religion in an era of fickle, world-wide audiences for football. While the likes of Liverpool became an international brand, we are still a corner shop competing in a world of supermarkets.

And now we are looking for a new manager at a time when there are very few available, and even less who would take on a club in our position - yet again battling relegation, with a tiny squad of pensioners, rejects, and bad buys.

So, thanks Sean, you really did do your best, and I doubt that anyone would have got more out of what has been available to you in a league where even the smallest clubs are outspending you. Personally, I have absolutely no idea where we go from here. Short term or long term? High risk or low risk? Proven or unproven manager? A lot depends on whether the ownership are prepared to dip into the transfer market this month, or if anyone is even available to buy.

So, relief that Dyche has gone maybe, and possibly the only decision that could have been made. But the chances of us going down have been increased in my opinion. Because, if Dyche hadn't just been sacked, he'd be exactly the man we'd be turning to.

If any manager is good enough, this job is a great and lucrative opportunity.

However, TFG as Christine has pointed out somewhere, will probably make a short term “commercial decison” so it in all likelihood it will be David Moyes.

If that happens I’ll just have to swallow it like a necessary stepping stone because one way or another, by hook or by crook, we will be great again.

I have no idea what went wrong between close of business on Saturday and the sacking 3 hours before last night's tie but something that was not planned for occurred.

The new manager will be someone who the owners feel will best protect their investment by getting the most, in points terms, out of the current squad.

Mike G has said that the owners usually delegate and so in the normal course of events they would set out for the relevant person that they have appointed what the priority(s) is/are and let that person crack on with the task of hiring the new manager. It's too early in the ball game to have that person in place so they may well be depending on the current DOF to find the new manager.

Given the circumstance in which the club finds itself in this morning, none of the aces are held by the owners in the bargaining process which will now be taking place with the various candidates.

Those who do not want Moyes can console themselves with the possibility that he may not take on the job as the owners may not be able to meet his demands.

In my opinion, after a successful spell at West Ham, actually two successful terms there, he will be in no rush to take on an assignment where the talent available to him might not be much better than he had at Sunderland and did not go well for him.

According to his mates in the media he’s been ‘set to be appointed’ ever since Sam Allardyce was sent packing to sniff his own pants and pontificate about how he would shit all over Pep if the press would just let people forget he fucking loves a Walls sausage roll.

Every single time the job has come up in the last 8 years, Moyes has instantly been chucked in with the favourites with ‘insiders’ supposedly claiming he is in talks, being considered, about to be confirmed, already holed up in the building like Hans Gruber and stalking the halls with a sharpened spork…on the verge of blowing a blood vessel after some “silly wee bastard” from one of the ‘big clubs’ sent the lift down with a dead body inside and a note velcroed to it’s chest saying ‘Now we have a machine gun. Ho Ho Ho’.

Yesterday, nobody at all knew Dyche was about to be dismissed mere hours before a match was due to be played….not even a hint of it happening…but half an hour later everybody knew for sure, from impeccable ‘sources’, that Moyes was in for a meeting with Terry from TFG first thing in the morning and defo about to be named as the new Everton manager ‘as soon as tomorrow’.

It’s like simple length of tenure means the sensationalist twats will never let it lie.

While Kenwright was still around it was kind of understandable. It was a lazy shout that provided the press with an easy headline which, regardless of proof, always carried with it the possibility of perhaps coming true, due to the sentimental way the old tit prattled on about their long-term partnership and the fact he was loathe to end it in the first place.

Now though? Who would there be remaining in and around the club advocating for his return?

This is not what I wanted from the Friedkins.

Where is the plan? Where are the immediate couple of signings the team needs? It is all off the cuff and just as bad as it has been for years.

If someone had told me in 2020 that Everton will have 4 managers in the next 4 years named Benitez, Lampard, Dyche and then Moyes I would have been seriously worried about their sanity.

Meanwhile Ipswich have made a couple of good signings and have shown they can now beat a top side.

I have never been so depressed. This is a nightmare.

One scapegoat has gone. We await the new Messiah. I think deep down we all know there won’t be one until the club is in a position to compete in the transfer market.

Any of these other "experienced" and up coming "fancy" football guys would be a huge risk in a relegation battle in a league that would frighten the life out of many of them - they will come alright - for the money.

Realistically we do not have the players to play "fancy" football and we have no money to spend so unless we sell.

Moyes wants three years they are offering eighteen months -only a matter of time folks and I do believe it will give us all lift, unless we get hammered by Villa !!

And, to be honest, Baines doesn't strike me as the managerial type. Seamus, though I love him, is a great cheer-leader but probably not much more than that yet. As far as I'm aware he has done no coaching at all, and has yet to sit for any of his badges.

Ran down his contract after being tapped up by whiskey nose. Gushing about how he was only wearing jeans when he popped round to Fergie's house. The club doing nothing about the illegal approach either.

Talking about Felliani and Baines should be allowed to join a big club. This is after he spent 11 years talking us down and saying we were punching above our weigh, glass ceiling, knives in gunfights Yada FUCKING YADA.

The wanker made us being best of the rest acceptable and the standard we should be aiming for.
Whilst all the while he was being paid good money to serve up shite and convincing everyone he was making a silk purse out of sow's ear.

Despite the gloom I still believe that we have a half decent squad and should avoid relegation if applied properly. Please be positive guys, watch Kelly's Heroes and stop with the negative waves, or rre-read some of George Mc's old posts and look for cosmic waves

This and the new stadium next year when we will be playing on the banks of the ROYAL BLUE MERSEY in front of 52,000 fans. I am betting a few managers would want a slice of that pie.

Dycheosaurus, many thanks Sir, you did your upmost but you have looked a beaten man this year. I wish you well sir.

But a big fat Fuck Off to Dour Dave.
Sorry for the vent/rant but UTFT + COYB

Royle jumped to take on the Everton job when he got the call. He didn't even talk about his wages.

Moyes will haggle over his contract, and that is all he is concerned about.

Would take Michael Carrick over Moyes, without hesitation.

Well said mate.

I'm sick of the boring drab management we've had to put up with for years: Allardyce, Koeman, Benitez, Dyche… now Moyes – all cut from the same cloth.

I personally would leave Baines and Coleman in charge for the rest of the season then try and go for a young forward-thinking manager. Plenty out there if you do your homework.

Plus the fact Moyes isn't going to take less than an 18-month contract.

Moyes is on his way and I will bet he will get a great reception.

What we really need is six new very good players – not another manager; problem is, we know we won't get them.
How many times have we tried this approach, it's top players that win you games – not managers.

I suppose something had to change because it got to the point where we seemed incapable of scoring a goal, it all comes down to who do you blame for that.

We will see soon enough.

Six might be slightly overstating it but only slightly, what concerns me more is that the task of acquiring them just got that bit more complicated with the sacking of Dyche.

Talking of Dyche, he deserved better from the club than the statement that issued yesterday evening. I was giving out about West Ham and the way they treated their former manager earlier in the week but were we much better truth be told.

What can't be taken away from Dyche is that with a major negative spend over his period in charge and with two points deductions he kept us in the division.

I can't help but think that things really turned for the worse after the defeats at home to Bournemouth and away at Villa. That left its mark on the team and manager. He became ultra cautious after those defeats.

Personally, I'd have more faith in Moyes than any of the other cast that might have been mentioned.

If he'll do the job, he's a certainly as an interim appointment. I'd be disappointed if it was anything more than that.

The bigger issue is that we have been outbid (again) by Ipswich - for Philogene.

As ever the problems in the transfer market come down to money.

I expect TFG to bring in their own Manager and backing him with the immediate season and the future being the template in mind.I don't expect any of the usual speculatives to be in the hat.

Moyes, the ghost of Everton past.

A big no thank you for me. He will cut a decisive figure amongst the supporters. It's already starting to.

Genuinely don't know what to make of it. If things were rotten behind then scenes then Dyche had to go, and Moyes is a serviceable manager at this level. I can't escape the feeling that we're just rubbish, and Dyche was getting just about the best tune we could reasonably expect him to have gotten out of this squad.

If the dressing room was happy enough with Dyche, and he was up for the challenge, then I would suggest results thus far were not sufficient grounds for a change in manager.

The defining characteristics of Moyes' time at West Ham was poor results from a talented side. What's he's coming in to here is closer to what he inherited at Sunderland. I don't think there's much prospect of an upturn on fortunes under Moyes.

Ipswich fans will be delighted. Let's just hope there the financial headroom to bolster the squad, because last night (in particular, Young's brief cameo) highlighted how little quality we have.

After all the toss and dross of the Mosh years what we really need is a united EFC.

We may have been the peoples club but that was a long time ago now and things have changed. I think Moyes is taking a big risk if happy to take it on again.

Regardless of the way he moved on, and the poor results return when opportunities did arise during his spell here, I’m surprised that TFG are also prepared to take the risk.

Without much choice our fans will be divided unless a new manager can unite, and Moyes is on a hiding to nothing before he even starts. Of course I would get behind the team to keep us up, but then what? If he can deliver a trophy then I’m happy to sing his name.

Dyche had to go, but incoming Moyes with baggage just feels wrong to me.

New owners, same old Everton it seems.

A two year deal for Moyes makes more sense than a six month deal, as that will underpin his authority with the playing squad. A Six month deal would leave Moyes in the same situation as Dyche, with the clock running down and current first-teamers not having to give 100% and having an eye on the exit door.

I can't say that I'm at all happy about the return of Dour Davie, and even less happy that he'll be the guy to lead us into the new stadium. However, if he is appointed and he successfully keeps us in the top division then it will be mission accomplished, but a bright new dawn for Everton will have to be put on the back-burner for a good while longer.

I hope that when Moyes is replaced, if he comes at all, Everton and its leaders don't continue to be trapped in the mid 2000s and begin to cast their net further and wider for a manager who will transform the club to where we'd like it to be.

Stability could be the word, for stuck in the mud and Everton has been stuck in the mud, for what seems to be forever, and it will take more than a stick-in-the-mud personality to lead us out of it.

Particularly in January.

It's more about who is being made available - then fee, payment terms (ie willingness to accept payment on the drip) and wage demands.

Other than longer term development players (like Kinsky at Spurs and Soler at Bournemouth) there isn't a particularly big pool of players to go at.

I need to sound convincing at parties.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Or

Bringing Moyes back.

We still have not got a board set up yet with a search still going on for a C.E.O. There has been no hint that Dyche was about to leave but there was an inevitability that it was going to happen. So what burst the bubble yesterday. that the Friedkin Group's steady planning made a snap decisionwithout a backup in place.

Basically we are now looking for another S.Dyche to save us from relegation with a previous manager one of the favorites.

Regardless of who they bring in they are going to have to work with the squad that is available with maybe 1or 2 players brought in. So why don't we go with a more progressive manager instead of "someone who knows the club ".

All managers have different tactical styles of play but during the course of their career must study both defensive and attacking styles of play in preparing for a game. I suppose to put it in a military term, You don't advance your club in retreating.

Being safe or overly safe does not always work that is why we have accidents.

Should have put this on the never go back article

Moyes? no thanks, unless Carsley came too with Moyes moving upstairs in 6 months.

We needed to freshen things up and Dyche had to go, but he had got us 17 points from as many games. I doubt that Moyes will get us to 38 points by end of season. I can already see the excuses from Moyes- “the squad was threadbare when I came’, ‘no money to spend’, ‘the team was demoralised’, etc, etc. Just too depressing to even think that it might be dinosaur David Moyes who will lead us into our fantastic new stadium. I feel like crying.

It's all been said already here, re the impossible circumstances he operated in while miraculously keeping us in the Premier League etc, but in short, without Sean Dyche, we'd already be in the Championship – and near the bottom of it.

I see mentions and fears here of us now becoming the next Sunderland and that was my real fear before the Dyche appointment; we were definitely headed on that downward path.

Irrespective of all the views on Sean Dyche and managers, and that banter and exchange is still one of the good things across football, my view is that Thursday goes down as one of EFCs worst days.

To sack a manager within hours of an important game is just unheard of and impossible to justify; it shows scant respect for the club, the team, and the fans.

Likewise, irrespective of rumours and what did or didn't happen, not to include a word of thanks to the man after what he's done; I think someone here used the word ‘astonishing' – I'd go with disgraceful, petty and crass. A bad day for our great club and ominous if this is the way the new owners operate.

I remain a committed fan of Everton FC, regardless of who the owners that come and go are, but I genuinely feel, aside from the likes of Leicester City and Ipswich Town, who'll take great heart from it, that this diminishes our survival chances.

It's basically up to the players now to step up and give everything as a group to make that survival happen. COYB