Moyes set to succeed Dyche at Everton

Where is Tony Marsh when we need him?

As I said on the Never Go Back thread, how about Moyes and Carsley with the latter as long term manager?

The Ginger one returns to lead us into the new stadium.

Even Dear Bill couldn't create a better script than that!

Carsley has never ever stated he wants to be an International level manager for his whole career, has he?

I've always followed the Duke of Gloucester's words since I first read them at Bootle Tech/Hugh Baird: "As flies to wanton boys are we to th' gods: they kill us for their sport".

Jeff A, Carsley has never said that he has no interest in managing at the club-level, but it seems to me that he has made it clear that he would like to stick to the U21s for the time being.

U21s to club-level; or U21s to Ireland?

If it does happen, it will be pragmatism on the part of the owners and of Moyes himself. Not many clubs would take him on after being sacked twice by West Ham. For the owners, it would make sense to bring in Moyes as he is to some degree competent and would probably stand a greater chance of keeping Everton up.

Whether or not it happens will largely depend on a combination of money and commitment. Moyes will be looking for plenty of both, and the owners will certainly be looking to offer a reasonable amount of the former but as little as possible of the latter.

As for the fan reaction, well I didn't mind him terribly as a manager when he was here, though he had his faults, but it is difficult to find it anything other than disheartening. Still, we are in the brown stuff at the minute so maybe we'll have to be pragmatic and put up with it for a bit. COYB (I suppose)

Your view of signings with us and West-Ham is breathtakingly one-dimensional. Perhaps you could list each signing to make your point and we can all make our own minds up.

"Anyone who holds any bitterness towards him joining utd needs there [SIC] head testing".

I doubt that there (their?) are many who feel "bitter" (such a lazy and easy term here) a dozen years later. However, I imagine that there might well be more than a few who wonder at the gall of the man and, actually, for good footballing reasons, would prefer that Moyes did not come back for longer than six months.

This club will never learn, expected something different and perhaps radical from the new ownership in all honesty, very underwhelming and not even sure its a safe pair of hands. Hearing a 2 year contract on radio earlier.

And the fact is that he has never, ever sought a club managerial job in his entire coaching career. He filled in as a caretaker at Coventry, Brentford and Birmingham for ten games a decade or so ago. He was even Championship Manager of the Month at Brentford but left the job anyway.

Gavin #9, I'd call myself a strong Moyes supporter when he was here, but I'm completely depressed at the prospect of his return. This is the opposite of what I expected from TFG and I'm shocked that they'd even consider him except to keep us up. Still hoping the reports prove wrong.

But I think you're right about it being pure pragmatism. If everything I've read in the New York Times is right, Friedkin got shocked by his conversations with Dyche, whom he was planning to keep for a while, and had to sack him. The same thing happened at Roma when De Rossi suddenly blew up his relationship with the club president and they had to make an instant change. It didn't go well -- they got the wrong guy and eventually went back for Ranieri, who had managed Roma twice before and steadied the ship.

Maybe they're seeing Moyes as Everton's Ranieri. Beats me.

I agree with you he definitely signed some duds, but he also made some really astute signings, for us anyway.

He's a pragmatic choice for the situation we're in. Best I can say.

Moyes is expected to sign terms that will run until June 2027 and Everton a formal announcement is expected at some point on Saturday.

The Scot has spent the last 48 hours working on the make up of his backroom staff and he will be joined at Goodison Park by long-term ally Billy McKinlay.

If Dominic King is correct, it means that David Moyes was working on his backroom staff, prior to Sean Dyche's removal?

Moyes could do worse than bringing Cahill in as his number 2! It would at least smooth things over with the fanbase.

One thing is for sure - I think he will be directly involved in the transferring in of players - it will be interesting to see how it works out with Thelwell - Moyes, at least, was very good at picking up good players for a bargain!

If Moyes keeps us up it has been a good decision but I am very worried that he won't.

If we don't get a new manager bounce I am going to be extremely worried.

Two or three good signings are essential and I hope Moyes doesn't immediately think he can dispense with any of our best players. I also hope he does not arrive and try to be the big I am guy and fall out with some of the senior players.

Two tough games coming up so something of a baptism of fire. At least he should have a few training sessions.

A long-term deal for Moyes - June 2027, cripes thanks for that Fred - might well see a P45 for Thelwell (is it still P45? I've been away for too long.). Doesn't Moyes famously have a dim view of DOFs?

He inherited a squad that was destined for the championship and beyond when he first joined us and on a shoe string budget he transformed us into a top 6 side. He managed to get 4th with Marcus Bent up top, Marcus Bent (£400k may I add).

For me Moyes is a massive improvement on Sam, Martinez, Benitez, Lampard and Dyche.

As for when he left he went to the biggest club in the land after having his hands tied behind his back for a decade at us, and as for him sniffing around his old players I don't know many mangers who don't.

You call it rose tinted glasses, I call it practicality.

Lastly Paul, who would you like us to go and get for no fee ?

I'd also have liked to see us go down the Bournemouth or Brighton route and try a complete new dynamic, but again, maybe it's too much too soon for a badly damaged group, and a badly damaged club right now.

David Moyes won't be the name many would pick that's a fact.

But I do think there's a certain ignorance of the fact that he did do a pretty decent job making West Ham a pretty competitive football team and proved he still has an eye for a player.

I prefer to base my judgement on his West Ham time rather than his time at Everton because it's more recent, and I'm aware football has changed since 2013.

But he's clearly someone who is a good man manager and people like Leighton Baines who I respect very much speak so highly of him.

We may look back and say 11 years without a trophy but let's look at it this way, how many have gotten Everton Football Club to a Cup final since he's left anyway?

None.

We've not looked remotely like being a successful side and for 70 percent of those 12 years since Moyes left, we've been a struggling football team in the lower echelon.

Lord knows whether he'll get this crop of players playing, he might, he might not.

If he gets the job then fair enough, we have to back him, we have no choice.

I just want this club to finally start getting things right for once, start finally making some positive progress.

In fact, when Moshiri first began to seriously struggle I suggested that Terrible Timmy might make a great new Chairman. He certainly would have whipped that miserable Board into line instantly.

Also, what happened to Broja last night? Is he out for the season?

Those who wanted Dyche out now were naive to expect a different outcome given the recent takeover.

I don't think he'll get us relegated, so if it's just until the end of the season, fine. But if he's leading us into the new stadium, that'll be so depressing, and symbolic of all the wrong things.

So, it is pointless us bandying about names of managers we might wish to come and manage Everton, when we don't know,

a) if they have been approached and

b)f so, have declined to be interviewd etc. etc.

We cannot blame TFG for lack of imagination etc. when we don't know whom they have approached, or what response they might have had?

For all we know, the only applicant might be DM (or perhaps him and Allardyce).

It might not be a questions of a poor choice, but more one of no choice.

I could go over old ground/quotes etc.. but it’s not worth it now. Friedkin has played his hand and we’ll just have to grin and bear it. Hopefully, we won’t regret it.

Can he reach his magical 40 points ceiling? If he does, I will doff my cap to him.

TFG aren't interested in trying to understand the fans, it's purely financial. Take the fans with you or it's along way back hope I'm wrong.

People forget that the football between 07-13 was good, we had a lot of good players, and that the only thing which stopped us from breaking the top four was our potless chairman's inability to put his hand in his pocket and fund the team to the extent we needed.

Was I thrilled by his conduct as United manager? No. But he was doing what he could for his new team, and frankly, we could have done with a bit more of that ruthlessness from his successors. It's been twelve years, and it's time to close the wound.

He's categorically a better manager than Sean Dyche was (thank you for your work, sir, best of luck elsewhere), and I think Moyes will do fine, if shown some grace by the fanbase.

Sorry Anthony but you are still trotting out the narrative that was peddled and swallowed by many.

We were not punching above our weight and we had a decent squad that should have won more. Certainly reached a second cup final but he bottled it against the RS

The DOF mdel has not really gone well at Everton, in fact - Everton have wasted more money, been more profligate with this system in place than ever. With Moyes in charge, no matter what your opinion is of him, Everton very rarely wasted tonnes of money. Not all signings were up to the mark, but some - Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka, Coleman etc. were great value relatively.

Mike Gaynes 28

You may be right - it was just an out of the box idea - but a simple internet search produced this -

Tim Cahill, a former Australian soccer player, holds a UEFA Pro Licence and UEFA A, B, and C Coaching Licences. The UEFA Pro Licence is the highest level of football coaching certification in Europe

Now, he may be rich beyond belief - but sometimes a person has a passion - so, who knows, though I think unlikely!

The new owners aren’t stupid. He’ll be gone in the summer unless he really performs miracles. The contract situation will almost certainly have caveats on both sides. They’ll want their own man and they’ll get him. But they need it to be in this division so they’ve taken a pragmatic decision that through gritted teeth, seems sensible.

A lot of dissent but zero names of available managers who would take the job. I just hope he gets a good AM who challenges him and brings in a striker coach that Dyche famously didn’t need.

Zouma who is now on loan now at Al Orobah?

Ward-Prowse who is now on loan at Forest and does not exactly pile up the minutes?

Aguerd who is now on loan at Real Sociedad?

Behnrama who was shipped off to Lyon?

John, West-Ham season-ticket holder, one of the lads who works behind the bar at Ian McKellen's pub, The Grapes on Narrow St in Limehouse, would love to have a chat with you about Moyes and his wheelings and dealings at the Hammers. Moyes, also, whose team conceded 74 - SEVENTY-FOUR - goals in his final season.

Seriously, I could do better than Bent on Moyes with us. Would that be the year when we finished 4th with a plus one goal difference?

Who else? Why do you make "no fee" a stipulation? Fonseca? Trezic? Hoeness? Mills? Carrick? Frank? Halligan? Rohl? Hutter? Valverde? Arrasate?

I'm guessing any announcement would come from Chelsea rather than Everton.

Mike, hopefully Broja and Harrison will be returned to sender.

Would Dyche’s team have won 2-0 last night and have us into the next round?

I wasn’t too confident leading up to this tie, so maybe the timing was perfect.

Sensible post Peter

Mmmm… I can write a pretty long list of failures to match the successes. Not taking anything away from the likes of Baines, Pienaar, Cahill etc but after 11 years, some transfers will naturally have worked out. A lot also didn't….

Let's not try to rewrite history. Off the top of my head; Shandy Andy, Drenthe, Straq, Billysnailpace, Kroldup, Beattie, Bent etc.

Not to mention a centre mid dynamo pairing of Phil Neville and Johnny Heitinga and the numerous times we played a 460 formation.

At least try to keep it balanced maybe?

When McNeil, Garner and Iroegbunam are back, we will comfortably get 37 points, probably more. Moyes isn't guaranteed to save us... don't forget – he took Sunderland down in 2017.

That cracked me up mate:

"I can't imagine Moyes himself is altogether keen on the idea."

Taking dour to new depths lol

Exactly mate

As for the future, it doesn't seem like the biggest of changes from Dyche... hope I'm wrong. Would people have preferred Potter? I see him as higher risk, but potentially higher reward.

The VERY BEST Manager is, THE VERY BEST MANAGER !
Not some bloody Car Park Attendant to keep things neat and tidy for timebeing !!

Our future begins right now !
Not in six months time FFS.

This bloody addiction to "For Now" is like saying "We'll keep taking really small amounts of crack until the delusions get better".
And.
Then can We think more clearly.
And maybe everybody else is taking more than We might be !

NO !!!
A GOOD Manager is a GOOD Manager.
FFS
And some Car Park Attendant wastes yet more time and helps the lowering of achievement.

"Yes, it is piss and more expensive, but it's chilled and more diluted ! And there's plenty of it. So drink up and enjoy, things could be worse !".

Panic appointment imo showing very little planning. It seems TFGs Plan A was have Dyche get to the end of this season but there was no Plan B never mind C or D. Very Poor.

Was it just that the results were not good enough or was it that Dyche wanted 1 or 2 new players and his request was refused?

In which case, Dyche said that he was very doubtful he could keep us up without reinforcements, and that was enough to sack him.

All maybes, I'm sure we will get to hear in due course.

I think people are overstating how tough his job was at Everton and there is just no guarantee he can be equally as ‘successful' this time around.

Well, if he is returning then he gets backed but he's open to criticism as much as any and more than many due to his ‘previous'.
2 years! There just better have not been any other takers!

If he comes here, he clearly thinks he can do a job for us – I doubt if he'd risk his reputation otherwise. Meanwhile, Dyche is burnt out and can't take this squad any further. I can see why. Managing Everton has been a fucking nightmare since Moshiri took over.

He'll be here as long as he's here. Either he'll get us on a sound footing, in which case we'll all be delighted, or he won't and he'll be another one through the Revolving Blue Door.

We are an absolute shit-show of a club. If nothing else, I think it's fair to say that Moyes is a grown-up and will do the job without any fuss or excuses.

Who would you take on a free as Moyes was available without having to pay off a club – meaning we save money to spend it on players.

“Phil Neville and Johnny Heitinga”

Is that the Neville who'd walk into our present side and the Heitinga who was named Player of the Year at least once?

He had the best squad we had for years and earned more than any of them. In my opinion, he was never the best that our money could buy.

His latter years were wasted years. He sneaked off like a thief in the night and his return to our club is a blight on our history.

A cowardly appointment, if confirmed. No new dawn, no inspiration, just dour Davy fucking Moyes.

He transformed the club at a time we were on a sharp decline. Not his fault the club didn't back him with money but he did a fantastic job for the time he was there.

Bad ending admittedly but we were a horrible team to play against, especially at home, and we had an identity that has been missing for too long.

Answer reasonable points and questions put to you rather than the deflective avoidance answer a question with a question. When you have done this I will respond to your most recent question.

Cue the fume.

"He worked miracles on a shoestring budget and had us punching well above our weight."

What miracles were they exactly? To finish on average in 8th position but be the 7th highest spender? That seems to suggest we actually punched a little under our weight in his 11 years here.

For now, I would swap what we have for all of that. Sadly, it shows how far we have fallen.

West Ham fans were sick to death of him even though he won a trophy. His approach is boring.

If you think boring is stable, look back at the disasters Moyes oversaw at Sociedad, Sunderland, and Manchester United.

The stadium fans were generally tired of route one under Dyche. It wasn't working. To replace him with Moyes is actually stupid.

I was concerned by their decisions as Roma owners. This decision is worse still.

Worst run club in the Premier League.

Safe pair of hands? My arse.

This is a poor and less than imaginative appointment. When everything is going well for this manager, his absolute ceiling and the very pinnacle of what he can achieve is a run in a tinpot European competition.

Despite his dancing and self-adulation, absolutely nobody on planet earth was impressed with West Ham winning the Europa Conference League. If you look at the teams in contention to win it, you'd probably find that they were amongst the very highest spenders and therefore should be beating the mediocre opposition they were up against.

This is a manager who returned abject and complete failure at Real Sociedad, Sunderland and Manchester United. He was moved on from West Ham as he had started taking them backwards.

There was no sign after 2009 that Everton improved under his leadership, we went backwards. He creates a myth around him that his ceiling is the ceiling of the football club and that we should be grateful to have him.

His record away to Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United and Chelsea is absolutely abysmal and his record at home to these teams is not much better.

His record during his time at Everton against our closest rivals was astonishingly bad, even when we had a couple of seasons finishing above them in the league.

He is incapable of fielding a team with a striker that regularly scores goals.

When he has spent big money, he has nearly always spent badly.

All of this is the very best that he can build and that is if everything goes well and falls into place.

It is a hard No from me.

Yes eventually Everton under Moyes had the 7th highest wage bill but, for all of his time with us, Moyes worked with a very modest transfer kitty.

That's why people give him credit.

Neither would ‘walk into the current team' as a midfielder today either.

Baines, Coleman, Lescott, Jagielka, Pienaar, Stones, Howard, Fellaini, Arteta, Yakubu, Distan, Cahill, I mean do I really have to continue over our players he signed? Imo, Moyes signed better players on loan than most of our managers have bought for £20M+.

Over to West Ham, his 2 wide men would make almost any team in the land better (Bowen and Kudus), his playmaker is a Brazilian international (Paqueta) and walks in almost any team in the land. Cufal and Soucek for a combined fee of €10.5M looks a lot like good business to me also, so while he may have got some wrong, he has an eye for a player, and proved that time and time again at us.

Now I've answered you, can you please tell me who you think we can get for free?

I'll be taking a long break now. I hope you guys are not too disappointed.

Also, you might have the respect to acknowledge the more than a few who have dared to disagree.

Of course it had to be 2½ years rather than 2... no manager is gonna take a deal that expires in midseason... and I don't think he'll last it out anyway.

But the idea of a new stadium opening with a new team (9-12 players I believe, per contract and loan expirations) and a retread manager just makes me heartsick.

The only positive thing I can think of to say is... he'll keep us up. I think we would have stayed up anyway, but he's an improvement on Dyche at this point and he'll assure it.

But... ah, shit.

The situation we are in at the moment, we need a steady hand, And now is not the time to experiment with a younger, more modern manager.

Ipswich, Wolves, Crystal Palace are all playing better football than us and we need to start grinding out some results and points. So for me, Moyes is the answer.

According to you only a few short days ago, the Friedkins wouldn't even have heard of Moyes – let alone hire him as manager… er, wrong on both counts.

They've seen him as a safe pair of hands, me personally like a few on here, I'd never go back because I truly believe it'll end in tears. If he keeps us in the Premier League, fair enough, but let's not forget this is a man who West Ham have binned twice… and who took Sunderland down.

Really no one could do any worse than the clown we've just sacked, but still I'm a bit sceptical.

There's rumours flying around that Weir is set to replace Thelwell soon. If that's true, that's one move I'm more than happy with; he's done a boss job on the South Coast and is also an Everton legend.

I've also heard Irvine is coming with him, but again another rumour in the city of rumours.

So, Mr Gaynes, I think you'd better eat a large slice of humble pie with dinner tonight.

"We are proud to be the new custodians of your club. Together, we will usher Everton into a new era, one that is marked by ambition and professionalism. As stewards of Everton, we look forward to showing our commitment to the club through actions, not words".

Wankers.

Thanks for making us an even worse laughing-stock than we were this time last week.

Sky Sports saying only that they 'expect' him to be confirmed.

But let's see if my barrage of emails has the desired effect…

That you sat through the shite of Dycheball but, if Moyes comes in, you are taking a long break?

I'm totally baffled with that.

Remember he inadvertently delivered our first away win at Man Utd, once he'd gone there, another one for the credit column!!

I always liked the honesty I thought he demonstrated in interviews as our manager and it often contrasted with his peers at the time.

If it's him again, hopefully assisted by a younger model, we all need to let bygones be.

Good luck to him I say!

I am going to follow Marine til he pisses off.

I'm saying as one of the 12th man, so let's get behind the team.

Looking forward to the first TWebber to say "that's it, I'm not going to another game until he's gone!" and yet I guarantee you a full house at Goodison and a warm welcome for our new manager.

The Moyesiah is back.

Avoiding relegation is his number one goal. Nothing else matters.

We support also-rans and will be doing so for the foreseeable. In our position, David Moyes is as good as it gets.

You'll be sorely missed. Ah well, enjoy Marine.

A lot of people forget Kenwright hung Moyes out to dry, 2½ transfer windows without being able to buy anyone.

Resorted to having bring Big Denis in on a free, what a whole hearted player he was, limited but my god he'd bust a gut and loved by Evertonians.

Let's see how it rolls… he wouldn't have been my choice, but as the saying goes, time's a healer.

Europe
Top 5/6 on a regular basis
No money
Pride in the shirt, fight, commitment
Signings: Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, Baines, Carsley, Yakubu, Jagielka, Rooney, Johnson, Graveson etc.

Since he left, 15 years of utter shite.

Come on, give the guy a break!

And Doucoure is better than Heitinga? Midfield, defence, full back, tea lady?

Okay, if you say so… 🤣🤣

Zouma is just kicking on age-wise and his body is slowing down from injury, if you remember him at us, he was our best defender

Ward-Prowse walks into our current 11.

Augerd who's out on loan, plays week-in week-out for the 7th-placed team in Spain who are also in the Europa League.

Maybe I pushed it saying he nailed every transfer but when you're dealing with pennies to spend at us and you finish Top 7 a fair amount of times, you deserve credit for the players you bought.

Lastly, on the West Ham lads out on loan, can I also add they've been sent away by a manager who's lasted just 18 games, maybe he got some of them wrong!!

Again though, it's easy picking the bones out of my comments, can you answer my single question now??

Who would you want for no fee to manage us and keep us up?

I'm afraid you're not going to have any more fun at Rossett than you have at Goodison this season.

ERM: Top 5/6 on a regular basis

ERM: no money (exactly how did he buy those players?)

WTF: Signings: Rooney

You clearly know your stuff.

Enjoy watching the inevitable dross under Moyes.

You deserve it.

UTFT

Sorry, Pep, Klopp or any other world class manager wasn't approached. They would have been chomping at the bit to get here.

He also spent in the last couple of years £120M on:

Nicola Vlasic
Kurt Zouma
Gianluca Scamacca
James Ward-Prowse

He was the 7th biggest spender with an average 8th place finish.

No it's fecking not. It is a 30-month contract. We would have stayed up with Dyche.

Not at all, Anthony.

Even Dyche admitted he couldn't take these players any further.

Four times at least, no? That's pretty regularly by the standards set before him. Or recently. But I accept we all have a different definition of 'regularly'. My point was that it was a pretty significant transformation, and personally I'm grateful.

But I'm still gutted he's back.

Looks old, doesn't he? Sixty one? Looks more like a hundred and sixty one, or he will do after he takes the first training session and sees Doucoure's first touch up close.

Will Michael Kenrick ever write another vaguely balanced match report again? Concerned Toffee Webbers need to know.

COYB.

As for humble pie, I'd say we're all chowing down tonight.

Re Weir, agreed... I think Thelwell deserves to stay, but "deserves" doesn't much matter, and either Weir or the also-rumored Dan Ashworth would be excellent choices.

Jimmy #134, that was my first thought too when I saw the photo. He looks a bit decrepit. My grandfather looked better at 84.

"Gutted". Yes. Amazing, he hasn't walked in through the front door yet and the signs are without doubt ominous,

At least Lyndon’s photo of him Jimmy is better than the Nosferatu photo Michael Kendrick managed to drag up.

‘We would have stayed up with Dyche’

Hmmm are you sure Paul

https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlyterrifying/comments/sjfzsk/the_other_day_i_googled_young_david_Moyes_a/

😂🤣

With Moyes coming back I think our lucks about to change... they'll probably find the Arteta money there.

He's a good solid manager. Couldn't take us further when he left us. We're the ones who have sunk below him.

We were never going to get the young reset manager in January, were we? They'd all be way too sensible to risk this job now rather than wait till the summer.

And if you think anyone of any stature would sign a six month contract, I've got a few things to sell to you.

Take em as you find em, that's my take. Let's see what he does.

TFG now really need to impose their culture on Everton. A culture of accountability and performance targets.

It seems that TFG want survival in the Premier League as an objective. Hope they are more ambitious in the commercial side of the business.

I hope Moyes does not come out with "the People's Club" sop. That would make me throw up.

Kenwright up there will be laughing his head off.

I have said as much on here in the past. This appointment really is testing my love of the Blues.

I totally understand appointing yet another firefighter who knows the Premier League. We all know what is going to happen over the next 2½ years if he lasts that long.

Dour football by a dour manager.

Very uninspiring from our new owners.

I don't think that there will be a "consensus" in and around the ground on Wednesday, even if a good chunk of the crowd dutifully, respectfully, and "Well I ain't gonna boo" applaud him.

Completely agree on "accountability and performance targets". That is the only way forwards. I think that Thelwell will soon be toast if the returning one gets his way.

Me, I am indifferent to it, thought the new owners would have some imagination.

My prediction, he keeps us up; next season, we have an awful start and he is sacked by October.

It may just be clickbait.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Moyes move to a DoF role after a bit and make way for someone else.

"No we wouldnt have stayed up with Dyche".

Gibberish spouted by a man who has consistently gotten his predictions wrong to the point of comedy

Despite overcoming horrendous individual errors that shattered the start. Despite struggling to score goals. Despite the other teams having one less chance of getting three points. We have not been in the bottom three. Our goal difference is currently worth another point and we have key players coming back. The second half of the season was always going to be better than the first.

Another cowardly/safe prediction because you know you cant be proven wrong, Just remember. your record for not being right also stays perfectly intact.

Moyes is another of yesterday's men, just like Allardyce, Benitez and Dyche playing anti-fooball, no goalscoring, KITAP1, "knife to a gunfight" bollocks.

Backwards step big time… and I genuinely think we are now Sunderland Mk 2. A basket-case of a club appointing Moyes to keep us up.

Just hope I'm wrong on this but this could be the final nail in our relegation coffin. The irony of him taking us down will be full circle from Walter Smith.

Devastated

It is funny when you think of the number of posters who told us how professional and ruthless the American Friedkin Group would be and how the Everton "old guard" would be swept away in a tsunami of forward-looking professionalism.

Cometh the hour, please step forward... Davey Moyes.

He's got a slightly better chance of keeping us up than Dyche and it's a high-stakes game.

The fucking ghost of Everton past? Kenwright ? or his legacy's, Baines? Chong? Whoever recommended Dour Davey needs putting in a little black book.

For future reference.

We're going to need the bear-pit atmosphere to get us over the line this season, the last thing we need is a divided fanbase.

After all… they know the club.

Let's see how it all plays out. Seems the lowest risk move by TFG to me and I'd be very surprised if he sees out that 2½-year contract unless he does exceptionally well.

It may be that the players we can (or can't) bring in this month are more important than which ginger pragmatist is at the wheel.

Would have far preferred Potter myself, I think he’ll do well at West Ham.

Hopefully the insanity is over.

I have spoken with 6 mates so far back home in Liverpool and each one of them hates what is happening but not one of them would dream of expressing this on Wednesday.

They will clap accordingly, respectfully, and grudgingly. There will be many more there who will clap through tightly gritted teeth, as they did in his last farewell.

We keep on making the same mistakes and constantly looking to the past! Absolutely shocking decision!

You should give us an update when you feel like it about where we can see you these days on screen or stage.

Then eventually we can move on and bring a more positive manager in. Come on, boys and girls – it's go Moyes or go down.

Prior to David Moyes, Everton averaged 47 points, finishing position 11th.

During Moyes's tenure, they averaged 58 points, position 8th.

During Martinez, they kept this average going (3 seasons).

After Martinez, during the Moshiri era, with all the managerial changes, they've averaged 48 points, position 12th, ie, broadly reverted to the pre-Moyes era.

Based on these actual performance data, it's hard to argue against Moyes being appointed again, although obviously people have subjective opinions that, for them, may take preference over the actual performance data.

So not a done deal, but it is, but TFG are looking at other candidates? Specifically, those with previous experience of managing in the Premier League?

Secondly, does this mean that Thelwell is done too? Despite not having a cordial working relationship with Dyche due to issues regards Dyche ignoring information provided in multi-team meetings; and his tactics.

I genuinely, and realistically cannot see that Thelwell, if asked his opinion, came up with Moyes as our 'saviour'; if he did, he does need to be released.

I'm still (desperately) hopeful of a different appointment...

We can all breathe easier now.

Fuck me.. does anybody actually watch football these days.

We’d all like great football, but at the moment results are the priority, right?

I’m undecided as to whether i’m going to keep my Evertonian - life machine switched on, but please David, go and win the cup for Bill🤷‍♂️💙

Lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place and come to think of it there wasn't much lightning in his previous (ten year) stint

He was available because nobody else wanted him and he was quite willing to live off the big severance packages from previous clubs he failed at. God help us, please.

Apologies to all concerned 🙄

Those three 0-0s kept him employed in December.

It will be interesting to hear how it all went down on that Cup Tie afternoon, it will come out eventually - it always does.

Anyway looks like Moyes (yikes) You would think to have enough clout over the players that a 19 game (plus cup ties) contract is not a very big stick and that 18mths would be the minimum.

So maybe we wait for the Full details to be announced...if indeed they ever are.

I was never Moyes greatest fan.

He's not The Moyesiah - he's just a slightly better version of Dyche.

Both of them have never seen a 0-0 they didn't like.

But in our present circumstances, being slightly better than Dyches 0.89pts over 19 games...say 1.1 pts per game over his 19...is all he has to do.

Given Moyes's record of allegedly ruining strikers I can't see DCL having a change of heart - but you never know.

Back to the old 4-6 KIPTAP1 formation (sighs) - can Beto do a Cahill / Fellaini?

Oh and there's the remains of the Window to navigate as well.

Let's hope that Moyes still has a digital version of his old 20ft long white board full of players names, strengths, costs and he can pull out modern versions of Arteta, Fellaini, Lescott, Baines, Coleman, or even a Beckford.

Some none Texican footballing expert...Thelwell, (Jim Whyte?) A.N. Other...is obviously advising TFG on this. They must've missed Kendall Mk II & III

W. Kenwight (deceased) will be laughing his head off at the possibility of Moyes leading the team out at BMD.

You couldn’t make this shit up - Only at Everton.

Football has changed so much since Moyes last managed Everton. I'll only go by his recent records with West Ham. I think it's pretty good. Not sure if it's his pick. But the like of buying Bowen and Souscek stands out.

Good luck Moyes.

The second thing we are used to is being given divisive managers.

The third thing we are used to is relegation battles.

The last thirty years have delivered very little, and to cap it all off, once again we are stuck with Moyes.

Just watching premier league icons and my thoughts are that the Man Utd fans got more pleasure out of watching David Beckham, (one fucking player) than any of us have had out of watching Everton, these last thirty years.

The best thing is that he has the respect of Baines and Coleman and that should carry a message throughout the squad.

Where has Moyes ever "proven to be good at" winning relegation battles?

Why not ask Sunderland fans about that? And how many times was he actually involved in relegation battles with us? Ask any Real Sociedad fan why they were happy to get rid of him?

Moyes is not a "proven" fireman.

P.S. Bowen is not coming to Everton. If my West Ham fan mate is right, Moyes never had a warm relationship with the dressing room. Functional, but not I'd go wherever he goes.

It is easy to suggest more attractive replacements but, as my mum would say, "he will do".

This fucking club is a basket-case, run by fucking idiots. Koeman, Fat Sam, the Fat Spanish Waiter… are they next in line to come back?

What a sorry fucking mess this club is!

The thought of Moyes seeing out the final season at Goodison is too depressing to put into words.

I can only hope that after we successfully avoid relegation in May (even I expect Moyes to achieve that much), TFG's plan is to sack him and appoint a manager for the long term.

It is too painful to contemplate that Moyes could seriously be in charge when the new stadium opens in August.

Bit of banter never did any harm.

I get you aren't happy with Moyes, me myself he might not be my first choice but I ask you again who do you want as the new manager, someone who we don't have to pay a club off for ?

I've asked you this many times now, still no answer !?!?

And then we’ll be SARRI!

I wish David Moyes every success and suggest we all get behind him and help play a part in making Everton safe and becoming a more stable club where relegation is not even a thought.

In 2008, we were probably the best team in the Europa League and if we'd won those penalties v Fiorentina, we could have won it, having already beaten eventual winners Zenit. Ithink we were 5th twice on the trot including 2009 when we lacked the spine of the team in Jags, Arteta and Yak in the cup final v Chelsea. Overall, the standard of both signings and quality of player (eg, Cahill Arteta, Coleman, Jags, Pienaar etc) was significantly better than what we saw in the Moshiri years. I would be more than happy if he could get us into Europe and win the Europa conference like he recently did at West Ham.

Between 84 and 95, we reached 7major finals and 4 top 4 finishes. Moyes level was nowhere near those standards but he was by some distance our best manager this century. I wish him every success. Hopefully, he can bring a young progressive coach like Catsley with him. Don't nt be surprised if DOF role either falls to him in time if he succeeds. Can't see him wanting Kevin Thelwell picking his players for him. Nobody will be punching the air like I remember doing when Howard returned Nov 1990, but the Friedkins clearly wanted a free agent. I've not seen too many quality, experienced alternative names presented on here tonight. Let's hope he can stabilise, we move to Bramley Moore get securely in the top half and then the club coukd look to kick on in a new direction.

In my dreams, I would love Poch to come to be our Manager. In reality, based on the fact that Moyes won't need to be bought out of a contract, and therefore not flirting with breaking FFP or PSR rules again, he is a pretty safe pair of hands too. This makes him the practical choice for now, but not to take our club to the next level. Perhaps a contract until we could lure Thomas Frank from Brentford when his contract finishes, and not have to pay a fortune in compensation to his present club? Perhaps, like it or not, Moyes is the solution to our current predicament on more than 1 front.
I am neutral on Moyes coming, and would feel quite happy about it if we also got Lee Carsley in with the deal. Moyes may be a defensive minded Manager, but Jeez, the football under him in his previous reign was nowhere near as bad as the dire stuff we have endured under Dyche.
Why was Mourinho ever in the picture? He was sacked at Roma by our new owners, wasn't he? Plus he is Benitez mark 2 ( without the Redshite connection). His winning trophy days are mostly behind him. His style of football is negative and outdated and in addition he is basically a pr1ck. Not somebody I would want in our dug out, or representing our club going forward. There is a reason no other Premier league club will touch him now, again like Benitez. Thankfully, he seems to be out of the picture.
So hang on to your hats you Bluenoses. We are in for another rollercoaster ride. Stock up now on the Kalms !

The problem isn't the lack of answer.. it's you daft question thats the problem.

We as fans are not decision makers.. we are in the expectation business.. and I for one, expect fucking better.. and so should you.

I will call that and raise you Carlo and his 41% winning record!

Karen 204, sorry, but we yanks are happy to have our first real national team manager capable of winning something, and we’re keeping Poch!!

I want better, I want us to be Real Madrid, but I understand where we are at, I sit with my 2 lads and my dad every home game in the park end and watch the shit show we produce week in week out.

well, someone still holds a candle for him and has influence, any better guesses?

In what world does twice equal "many!?!?" You did not respond to my request for what you did not do which was to comment on the information from me and others that you chose to ignore. And again in 201: "still no answer !?!?"

I think that I have made my choice perfectly clear. I asked why no fee? I myself would not wish to stoop so low to have only this expectation of my club. I responded to your original question with the requested list of suggestions.

How about this. One last time. And then please go away. It's bedtime.

I believe that your question has no rationale. It is in fact somewhat dumb and not worth persisting with, although you appear to think that with it you have some sort of grip/hold to hang over me. You don't. I do not believe that we need to be discussing other "no fee" options because if Moyes does not end up in the job my expectation is that "no fee" would not be be in any shape or form a top priority.

OK?

Jeez!

Anyway I'm looking forward to taking my seat at Goodison far more than I have in a long time. Moyes or Dyche? I'll take Moyes every time.

What a fucking disappointment.

Jonathan 209 not for me, it's nothing to do with his disrespect - I felt he stayed on for 5 or 6 years too long last time. If he's here for the start of next season then all my optimism for TFG is gone. We will forever be unexcited and unexciting.

I hope it turns out well for all our benefit.

A quick question for all of you; Once Moyes is gone for good, will you be praying for another resurrection or will that be it?

As I've told you we can't pay a fee for a new manager as the little money we have needs spending on players, I'm not sure how you don't know that seem as your so knowledgeable.

You seem really good at dodging my single question so I'll take it you have no preference, in fact you just want to moan about Moyes.

I'd prefer pep myself, and some mega rich owners who had a way around the PSR, but we have what we have and imo Moyes isn't the worst choice, I think he's head and shoulders above our last few managers.

Anyway you seem to have no answer, just complaints so best leave it.

On the one hand, Moyes did a decent job first time around. I’d give anything to get the Champions League qualifying round, FA Cup Final and best Liverpool in the semis again. To finish in the bottom half only twice under a manager’s tenure.

On the other hand, can he motivate this squad to survival? Is he a bit of a dinosaur in modern football? Probably no moreso than Dyche.

It’s an uninspiring appointment but that doesn’t make it the wrong one. To take any other available manager at this point would be just as risky. Moyes is no less likely to keep us up then Fonseca, Carsley or even Mourinho.

With all that said, it looks like a done deal. I firmly believe that it was the unwavering and vociferous support from the stands that has kept us in the Premier League these last few seasons. The blue smoke. The raucous receptions at the team coach’s arrival. And as such, the best we can do is absolutely get behind the manager and the team. And let’s hope that TFG, Thelwell and Moyes do what’s necessary in the transfer window.

It’s just another chapter in our history. Let’s hope it’s a positive one.

Jason #211, Friedkin is among the 400 richest men in the world. Why do you care where he throws his money? The point to me is wins. Not how much our owner pays for a manager.

Anthony #208, you didn't ask me but my top 3 of currently unemployed managers who I'd love to see show up for tomorrow's press conference instead of Moyes (leaving out Zidane and Xavi, who are beyond us) would be, in order, Terzic, Allegri and Sarri.

I'd love our club to bring in a young manager who has it all, but unless a manager has worked in the prem I look at the squad we have and wonder if anyone can keep them up. Ipswich are on the rise, and along with them we are one of probably four who will probably go down.

I'd like to think once we are steady, Moyes will leave us with better players than what he inherited (as he did last time), and the next manager can add something to that which will catapult us into the top bracket of premier league football, but for now mate we are awful and imo Moyes can steady that.

Or that of the out of contract managers out there, all the potentially better options wanted no part of us or would’ve been too risky for a relegation battle.

Of course we’ll never know how someone else would’ve played out, but I do think there’s a plausible defense of Moyes given the circumstances. Even if his appointment is clearly dividing a fan base that could use some unity.

Now if you do not understand exactly how your question has zero rationale, and as others have told you is dumb, then there is little point wasting my time and intelligence on you and it.

If there is such a thing as reincarnation you must have been an adept housefly in a former life and you have to be in this present one the "commander" of a neighbourhood watch and collect train memorabilia or pothole covers,

Andy #232, we may never know the answer to that question. Maybe Sarri or Allegri or whoever didn't want to take over at midseason with no notice (lots of managers won't) and Moyes was the only one who would. Once Dyche blew himself up with the new owners, we needed somebody immediately. And if Moyes wasn't the first choice, nobody involved will ever admit it.

Anthony #227, that I'm sure is the precise reasoning behind Moyes' hiring.

I have little doubt we'll be a better team in a month, thanks to the return of three injured starters and the improvement of our best young player (who I personally believe is still hampered by his injury). And I still expect some new faces in the window.

As long as Moyes puts the necessary points on the scoreboard, I don't care if he gets the credit for it. We'll stay up, and that's all that matters.

But IMO our new era is beginning with a real clunker.

I get ut now mate, it's perfectly clear.
You waited 230 messages sat at your keyboard waiting for someone to give a few names then you jump on them as your own.
Funny you.

Sarri
As far as I know he's employed by Lazio, again we have no money because of PSR (Jeez how many times)

Terzic
I'd like to have seen that, but let's be honest he will get better options. Also it's a huge risk as he's never managed in England before and will inherit a dog shit paper thin squad.
Very risky mid season.

Best of luck to you during this hard few days of the month you must be having.

Take care hun xx

I’m disappointed with this living in the past step.

Moyes did decent job when he first came in. He gave us a few good moments, and one or two decent teams, but a lot of the time we were watching KITAN1, which wasn’t easy on the eye.

I started turning around 2010. Some reasons:

It was clear he hit his glass ceiling and couldn’t take us further.
Final straw(s) being being humiliated by Wigan in the FA Cup at Goodson and then weakly surrendering to that lot at Wembley 1-0 up with them there for the taking. But no, we sat back for an entire half to hold on for the 1 - 0. We all know the outcome.
The master of playing down expectation and designer of plucky little Everton.
And the manner in which he left. Okay, he got his big chance, I don’t deny him that. But the worst kept secret in football that he was talking to Sir Alex from January but kept denying it. He lied to us.

I’ve been consistent. No to cousin Moyes for me.

Hopefully a short stop gap. Stay up and then the big reset in the summer.

The club needs to think different. I love our club, but we need a new Everton, not one dwelling in the past.

He can’t even complete that! It’s like whoever’s in charge of confirming the horrible news is getting the most happiness out of the torture this is proving to be.

He can’t even win, in what proves to be our torture!

Good God! Did I really just read this? Is this 2025? What deep sensitivity to women. Sounds like you're a cuck and sub Mr. Dwyer. There will be a pair of rams/cuckold horns on your door when you wake up and me and the local lads are planning a charivari/skimmington ride with rough music.

Again !!!
This is another Howard Kendall- u-like joke return.

Moyes has nothing to offer.
Nothing whatsoever.

A woeful threadbare squad (with the exception of Pickford / Branthwaite and Ndiaye) which we know only too well, is not going to be rejuvenated into something it isn't.

Big worry regarding his record post Utd.
At a poorly performing Sociadad he managed them to average mediocrity before being sacked after a couple of games the following season which he lost.

Sunderland, not good and he took them down after he replaced piss poor Allardyce, who dropped them into a relegation struggle. That stint is probably more similar to ours now at Everton.
He walked away from that mess after relegation.

His next venture, West Ham x2.
They had a way better squad than ours. Both times. Including goalscorers.
1st time he lifted them to safety. His contract expired. He wasnt given another.

What stands out in his return is that the vast majority of hammers fans disliked Moyes (even after winning a european trophy and keeping them up the table. His style of play being way too negative, despite a squad full of attacking talent.
His contract was not renewed after expiry.

So now us.

He was boring, unadventurous and lacked any creativity 1st time.
I named him Dilly Dally David for his dithering and lack of ability surrounding substitutions in matches.
So often knee jerk reacting after going behind, when it was obvious change was required. A frequently disastrous trait he has. IMO he was and is way worse than Dyche on that one.
He has 0 ability with inter personal skills. Especially players. He and Dyche cut from the same cloth there.

This is the worst start to the Freidkin takeover.

Nuff said.

COYB

"Despite having won nothing for 30 years (chuckles) Everton fans continue to think Everton should be winning things" They never trouble themselves to lay bare the various reasons why we have been serial failures when it was previously otherwise.

"Moyes did a fantastic job in his 11 years at Everton, bringing stability and European football"

They are so invested in the status quo it is sickening. Moyes pretty much invented the glass ceiling mentality at Everton and they absolutely love him for it.

Any player we ever have who has a good season needs to move to a bigger club. We mustn't hold them back. If we ever do hit the managerial jackpot (and Christ knows we haven't on this spin!), he'll immediately be touted for, take your pick from, United, City, or Spurs. The latter who share our aversion to winning trophies but have a support who are inexplicably entitled to expect more.

I pray the new stadium and, despite being immediately underwhelmed by them, the new owners are the beginning of a long term and tangible change in our fortunes. But the game will still be bent and pundits will still be spouting the same self righteous shit.

It's draining being a football fan these days, and that territory is not exclusive to Evertonians. There is a top tier competition and all other teams are nothing more than supporting cast and a ready production line.

I agree with every word you have written

DM: “But Morag, a hink this time it’ll be different, am mair experienced the noo, ah know wheer ah went wrang last time.”

Morag: “Is that a fact? Is that a fuckin’ fact? Davey, have ye ever heard the expression ‘a leopard cannae change it’s spots’?”

DM: “Aye.”

Morag: “Well that expression cud just as easily be - ‘a safety-first, defensive-minded presbyterian Scottish football manager can’t suddenly be César Luis fuckin’ Menotti’.”

DM: “Whit? Am no with ye.”

Morag: “Davey you’ve been a great provider, me and the weans have wanted for nothin’ - holidays in Peebles every year, lovely beige cardigans and slippers, a brand new family Volvo every 5 years - wiv lived like the fuckin’ Kardashians, but you need to know when yer pushin’ yer luck and riskin’ everything and am tellin’ ye the noo, returning tae Everton would DEFINITELY be pushing yer - OOR - luck. And don’t ferget, that fat-headed fan-boy o’ yours is no there any mair. You’d be dealing ‘wi American corporate folk who know whit they’re daein and who’ll eat ye for breakfast if ye fuck up - which, with yoor record, is guaranfuckinteed”

DM: “But they’re offering me…”

Moyes looks around suspiciously, puts his fingers to his lips and writes down a figure on a slip of paper. He hands her the slip of paper. Her eyes light up

Morag: “For fuck’s sake ye big daftie, call ‘em and tell ‘em yes, right NOO!”

DM picks up his mobile.

Morag (turns to camera): “Everton and the Moyes family. It’s like an abusive relationship (she smiles) and we’re the wans daein’ the abusin''."

(nb: I couldn't resist...and I now consider us relegated and to all intents and purposes, a Championship side)

Josh, you honed in on one of my pet hates, Robbie Savage and Chris Sutton chastising and castigating blues on 606 who go to matches and dare to criticise Dyche because they too, like Dyche, belong to the tight-knit former pro-players support club.

They know what is better for our club and what the issues on the pitch are better than someone who never misses a match, And it will, needless to say, be the same with Moyes, who is the "ideal" manager to push Everton on and we are so lucky to find "the right man at the right place and time". But is a thirty-month contract long enough for someone with the experience and wisdom of Moyes who did a brilliant job first time round and was unlucky in his deserved move (promotion) to Old Trafford where he was let down and unsupported by trigger happy owners.

I'm still hoping that there is a slight possibility that something goes wrong and hops in his Hillman Imp back to Lytham-St.-Annes. But that is not going to happen is it?

Eugene (251). Welcome! Thank goodness you're here!

Sarri quit at Lazio 10 months ago and is a friend of the Friedkins.

Allegri did not win Serie A last season... he was sacked after finishing 3rd, a disgraceful 23 points off the pace, after ending 7th the year before. He has expressed Prem ambitions.

Re Terzic, that's exactly what I said in my post, that many managers won't accept a job in midseason with no notice. Maybe we'll find out someday that all three of these declined (Sarri rejected AC Milan last week for that exact reason) and Moyes was next in line.

I'm not saying any of them will show up in the morning. I was just expressing my choices. You don't like 'em, cruise, mate.

I clapped at his last last match even though I had come to utterly dislike him and had told myself that I would not. Six of my season-ticket holder mates feel exactly the same way. They are mortified by this appointment if it happens but will ruefully and reluctantly even resentfully applaud on Wednesday for the sake of the players and our thin veneer of club harmony.

Moyes “clearly loves the club”.

Really? “Clearly”? We’ll take your word for it, shall we? I don’t believe that for one second. I do know that he disrespected the club and I for one would not disrespect someone or something that I loved.

“Don’t go back they say but Howard Kendall did”..

And how exactly did that work out Dan?

“The reason we got into trouble is Moshiri listened to the bed sheet wankers”.

Do you want to put that into English for me/us. Who are these erm “bed sheet wankers”, what exactly is a “bed sheet wanker”, and how exactly did Moshiri listen to them?

24 hours later I am still trying to think of one!

If Moyes keeps us up this season and I firmly believe Dyche wouldn’t have surely he deserves the chance to build a successful Everton side.

He is the best available manager for us right now and while he is not one for the future it’s the here and now that needs sorting out.

So I urge all Evertonians to welcome him back and see where it takes us.

I thought it was a classic sickly Kenwright production... with us unfortunately cast as the small town club the kid was leaving to prove himself on the big stage.

Anyway, I'm a believer that there isn't just a 'best manager'. You need different managers at different times. Hopefully there's a time in the future where we need a manager who can make the leap to being challengers. That's probably not Moyes. But that's also not where we are now.

We need to stay up (which I think we will) and start to rebuild. I think that's where Moyes operates best. He's actually pragmatic, unlike the ideological Dyche (a crap ideology, but he stuck with it regardless). He is a strong leader, will represent the team's needs to club leadership, he'll embed a culture and identity, he's a good judge of player acquisitions.

Ideally it would be a relatively short term appointment but commercial realities might dictate otherwise. But I'd love to see him do the job he's done before... before handing over the reigns to someone who can win things.

It is simply a regressive and hugely divisive appointment, demonstrating that TFG have no understanding of the club they have purchased. Friedkin has already begun to mirror Moshiri and ir is only 2 weeks in.

The one person at the club who should clear his desk by Monday is Thelwell. He is the man who is responsible for the managerial succession planning at the club.

If the outcome of his work is the hiring of a 61 year old who left the club under a cloud 12 years ago, then gather your picture of the missus and kids, pack up your A-Z of How to Be a DoF and do one.

Who exactly are you referring to Dan? Your fellow supporters?

Allegedly; (translation via Parliamo Glaswegian)..."I'm here to deal with the 'present now' not the previous past. I will give every player a clean sheet and judge as I find while hoping that you - the fans, can extend the same courtesy to me."

Won't happen.

Edit; I look forward to John Daley's and / or Eugene's latest episode in the 'David & Morag Chronicles' - 'Finch Farm Redux'

These are your fellow supporters who just have a different opinion from you. I am sure they are true blues to a man.

From the moment Moyes walks through the door, every Evertonian will be wishing him success. The issue will be if he doesn’t get results quickly, as there is no great depth of support out there for him.

Are you seriously being serious? Do you seriously believe that 5-10 people with two banners let Moshiri “drive his decision making”? Take a minute, think about it.

This is madness, never mind the crass and pathetic “bed sheet wankers”; good blues who care enough to do something. Moshiri would not even have seen these protests. He was not at the match.

How do you know that Moshiri “listened” (SIC) to the two banners, although maybe your mates with Sean Kearns and believe that there were spies and moles everywhere.

This is nuts.

And just suppose that Moshiri was leaving the Winslow after drinks all round and bumped into the “bed sheet wankers”, do you think that this arrogant, uncaring, and conceited fella would have taken the slightest bit of notice apart from a smug deprecating smile? This is someone who wouldn’t listen to anyone about Benitez.

You forgot to respond to my two other points Dan.

However, Steve #273, key point in your last paragraph about what happens if Moyes doesn't get prompt results. At Roma, Juric was brought in for De Rossi, failed to improve anything and the Friedkins sacked him after just 12 games. But he only had a one-year contract, and he joined Saints immediately so there was no payoff needed.

I wonder what the Friedkins can do if Moyes craps out. His contract runs 30 months. That's big coin. Would we be butting up against another PSR violation if they had to pay him off as they do Dyche? Does anybody know?

All the newspaper reports say that plan A for TFG was to have Dyche see out his contract. Plan B is Moyes. I don't think there's a plan C.

So Moyes better get this shit done. I'll be pulling for him like crazy. Because there's no other choice.

That is exactly how I view it too Ernie.

And when the time comes to switch to the more progressive Manager once the storm has settled then we can be as ruthless with DM as we want to be. Just because he has a 2 year contract or whatever that maybe, it doesn’t mean we have to keep him for 2 years.

In the short term, needs must, in the long term what goes around comes around.

These reunions never seem to recapture the same spark but let’s hope this one is an exception!

Take thee back to the glass ceiling, knife to a gun fight, dithering Dave transfer windows, getting rogered by the top 6, derby defeats, the biannual colonoscopy from man utd, no wins down south, Keep it tight and nick one, the strikers graveyard, getting knocked out of cups by Arsenals B team, no strikers up front and being terrified of trips to anfield.

Oh David Moyes how I've missed thee.

Is this the assessment that since he left in 2023 Everton plummeted as a football club..There's more to that fact than Moyes.

I don't know but he's got a lot to proove and his comments, post leaving Everton, in trying to get Baines in at United still resonate.
Remember the Grim Reaper, when Everton beat United 4-0, his last game in charge!

Does Moyes have insight into tapping some good players from his role for UEFA, if so it would ve useful.

But he's the new Everton manager and so I'll back him.
UTFTs!

Bill, Bill talk to me Bill are you there??

I agree Paul, a stop gap nothing more, relax people.

He knows the club and understands the fans. He is able to build on the defensive stability and try to play a bit of football at least. He has a real eye for a player, let's hope he is able to work with Thelwell and bring some quality in.

What I am really hoping is Baines and Seamus will be part of his coaching team, along with Irvine, that would give the team a more progressive feel to it. Or, ideally (now this would be forward thinking) along with Irvine he brings in Carsley with a transition plan in place at the end of his contract. That last comment is certainly wishful thinking but not a terrible idea. Carsley has said he wants to keep coaching at the moment and he is highly thought of by the fans.

He's coming, we need to get used to it quickly and frickin' get behind the man, he brings alot of PL experience and he gave us 11 years. COYB.

If it is true, I fail to understand why, (again if true) that a two or three year contract has been offered. My belief when he was linked is that they wanted Premiership Safety (not guaranteed either) then build a team, once we have moved into the new season and BMD.

Furthermore, this does not reflect well on our new owners and smacks of a very short-sighted knee jerk response to Dyche's departure. With their limited knowledge of European Football I would have thought a more imaginative Manager may have been chosen.

It was only the other day they allegedly had researched Everton from a Fan perspective and that they were the life blood of the game (encouraging again if accurate) then they possibly appoint someone who has definitely split the fan base. I am confused !

Having said all that, I will obviously but grudgingly back him to succeed, but will not be taking that as a ' given ' !

To be fair Paul, he did give me my only taste of European football, apart from the 80’s.

Decent banter with the Metalist Kharkiv Nazis, until the coach driver thought it would be a fun idea to drop us off in the middle of them. Listening to Ian Snodin and everyone’s favourite celebrity hooligan Andy Nichols reminiscing on the plane over about the good old days

Impromptu game of football in the middle of a bustling market in the centre of Nurnberg. Spoilt by the bizzies, Massive beers, never understood why that hasn’t been adopted over here instead of going to the bar every 15 minutes.

Getting twatted by some Italian bizzy for ‘looking at him in a funny way’. All good memories though, cheers Davey.

Oh man it makes me feel sick to my pit remembering the lack of hope I had under Moyes for those matches.

In fact, shall we just rest our players for any match against a top 6 team?

Some good posts back there. Ouija boards, Nosferatu, new coaches and Morag. Ah well, Dithering Davey it is then.

Hang on, twelve and a half fucking million for two and a half bloody years? FFS do these owners know what they're doing?!?!

They have fucked up at Roma, smnjbhvgfcdxszas

All these other names being thrown around have probably hung the phone up on us!

I don't think he's the most exciting choice (Is a single Everton excited by him coming back?) but he is a pragmatic choice.

We have budgetary constraints, are at the wrong end of the table and any climb back to the top will take time. Even next season due to PSR we'll probably have tight purse-strings (loosened a bit by the takeover and new stadium). Maybe in 2 years we'll be a more exciting prospect for an exciting manager who can take us to the next level but at the moment I guess... In Moyes we trust!!! (Fingers crossed!)

I would have thought he would be considered quite a coup.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out and how long he gets. In terms of managers to keep us up this season I’m not sure I see many surer options who would definitely come (the likes of Sarri and Allegri would have been tough to persuade).

In terms of options to lead us into next season however he’s low down the list. How much would his contract cost to buy out this summer? £8/10m? I think we get a lot more PSR freedom from this summer onwards so perhaps that’s quite doable?

Whatever happens I think this appointment should ignite the ToffeeWeb pages over the next few months and bring some more classic posters out of the woodwork hopefully. So there’s something to look forward to!

‘Bring it on Hoare’

I’ll bet that’s not the first time you’ve said that is it Paul 😃

Where is the venue ?

Who will be in the Blue Corner ?

Will it be televised ? :-)

Under previous ownership a new manger would of been announced at 23:30 on deadline day and then it would of been reported we “nearly signed X,YZ but the fax machine broke”

No, not him! Oh God, he's even worse!

I know plenty of match-going Blues who don't go on social media. Moyes will get a good reception on Wednesday.

Good measured response from Ped (Toffee TV) when being interviewed on Sky.

Here's me thinking we'd been acquired by sharp thinking businessman.

No manager, in my opinion, would come in for 6 months without a hefty bonus. Therefore, spread that cost out over a period of time and you then don't have to pay up said bonus if the manager does well and fulfils his duty and wants to continue - with all the wranglings of then getting him to sign a new contract! He just continues. It seems it wasn't (and I emphasise seems), a smooth decision with Dyche not wanting to continue, but not wanting to resign.

What were the alternatives - realistic ones, to Moyes? It is a genuine question as I am much more into my boxing than football, but Everton have me! The madness!

Bet there's more to come out about these past few months!

I have suddenly realised where the Everton DNA that Kenwright always talked about exists in the Everton.It exists within the Club and us totally different than the Everton DNA that Evertonians have.

The' consensus' I am talking about is all that work in the Club who form and contribute to the Club, wether it be at Goodison and Finch Farm.A few may not be happy, but the consensus are.

The new Chairman and Directors have gave them their place and followed the leaders of their advice.Moyes is part of that DNA and will suit.

The TFG Group have gone with what they have considered the save option, according to the advice they have received.

I is disappointing that the TFG group have not sought to change the Culture, but maybe their Professional Management may be able to make it more accountable and change it.

The problem for me is that like other Evertonians we are fully aware of the glass ceiling if Moyes abilities, which have been proven correct at other Clubs and the Professionalism of the level we were expecting is not there.Whats more TFG will find themselves up against a Culture that has successfully resisted change for years and now given them the leader they want on the football side.

As it stands TFG will stabilise the Club and Moyes may contribute that that in the short term, but Evertonians will expect more and for years have deserved more.

I doubt any protests including Michael's e mails will see light of day.

It is back to wheel outs on Everton.com, leaks in loyal rags, bullshit from Moyes, the odd favourable press release and two result and a loss.

I have always said to sort a problem takes the same time to fix as it takes to make it. Hopefully there is a watershed somewhere in this.

Kenwright is still laughing his head off.