Carlo Ancelotti to take over as head coach of Brazil

But then I'm an unashamed fan of the Great Man. Unlike many on here who can only trash-talk possibly the greatest football manager of all time.

Greedy Fucker!!!

Brazil appointing a 60-plus "busted flush" as their manager.

Good luck to him and hopefully he can spread the good word about Everton to his squad of players.

He got them promoted to Seria A.

Serial winner.

29 trophies (30 if you include a Charity / Community Shield).

And that's just as a manager before you start on his playing achievements.

The idea that he signed a contract without his agent and lawyer(s) understanding the shocking financial state of our club is unbelievable. It was common knowledge. Yet another who was happy to bleed us dry under inept Moshiri. We didn't know him.

Why all the bitterness, a true gentleman who still praises our club. He left us to go back to Real Madrid, a no brainer, especially as he could see what he was dealing with in our boardroom at the time.

Richarlison the new captain.

I don't think he bled us dry and don't believe money was a motivator for him.

Depending on what sources we believe, he was reportedly on about £12-13M a year.

Our current manager is said to be on £12.5M a year. Only Guardiola and Arteta rank above him. Again, caveat that with us not really knowing the detail.

Unfortunately, Everton were a basket case both on and off the pitch. Even he suffered a go-slow from Finch Farm and European Competition was not wanted.

PSR Rules were more than enough, with FFP Rules.

But on the last day of the season, we could still have qualified for Europe. Sod's Law, we were playing Manchester City as our final fixture.

His record speaks for itself. Unfortunately, Everton wasn't the club for him at the time. And he recognised that fairly quickly. I don't hold a grudge against him.

Had we backed him financially we'd have won silverware and had Champions League runs.

Not to be. Moshiri pulled the plug and a pretty average squad deteriorated rapidly — while others started spending the big TV money that started coming through.

There's a lot of work to do this summer. Moyes is a sensible choice to oversee it all for the next couple of years.

For me he has been probably the most successful club manager in modern history. Some of his sides have been quite exceptional.

But he couldn't get consistency from far better players than we have now. Quite how some expect other managers to get better performances raises an eyebrow.

Barely mustering a shot at home in most of our games, he repeatedly set up defensively against inferior teams. Took a 20m fortune and gave jobs to half his family.

Yet the excuses for the shambolic job he did still mount up to this day.

"Sods law we were playing Man City in our final game". Difficult to know whether to laugh or cry.

Why is this nonsense being spouted?

Does anyone have a link to this claim?

Remember when he let James fly home on the day of the city game.

The man bled Everton dry and left us with players on stupid wages

He was obviously going to be on high wages.

Colin, it's a mathematical fact we could have qualified for European football on the last day. The club at the time couldn't accommodate him.

Comment on his record as a player and manager. It is second to none.

In fairness Ryan, Moyes is on £5M a year. £12.5M over the course of his potential contract.

Very Everton that we are dismissing one of the greatest European managers to date as a money grabbing mercenary.

What's your view on his achievements in football Colin and Ryan??

I love how opinions are dismissed as nonsense. I always try to understand where people are coming from, even if I dont agree with them.

Can't get the link to copy but if you google... Irish Independent, L'Equipe and highest paid premier league managers.

It was a privilege to have him.

But he blew a hundred million pound hole in our finances when we were already skint. And left in a particularly graceless way.

As for Richarlison playing for Brazil, let alone captaining it, the one area Brazil are super strong is attack (and the goalies of course). Defence and midfield, much less so, in fact it will take some doing for that squad to win the World Cup.

No one else. Moshiri and Kenwright.

I can just imagine:

Receptionist: "Don Carlo itsa Everton ona telaphona."

Carlo: "For focaccia sake... tell them its pasta my bedtime."

Receptionist: "Everton, the player, Don Carlo."

For those who are critical of him, you don't get hired for a top job with a poor record.

We'll be moving into a wonderful new stadium that many clubs' supporters will be envious of. Who exactly facilitated the funding for that?

I rated him as a manager. I see his son has been appointed as Rangers Manager. It made absolutely no sense to appoint him but, like many, I was gobsmacked when we did.

One of the most shocking appointments of a manager in my time as a fan. Only surpassed by the even more shocking appointment of the guy that followed him.

Brazil, a byword for football par excellence, appoint a man who — according to many on here — failed at Everton when, for a few bob less, they could have had Mr Moyes! And now his son may be going to Rangers which is probably below our son of Celtic.

What is the world coming to? Never happened under Mr Kenwright. Oh no, Brazil isn't down the East Lancs Rd, is it.

When he realised this, he fucked off, as any serious football winner would.

I suggest just about every player, scout, agent and manager in the world of pro football still sees us as he, and many others, do.

Don, you always have a way with words. Succinct and to the point!

Colin, totally. Managers don't spend the money. They make recommendations and the owners make the decisions, just as they do when players are sold. It's often out of the manager's hands.

Right manager, wrong time for Everton Football Club.

Yes, Matt, I saw last night that Davide, apparently respected at Everton is odds on to become Rangers' manager. Good luck to him. Educated in sports science and specialising as a fitness coach. The Scottish league could be a good place for him to make his own way.

How can Carlo have been Everton's 2nd best Manager since Howard Kendall Mk 1?

Joe Royle was a far better Manager for us than him? When Joe took over, we were bottom of the League; he kept us up and we won the FA Cup? We beat a very good Newcastle side in the quarter-final, smashed a very good Spurs team in the semi-final, and beat Sir Alex's United in the Final.

Royle never lost a derby game either. The following season, he finished Top 6. Joe Royle won silverware for Everton Football Club, Carlo won nothing and you think he was better?

Dont you dare try to dismiss my opinion as "very Everton".

What is "very Everton" is the embarrassingly apologetic excuses you are spouting here - " Sod's law meant we played Man city in the last game" ????? What ??? All the other teams didnt have to play them twice too ????

You try to educate me with a mathematical "fact" Really ?

We played Newcastle. West Ham. Leicester. Fulham. Dyches Burnley. Palace. Villa and Sheffield United at home in the second half of that season. Thats a very gettable 28 points. we got TWO !!!

Most of those teams were inferior to ours at the time with far more problems than we had. Some of them even got relegated. Carlos ultra negative tactics ensured we barely mustered a shot in nearly all of those games - scoring a pathetic total of five And you think we didnt qualify for Europe because "sods law" took us to City on the last day ?

As for the ridiculous claim that managers don't spend the money. Do you really think his family members and his mates were head hunted by somebody else at the club ? Read what he actually said when HE gave Holgate ("Evertons future captain") his ridiculous contract.

How do we know he bled the club dry ? Despite leaving the team in free fall. He took 20m for 18 months "work". Gave several members of his family jobs they failed to do. rubber stamped ludicrous contracts that left us with years of deadwood we coudnt shift. Then had the effrontery to come back and sue us for win bonus's.

Ancelotti and his people have dealt with some o the most hard nosed business men in football. They have been there, done it and bought the tee shirt.How they must have rubbed their hands when they saw Moshiri and Kenwright coming. The suggestion that Those two clowns fooled HIM would be laughable if it wasnt so depressing.

"Yeah but he won stuff elsewhere".. So what ? that's not worth a blow on a ragmans bugle to Evertonians. I only care that he took the piss big time while he was here.

It would seem luck doesnt exist on TW, but good old "sods law" is very much alive and kicking

I've agreed with you. The "very Everton" comment wasn't aimed directly at you. I apologise if you took it personally.

I always don't like to have a go at fellow Evertonians, even if I disagree with them.

It seems you have with me.

Big shoulders thick skin. We can take it as much as we give it.

To be clear Colin, that comment was aimed at the club. For near on 40 years, we've been mismanaged. That's where "very Everton" comes from. In no way was it aimed at supporters.

The Don shrugs it off and shrugs his shoulder, not letting his coffee go cold.

That was a blood thundering FA Cup match by the way. Two teams going for it hammer and tongs. I love matches like that, even when it sends me into emotional anxiety.

A "very gettable 28 points" at home from 8 matches... only actually ever happens for the Redshite!

I think if you look at Koeman, who spent massive money on average players and gave them huge contracts, that's who left us with the deadwood we couldn't shift. That was the start of the downfall, he had an open cheque book.

I reckon Ancelotti was promised the sun moon and stars, and when he saw the hand he was dealt with, couldn't wait to get out. Probably the best club manager ever, unbelievable.

Read your post 26 It was most definitely aimed at supporters who didnt agree with you about Ancelotti. You make it clear that you are speaking to Me and Ryan.

I don't mind that at all. It's a debating forum and as you say, We give it. We take it. It passes the time between matches.

But honest to goodness Danny. If you are going to counter some very valid criticsm of Carlo. You have to come up with a better defence than "sods law". He had numerous bites of the cherry before City came along.

It feels very strange to me that so many people say Carlo was a great Everton manager, but can then only offer his achievements elsewhere to substantiate their argument.

Brendan

I didnt list all of the games, Just the ones against what I believed were inferior players. I think we should have beaten United and drawn against City if we were serious about qualifying for Europe,

But well done on the pedantry. . You've won me over. Of course it It wasnt those 28 dropped home points that cost us a place in Europe. It was clearly sods law.

Of course we will debate, agree and disagree. Question each other. I get and accept that. But I wasn't having a go at any supporter for their views.

I'm not sure Carlo was a great Everton manager, but with the right backing, he could have been.

We criticise and praise managers and players on our opinions. We won't always agree on them, but that's the beauty of debate.

Nothing from me personally aimed at anyone, so once again I apologise if you took it that way. I'm sure it would be a different conversation if we had this in person.

As it topical in the news right now, lets call a cease fire, as we clearly don't agree on this subject.

More importantly, we have a match to win on Sunday and I am sure we are all united in that given the significance of the occasion.

Astonishing that he had that squad perform better than any other Everton Manager bar Catterick & Kendall Mk I.

If only Moshiri could have got him in a few seasons earlier before all the money was squandered so badly!

Misunderstanding do happen. Especially when we are discussing the passion of our lives.

I could (and should) have made my points without directing them at you personally.

You have my apology too.

Ancelotti had a plan. Coach a higher standard out of limited players like DCL and Holgate and Davies. And kid the Premier League into believing the hype by signing Allan and especially Rodriguez.

It worked well until the opposition discovered Rodriguez was a defensive liability, Allan was flattered by the players around him at Napoli and, frankly, the squad (though fairly expensive) was no better than about 10th (and we were carrying some really crap players).

Even these glamour managers are all the same.

Take Simeone for example. Great manager but far and away the biggest budget in La Liga other than Barca and Real. Hence they're the third most successful club with only a few instances of over performance in his long tenure.

Hand him the reigns at Everton and I think you get something like a 10th place finish.

These managers are nothing with money and players.

I'm big enough and old enough to know if I post something, it can be in the firing line.

God bless and best wishes. Especially for Sunday. I hope the players and manager will be up for it as much as we will be.

It ended up like signing Lewis Hamilton to your Formula 1 team and giving him a Fiat 500 to race in.

The bit I remember, is when asked about his relationship with Carlo and he said, we got on really well and often went out for a meal. The reporter asked, "Who paid?"

And the reply came back, “Carlo never carried any money, just like our Queen, so yes, we had to put our hands in our pockets."

I think that says it all.

It was never going to work, but I was glad we had him. A class act regardless of his record here.

A win ratio of 46.27% at Everton, second only to Catterick and Howard’s first spell in the post-war period. As Danny says, we could have qualified for Europe on the final day of 20/21 season.

Managerial record:

- 5 Champions League wins.

- 6 League Titles in Italy, England, France, Spain and Germany.

- 4 domestic cups.

- 3 Club World Cups.

Since he left Everton, he has won 2 La Ligas, 2 Champions Leagues, 1 Copa Del Rey, 2 Spanish Super Cups, 2 UEFA Super Cups, 1 FIFA Club World Club and been given the best FIFA Football Cup in 2024.

That was after he was branded a dinosaur when hired and a mercenary when he left the shitshow.

Best of luck in your new role, Don Carlo!

For the last 4 years, our squad has been decimated and ravaged and I think we would all accept that those Everton managers were dealt the worst hands of any.

Despite this we would have had a 12th place finish last season and currently 13th this.

Yet the manager who had the 3rd largest net spend in our history, outspending Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal and the 7th largest wage bill in the Premier League in his full season managed a very underwhelming 10th place finish sandwiching 2 Championship squads in a season where it was never as easy to challenge the big boys who unprecedentally struggled to merge seasons.

Never had the incumbent at Everton been afforded the keys to the castle like the Italian was with his 2 players he insisted upon paid a reported 300k a week between them, with his only personal signing forcing the club to take a £17M hit after stinking the place out for 2 seasons.

We had managers qualify for the Champions League, 72-point seasons, FA Cup success and close calls and European runs… yet our best manager is the guy who achieved less than Dean Smith did during his full year. And let's not speak about the FA Cup debacle under Ancellotti. Even Koeman qualified us for Europe, for fuck's sake.

Ancellotti didn't have to build, to develop, to sacrifice, to nurture youth. He was given the tools to achieve his aim of qualifying for Europe and he failed.

Pound for pound, I would say he was a very poor Everton manager.

And yet plenty of Everton fans think he did a good job here — on second thoughts he did — for his bleedin' self!

Because Koeman got us into Europe, he was a better manager than Ancelotti? He was sacked the following October, when we were in the Bottom 3 after being embarrassed 2-5 by Arsenal.

How much did he spend on Klaassen, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Keane, Bolasie, plus a good few more, and then sells our only striker and doesn't even replace him?

Ancelotti bought Godfrey, Allan, Doucoure and James on loan; no comparison.

That was the 13th highest in the net spend tables for the 2020-21 season.

We were outspent that season by Leicester, West Ham, Palace, Villa – the now familiar Rich 8 – and (surprisingly to me at least) Leeds. Leeds had a net spend of a whopping €187M that season.

So I don't think Carlo was 'handed the keys to the castle' as you put it. He was given a bottom-half budget to work with.

We had invested heavily in the Moshiri years before his appointment – we were 6th in the net spend over that period (€206M) which was only exceeded by the slightly weird selection of Brighton, Wolves, Arsenal, Man Utd and Man City.

But I think it was fairly plain that period of spending was an utter idiotic disaster – and the squad he inherited may have been quite expensive, but certainly wasn't good (and had seen off, in Silva, a manager who might otherwise have done very well for us).

Ancelotti wasn't a success for us at all. He was a daft vanity appointment backed by a daft "shit or bust" strategy. But he wasn't backed financially. Which is a shame because any club that does back Ancelotti financially wins things.

Godfrey had a great first season, that he never followed up on. Allan was a good player, but didn't last a season. We got him a couple of years past his best. As for James Rodriguez, the player we never got to see in the flesh. If he had played 15 games a season, I would have paid more than double to watch him.

Without knowing the specifics, Koeman struck me as reluctant and not really wanting to be at Everton.

A player I admired. What a shot he had on him. But I wasn't impressed with him as a coach / manager.

A guy who insisted on a "get out" clause in his contract. Benitez may have called us a small club but Carlo enshrined it in law.

What's the Latin for "We are not worthy"?

I also disagree with you regarding Silva's squad which was also good but because he played a high line so he struggled when losing Zouma who was his key player. They had finished 8th the season before. Ancelotti only really had to sort out the midfield but it was this area which ultimately cost us.

Christy most Everton managers struggle after qualifying for Europe because our squads aren't built for the demands of both. You could argue Koeman had relative success which caused his failure. Ancelotti didn't even have relative success.

Carlo would have been perfect as Moshiri's first manager, not when we were skint and foolish.

We seem to agree our net spend was €63m that season. So not sure why we’re coming up with different figures

Robert perhaps you have not refreshed or something? Leicester virtually broke even that season.

Ancelotti 6th in net spend (inc Villa and Leeds)

You are pissing against the wind.

I always liken Evertonians who fawn all over this mercenary, to the guy who takes up with the girl who has slept with every man in town. He goes to the pub every Saturday night and boast about what a good time she gave everyone else (as if they didnt already know),
She is cold towards him and he sleeps in the spare room every night. She spends all his money then fucks off when an ex calls her in the middle of the night.
her ex dumps her and she goes back to sleeping with every man in town.
five years later, he is still going to the alehouse every saturday night and boasting to everyone about the great time she has given everyone else - As if they didnt already know.
Carlo's apologists will endlessly list every trophy he has won, but ask them what he did for Everton and they will fall silent.
Failures like Martinez, Koeman Silva and even big Sam all finished top eight. Yet carlo's fans will tell you he was Evertons best ever manager because he finished a lofty tenth playing football so unbearably tedious they'd have probably closed the gates at Goodison even if there wasn't a pandemic.

Calvert-Lewin, Godfrey and Holgate all had their most successful seasons at the club under Carlo's coaching. The impact he had on the young players is under-appreciated, and I think they would have better fulfilled their potential under him.

It is a regret for many Evertonians that we didn't get the chance to see James play at Goodison!

Interestingly, I have just finished Duncan Ferguson's autobiography and he is more positive about Koeman than I expected. Of course, his biggest praise is for working with Carlo, as echoed by Doucoure in his interview with Toffee TV yesterday.

There is no disputing he is a great manager.

He was just not right for Everton at that particular time. In a converse way, similar to how Moyes has turned out to be the right manager for us at this point in time.

Steve, we would have loved watching James, no matter how few minutes we saw him for. Many still fawn over Duncan and he gave us great moments. But I would like to see the stats on how many minutes he played for the time he spent with us. I won't slate him for injuries, just as I wouldn't any player.

Saha was another one. A great player, but allegedly refused to play unless he was absolutely 100% fit. There is probably a long list of similar players that have graced Goodison, albeit too briefly and not consistently.

Carlo has an incredible trophy record, and has won a lot with a lot of major, top-tier clubs. But he was never going to be a successful appointment here. The squad was a basket-case, patchwork quilt of a group, assembled by and for several different managers, and was lacking quality.

The irony for me is that David Moyes would have been a better appointment, despite the fact he's not even in the same league as Carlo Ancelotti. Different managers suit different scenarios, and like it or not, David Moyes, as he has done with our current squad, would have done well. Likewise, Carlo Ancelotti has outperformed his predecessors at Real Madrid, despite constant interference and despite having to balance egos and superstars.

Greatest club manager of all time? He's certainly earned his place in that pantheon. Greatest Everton manager of the modern era? Laughable claim.

I'm not a golfer, but like many recent Everton managers, he was handicapped. He said he wasn't a magician. If he'd have said it in layman's terms, he meant he couldn't polish a turd.

It all comes down to ambition and expectation. If we employ someone like Ancelotti or someone similar down the line, we have to back them with that expectation and ambition. That's what successful clubs do. We once secured Alan Ball for a then record transfer fee of over £100k.

Let's hope that our current manager is given the backing and then we can move onto something better to take us to the top.

"I think most contracts have a get-out clause in them"

Of course contracts will detail the steps to be followed in the event a football manager wants out, including the amount of compensation due to the club.

What is pretty atypical (unique, I'd suggest) in Carlo's contract is that, from the outset, he was allowed to walk with little or no compensation involved if another specified club (plural?) came in for him.

Sum's up Carlo's true opinion of Everton. He saw us as a small club and the fact that many Blues can look the other way is beyond me.

Or are you in the "It was Carlo fantastico... it was Real Madrid" camp?

I can't understand taking on a coach with no International experience, though? It is pretty different to club football.

I'm in the "he wasn't given the backing by the club" camp. If you employ someone of that stature and calibre, who has won everything, you have to give him the backing and support. We simply didn't or couldn't.

In my humble opinion, we set him up for failure, even though he nearly got us into Europe with one game to go.

A gamble that didn't pay off. But I blame the club more than the manager.

You suggest that Carlo wasn't going to be a success here based on what criteria?

In the time he was here, he had the 3rd best win ratio of any Everton manager. He bought 2 players in that time, Allan and James, and I think all of us would have loved to have seen James live but alas with Covid we never got that chance. Doucoure and Godfrey were signed when he was here but not by Ancelotti.

0He has done something no other manager has done — that is win all 5 leagues in the major leagues in Europe. Despite Real Madrid being massively successful, nobody has won more for them than Ancelotti.

As Danny quite rightly says, if Ancelotti had been backed with the finances, then I have no doubt we would now be challenging the Top 5 places at least. But he joined when finances were tight and, when Real Madrid come calling, I can't remember to many players or managers turning them down.

I would have had absolutely no difficulty with Carlo leaving for Madrid if it been the normal case of a Champions League club poaching another club's manager. Happens all the time.

My issue is that, when Carlo signed his Everton contract, he had his exit strategy built in and you don't insert a clause like that if you don't intend to use it.

It was flat out disrespectful.

All water under the Ponte Sant'Angelo now though.

Real Madrid seemingly called Ancelotti for advice and thoughts on several names on a shortlist they had for manager.

Ancelotti seemingly then offered to go "I'll do it" is what was claimed.

So the "if Real Madrid come calling" idiom may not actually be strictly relevant.

Do we know with any degree of certainty what was in Carlo's contract?

And if so... How?

I've crossed that bridge more than a few times and stood on the roof of Castello Sant' Angelo on my way to the Vatican, where I have one set of my Rosary Beads from. The other is from Bethlehem.

Top tip for those who haven't been to Roma, if you want to eat at a reasonable price, stay the other side of the bridge in the backstreets near the banks of the Tiber.

The river Mersey and the river Tiber (Tevere). Now with our new owners, that could catch on.

“Ancelotti admitted he was still an Everton supporter ahead of facing the Reds in this season's Champions League. Meanwhile, he sent a message to the Blues fanbase after beating Liverpool in the 2022 final – less than a year after his Goodison Park exit.

“That's right, I wasn't expecting the offer,” he told reporters when recalling how his return to the Bernabeu unfolded. “Real Madrid had phoned about other things and then I was asked if I wanted to come back.”

Link

Straight from the horse's mouth rather than Lineker guessing.

We know that Carlo's contract had a get out of gaol free clause, cos he got out of gaol free and Madrid didn't pay us a penny. I'm pretty sure that that clause wasn't our idea, it was obviously a condition Carlo insisted upon.

As an indication of how bad Carlo was, I was actually quite relieved when Madrid came in for him. My big fear after his underwhelming season was that he was going to act as Lampard went on to act, stinking the place out but refusing to resign. That would have cost us over £30M to sack him. Money we didn't have.

I'm speculating (unheard of on ToffeeWeb I know) pretty much along the same lines as Kevin #89 which reflects what was generally reported in the press at the time.

We, as Everton supporters, do that. We sign for life with no conditions attached. Most of us know no different from the day we are born and our first memories.

I don't hold a grudge against him for looking after himself. We all do that.

We have spanked millions over the years for dismissing managers. I believe it was a reported £6M into Allardyce's bank account. That we even employed the fraud and corrupt bar steward, let alone having to pay him off insults me more that anything Ancelotti may or may not have done.

As an aside, if we are to believe reports, the new owners played hardball with Dyche and he only got half of what he may have contractually been entitled to? Someone who reads into these things more than me will have to confirm or deny.

A sign of having more professional leadership? Time will tell but no thanks or the usual statement of gratitude. All done quite ruthlessly.

Funny, as you said it with such certainty.

Particularly you Brendan. I remember that you called me out when I misremembered a quote from Davide Ancelotti about Kenwright taking part in recruitment meetings. That was a quote I had read in an article 2 years before.

Whereas, you are just making it up as you go along and passing it off as fact.

Ironic really.

I've just googled 'compensation Everton madrid' in total confidence of finding the reports which I know I read at the time saying that Carlo had a release clause for certain clubs. And I can find no trace.

That is the strangest thing. I can only imagine they have been removed, perhaps under threat from Carlo's lawyers. So I'm now not nearly as sure on the compensation issue.

I've just read a couple of reports saying we were in fact paid £5m compensation. It's all very odd indeed. And shows that relying upon the internet to preserve what happened in the past can be a dangerous thing.

Yeah, the wins we should have had against lesser teams at home. 2 out if 28, right? What a farce.

He should have had the team winning more games and eventually getting Europe. He didn't.

I'll always remember him for fleecing us after he'd left.
Probably knowing the state of the financial side of things.

Money grabber. That's how I see him. Moshiri and the teary one fell for it.

The current owners wouldn't have their pants pulled down by this fella or anyone else. Real businessmen.

I don't fall for his false interviews about us. A load of shite.

Leave him and his millions in the past.

Roll on Sunday.

We were stupid enough to have Moshiri as an owner. Carlo has no ill feelings toward the club, he knows how those things happen.

And Kevin, not everything is available to a Google search. Maybe it is on the Dark Web…

It/s just a pity that the board lied to him about ambition, knowing we were in the shit financially, and unable to invest in better players.

Had that not been the case, I am sure Ancelotti would have added to our trophy cabinet by bringing in the quality of players our club should have.

Moyes stands to earn £12.5M out of our club if he lasts his contract. Maybe a pay-off if we depart of him before that.

God knows how much he earned out of us in his first 11 years without delivering a trophy under the same constraints as Ancelotti and other managers before and after.

This is it, Jay. You get what you pay for. Unfortunately, the club didn't back him to deliver what he is clearly capable of.

"Particularly you, Brendan. I remember that you called me out. "

Didn't realise you were such a sensitive soul. I'll endeavour to soften any comments I may make towards you in future.

Or if you prefer me to not make any at all... it'll hurt but I understand. Remember it's not you... it's me.

(ps: If I knew the emoji for a hug, I'd add a few!)

Moyes took about £30M out of Everton in wages over the course of a decade. I think we made that back and some with the profit we made on his last signing alone.

He probably increased the worth of the squad by about £200M during that decade. I don't think we should begrudge him his £3M a year — not after pissing up £500M against the wall after he left.

Ancelotti by contrast took out £20M for 18 months work and two mid-table finishes. And having cost us about £100M in the process through his crap buys and long contracts.

Fecking shameful post by the way.

Finished 10th but could have qualified for Europe on the final day. Beat Spurs in a fantastic 5-4 thriller. Stymied the RS 2-0, controlling the match.

And let's understand one more time: Carlo had Everton in 2nd place around Christmas.

Moshiri did not back him in January, unless you count Josh King. Everton ended 2020-21 with 59 points, 7th place Spurs had 62.

It would take a psychologist to figure out why some are so offended by Carlo.

In fact, I would argue the same for three more -- Allan, Gomes and Davies all tailed off significantly the season after Carlo departed.

Maybe coincidence. But maybe not.

Strangely it seemed to start happening around Covid and the "misinformation" censorship and has gotten worse since AI got involved.

If I was a Conspiracy Theorist, I would think it's more than a coincidence?

Sometimes, The Wayback Machine helps but you have to know the website and the rough date of what you're looking for.

Calvert-Lewin. Godfrey and Holgate all had their most successful season under Carlo. Mike G then argues the same about Allan, Gomes and Davies.

Wow....Way to go, Carlo!!!

Add the wonderful skills of Gylfi, the even more wonderful skills of James, the leadership of Seamus, the brilliance of Pickford, the wonderful crossing ability of Digne, the towering presence of Mina. Not to mention the brilliance of Brazil's Number 9. What a team!!!

Doesn't stack up, does it? Nor does the claim that we were unlucky not to qualify for Europe when you consider that we dropped so many infinitely winnable home points. playing with so much fear.

Mr Ancelotti was given an object lesson in the difficulties of managing teams without ready-made world-class defenders, creative midfield players with the ability to open up any defence, strikers who could turn matches against high quality opponents in a heartbeat... His silver spoon had been taken away. So what did he do?

Carlo Ancelotti – " At Everton we had a fantastic goalkeeper to kick the ball. Pickford was long ball. A fantastic striker to catch the ball (DCL). Why? The defender we are not so comfortable playing from the back.

Why I have to play from the back? I gave the ball to Pickford to put long to Calvert-Lewin and to fight for the second ball. You adapt the style of play to suit the characteristics of the players."

Well there you have it, guys. Straight from the horse's mouth. Despite all these claims of players improving and having the season of their lives under Carlo, despite starting off like a house on fire, Carlo simply didn't know how to cope when Chubby faced little Yorkshire men started standing up to him. He folded like a pack of cards – "I'm not a magician".

I know Carlo`s direct quote will be a kick in the bollocks to the snobs among us, but it will explain all those shot-shy home games where the opportunity to play in Europe was really squandered.

Proof – it it were needed – that the "professor" was playing Dycheball long before Sean came along.

He tried life without the silver spoon; he wont be trying it again.

Ancelotti fell foul like many before him and many after him have experienced.

A paper-thin squad. A core of 14 players before you hit the kids, that the academy wasn't and hasn't been producing at scale. The successful teams can probably put out two first 11s that would challenge.

It isn't the manager's fault, it is the way the club has been managed. How we didn't make the most of having a manager of this calibre is almost criminal. He must have realised that, supporters aside, we were amateur.

The Silver Spoon is an awful place when you get that end at Wembley. I much prefer the Green Man when we get that end.

Danny is spot on when he argues the only players that played their best football under Ancelotti were Godfrey and Calvert Lewin. With Dominic it's easy to see why when we had the quality of James and Digne feeding him, players most of the other managers didn't have as the financial cull set in.

The lack of accountability given to Ancelotti is unparalleled and had any other incumbent overseen a collapse like the Italian maestro it would have gone into ToffeeWeb folklore.. You have posters like Brian Harrison who were confidently predicting title challenges, then confident of Champions League, then it becomes convinced we will still make top 6 and finally he was convinced we would still make Europe of some description. Years later he is now confidently predicting that had Carlo been backed we would be a top 5 eide. Where is the evidence for a manager who was in free fall? The phrase once bitten twice shy springs to mind.

We have Dale arguing it was Moshiris fault for not backing him? This is unbelievable. Our neighbours who had just won the title meaning Klopp had earned them around 50 to 60 million was given less of a net spend than Ancelotti. Fucking Bizarre claim that he wasn't backed. Not only was he heavily backed by Everton standards but Moshiris belief that he had pulled off such a coup meant the resources he gave stack up with the elite of the Premier League as he was looking under the sofa to see if he had anymore change to give him.

Ancelotti led Everton to a finish below a Leeds team where the majority of that squad have been unable to play at Premier League level again. Bamford had a season like Woods is having now yet he couldn't even break into a Leeds team competing in the Championship. Their star player that season was Jack Harrison which shows the level of players he had at his disposal. It's almost criminal we finished behind them considering the position we found ourselves in with many of the top teams floundering as the two seasons nearly overlapped.

Now we have all these imaginary improvements of players under Carlo. Were Man City not said to be circling around Holgate when he singlehandedly tried to save Marco's job? You could argue Carlo ruined him by giving him that bumper contract which Moshiri was once again happy to dig deep at the behest of the Italian Maestro? Was Tom Davies not destroying the Man City juggernaut under Koeman? Did I imagine the Gana Games axis under Silva being a double act to be reckoned with?And don't get me started on Allan. No it was under Ancelotti they all prospered. I wonder how these posters view the job Bielsa did when the likes of Harrison and Bamford were strutting their stuff. Or Moyes with a weaker squad led his team to a European placing?

Going back to the thread I believe this is a perfect fit for Ancelotti. Brazil have some of the best players in world football who often get unstuck by a lack of balance or squad unity at major tournaments. They have appointed a manager who reads the flow of a game second to none and has a knack of making substitutions at the right moment in major tournaments where he is a serial winner. Tonight I will be collecting a few quid as I was adamant that Flick would deliver the title when 4 points behind Madrid.

Essentially I was backing against Ancelotti. I think I will be putting a bit of my winnings on Brazil to win the world cup as this is Ancelottis forte.

By the way Colin your line that we played such tedious football that we would have closed the gates at Goodison even if there was no pandemic was an absolute peach and had my sides splitting. Fair play.

He wasn't a magician and he'd have needed to be.

I also think that team would have been booed off the pitch a few times at Goodison for their pitiful performances.

Ancelotti —All that glitters is not gold!

Brazil will suit him, he will spend most of the time in Europe, looking at all the Brazilian players, then travel first class to Brazil, stay in 5-star hotel,s oversee the players etc.

A pretty good life… and he will call it a day in about 4 years time.

Ancelotti is a great, great manager. But we're not judging him based upon his legacy elsewhere, which is stellar, but upon his performance as Everton manager. In his only full season, we scaled the dizzying heights. But we finished 10th. He was given carte blanche to sign the likes of James, Allan, etc, and had a great half season, but the second half was an unmitigated disaster.

We've had people do much worse jobs here. But given the respective strength of his squad, did he really do that much better than the likes of Silva, Martinez, Koeman?

There he is. Standing in the dock. Confessing that as soon as he realised how good DCL was at controlling the big boot he encouraged his team to play like that and you are still finding him NOT guilty.

Please don't give me the paper thin squad excuse. Only the very elite clubs have players for every position and we certainly were not competing for their places.

Most of the managers who came to the old lady and beat him had nowhere near the talent carlo had at his disposal and had even thinner squads than he did.

You claim Carlo was unlucky not to qualify for Europe, (Sods Law, you say) but the simple fact is: if he wasn't schooled AT HOME by relegated managers like Scot Parker and the illustrious Paul Heckingbottom. or that master tactician, Sean Dyche (who beat the drop by one place). We would have qualified.... Try telling all those clubs that Carlo was given a raw deal.

Conor

I've decided to stop pissing. I suggest you do the same. I've come to the conclusion that the unshakeable determination to ignore all the facts is absolutely impenetrable. Carlo's lofty 10th place finish may not have been able to match any of the five managers before him...but it would "take a psychologist to figure out why people are so offended" by him, or the sugestion that he didnt take the piss and was one of Evertons greatest ever managers

Carlo came and went. He is part of our past, not our future. That's all I care about.

Just calling out your bullshitting.

You’re welcome.

He created an environment where good players thrived.

Gomes never shone after his initial spell at Everton, his good games were as rare as as assist or goals and he was as slow as he was before and after his injury v Spurs which Mike &(103) has pointed out more than once on ToffeeWeb.Tom Davies looked like he had a good career ahead of him before the Italian came to manage Everton but he was a very slow learner making the same mistakes time after time before, during and after the Italians time here.

It always seemed a bit different with Anthony Gordon.

Just glad you shared and sorry you had to wait such a long time to get me back... erm... top post as always BTW!

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Jonjoe Kenny last time I heard of him got a good deal back in Germany and wouldn’t be surprised to see him back in the premier league next season—— maybe with Sheffield Unt.

Anthony Gordon always had it in him to be a consistent player in the premier league, from the first time I saw him in the youth teams, he could get you off your seat with a lovely bit of skill then go missing for large parts of the game, he was doing the same when he reached the first team and wasn’t doing enough to justify his inclusion in the team, but he did enough to convince Newcastle to pay £40M for him and since then he has come on very well with his increased fitness helping him to play for England and maybe be interesting clubs higher up the ladder than Newcastle.

I look forward to more fictional insights on Carlo’s Everton contract.

Which post from Andy... 122 or 123?

A compliment from someone who always is... that's an "honour"