A quick counter sinks Everton in yet another dismal home defeat

Attack! Attack!! Attack!!!

Nah...

Totally flabbergasted, not an attacking line-up, our best centre-back and best midfielder playing out of position, and Armstrong, a midfielder, probably out of position also on the wing. Tim is no replacement for Garner.

Speechless.

I think he's trying to wind us up? Armstrong is not a winger.

As for Garner at right-back, I know he can play there but, for fuck's sake, he should be in the middle.

I hadn't seen the team Tony put up @60, but I kinda knew he would be right as soon as I read his post. Very disturbing the way half the city know the team 6 hours before it is officially announced.

It's happening with increasing regularity.

Shoehorn FC is the new name at the Hill "we haven't a Dickie what's going on" Stadium!

A right back, a left back and a right winger on the bench.

But on the pitch: A central midfielder playing right back, a centre back playing left back and a centre midfielder playing right wing?

Where is Alcaraz?

I hope me is wrong and it all goes to plan - but I am really scratching my head here!

I hope it is not another - go 1 behind and then change it to a line-up at least representing something that resembles the players in their best and correct positions - and then chase the game at home - again!

Happy to have big sized ostrich egg all over my face at full-time!

I think he will end up a very good player, he is 100% definitely not a wide player.

Decision taken early on the young winger George?

Different to our day, this Twitter and the other ones spread it very fast, I suppose.

Enjoy the game.

How many times did Tim lose the ball when he came on against Bournemouth?

Two right-backs on the bench and no Alcaraz, considering he said we had a fully fit squad apart from Grealish?

Also, the inclusion of Gueye again, who's struggled since Afcon, yet he's blanked Rohl.

Feel like turning back and going home. I hope I'm wrong but I've a feeling it's going to be one of those nights.

As Neil Young said on his last visit to Goodison -- If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with...

Chase the game - leave gaps - go 2 behind then swap Barry for Beto in a cunning Baldrick-like plan!?

It reminds me of Frank Spencer and his aptitude test in the RAF with Fulton Mackay.

Fingers crossed he proves the doubters wrong!

As Neil Young said on his last visit to Goodison - If you cant be with the one you love. Love the one youre with

Dour Davey strikes again.

Is Dyche available?

Then again, he could also play behind with Garner instead of Gana Gueye and Tim Iroegbunam.

Tyrique George played well against Bournemouth in my opinion and I'd prefer to see him starting on the wing.

Oh well, let's see if Moyes can prove us wrong, COYB!!

But now you mentioned Mr Young. I may even agree with 5% of what you say now. Seriously Great reference.

Tonight? "Down By The River" I will listen again if we win... or lose tbh.

Another formation concocted using a Sharpie and a blindfold.

For fuck's sake, Moyes, show a sign, any sign at all, that you have an ounce of intestinal fortitude and a vertebral column.

Garner is poor alongside Gana and we have done well when he's played in either full-back positions but especially right.

Garner overlapping with Armstrong inside should provide balance and help control midfield.

Amad is quick and skillful, a bit like Neto, so I can understand Branthwaite.

I don't like the centre-back pairing or no Alcaraz on the bench but the rest as expected.

If you get an opportunity to start and put in a really good performance where the team also gets a win against a decent team, only to be dropped again once the manager's favourites are back, what kind of motivation does that give you?

I think we've all had similar experiences in a job, such as gone for promotion, only for someone else to get the job because they're friends with the boss or his/her family etc. I don't think that's very good man management, tbh.

Hope the lads play their best game of the season and somehow smash the reds, and prove all us doubters wrong!

But Garner at 6, Dewsbury-Hall at 8 and Armstrong at 10 excelled together when Gueye was away.

I'm worried having Gueye and Tim together, and hope no early yellow for Tim.

Not exactly brave or inspirational but it would be a big 3 points against an in-form team.

Good luck, lads.

Garner at full back won3 drawn 1 lost 1

I'm happy that midfield has been broken up as Garner isn't the same player alongside Gueye.

In fairness to Moyes George didn't take his chance. I would like Dibbling with Garner outside but he's not a Moyes player.

Patterson never looked better than when he got a brief run of games when Keane was suspended, can't believe he wasn't first choice right-back today. Also would have Beto instead of Barry for his physicality. Outside of Barry, Moyes really doesn't rate any of our most recent signings, does he?

Despite being underwhelmed with the starting XI, I still think we can beat these today, COYB!

"I think some of the best teams, you look at Man City over recent seasons, they've not been shy to do it when they have had to.

"Jarrad is more than comfortable to be a left-back as well as a centre-back. He's quick, big, gives us the size which we were a little bit concerned about not having big Jake [O'Brien] tonight.

"He's a really talented player but we are trying to manage his minutes after coming back from his hamstring injury and Michael Keane and James Tarkowski have been doing really well this season. Hopefully they keep performing as well as they have done."

No way that happens at the other place.

As for Beto/Barry, I'd go Barry as well, because I think Beto is just, well, he's just shit.

Fucking pussy, it's not even cold.

I would hardly call giving George 2 starts him not taking his chance.

Branthwaite playing out of position at left back is an immediate upgrade on Mykelenko

Armstrong on the left is causing Barry to come and support him, he's just not a winger and you can tell Garner would much rather be in midfield.

Best players in first half, Garner and Dewsbury-Hall, Keane's been solid as well.

Toothless up front but not getting overrun in midfield as feared... we need to find some scoring threat from somewhere.

Either team could win this.

Rip up your contract, go sign for another club and get some game time.

Moyes surprised us with his team selection; let's see if he can continue the surprises with his substitutions.

Man Utd will step up second half, we have to at least match them. Barry is not having an impact, I'd pull him.

Dave @51 bet you he surprises us by switching Barry for BetNO around 60 minutes

Moyes is doing himself no favours. I can remember years ago before he left, we had exactly the same frustrations, but can't quite remember which positions and players.

I think one of them was we were all screaming for him to start Anichebe and Anichebe proved us right.

At corners and getting sucking into stupid drama. We must have wasted 3-5 minutes against our fucking selves!!!

You cost us the game.

Played for the 0-0 smash and grab at home... shambles.

Moyes reactive, nervously protecting his beloved nil-nil for as long as possible.

There's the difference. Neither team was very good but only one of them has a serial cowardly loser as a manager.

We have no awareness about who we've left back even near their box. It's criminal. We got away with one just before the goal. Done by 1 pass. I would out pace Keane in a foot race.

Gana Gueye is too slow now. Thanks for everything but he needs dropping. George offered pace when he came on but everyone else is too slow. Only Dewsbury-Hall and Garner showed any desire to get on the ball and Dewsbury-Hall was wasteful at times. I don't think Beto touched it once.

He's dogshit.

I know we have had Rugby League... Rugby Union coming soon. It's embarrassing playing like that!!! £65 to watch the paint dry.

Darren England is Sunday morning level!!!!

Our corners are straight out of the public park football manual. Is there no one who can try something different?

What an asshole!!

As soon as we all seen that starting lineup at 7pm we all said we wouldn't score, how very predictable.

The form at home will see Moyes sacked this summer, no doubt about that.

We've basically rode our luck in quite a few away games but I expect that will change on Saturday at Newcastle somehow.

TFG and Moyes bollocksed it up by not signing goals last summer and the failure to address the lack of a striker in January just sealed the deal for me.

29 goals all season, horrible return that.
4 home wins all season, none at home since people started putting the Christmas tree up on the 9th December.

The Burnley game will be much the same, probably a predictable 1-1 draw.

Man Utd win, Rooney will be happy.

He picked the unbalanced, non-threatening pedestrian line-up. He is so frightened to lose so we are delivered utter bollocks. We have players with talent but they are not allowed to play. He insists and persists in square pegs.

Europe? You 'avin' a laff? 5 or 6 points to season end maybe. Change required at season end. Thank you, Mr Moyes, but no thank you. I have to watch. I will always watch but currently, I hate watching. Total bollocks. Frightened bollocks.

Garner may or may not be a better right-back than Patterson, but he's definitely our best midfielder. And Armstrong is a central midfielder only, who wasted out wide. We have 2 or 3 that can play as a wide midfielder/winger before Armstrong.

Ridiculous lineup. Moyes brought us into the new stadium as a Premier League team, which was his remit, but time to go at the end of the season.

We don't have a brave manager. Totally backfired playing Garner and Branthwaite at full-back and Armstrong on the wing, putting Gueye and Tim in midfield.

A toothless selection... and then the audacity to pick two full-backs on the bench.

I can't think of a team with a worse choice of forwards than us.
They bring on Sesko; we've got... well, exactly.

Home form is wretched.

I've defended that twat to the hilt but his arrogance in playing square pegs in round holes boils my piss.

I think we actually created one chance all night, Armstrong just after half time and that was it.

A team that lacks pace lacks creativity lacks goals and lacks home results, we are very lucky we've got as many points as we have.

I'm sick to death of that man's tactics, I'll stick my neck out here and say we won't win another home game this season, we are fucking awful.

I don't think they will sack Moyes, they can't even be bothered to visit the ground. As long as they can get the Rugby matches and anything else they can get in the new stadium, they're on a win.

Moyes keeping us midway in the league might be good enough for them?

Moyes? Say nothing.

It was full of gusto and heart but surely that's the least that should be on show anyway, playing in a new stadium that hosts 52,000.

As I said before kick-off, the sword Moyes will die on is the home form, that's what's going to inevitably lead to his sacking this summer.

I'd love to see a more mature and experienced Marco Silva given another bash at the gig.

Thomas Frank I'm not sure about as, based on what many Spurs fans said, he's prone to being rather negative and cautious. I think he could easily fall into that safety-first trap managing us too, I'm not sure how much patience our fans will have now with yet another safety-first manager.

I do fully expect, however, Moyes to be moved on in summer, but then again, we have heard fuck all from TFG anyway about what they want for this football club so who knows.

Why can Moyes not see what all of us ignorant amateur managers can see?

Why didn't we move out to the 6-yard line and move in? Any variation would have been better than that. It certainly shows that we desperately need a set-piece coach as something is drastically wrong in training.

As for the result, a draw would have been a fairer result, apart from Man Utd's breakaway goal, which was quality in a match that had little, otherwise there's not much between us and them and we aren't the easiest team to play against.

Not a prayer they'll let go of him in the summer, he'll see his contract out, I'm certain of it.

But he's taking us absolutely nowhere and personally I'd go for Frank, but would our fans have the patience for him to build a side? Sadly, I think not.

Anyway, that conversation is for another day, we are stuck with Mr Square Peg Round Hole for the foreseeable.

Moyes is so rigid... he never tried Ndiaye on the other side as he got no change out of Shaw.

Subs were baffling. Armstrong a threat all game should have gone central as Dewsbury-Hall was awful.

Then 2 strikers in Dyche Mk 2 tactics.

Hard watch that last 20 minutes.

"I do fully expect, however, Moyes to be moved on in summer, but then again, we have heard fuck all from TFG anyway about what they want for this football club so who knows?"

The silence is deafening.

But I also think him keeping us in a mid-table position might be good enough for them if they can still make money from other activities at the stadium, such as the rugby. To a businessman who doesn't really need to make any more money, small profit is better than no profit.

Dan the invisible is turning to be a bit of a Moshiri...

What does it take for Freidkin and his team to wake up?

I cannot understand Moyes and his insistance to play Gueye who has lost his legs. It is also the Muslim fasting month and to ask a 37-year-old to play 90 minutes is suicide.

I am a huge Moyes fan but today was another throw away. I would have preferred Armstrong in place of Gueye. Why was Armstrong playing as a winger? He did not make a single cross, even in good positions? Very disappointing!

Utter shit show.

Bus parked, attacking players in defensive roles, four centre-backs across the back... rinse and repeat.

Someone tell Dour Davey you don't get a point for a 0-1 defeat.

I try to be grown up on here but when I have to watch this nonsense, I think I can be forgiven for a childish little outburst after a few lagers, haha!

But yes, we are on the same page.

I have Nil Saris Nisi Optimum tattooed on my back and I don't think Moyes knows what that actually means.

Terrible team election, ugly football and embarrassing set pieces.

Don't think luck had anything to do with it.

We could have had a draw but in fact neither team deserved to win, imo, and Moyes’s use and non use of players had quite a lot to do with that.

Different players and different tactics, especially the latter should be tried and a new manager to make those changes shouldn’t be out of the question. What are the new owners going to do about it?

The Villa midfield should have been retained. We should be using Aznou and Patterson at full-back. They might not be the business defensively, but they'll develop and improve, and they'd give the opposition something to worry about. As it is, opposition teams know they needn't worry about us attacking. Our dipshit loser strikers couldn't score underwater with a tank of oxygen, and our wingers don't do anything because there's nobody overlapping, giving them time or space.

Without Pickford, we're bottom five. I don't see where the next win comes from.

Cant fault the effort but the quality I certainly can.

The managers most often used attacking threat tonight was to push Branthwaite up high and knock long balls in to him looking for second balls.

Bet Pep doesn't know that one

How lucky we all are to have this genius...sucks the life out of the crowd with his set up...thats the HDS conundrum!!!

Are you Davy Moyes in disguise? Haha

His own likely perception!

It's just a shame that it came crumbling down for Bobby Brown Shoes too quickly because ever since then we've had nothing but dour shite thrown out way again.

I mean I know Carlo was here but it all just felt right man wrong time both for the stage of his career and where we were at then also, plus the COVID season was batshit crazy behind closed doors.

This is meant to be a new era for the club but it all feels like I've seen this movie time and time again before, it's becoming boring.

or a bad tool always blames his workmates!

Being happy with boring and dull chanceless football at home whilst it is still 0-0 is simply not acceptable.

I called a 1-0 defeat 5 minutes into the game. Predictable and ultimately embarrassing. Going to home games is soul destroying.

Unless you're called Jamie Carragher... haha!

I’m still not sure that we’re totally safe from getting dragged into the fight at the bottom. All the teams down there are playing better than us and the league is very tight.

Moyes was necessary last season and this, but he has to go for next season or the crowd will turn; there’s no progression and no entertainment, it’s a chore to watch us. Hopefully we go for Iraola or maybe even a return for Marco Silva.

Any pace in the squad was sadly left on the bench at the start.

We are in mid table,and that’s exactly were we will finish.

'Ach, they take too many chances and don't have enough height on corners'

This is the guy who told Rio Ferdinand to watch videos of Phil Jagielka ffs.

Fear and mistrust of football and footballers. Has never and will never bring excitement on a regular basis. He was an necessary evil this time last year, but he's single handedly killed the best new stadium in the country with his banality this season.

Players shoe horned into positions they aren't comfortable in. I would say he can't be blamed for our lack of goals but it's not like we create much is it? You would think that when it's obvious your first choice 2 strikers aren't fit for purpose, then you would try something different. But not the Moyesiah, he always knows best.

He uses a talented central midfielder on the wing, leaves 2 natural wingers on the bench, then compounds that by playing another midfielder at full back and out best central defender at full back, then puts 3 full backs on the bench. The man is clueless.

As for the subs, they are clearly not to be used until we fall behind.

How anyone can even suggest this serial failure of a manager should not be sacked at the end of the season is beyond me.

We might be 8th now, but we definitely won't finish the season there. How many times have Everton finished the season with a minus goal difference with this Dinosaur in charge?

Amen brothers

Jamie Spitty's got me fuming, put Neville Southall at No 8 and saying he deserves a statue at Bramley-Moore Dock. He's obviously taking the piss, the wanker.

Can you imagine the weight of the crushed spirit in that dressing room

Are we trying to he’s our gaffer and we’re proud to know him. He walked out on us once and we welcome him back like the prodigal son.

The leagues most boring manager and guess who is the most boring team to grace the turf of the HD Stadium in its inaugural year. Yes it’s us.

Can I make a request for the pre match music.

I want hear the Bay City Rollers blasting out at the next home game “ bye bye Davey, Davey bye bye”

Thanks for turning it around last season but please go now and take your dithering cowardly nil-nil shit with you.

I come on here to find Stephen Stills’s “Love the one you’re with” credited to Neil Young, who only ever sang it as a quarter of CSNY.

I’m off to bed.

At the start of every season we should be trying to win every competition we enter.

I think we have to accept that this season is going to be a midtable transitional one. The main thing being ending this down towards the relegation area

We can all see the players who are not good enough and will hopefully part ways in the Summer, however, financially, I still think it will be another 2 seasons before we can compete in the European spots

Maybe in future windows we can get players who will be picked to play in the positions they’re best at

Another fucked up week

It was “only” 0-1 yet seats were emptying in blocks from the 85th minute.

I honestly thought we’d get an equaliser. Why leave when it’s only 0-1?

They didn’t deserve to win that, they were nothing special at all. But crucially, neither did we. We’re just not assertive enough. We played “reasonably well”, just without conviction that we were going to win it, or that we even could.

George coming on (far too late) gave me a glimpse of what could’ve been, and what might be, when Moyes has gone.

Jimmy Garner was superb, but at right back, not where it would’ve made a difference, in centre mid. Corners? FFS, every single one of them to the near post into a scrum of players. IF we had scored I guarantee VAR or the ref would’ve disallowed it. No guile whatsoever.

Tbf, I thought Barry played well. Never gave up. Won his duels and headers but no-one to feed off him.

Gana was poor. KDH not much better. Ndiaye is a genius dribbler but it comes to nothing.

Tim was unlucky to come off - I thought he was better than Gana.

Armstrong is a good footballer but not a left winger. Dibbling must be shite in training.

Alcaraz was on the cover in the programme but not even on the bench.

It’s all very confusing, frustrating and disappointing.

Then, to make a bad evening even worse, I learned that the “unlimited” drinks deal in the Village stops at full time and got charged £6.50 for a stout.

On the drive up here my son was furiously defending Moyes.

Now he isn’t.

“I have Nil Saris Nisi Optimum tattooed on my back.”

I hope you didn't pay the twat mate! UTFT

Even when we had a very good team under Moyes he would revert to negative formations and never challenge teams above us.

Armstrong left mid was there for work rate and possession. Garner playing right back was there to stop Cunha.

George did enough in 15 mins to justify a run in the team. Why buy the lad and not play him.

United came to hit us on the break and did just that. I would set the team up like they did tonight.

Ndiaye false 9 and pack the midfield. I have had enough of the 2 strikers. We are playing with 10 men every game.

I didn't think anyone played particularly badly tonight. Lack of quality and guile is costing us. If KDH or Ndiaye aren't involved we won't score.

We’ll keep our season tickets but sell them match by match on the ticket exchange until he is gone.

Hopefully this won’t be necessary but I’m becoming increasingly worried about our absentee owners.

Near the end, following a corner, the United keeper went down on his goal line. The ref then seemingly did an uncontested drop ball that the keeper picked up and took to the edge of the box before rolling it out to kick it. Barry tackled the ball and went round the keeper and was going to score into an empty net but the ref blew up for a free kick?

Why??

So just why, still, after decades of signing shit strikers, does Freidkin still put up with it, squandering our entire budget in the process?

Barry should have rolled that in and seen what var said.

The goalie got the bounce ball. Took it to the edge of the box and dropped it again, at that point the ball was surely in play?

Maybe a couple of our resident referees can make sense of it.

Not a bad tackle in the match but the ref played whoever hits the deck first gets the foul. United took the piss with the diving antics. Why didn't mbermo get booked for feigning injury when he ran into Tarkowski? The diving is beyond pathetic now.

I stand by that statement. I hope Roberto was there on a fact finding mission as to what we need in the summer.

I am an Evertonian - my formation was in the 60’s when Nothing But the Best is Good Enough”. David Moyes or any manager for that matter, is not going to rob me of my identity as an Evertonian.

Roberto knows what is expected by Evertonian’s. Moyes out Martinez in.

I am going to finish the rest of the posts but I have to go out. Back later

He will say we nearly got a point, they have that bit more quality because they spend more.

In truth they weren’t very good, and neither were we.

We set up as ever, not to lose. We rarely put players into advanced positions and we simply sought to hang in the game and hope for a break.

And that in a nutshell is the limit of our ambitions currently, and if that excites you then I wish you well.

The problem was that we are so badly coached on set pieces, all crammed on the goal line for every delivery, no variation, thats the problem, remember Einstein's comments about doing the same thing and expecting a different result ?

It will be interesting to see, but I bet without a shadow of a doubt that Moyes will bring in a set piece coach in the summer, obviously Charlie Adam was not the answer.

By the way, what a disgrace that the line-up gets leaked across the city 6 hours before the game. There remain too many unprofessional clowns in the club at all levels.

Just one fucking match with Garner, Armstrong, KDH in central midfield; George and Ndiaye out wide (or Ndiaye as a 10 and Dibling wide, and Armstrong to the bench); and Branthwaite as a center back: Patterson and Mykolenko/Aznou at fullback.

With that starting XI at least it feels set up to attack. Can’t hurt at this point to give a line-up like that a few matches. We all know it won’t happen. I defended Moyes until now figuring he deserved next season with a healthy squad. But now he has one, and he refuses to drop Keane or Tarkowski or Gana, plays Armstrong and Garner out of position, and seems to be sucking the life out of a squad that is average but at least has potential.

As I didn’t watch, I can’t give the referee answer to why Barry didn’t score on the drop ball, but my guess is that the whistle blew for whatever reason, and at that point it doesn’t matter if you put the ball in the net because it can’t count.

First half nothing much happened, Barry charged down the United keeper's effort from the kick off and then the first shot we had was in the 38th minute with a long range effort from garner from a free kick and then a few minutes later we got our first corner.

We kicked off the second half and Moyes will be giving somebody whatfor for trying something different from the kick off which led to an effort by Armstrong.

We attacked a lot more in this half but fell for a sucker punch leaving Keane alone with a Utd forward who had him for pace and perhaps with better planning we'd have had somebody quicker, say Branthwaite, back there or two defenders to the one attacker.

Later in the half, 74th minute(?), Barry seemed within his right to take the ball off the keeper and he would have been better putting the ball in the back of the net and letting VAR make it's usual unexpected decision seeing as how they couldn't unless he did net it.

The biggest disappointment was Garner at right back when the midfield was crying out for him. Dewsbury-Hall tried hard but they all looked like they didn't know each other and while Gana didn't have a bad game just doing what he does, he doesn't give a great deal going forward.

In all, neither side seemed worthy of a win.

You fucked up badly there, Jay.

So far this season, in footy terms like the shite we saw last night -- C-. But it's the bank that matters for Saint Daniel the Absent -- not the pitch.

Classic, watching him scratching his head as the presser begins.

At the moment, our whole team is close to the three of theirs in value, everyone wants expansive full-on attacking other teams.

Man Utd showed some of our limitations: we were in the process of attacking their goal, it breaks down and our defenders and midfield weren't fast enough to get back to provide cover.

I don't get it sometimes... everybody just wants the head of the manager, but to me, for whatever reason, Moyes just fits with Everton. I'm not saying he is without a lot of faults but he just seems to fit -- look at the list of managers that have replaced him before returning.

We need to hire the best training coaches who can improve our players' skill levels, hire scouts to scout the 6 regions of the world on a permanent level, and all scouts living in those regions.

Yes, we lost to Man Utd but, even up to the last minute, it felt like we still had a chance of getting something out of the game.

I sincerely hope Dinosaur Dave isn't the manager once this season is over.

Not at all intimidated. Gave the Rat two good pushes. The Rat just stood there arms in the air.

The best I can say about that match is I didn't think we deserved to lose, but that is very faint praise.

Man Utd were poor and looked there for the taking, but our team is set up for kick, rush, eyes closed, fingers crossed, clench your cheeks attacks. It more hope the ball ends up in the back of the net.

I don't buy the excuse of not buying a right-back or striker. We have a fit right-back who doesn't get picked; instead, the Moyesiah turns wine into water and hopes eventually we win one and people say it's a masterstroke.

As for our strikers, fuck me. Are they bad or are they being managed bad? And if they aren't scoring, is there a chance as manager you can try something different? I don't think Moyes wants to because he's playing games to get more transfer kitty in the summer.

I'm fed up with this charlatan. His greatest skill has been to convince some fans he is capable of taking the club he "loves" higher than his ability will allow. He is self-serving, not my manager.

At least Dyche knew the ceiling of his ability.

Ndaiye as a false 9? No thanks, Shaw had him in his arse pocket and, not for the first time, not one decent cross came from either wing.

We don't score goals because we've got no creativity, not one chance created last night and not for the first time.

I thought Barry was okay last night. Tarkowski was absolute dogshit yet again last night. I honestly can't wait to see this prick fucked off, he's more interested in looking for a fight when we get a corner, throwing players on the floor.

He got left for dead last night by Sesko for the goal even though he had a head start. It's okay blaming the strikers for lack of goals but we don't keep clean sheets either.

I feel sorry for all of the fans in the stadium. Terrible football.

You could see Man Utd scoring every time we chase a game: big gaps at the back, defenders too slow... why not keep Branthwaite back who's got a bit of pace and someone else?

Moyes never tries anything different with his tactics... I'm fed up with him, 2 steps forward and 3 back.

Last night was decided by quality. Add some more this summer as we did last and we'll stay on the right track.

I hear what you're saying but we actually have been okay at the back; we're 5th in the Premier League this season for clean sheets, so it's the attacking side we are lacking poorly.

I said at the start of the season, Tarkowski should not be in the team, never mind captain! The signs were there at the end of last season: he's getting slower and clumsier by the week.

Danny, "Barry quick to get the ball out of his feet" -- are you joking? He can hardly stand up, never mind control the ball with his feet... but sadly we don't have anyone better.

Your view of Barry is bollocks.

But a parting of the ways at the end of the season is best for everyone.

But don't predict the score for Newcastle (A).

I was going to post something last night regarding an issue around these two posts but I thought it would have looked like I was picking on David Moyes and I didn't want this to be the case because I couldn't fault the effort of the team last night.

Carragher was praising Moyes for getting us to 9th, saying we have nowhere near the 9th-best squad in the Premier League. Although this is subjective, I would counter that by saying it's obvious that Everton are not in the Top 10 for playing easy-on-the-eye football.

I think we definitely have enough good players in the squad to get to 9th in the table, especially because it's a very mediocre league.

Carragher was part of a very poor Liverpool team that won a Champions League against arguably the best team in Europe, Milan, in Istanbul, and if you labelled that same claim at him, I'm sure his reply would be, "But we fucking won it though, didn't we?"

We can continue to accept mediocrity, even though I thought we were better than that last night, except maybe that we just didn't have enough quality in the final third, often because players made the wrong choice rather than anything else, or we can start demanding a lot more.

A stadium with 52,000 people attending every week has got to be our starting point and anyone who truly understands the force of Evertonians will already know that the best way to generate noise inside the stadium is by getting Everton to play fast, aggressive, front-foot football.

Easier said than done, I know, but it's not impossible... although maybe it is with our current owners because one thing that is not up for debate is that TFG simply don't understand us.

Forwards crap, tactics smothering... Yes, fed up with what we see and experience at home.

The most obvious fact was that, if we had put the ball in the net from any of those corners, then the referee or VAR would have disallowed it. He was a no-contact ref. Why did we persist with it?

Our build-up at home is so methodical, mechanical, slow and boring that we are always facing a solid defensive wall. Our limited attack has no chance.

Effort was on show in abundance but talent was not. Our young potential, apart from Armstrong, is not being given a chance. I don't mean a 15-minute cameo to turn a game around. What is the point of buying young talent if they only warm the bench??

Grrrrrrrr! Angry old man.

Great point, Phil.

I remember speaking to Dyche about this and he said there are that many ‘friendly with each other Evertonians' inside Finch Farm that he thought it would be impossible to find the culprit.

But this is part of the problem for me, and shows a complete lack of professionalism in certain areas of the club.

The best way to generate noise inside the stadium is by getting Everton to play fast, aggressive, front-foot football.

You took me back to noise and fuck shinpads Dave Thomas, Tony. Thanks, mate.

He totally bottled it again, picking our best midfielder and centre-back at full-back, playing Gueye and Iroegbunam in midfield, and putting Armstrong on the wing. He's toothless.

I actually think we can get a result at Newcastle. It's the home games that worry me.

Dyche tactics...

Were punching above our weight, been doing it for 24 years now.

"David, that is 7 home games without a win but, given the effort tonight, how do you consider that and put that into context?"

"I don't consider it at all, we're doing really well."

That is his answer... The man's a stubborn old mule who when he came back to us gave the team a lift (Dr Crippin could have done the same after Dyche) but we are now back to Moyes of old, cantankerous, stubborn, boring, predictable, monotonous

I've given up with him and his stoicism. He's a real head scratcher for me.

"I've worked out how to create chances tonight. Jarrad, you push up high into their half, Jordan, Tarks, Keano knock it long to him, he may win a header for the second-ball chances."

Embarrassing for a supposed Premier League quality manager.

And the corners? Who devised those? Was the inspiration a rugby scrum?

Sesko motored past Tarkowski like he was stood still and left him for dead.

Not the end of the world, and my own fault, but somehow it just summed up the evening!

They were far better under Dyche.

We won't get past the 4th round of cups, he has no interest in winning them. We will score around a goal per game over the course of a season, conceding a similar amount. We will play players out of position continously.

I think, in the interest of progress, we should give David a 5-year contract.

His set-up, his tactics, his whole philosophy is based on leaving a centre-forward isolated up front, feeding on scraps.

He bought plenty in, for decent money, in his first spell and destroyed them. He did exactly the same at West Ham with player after player.

Barry has failed to impress, but imagine being a young inexperienced player coming into a new club and country and expected to control balls that are hoofed 50 yards in the air or battle alone against 2 or 3 centre-backs.

Designed to fail. Moyes the Mediocre. So so uninspiring, dull and boring.

In the second half, we were the better side and caught with a sucker punch. We looked far better when George came on but our well-known deficiencies were evident.

One last comment: when you had tried 3 corners and their keeper has dealt with them without trouble, try something different. Who is teaching our dead-ball tactics???

There is no evidence whatever that Einstein made that famous 'quote'.

Also, a lot of credit goes to the 1878 Group for laying out all the flags -- it looked very impressive from my seat in the West Stand.

The players gave their all and they didn't deserve to lose this game, but football can be cruel at times. While the effort can't be faulted, the lack of quality in front of goal is there for all to see.

Our top scorers, Barry, Dewsbury-Hall and Ndiaye, have all got 5 but 2 of Ndiayes goals came from penalties. The other big difference between the sides was the difference in pace as they proved with their winning goal.

I have said that Moyes has done a good job but last night he has to take much of the criticism. To take our most influential midfield player and play him right-back, when there were alternatives, was poor.

I know a couple of our previous managers didn't fancy Patterson and he isn't my favourite but when he has come in this season, he has done well. Also we extended Seamus Coleman's playing contract and Moyes said he was fit, so if you don't fancy Patterson, play Coleman.

Then he compounds his choice of playing Garner at right -back by then playing our best centre-back at left-back, and plays our very promising central midfielder Armstrong out wide, and plays Iroegbunam in centre-midfield... just madness. That's three positional changes which weren't necessary.

Also, despite Garner having a good game, I don't remember him going on to many overlapping runs, something we criticize O'Brien for not doing. Same on the other flank: going forward, Branthwaite looked like a fish out of water.

George should have been brought on a lot earlier and his pace caused Man Utd all sorts of problems. He is the only one in this squad with pace, and for me he should start every game.

Trudging out of the ground after yet another home defeat is getting really depressing. I think if I was Dan Friedkin, I would be ringing Moyes up and asking "Why did you blow £42M on Dibbling and never play him? Same goes for Alcaraz, Rohl and Aznou."

Iraola is the man in my opinion that will coach good football, change our philosophy, and give a chance for our young players to come on.

Does anyone think that George would have been on the bench if he was in the dugout.

Moyes was the right choice when Dyche was sacked, but he should be let go at the end of the season. No matter it's only a matter of time for him.

Their goal showed why we can't defend higher up and take the risks with these players. Tarkowski and Keane just too slow.

We played decent second half without ever producing anything of great quality.

Sesko showing the difference between a £73M player and our £25M Barry, who worked hard but so isolated and lacking any real quality service.

Where is the variety from set pieces? We looked like Bolton from the '90s at corners, that was all a bit embarrassing.

Those who thought Grealish didn't offer much would love him back in the side, I'm sure.

But with this abysmal home record, there is no chance. I hate the home games this season, they are depressing.

Even then, I even thought I wouldn't be surprised if both Patterson and Coleman were in the starting line-up. Oh well.

Moyes reminds me of a toddler with one of those games where you try to put the shapes in the correct holes, he can be seen hammering the square peg in the round hole.

It never works playing players out of position -- and he has never learnt that either.

His refusal to play youth really pisses me off. What has he got to lose? I can't wait to see the back of him, because I can see a lot of good prospects leaving if he stays.

Last thought... the ref was atrocious, he let Man Utd run that game and how Fernandes wasn't 2nd yellowed for that tackle late in the game is beyond me.

Scoring goals has been our downfall all season and that's not all down to Barry and Beto -- how many goals come from our midfielders and wingers?

Yes, I don't agree with some of Moyes's selections, but we don't know what happens behind the scenes. My guess is, if Moyes doesn't like a player's attitude they don't get picked.

We are short of 2 or 3 experienced top-class makers and scorers to be higher than we are now, we are a 12th to 14th class side as we are.

Let's get real? Yeah playing your best midfielder and centre-back at full-back. And what has Gueye done since coming back from Afcon to justify selection? Armstrong looked really good in the middle and he puts him on the wing?

As for Mr Square Peg... Thanks, but please fuck off at the end of the season. Enough is enough. You're a joke.

Best defender at left-back. Best midfielder at right-back.
Promising young midfielder isolated on the left. Players not getting a chance to play, wasting away on the bench.

Absolute fuckin disgrace.

I fully endorse all criticism of Moyes. The inevitability of it all makes it doubly depressing.

One bright note was the performance of George. Looks like
everything Dibling isn't.

Granted, they should be able to weigh in with the odd goal... but the way we play, they create nothing for the front men.

Ndiaye for me is wasted out wide, he is more productive in a forward central role. I'm at a loss with the way Moyes sets us up and his stubbornness to change a system that is clearly not working.

Again, too many of our better players are forced to play out of position to accommodate Moyes's favourites. This ruins any balance. This is why it never flows.

Ridiculous team choice. Branthwaite looked mega pissed off all night, as did Garner and Armstrong. You wouldn't mind, but they are 3 of our better players and are being pissed about by Moyes.

Barry is clueless, I'm afraid -- stick Ndiaye or Alcaraz up front and play Dewsbury-Hall in behind. George must play every game. Gana and Tim Iroegbunam are just stoppers -- both woeful at passing.

Team should be: Pickford, Patterson, Branthwaite, O'Brien, Aznou, Garner, Röhl, Armstrong, George, Dewsbury-Hall and Ndiaye or Alcaraz -- till the season ends.

A young team with plenty of pace and decent quality from front to back and down the middle. And balance!

And a change of coach in the summer, please. We're going nowhere with this one.

Why did you think he put all three of our centre-backs in the side? Because of the threat of their forwards and defenders, Man Utd score a fair amount of headed goals.

Why did he target their goalkeeper? Because everyone knows he is not great in the air. It didn't work in the game, but we had a large amount of corners.

Finally, play all the kids... Most are simply not good enough to wear the Everton shirt, but the final bit is, we do not have quality players to take us to a higher position.

Why would a good manager leave Tarkowski as our last defender when the only defender with pace is Branthwaite? Why play your best midfielder at right-back and significantly weaken your midfield?

Why play a central-midfielder as a winger when you have a winger sat on the bench? Why does Moyes never make a sub until we are behind?

So you believe continuing to do exactly the same at every corner was the right thing to do, even when it clearly wasn't working?

How do you know the younger players aren't good enough, they never get any game time!

Shoehorning players into unfamiliar positions is not the tactic of a good manager. But playing as defensively as possible is definitely the tactics used by the Dinosaur we have in charge.

Those with the power should be having a word with Moyes, asking him what the fuck he is doing?

I can understand one or two, maybe even three attempts to ruffle the feathers with the corner shenanigans but to do it 12 times was an embarrassment!

I have got to be honest, if we had scored from one of those corners, I wouldn't even have celebrated as normal. Absolute garbage from Moyes last night. (What a football mind -- not!)

We should thank our lucky stars that the smugly dour one understands our DNA. (What does that phrase even mean anyway. for fuck's sake???)

Glory Days!

Regards your comment defending Moyes "Why did he target their goalkeeper, because everyone knows he is not great in the air."

Well, only you and Moyes must know!

In actual fact Senne Lammens is in the top 1% when dealing with crosses and commanding his goal line with corners etc, as he clearly showed last night.

You just don't understand the game, mate!

"So many on here have no clue about football and team selection"?

Well, John, you said you Moyes and everyone knows there keeper is not good in the air? Lammens at 6'-4" has been immense since they signed him, it was their previous keeper who was crap at crosses.

I think it's you who hasn't a clue about football.

Surely all football teams have a number of routines and variations to choose from? I don't really understand why Moyes would need to get a message on anyway. But even if he did, then it would have been dead easy. It's absolute rubbish and he knows it.

Excuses after excuses with this man. Didn't wash the first time and does even less so now. Stop trying to gaslight everyone by pretending we are doing brilliant and pull your finger out. No one is expecting miracles but at least give us some front-foot intensity at home and something to shout about.

By the way, Tarkowski wouldn’t be in my back three.