Broja out for up to 12 weeks with ankle injury

On this transfer alone, Thelwell wants sacking.

I'd just give full control of transfers to Moyes and sack the DoF role off in the summer. It hasn't worked for us at all since bringing one in (ie, Walsh, Brands, Thelwell).

Only a club as desperate as Everton would have taken on the likes of Broja and Dele Alli. I just hope that, under the new ownership, we leave this kind of thing behind.

Best wishes to him, clearly a talented player and clearly the only reason we signed him was because nobody else was stupid enough to take a badly injured player on a short-term loan.

Crocks R Us has been our motto for far too long…

EFC paying millions to players who seem to treat the club as a recovery clinic; no wonder we're in dire straits.

Remember, footballers of playing age now have never seen a good Everton side apart from the 'best of the rest' team under Moyes. The rest of the time, we're a footnote in English football and mostly fighting relegation so we can't attract good players.

Hence why we end up with the likes of Gazza, Ginola, Eto'o, Rooney etc at the end of their careers. The rest of the time, we're lucky to pick up decent younger players who can't get a game at their clubs for various reasons.

As a result, Thelwell has had no choice but to take a punt on players like Dele and Broja. It was either them or some unknown player from the lower leagues, which is a punt in itself.

By the same token, we have also picked up players like Garner, Iroegbunam, Lindstrom and Mangala who also couldn't get a game at their respective clubs, so to lay into Thelwell over Dele and Broja seems a bit harsh.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

That is Thelwell's job — to recruit better players. Less so-called glamour clubs seem to do it.

Those less so-called glamour clubs are actually way more attractive than we are. If you're a teenager, or a kid in your 20s, all you know of Everton is how we're a total mess, and a rubbish team.

Brighton, Brentford, Forest, and any London club has an advantage over us, in that young men see them as well run clubs, and they are. So therefore they have little interest in us, and we get players who come for the money but with little motivation to succeed with us – or use us as a stepping-stone like Stones, Lukaku, Digne, Onana etc have done.

It's not as simple as, "Everton have a rich history, therefore we're attractive". No, we're not. We've been a mess for nigh-on 30 years, we play awful football under managers like Dyche and Allardyce, and we're in Liverpool in a shit old stadium (about to change obviously).

Young players would much rather live in London and play for Fulham, Brentford, Palace or West Ham and there's nothing we can do about that (never mind Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs).

We have to modernise, change everything, ditch all the old watery-eyed shite and become a modern club if we're to attract good players and compete again.

Wow, even by your standards, that is a beaut.

Seems to me we did better with a Chief Scout, probably cost less too.

It would be a serious dereliction of duty if the terms of the loan force us to keep him. Harrison can drive him back to Chelsea and pop back up the motorway to Leeds. Then we can sign 2 crocks!!

I have said for ages now that Harrison must go back as being not fit for purpose, past sell-by date!

We need to steer clear of these types of signings in the future, too many times over the years we've signed players who have had horrific injury records.

He needs replacing before he does more damage.

He shouldn't have been here in the first place.

If you really need to satisfy your desire for a witch-hunt, surely the medical assessors would be the place to start.

A) Run
B) Hit the ball into the net

Classy passer and a deadball expert.

Provided the Premier League don't attempt to block it…

I expect Broja to go home and Ferguson to roll in.

Palace and Bournemouth are both after a young lad from Millwall called Esse. He's absolutely rapid, plays on the right, and has a couple of goals and assists. But guess who we would prefer?

Even if they haven't previously done so in the Premier League.

The issue may well be payment arrangements to the selling club and the player's own preference.

All of our transfer activity since Ancelotti has been driven by what is available on the market in light of crippling financial constraints and PSR.

That will probably ease in summer but possibly not in January. Thelwell can't just sign who he'd actually like to sign. We're miles off that.

"Having a go at Thelwell for Broja being injured is a bit ridiculous"

Not when you consider that he was injured when he signed him — and not expected back on the grass for 3 months!!!

He is only 19 and, like I've said, he's rapid with 5 goals this season.

Just what we need. Another player in his 30s in our midfield. We already have the third-oldest squad in the Premier League. Adding more aging legs to it will not improve the situation. Unless we want the oldest squad in the Premier League, of course.

What we need is more players like Iliman Ndiaye. Young, fit and aggressive. So let's start moving these overpaid older players just running down their contracts out and start bringing some younger fresh faces in.

We need players to seriously come in and hit the ground running.

What Moyes was probably known best for was bringing players in that made Everton a better side.

How he and us could do with an inspirational window like January 2012 – what we'd do for Pienaar, Donovan, Gibson, Jelavic this month.

Do we ever learn? The Darron Gibson experience obviously was a lesson not learnt.

I'm guessing we'd have to offer quite a big sweetener to Millwall and much higher wages to make this work in practice.

Thelwell will be exploring all sorts of options like this I expect.

Let's be honest…, Bournemouth and Palace are both far better clubs to go and play football at than we are.

Send him back at once and get an experienced loanee in.

The only thing that the unlucky Broja proved was that playing as the sole forward in this squad is the worst job in the Premier League.

Maybe, just maybe, the Premier League will allow us a special dispensation to sign a Broja replacement but we're stuck with Harrison, I'm afraid.

Moyes referring to the possibility of sending Broja back to Chelsea probably just refers to him being looked after by Chelsea staff in his recovery rather than a cancellation of the loan agreement. After all, players are loaned out often to offload salary costs in order to comply with PSR rules, so teams would be compromised by loan players being sent back.

It's hardly Thelwell's fault that he's been forced to operate in the cheap end of the market with such loans due to our parlous financial situation.

Part of me though thinks selling Branthwaite for £70M in the summer and re-investing the money on better players might have been a better option – much as I'm glad we kept him.

One thing seems certain, though. Moyes instead of Dyche alone will not keep us up, unless we buy players in this window. There is currently simply not enough goal potential there to survive.

Unfortunately, Moshiri ruined us and it is seriously hurting our ability to bring in the players we desperately need.

I imagine, ever since Usmanov was sanctioned, he was unable to bankroll his employee Moshiri, plus we had to return his money paid to us, for naming rights on the new stadium, and sponsorship of Finch Farm.

This pickle, caused by Putin's invasion of Ukraine and the UK Government sanctioning Oligarchs and seizing their UK assets, is the reason I suspect, that:

1) There has been a net recuperation of many millions from player trading, with zero net investment for several years now.

2) Beto was brought in instead of Gyökeres two January windows ago, when Gyökeres was desperate to come and play in the Premier League.

Beto was available on a 'buy now, pay later' ideal, wasn't he?

Sadly we missed that boat and he went abroad instead in the summer. What a player missed by all Premier League teams that is.

I suspect – given that player's quality, strength, pace and most of all finishing ability – we could be in very different shape now, table-wise, had big Viktor been on the end of the chances created. 'If' is possibly the biggest word in the English language though.

3) A none productive player like Harrison was brought in and renewed the next year, due to affordability constraints to get better.

4) We brought in Broja, as we had Hobson's Choice. The once mighty Everton, in desperate need of striking reinforcement, forced to sign not just an unproven player, but a severely injured unproven player. The risk was massive he would breakdown after such a long time out. It's no surprise, but given our state, we probably could not get a better option.

5) We are in Shit Street right now, teetering just above the trap door with a seemingly very toothless team.

In light of all this, whilst McNeil and Chermiti may help, we surely need some fresh blood to help us, with some real quality. Over to you, The Friedkin Group.

If they fail to act now, and we go down, what a disastrous situation that would be. Surely it's too great a risk for them to take???

If he's as good as I think he is, you'd have to wonder why Brighton seem willing to loan him out with Welbeck being as injury-prone as he is.

Out for 10 to 12 weeks would mean a possible return towards the end of April, so with what, about four games remaining. Not enough time to make any impact, in fact he wouldn't make any impact whatsoever.

He would need to regain fitness and match fitness which isn't going to happen. So send him back and free up a loan space for somebody else.

Obviously, we neither of us know the terms of the loan agreement.

At least we'll have someone who can take a free-kick. Something that seems beyond the present squad. Didn't Moyes bring him in at West Ham?

His acquisitions in the main leave a lot to be desired: Beto, Chetmiti, O'Brien for example (over £50M not on the pitch – accepting some of this is being paid on the never-never).

Again he's shopping in a market place for the cash-strapped and buying players befitting of that market.

Loans disappoint me. It is critical to us with no cash that our 4 loanees make a real difference. Mangala I see as a positive, but Lindstrøm, Harrison, Broja are hugely disappointing and have added nothing, just wasted opportunity.

None of us really know the murky financial world Thelweall has had to operate in, and credit is due in part, but I'm not convinced he can pick a player (unless obvious) and I'm hoping Moyes, with his intense scrutiny of acquisitions, will change this.

It's not as simple as us just wanting to send him back.

And it's not as if Chelsea cannot afford his wages, after all they've sold their women's team and two hotels they own to themselves!

Unless Chelsea find something else to flog to themselves meanwhile!

Read my post again and then tell me were I blamed Thelwell for Broja getting injured.

If you agree with Andy maybe you can also tell me where I blamed Thelwell for Broja getting injured.👍

Send him back, whenever one of our youngsters go out on loan, Stanley Mills etc, they return to their parent club when they get injured.

Whatever it takes, negotiate with Chelsea, could always do a swap for Chillwell to come in his place if needs must.

Send Harrison back to free up a loan spot for a pacy right midfielder, but move heaven and earth to try and bring a striker in.

Failing that bang Michael Keane up top.

With McNeil, Garner and Iroegbunam to come back, should be alright elsewhere to see us through the run in.

Future loan contracts, for every club, should include that if the player is injured, and likely to be out for a significant period, he can be returned to his parent club.

It seems extremely unlikely for lots of boring reasons - to be honest if it was possible it would probably have happened already.

So as I posted on another thread, our realistic options exclude loans but include:

- players from clubs in financial difficulties, desperate to sell (eg Nuamah)

- players from overseas being hawked around by agents for bigger wages (eg Igor Jesus, Yuri Alberto and Richard Rios)

- players who are coming to the end of their contract and so may be released to generate a fee (eg Lamptey, Walker-Peters or Rensch)

- the injury prone / broken and high risk but lower cost (eg Chilwell)

- those surplus to requirements / out of form (eg Ferguson)

- decent but unspectacular players who can be secured within budget (whatever that is) (eg Fellows)

These are quite broad categories but clubs and players are often reluctant to sell / move in January because they can get a better option in summer. So the market of available players is pretty small. You'll see the same names linked to clubs like us across Europe.

Ah, I see, Thelwell should have had the foresight to know Broja was going to get seriously injured! So basically what you’re saying is never sign another player, ever, who has been injured. Players get injured all the time, it’s part of football. Did you think at the time, we shouldn’t have signed Peter Reid or Andy Grey?

But you don't think that we shouldn't have signed him. Ffs

That along with signing duds that cant score or assist for an entire season. Needs to go.

There is a rumour flying around about Willian being available as Moyes wants quality. Willian is well past his sell by date.

Numah appears to be an option but I would say that it is quality with experience that we need and stabs on the dark are not an option for our predicament at the moment.

We're not exactly an attractive proposition and at the front of the queue when players are looking to move right now, we need to dose of reality to what people like Thelwell are up against.

It's easy for us to scream sign some quality players on this site, but every permanent or loan deal has an element of risk to it, and the lower you go, the higher the risk. Sometimes you get extremely lucky and unearth a diamond, but in these days of data and YouTube, that's getting harder all the time.

If the players you mention can't prove their fitness, we don't need them.

My guess is that we can't without Chelsea's agreement… but who knows?

I'd love to see him back in an Everton shirt, if only for the remainder of the season.

Broja has talent and good physical characteristics. He plainly has a lot more technical ability than Calvert-Lewin and Beto. However, he was always a risk due to his injury record. If he hadn't been such an injury risk, we wouldn't have been able to sign him. He'd have cost too much or gone elsewhere.

As we've seen with Beto (and lots of strikers in the Premier League) it's extremely difficult to find a ready-made striker – especially at low cost (ie, below £35M). Indeed it's hard to guarantee goals at up to £85M (see Nunez).

If the gamble had paid off, we would have helped Broja acclimatise this season with a view to him being our main striker 2025/26 for only £20m or so. That would have been a pretty good deal.

It looks like the gamble hasn't paid off (albeit due to a completely different injury?) and so the hunt is still on for someone who can hit more than 10 goals for us... (and hopefully develop into someone to go beyond 20 goals a season).

We didn't pay his wages for the 3 months he was injured, which you have to give Thelwell credit for.

Robert, the agreed price for Broja after his loan, should we activate/have activated a permanent transfer, is £30m.

We didn't/don't have two halfpennies to rub together so Thelwell had to try something.

Much to the joy of the "told you so's" on here it didn't work out.

Not a lot DOES for our club!

I know which one I'd opt for.

It looks as though his loan will end – and possibly Harrison's, who has been a huge disappointment. At least that will free up two loan spaces, interesting…

However, we have had players out on loan who got injured and came back to Finch Farm for treatment so you never know. I'm sure something can be negotiated.

On Esse, it is frustrating that we seem to be linked with players who have no goals, no assists, and no pace – yet emerging talent like him seem to be going elsewhere.

The scouting has been abysmal at Everton for years. A club happy to pay top dollar for players that just don't deserve it, paying transfer fees that no one else would consider.

I'd happily ditch Thelwell, and return to the Moyes & chief scout model previously employed. We've had 3 Directors of Football, and all have performed poorly, cost wages, and wasted tens of millions in transfers and wages.

I'd happily suggest that a regular punter wouldn't have splurged the wages and transfer fees on Beto, Maupay, etc if they were given the job of watching them on 3 or 4 occasions.

We have gone backwards with Brands, Walsh and Thelwell.

Terminate the loans of Lindstrom and Harrison while you're at it.

And then terminate the existence of Calvert-Lewin and Beto and maybe we can look forward to a brighter future?

The silence from the new owners is deafening. I'm not panicking but I am starting to worry that the days are passing and we still seem to be stuck in the Moshiri era.

It's a no-brainer. A costly no-brainer, but a no-brainer all the same.

How much was the loan fee, by the way?

I think Thelwell has done an very good job under horrifying circumstances. I'd come on TW and read the word "deadwood" in every third post. Now I never see it because Thelwell has cleared it all out while selling intelligently for sometimes amazing numbers (£60M for Richarlison, £50M for Onana, £25M for Kean, £10M for Godawful Godfrey, and £70M from the academy) to keep this disaster afloat and prevent even worse PSR consequences. He's a 10 out of 10 for disposal.

And signings? He got Tarkowski, Gana and Young for nothing and bought mainstays like McNeil and Garner and Ndiaye at very reasonable prices. And I may be alone in this, but I think Chermiti and Iroegbunam are major talents and fantastic buys whose injuries were just terrible luck.

Yes, gambles like Broja and Lindstrom have failed, but they were good gambles on quality young players whose careers had gone off track and could have made a big difference for us. A similar gamble on Mangala certainly has worked out.

Paul #23, I would remind you that McNeil had zero goals and zero assists for an entire 35-game season before we bought him. Now he's our best attacking player.

The Athletic reported in October there was no loan fee for Broja (per Patrick Boyland).

I can't tell you whether Everton or Thelwell are particularly bad at picking out those with no real chance but I've tended to be excited by the incomings before eventually giving up on them.

Unless someone can point out the sure-things that slipped the net because we gambled on someone else, then I'll just accept it's part of Everton's difficult circumstances at the moment and it's not reasonable to single out individuals who have very difficult choices to make.

Unfortunately, due to the appalling mismanagement of the club, we are in the unenviable position of having to take extreme chances gambling on the fitness of a loan striker – or should that be a lone striker.

Spurs can call on four strikers and our neighbours can afford to nurse Chiesa through injury to add to their five strikers. Even West Ham, who have Antonio and Bowen missing, managed to score three the other night.

I suppose that Chelsea's justification is that it happened on our watch and pitch.

The fact of the matter is that under Thelwell's wheeling and dealing this season we have had I think it is four strikers who have had minutes and between them these gladiators have bagged a grand total of 20 sorry 2 goals. That is pathetic in all respects both on and off the pitch.

Is it three rather than two goals?

Craig Dawson has scored as many goals for us this season as highest scoring striker.

And the more competent still when we can compete financially with the likes of West Ham, Spurs and Villa.

Sorry like, but send him back to Chelsea, cancel the loan deal, look elsewhere for a fit and firing Striker!!

Per Spotrac, Broja is on £40,000/week.

All DOFs have to work within constraints of the possible. They know what they have to work with and must act accordingly and that is why they get the salary they get. On this score, Thelwell did not have a good 2024 when he had all summer to find us a striker but saddled us with Broja at the very last minute (and also spent a fair bit of the money we/he had in a position that, arguably, was not as big a priority as others).

Of course, Robert, with more money things would be different. But in the same way that we expect our managers to react to developments as a game unfolds, we ought to expect a DOF to react effectively to what he has at his disposal.

"Under the rules in the Premier League Handbook 2024-25, there are restrictions on how many players Premier League clubs can loan from other Premier League/English clubs.

They are:

- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.

- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.

- Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer window.

- A Premier League club may loan not more than one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club.""

Link here, from which a link to the Premier League Handbook is available.

How many loans...

So, we can't just return a loanee and bring another one in. We have filled our maximum loan limit.

Regards returning Broja to Chelsea. The club will have (should have) taken out insurance to cover further costs for injury, wages etc.

Usually, in a case where a loanee is injured for any length of time, the parent club recalls them to oversee the player's rehab and recovery.

Maybe Chelsea, with their own PSR issues, are trying to provide as much room as possible?

I don't think there is any problem when we send him back to Chelsea then realize he wasn't that badly injured so we re-register him under his full name: Armando Evan Ferguson Broja.

Also (I'm in a meeting and can't read it right now!!!), is there somewhere in that link that clearly states a club can only have 4 loanees in one season and stating equally clearly that crocks cannot be replaced?

It just seems to be an epidemic with Everton signings, loanees or otherwise. Other teams just prey on Everton's desperation.

Now they are linked with Tierney. It's about time it stopped and they paid the money for the quality players instead of rejects and loanees.

Thelwell has a hell of a job attracting anyone worth having to a team (here and now) that is involved in relegation battles every season, and plays negative low-scoring football.

I'm sure that, during the loan period, Broja is ‘our player' – particularly seeing the current injury isn't a reoccurrence of the one he arrived with.

And would they have been able to take out salary insurance on a player who was injured when he arrived?

If Broja is out the full 12 weeks, that's £500,000 in salary.

I've just read the Player Handbook rules again, sad sod that I am, and I must have missed the wording...

Firstly,

"There are restrictions on how many players Premier League clubs can loan from other Premier League/English clubs."

Second,

"Under Guidance Notes; For the avoidance of doubt, no Club that already has two Temporary Transfers registered at the same time may be permitted to register a further player whose permanent registration is held by a Club on a ‘sub-loan'. That is to say, if a player is loaned by a club based overseas (or to which Rules V.5 to V.7 do not otherwise apply)."

So presumably, if we do/can return Broja and/or Harrison. we can make up to two further domestic loans?

MK, if you're lurking, could you have a look and see if you could decipher the rules please?

Once a player is loaned to a club, that player effectively becomes that club's player.

It is common practice for clubs to always insure loanees for exactly this situation, just as they insure their 'own' players in case of injury and absence.

The insurance won't cover fees paid etc, but it will cover wages and health-care.

Paul F, It is usually written into the loan contract whether or not an injured player is recalled or not. It is quite common for injured players to be recalled, so that the parent club can assess and rehab the injury in-house.

So that should rule him out according to our TW aficianados…

That is also what I believe is the case. Mind you, it does make common sense and we are talking about North Wharf Road.

The Brighton injury page says he is due back on the 19th and this was updated today.

I agree Thelwell has done a good job on no money. Balanced the books. I'd like to see what he could do with some decent funds.

Blaming Thelwell for Broja getting injured is ridiculous! Lots of people wanted us to sign him permanently, how that could have backfired.

He basically can't sell anyone because we have about 17 first team players.

Many ageing, with no real sale value.

People say "Sell Doucoure, sell Beto, sell Calvert-Lewin." No-one is taking these players for any real money.

Thelwell has scrimped and scavenged, sold what he could to avoid more PSR charges. We've had no money to compete for decent players, you only have to look at what £28M gets you in the striker market – Beto!!!

On Broja: surely we can pay Chelsea to take him back; we are going to pay him anyway… Pay him while removing him from our loaned players to add another. Chelsea lose nothing. We gain a loan space. No brainer.

You can blame Thelwell all you like, but his hands are severely tied for so many reasons which we all know, and you don't need me to go into.

Chelsea, to my mind, are well within their rights to claim compensation for taking him back – this is a different injury to the one he had when we signed him, so if there is any blame, or anyone at fault (for what was something of a freak injury), it sure as hell isn't Chelsea. We'd be expecting Everton to do the same in their position.

James (114): I think you sum up how Chelsea see their position here very well. I got a knock-off crate of Head & Shoulders, if you're interested.

I actually do use Head & Shoulders funnily enough.

Also, fuck you ;-)

Why should we still be frightened of PSR and why do some on here still refer to us as skint?

Mike Gaynes@87,

Absolutely correct about Thelwell. He has done a very good job in exceptionally trying circumstances.

Ian #120, I've read some analyses posted or linked by other TWers that shows we are still in the soup PSR-wise. I don't know why.

David #113, makes sense to me. But will it make sense to Chelsea?

Brian #109, on the contrary, it makes us approximately eight times more likely to sign him.

That said... I felt he did well when he played for us. Didn't set the world alight but was finding his feet for us.

I'm not gonna blame Thelwell on this one but we are in desperate need of a striker or two.

Kopite asswipe. I can't stand him.

McAtee or Nunes from Man City could be available. Lots of the big teams have bloated squads with fringe players in need of minutes.

Given the nature of football agents, this is like taking Arthur Daley's description of a rusting Ford Cortina with a Bri-Nylon shirt in the gearbox and used in various bank raids as “a lovely runner owned by a little old lady who only used to go to the shops in it” with 200,000 miles turned back off the clock.

But Everton buy them: Alli – a useless parasite with “mental health”; Broja – probably interviewed in his wheelchair.

I sincerely hope that Kenwright was on backhanders from most of the purchases for the last 20 years because it would be depressing to think anyone was that stupid and gullible.

Everton should recruit half a dozen lads out of FA manager bottom-level training, pay them £30,000 a year and send them to look for 17- to 20-year-olds in Africa, South America, the Middle East and Japan, Korea, China and Vietnam. They should then rapidly sign prospects on 1-year, £25,000 contracts and see what happens. Talent goes straight into the team and tactics are set up for simple rapid and aggressive play.

They could probably look around the traditional recruiting grounds of the UK and Ireland too – Glasgow, the North-East, Sheffield, Nottingham, Leeds, Hull. Maybe even Merseyside…

Our new transfer policy is that we can only sign players who were born while Thatcher was in power.

We are not exactly porous in defence, but definitely profligate, and poor at the other end of the pitch.

We badly need a right midfield but I would love us to get full-back cover.

Realistically, there's not many outfield positions on the pitch that we don't desperately need to strengthen.

Left-back – Urgent. He's crap with no alternative.
Right-back – Urgent unless any manager decides Patterson is worth a go
Centre-back – Okay
Centre mid – Urgent. We're asking a lot of two players with zero rotation and crocks in reserve.
Wings – Urgent
Number 10 – Urgent
Striker – Urgent

Ndiaye is one of those forward positions but there's nothing else that we can be too comfortable with.

Realistically we can't fix or even just improve them all. It will be a case of what is available and what gives the best bang for buck.

I am curious to see which positions we target but it may depend as much upon who is available as what it is we need. As you say, there are weaknesses all over!

Give it 2 to 3 years he'll be worth 3 times what they paid.

(Source - Paul Joyce)

If we can get 2 players of real quality for any of CF, RB, RW etc, it will make a big difference.

Seems ludicrous to me.

Total and utter waste.

If anyone of us on here in our jobs had been so cavalier and profligate with limited funds, how long would we have lasted?

The club, not the supporters, deserves everything that's coming. What a shower.

Take Willian on a free, past his best but still creative and can do a job till the end of the season.

Please no Nuamah purchase, he's underwhelming in France, I don't think he'll cut it in Premier League (another Thelwell special).

Use the funds we have (we clearly have some) to buy another striker.

The return of Garner, Iroegbunam and McNeil will help midfield. Seamus provides another option at right back.
I think we'd limp through with that.

In January especially we are likely to have to target good players that are out of form or favour. It's not an easy thing to get right and I'm not saying that I'm certain Nuamah would work out but he definitely has some talents that we lack.

Chilwell would be just as big a risk if not more so given his injury record recently, though if the loan terms were agreeable, it could be a good move.

Tony Cottee: “DCL's contract is up at the end of the season, it will be interesting to see what happens. Whether Moyesy can get more out of him, you'd like to think he will, the challenge is there, start scoring goals – do your job – your job as the striker is to score goals.”

£8M bid for Calvert-Lewin.

£58M bid for Branthwaite, turned down.

Now we are not under scrutiny, I hope it helps us to get some of these on permanent contracts.

All of the top sides have two first 11s, we don't even have one. We desperately need creative and goalscoring players particularly in midfield, where most of our players are defensively strong but useless in front of goal.

Beto is the only one who has a clue in front of goal and he is not first 11 material.

Although not actually claiming Thelwell made the tackle to injure Broja. It calls for his sacking now that he's injured.

It was a risk bringing him while injured, of course, but it's hard to know what other options we had at that time. I'd say it was a bit of a last resort.

It hasn't worked, because of bad luck, not because he was injured when he arrived though! So it's hard to blame Thelwell.

A deal where we send Broja back, pay them in full but take another loan player from their bloated squad, would be nice of them, seeing as we took him injured.

We've just wasted a loan spot when we could have got a player in we need.

It was total incompetence from Thelwell and in any other job he would be fired. Am I the only one to see that?

"We could have got a player we need " could we though?

It was a bit last minute, almost like they tried and this was the best on offer, with what we could afford.

I just laugh when people think, oh we could have got this player or that player. No one really knows. We make assumptions, Thelwell is dealing with the actual facts !

If he could of had a fit striker on loan at Brojas level don't you think he would of tried ??

He's shopping at poundland, with 99p to spend mate !!!

I just read about them on 'Goodison News' which is always complete bullshit made up by some kid in his bedroom.