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Man-Mark Gerrard

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Having witnessed many an encounter against Liverpool with Gerrard in their side, there is only one gameplan for me which we must implement: ? man-to-man on Gerrard.

Whether that be young Jack or Castillo (I would not start with Victor up front, leave Tim there), we must restrict this one player from dictating their midfield and hence the game.

If we can restrict him, we restrict Torres et al from getting the ball. I do hope sincerely this time we have learned our lessons... I fancy us to nick it if we can do a job on this one player.
Steve  Callaghan, Liverpool     Posted 16/01/2009 at 14:20:57

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Dick Fearon
1   Posted 17/01/2009 at 07:05:36

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In my humble opinion, based on past coaching experience at a level many times below that of PL, I also believe Gerrard should be man-marked. For that task, I would select a fast, hard-tackling, single minded and determined player. Neville and Hibbert are my preferred candidates with Hibbo shading it in the speed category. Instructions to the man-marker are simply to hassle Gerrard all over the pitch and stay goal-side of him.
Peter Bourke
2   Posted 17/01/2009 at 07:33:28

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Yes, I have to agree with this post. Two other things i think are just as important are,

1. Leave our defence as it is at the moment, so that means Yobo is on the bench. We have 6 clean sheets in a row and I wouldn?t dare tinker with the defensive line.

2. Do not pay the shite too much respect. In the past at times we have looked like a rabbit staring into the headlights when faced with a big 4 team. We were playing that way against Man Utd until Pip stuck a rocket up them. Go out and play a positive game.
Arteta to get man of the match and Joleon to score the winning goal.

Gavin Ramejkis
3   Posted 17/01/2009 at 09:12:54

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The RS are a two man team, eliminate ladyboy Torres and GBH creasehead and they are no-marks ? no more of a threat than any other non-Sky Three side.
Shane Corcoran
4   Posted 17/01/2009 at 10:20:56

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I was thinking the exact same thing, Steve. I find it odd that man-marking isn?t used more in the game. Especially against Liverpool when they rely so much on Gerrard on the attacking side of things.

Their problem is, with Gerrard out of the game (hopefully), neither of the other 2 from 3 of Alonso/Lucas/Mascherano have the ability or desire to surge forward. With us only having one up front and so a solid back four and midfield four (as well as the man-marker) we should be able to cope in normal fashion with the threat from the wings.

I?m not in any way experienced on the coaching side but it seems to make sense to me. Didn?t Carsley do such a job a couple of years ago on him?

Dave Wilson
5   Posted 17/01/2009 at 07:38:25

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Its smacks of fear, Steve. Ok, Gerrard and Torres can be world class on their day, but there as few very ordinary players in their side too.

Anichebe must play and he must play well. I would like Tim to be a bit smarter this time, he has to be as cunning as Mascherano (if that's how you spell it) because these two will go to war and we will need 11 men for the entire game.

Moyes has been guilty of sending out a mishmash of square pegs to play in round holes against this crowd in the past; not this time...

Pienaar has not always set Goodison alight but, for some reason I can't fathom, he?s been brilliant away from home all season. I believe Osman will play on the right, again, a really big performance is needed. Arteta need only continue doing what he?s been doing for weeks.

It would be really wonderful to have Fellaini and the Yak playing, but they?re not; I still think this time we?ll have too much for them.

Let them worry about us!

Ben Rogers
6   Posted 17/01/2009 at 10:56:49

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Don't man-mark Gerrard, let them worry about us. With Fellaini out, I expect Moyes to go with the same back four as recently, but bring another holding midfielder in alongside Neville. The problem with that is who plays off Cahill?

I would be tempted to put Osman in behind Cahill, with Gosling coming in on the right ? Liverpool's left side is nothing to fear, and Gosling has looked excellent when called on so far.

The only other opton is to play Anichebe with Cahill in behind, leaving the midfield as it is: Neville, Arteta in the middle, with Osman and Pienaar on the flanks.

Steve Sweeney
7   Posted 17/01/2009 at 11:02:21

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Does anyone remember I think it was Terry Darracott man-marking George Best? He was doing a great job and Best was finding it really tough. I seem to remember that then a ball was played to Best and instead of taking the pass he just continued to run up the wing with Darracott in tow the ball being collected by another United player. The genius of Best or the dogged determination old Darra... happy days!
Ainsley Dale
8   Posted 17/01/2009 at 11:15:28

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Could Yobo not do a job on Gerrard? ... Assuming he?s fit.
Dan McKie
9   Posted 17/01/2009 at 11:28:08

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I say give that job to Neville, just stay on him all game! The player replacing Fellaini has to be attack-minded, which leaves only Big Vic at the mo. Don't change the defence and don't push Arteta up; instead, drop Cahill back to midfield supporting Vic ? that will have the least impact on the whole team I feel!
Ian Kearney
10   Posted 17/01/2009 at 12:00:23

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Dan you’ve hit the nail on the head there, this idea of bringing Castillo or even Rodwell in for Fellaini, for me is a non-starter. While I think the idea of man marking Gerrard is worth trying, we can not bring in a DM for Fellaini.

If we brought Castillo in that leaves us with a central 3 of Arteta, Neville and Castillo. Way too flat. We need someone to brake off Tim, Neville and Castillo arent capable of doing that job, and the main reason our football has improved is because Arteta has been picking up the ball from deep, so he’s the last player on the pitch who’s role should change. If were going persist in keeping Cahill upfront, then in the absensce of Fellaini’s muscle, I believe Gosling’s energy and pace might be the best alternative.

If we are to man mark Gerrard, then I think Neville might be best suited to the task.
Steve Callaghan
11   Posted 17/01/2009 at 12:51:21

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To the posts above that infer ?let them worry about us? etc ? this is indeed admirable and brave... but in my view naive. Unfortunately, we WILL have to worry about one or two of theirs but stop Gerrard and we severely hinder their ability to attack and break down attacks.

Whether it be Neville or A N Other, for me is irrelevant. Their job is to follow him everywhere, get in his face and don?t do any silly challenges ? just bug him all game. He will quickly get very frustrated, red mist will form, and the game plan will have worked.... that?s what happened in my dream last night anyway ? seemed easy ! ...;)

Steve Williams
12   Posted 17/01/2009 at 13:49:17

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Surely SG?s effectiveness will be stifled by having to drag around a ball and chain for 90 minutes?

I must agree with most, we should concentrate on doing what we do best ? harrying and hassling the opposition thereby giving them no time to build up a head of steam. Then, when the opportunity arises, pick them off. It is this strategy that has produced our best results over the last 5 or 6 years.

It would be a disaster if we changed our game plan to suit the opposition. This is far more likely to detrimentally affect us as opposed to the RS.
Brian Waring
13   Posted 17/01/2009 at 14:28:26

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Not as easy as it sounds, Steve. I hate to say it, but we are talking about one of the best midfielders in the world, and in Torres, one of the world's best strikers.

As mentioned above, we should just concentrate on our game, and hope the two of them have a off-day.
David Jones
14   Posted 17/01/2009 at 14:31:07

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Don't worry, us fans will man-mark him for the Blues by singing songs that piss him off and wind him up!!
Dave Wilson
15   Posted 17/01/2009 at 13:51:10

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Steve,

Moyes has tried to "nullify" Gerrard in the past, but he?s proven to be far too athletic and mobile for the Jag and Yobo; sorry to say this, but it's the man-marking idea thats naive.

In the distant past, coaches would ask water-carriers to man-mark world-class players; this tactic enjoyed a degree of success, but the game has moved on. The world-class players have learned to combat this, which is the reason hardly any coach in the modern game would use a "man-marker". An in-form Gerrard would run Pip into the ground.

Everton have to be set up right as a unit, we need to stop Gerrard's supply as much as possible, and when he does get the ball, we need him to be faced with a solid midfield protecting an equally solid back four.

When we have the ball, we really need to make them work: Cahill's late surges into the box, Arteta's craft, Big Vic's power, and Pienaar;s and Osman's trickery. That's not naive, mate. If we want to win, we have to get at them with aggression and purpose ? damage limitation doesn't work in these games.
Frank McGregor
16   Posted 17/01/2009 at 14:51:36

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I would like to sugggest that the main threat from Liverpool will be down their left side, putting pressure on Hibbert and Neville. One way or another, we have to snuff that threat out.
Nick Marsh
17   Posted 17/01/2009 at 15:56:01

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The shite's best performance this season was against Man Utd without Gerrard and Torres!!! Moyes should be looking at their weaknesses and looking to exploit them; every player should be hurrying and harrasing them regardless.

All pressure will be on the shite, it's only our own fans that think we can beat them, after all they are top of the league, they have a £50 million strike force, they are at home, we have no strikers!!! Anything from this game would, on paper, be a great result and I'm hoping for a win.

Peter Roberts
18   Posted 17/01/2009 at 16:17:21

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People are talking about Gerrard and Torres like they’re on their A-game at the moment, as recent results prove, they are far from on form at the moment. I know people say the form book goes out of the window for derby day but they are under much more pressure to get a result than us.

I believe if we play our normal game, with Neville in front of the back four alongside Arteta, Pienaar, Osman and AN Other, then we will nullify the threat from Gerrard. Which leaves us with Torres, which we have to hope The Waiter will play Father Ted alongside him.
Connor Rohrer
19   Posted 17/01/2009 at 16:49:51

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If you want to stop Liverpool from playing then Alonso is the man you stop, not Gerrard. Gerrard is there most creative player but it’s Alonso who makes them tick.

It’s up to Cahill to stop Alonso, he’s done it in the past. Get in his face and don’t give him time on the ball. If you stop him them Gerrard will come deeper and deeper and become less effective. Obviously it’s easier said than done but it would be easier than trying to stop or man mark Steven Gerrard.

Alonso isn?t very mobile and doesn?t move around a lot, he has his own area where he picks the ball up and sprays his accurate long range passes. Gerrard moves around to much and none of our midfielders have the pace or strength to keep with him for 90 minutes. Obviously Arteta and Neville will sit in there but they?ll be playing there own games, not worrying about Steven Gerrard.

I think we?ll go with 4-5-1 but a positive 4-5-1. Two holding midfielders in Neville and Arteta with Osman, Cahill and Pienaar supporting Victor Anichebe. We?ll have good balance for the first time in a long time. As Dave Wilson said, Moyes usually messes about with the team to make us stronger (physically) and more defensive. He doesn?t have that option this time thankfully and it?ll benefit the side.
John Jacobs
20   Posted 17/01/2009 at 17:12:27

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I say that we all (us fans) man-mark Gerrard in the form of singing songs to him to knock him off his game like we have done in the past (eg, when we drew there 0-0) and Beneathus called us a small club because of it.

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Jimmy Royston
21   Posted 17/01/2009 at 20:30:44

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Biggest problem I can see with man-marking Grerard is his constant diving & bleating to the ref. It usually means at least one yellow and that in turn means being so careful. I really believe the game will be won or lost on the strenght of the Refs performance as much as ours.
Thomas Surgenor
22   Posted 17/01/2009 at 21:00:06

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I always hear from United fans about Pip getting the better of Viera et al when asked to do a man marking job.

So why not let Pip try?
Ian Tunny
23   Posted 18/01/2009 at 02:57:16

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Dave Wilson, you are wrong, Carsley man-marked SG out the game, and to cap it, Carsley scored the winner in the 1-0 win. It was similar in the game we beat them 3-0 Carsley and Neville nullified everything in the middle, ie Gerrard.
Derek Thomas
24   Posted 18/01/2009 at 03:28:28

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Man-marking, sigh, those where the days, City had Connor and Liverpool had Ross. But it can backfire if the target has a blinder and like Alan Ball, runs the guy ragged, he even ran around laughing his head off, miming holding a dog lead to his shadow.

Never mind, Stevie GBH, or even Alonso, what about the novel concept of each player marking someone, especially Gerrard and Alonso?
Norman Merrill
25   Posted 18/01/2009 at 06:29:28

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Jimmy Royston, I am glad you mentioned the Referee, because he will hold all the aces. Without going over the past inconsistencies of previous men in black, I just hope that Howard Webb lives up to the high regard that the Premier League hold him in, and sees the game in a neutral light, not to be swayed by players, who are good at deceiving. I don't have to name the ones I am referring to, just cast your mind back to the CLATTENBURG derby.
Dave Wilson
26   Posted 18/01/2009 at 09:47:36

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Ian Tunny, It's you that's wrong mate; you either don't understand the concept of man-marking, or you have been swayed by the famous commentary after the goal.

Carsley played in a defensive midfield role for Everton, no more, no less. A man-marker is sacrificed and designated to follow his opponent all over the park, I think you?ll find Carsley held his position all game ? exept for his goal ? regardless of where Gerrard went.
Ian Tunny
27   Posted 18/01/2009 at 12:16:17

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Well, we?ll just have to disagree, Dave. True, he wasn't stuck to Gerrard's side all game all over the pitch but he would remain close and clearly set out to close Gerrard down as quickly as possible once Gerrard crossed the half-way line.

I remember numerous occasions in the 1-0 win when Gerrard tried to burst forward on those runs only to be foiled by Carsley who would easily block his run and take the ball from him. Why do you think Carsley was so far up the pitch to score? ? because he was staying close to Gerrard.
James Marshall
28   Posted 18/01/2009 at 13:19:07

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Lots of blue-tinted views here I feel - the RS are one of the best sides in Europe whether we like it or not. They don?t lose many at home and we?ll have our work cut out with no strikers (Anichebe shouldn't play in my opinion).

To say that "you stop Gerrard, you stop Liverpool" holds some weight but you can't say that a team that's been as successful as them (albeit not winning the PL) is a one-man team. Torres can score at will, so can Gerrard and they also have world class players in Mascherano and Xavi Alonso in their midfield.

Of course we can beat them, anyone can win on their day but I think a draw would be a good result in both games. If we can get them back to Goodison for the cup replay then I think we could do em.

I hope I?m wrong and will be screaming at the TV tomorrow night as loud as the next man but if we do lose I won?t be surprised.
Connor Rohrer
29   Posted 18/01/2009 at 13:39:33

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Carsley nullified him once in about eight attempts, let's be honest. He did a great job on him in the 04-05 season but, other than that, Gerrard usually got the better of him and some of our other midfielders.

In the 3-0 derby he didn?t; Gerrard played wide right. Carsley and Neville where competing against Sissoko and Alonso from what I remember.

Stubbs said after the 1-0 Derby win that Cars didn?t set out to man-mark Gerrard, he just had a very good game ? as did Gravesen and Cahill.
Dave Wilson
30   Posted 18/01/2009 at 13:46:18

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I dont think we are a million miles away from each other, Ian, we just have a different interpretation of the term 'man-marking', you're completely correct. Carsley did win the majority of clashes wth Gerrard that day, but they clashed so often because that's the way the teams were set up, Carsley would have still been employed to do that job even if Gerrard wasnt playing.

Gerrard played on the right in the 3-0 win ? I think he hit the post twice too

Unless Moyes does the unthinkable and tinkers with our set-up, we will be giving Gerrard a whole new problem tomorrow, he?ll still face Pip, but he?ll be up against a genuinely talented footballer too,

Mascherano will be a problem ? I was dying to see Fellaini against him ? we have to get past him, but he doesn't have enough ability with the ball to be a major concern. Alonso is a different animal and as Connor has already said, he can hurt us if we allow him to settle and start pinging the ball about, we have to play at a tempo he?s not comfortable with.
Tom Bowers
31   Posted 18/01/2009 at 23:13:50

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Granted Gerrard is usually the Red?s matchwinner in many games but they have other great players and Everton have to be strong in all areas on the day. This would be an ideal time for the likes of Osman and Pienaar to step up to the plate and shine against a top 4 team instead of just the average sides. Castillo should play without a doubt and Anichebe should be only a sub. Our away record is good on paper but some games have been tacky to say the least but I wouldn?t mind this being the tackiest if the result is right.

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