Moyes welcomes Alan Irvine and Charlie Adam

He was a midfielder all his career but is apparently joining as a "set-piece" coach - which I wouldn't have necessarily thought to be his forte, given his playing career.

Time will tell - no doubt.

Happy to do it as long as he does a decent job

Ah, never mind. If he can just teach our guys to clear the first defenders on set-pieces, I'll be thrilled.

Although there is a very, very, very simple solution for this, it's very rare that you see the front man clearing the cross under any real pressure.

Irvine and Adam joining Moyes's coaching staff, let me be the first to say “Jobs for the boys”!

It stinks.

How many times have you seen a bad corner end up creating a chance, by simply putting a player at the near post, to flick on or put pressure on a bad ball?

Adam can also be our dirty tackle coach.

Just to add fuel to your fire, am I right in thinking that Charlie's agent was Kenny Moyes, brother of David?

“The pair know each other well. Moyes' brother is the agent of Adam, while the ex-Gers, Blackpool, Liverpool and Stoke midfielder lodged with Moyes's family when making his way as a youngster at Ibrox.”

I was the set piece taker on every Sunday league team I played on for 30 years, and the only times I couldn't clear the front man were when the area around the corner flag was a mud hole or a divot and the ref wouldn't let me move the ball out of it.

It staggers me that so many professionals playing on tailored fields can't elevate the ball over one guy. We had a final free kick chance at Bournemouth and Young couldn't even hoist the ball into the mixer. Drilled it right to the first defender. Too easy.

Dave, why does it stink? Don't most managers hire assistants they already know and trust? Would you expect Moyes to do a bunch of job interviews and hire guys he doesn't know?

Fleetwood sacked him as manager 22 December and before that he was Burnley's loans manager - maybe he worked for the Provvy too doing doorstep loans?

For me, we were better under Moyes when Irvine was assistant manager. Round was far too negative.

Moyes has been in the game for a very long time, do you think he doesn't know plenty of coaches, has he worked with Adam before? Possibly he got to know him when he allegedly lodged with him.

What has Irvine done lately? The Scottish coach worked with him at West Ham; were the two of them let go together or did Moyes resign?

He let the whole set of very experienced coaches go at Man Utd to bring his own men in… that worked out well – although he was never good enough for the Man Utd job.

I hope, for the sake of Everton, Moyes knows what he is doing bringing these coaches in, and that includes Baines.

Just a thought: if you're looking for a free-kick expert, there's only one name, Sheedy?

He got a bit cocky while at the RS but otherwise always seems fairly sensible to me.

Can't believe Moyes would just bring him in for the ' old pals act ' alone. Hopefully we can build on Sunday's result, but, it won't be easy or a given.

Adam as set piece coach just doesn't add up. Most clubs who have a set piece coach, seem to have an expert in that part of the game - not just some random ex-player.

Successful offensive set pieces are not just about the delivery but the positioning, the movement, the blocking etc. The one at Arsenal is apparently some sort of set piece Rainman, with a whole host of 'plays' and 'counter plays'. It's almost on the scale of American Football and their 'Playbooks'.

It's a different discipline really and not just limited to corners/free kicks. Next time you watch Arsenal look at how they maximise their throw ins. If the ball is in the opposition half, it never gets thrown backwards, always forwards, but aimed at getting the ball on to the floor and into danger areas.

At the other end, Brentford do loads of work on defending set pieces with their coach and I believe they have the lowest number of goals conceded from them. Watch their pre-gamr warm ups. They spend 5-10 mins practicing positions and responsibilities for defending corners.

This decision on Adam does really seem a job for the boys decision, as there is no evidence whatsoever that he has these type of skills.

That's the level of detail those guys go into. We get Charlie Adam who has written over 16,380 betting slips.

Let's give Adams a chance eh? As well as being a superb set piece taker himself, he played under Stoke's Pulis who maximised set pieces long before there was a specialist job in that area. Hence he would have been exposed to that aspect of the game.

Chuck in coaching badges that I expect he's earnt.

And lest we forget, ‘In Moyes we Trust' either has merit or it's a stupid sound bite.

I'm happy to trust him for the moment. Let's get behind him eh?

I hope you're right though and he's a success. Nil Satis and all that.

Alan Irvine played for us once, so he is now the beneficiary of Moyes's Kenwright-adoring mantra of "getting" Everton.

Right, deep breaths all round whilst we all try to displace our deep misgivings eh?

Why start with the opposite default?

I remember reading about Anthony Barry's analysis of those 16,380 throw-ins a while back. He presented his findings to a highly sceptical audience, the Chelsea first team squad, convincing them that the most effective approach was to throw the ball backwards in order to retain possession and control the play.

Plainly that would only work if the team is comfortable in possession and effective in mounting attacks from deeper positions.

He has been an assistant manager, loan player manager and manager of Fleetwood but has never specialised on set pieces.

We should have focused on someone who has actually done the job.

I have vague recollection of him scoring a beauty at Wembley for Blackpool years ago. He's still a prick.

Set pieces were very predictable under Dyche.

It's not just about delivery etc - there's an art and science to it all as others have said.

Hope to see some interesting routines as the season progresses.

That’s what you get when you rigidly adhere to an all pie diet.

So I will be interested to see what changes we make to set pieces, as our free kicks struggle to create anything. Also how come we never try a flick on from the near post at corners its every corner lumped to the far post.

Exactly. We have plenty to be pissed off about, they have almost nothing to be pissed off about.

If we were as good as them, you could have Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot in charge for all I care.

I was just waiting for the storm to die down or the torch will not stay alight. Suppose we will have to give them at least a week then !

The penalty area from set pieces looks more like a scrum than a free kick.

I am not the slightest bit surprised that Irvine has been brought in although Adam will be intriguing.

He did have a sweet left peg tbh.

Heitinga played for us in 2009-14; Adam played for them in 2011-12.

And the ale that he apparently does not drink Scott (40). I wonder if his WAG missus has dumped him.

In court again today for allegedly booting his wife in the head.

Charlie is still with his wife, afaik? I'll ask her Aunty next time I see her 😁

On GOT they've all sorts of rumours going on about him now!

All I will say to all, is come on, what about the call for unity and support the team, the whole team till we preserve our league safety?

Lastly, I don't know if anyone else noticed, but during the presser today, Moyes said that Charlie is with them for six months, and then they'll assess the situation!

Let's give Charlie and the management team a chance, and see how it goes.

If you look at the results against Brighton at theirs, we've got quite a decent record over the last few years...

COYB 👍💙

The guy is mental, and should have been locked up years ago.

Got a rap sheet longer than Snoop Dogg

Whereas Joey Barton has the brains to...?

It was more an attempt at a pun on Joeys criminal past (aka rap sheet) and Snoop Doggy Dogg's spitting skills (aka rap).

I have no beef with Snoop Lion and regard his Gin & Juice (and most of Doggystle) as the highwatermark of 20th century culture.

Grand Old Team...

Click on the GOT link at the bottom of the TW homepage Mark.

Generally, just talking smack about our Charlie.

In my addled state, I'm wrecked after too much exercise and looking after my mini-me...

I didn't get the subtle but very fun digs you made at Barton.

TBCH, regards his music, it sounds like NWA lite, but with more 'fantasy & fun' than the crime related South Compton crew.

Mind you, anything with Dr. Dre and or Timbaland associated with it works for me!

Pretty disappointed the backroom staff are a bunch of mates he trusts rather than some innovative young coaches. I was hoping a role for Carsley would be found, nevermind.

Do we need a set-piece coach when we only have limited quality to take the things?

I would have liked a throw-in coach, we must be the worst team in the league over many years at retaining possession from throw-ins.

Wonder if Baines scored more free kicks or assists than Charlie Adam? But yet Moyes brings another mate in whilst he has someone right under his nose who can do the job. The whole thing underlines the limited nature of who we have in charge.