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Big Dunc: The DVD
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I have just watched the Big dunc DVD that I had for Christmas and it got me thinking about our current crop of strikers.
I had almost forgotten what a legend he was for us and how we have never really replaced him. I love the Yak for his goals but he hasn't even got half the amount of passion that big Dunc had for the club. Is there anyone out there who the club could buy to replace such a legend?
I'm not sure if everyone knows all the details behind his move to Newcastle so before you slate him for this move you should know that he was sold without Walter Smith being told and never wanted to move but was given no option.
Finally, does anyone know what has happened to the big man?
Scott Jenner, Posted 01/01/2009 at 12:58:30
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However, if you look at what he contributed over the number of years he was on our books, his output cannot be described as anything like a "legend". He was injury-ravaged and did not play anywhere near as many games as he should have done. It was also fairly clear that he was particularly bothered about the ?big games? but not so bothered about the rest. His records against Liverpool and United evidence this.
I can remember numerous occasions when he appeared to get himself needlessly sent off, it was almost as if he was looking for a couple of weeks off through suspension.
He also was not soft in terms of striking a deal with our naive Board of Directors. I?m sure many of you will recall the common knowledge fact that he had a clause in his contract (at least his last major, 5 year, deal) that he had to be the highest paid player at the club ? I?m sure this prohibited us from signing a number of quality players during that time. I realise this assumes that the stories about his contract were accurate and I find them totally believable against the backdrop of our commercially inept Board.
Many players ? both before, during and after Dunc?s time ? contributed more to our club, yet enjoyed only a tiny percentage of his popularity. Kevin Campell is a case in point. In the current era, Cahill has done more. I could compile a long list here...
I will look back at the goals against Liverpool and United (particularly the one in April 05 that went a long way to ensuring we finished 4th that year) and the images of Dunc throttling Steffan Freund and hunting down Zenden like a man possessed at Boro with a huge smile and sense of joy. I understand why a huge number of our fans see him as a legend, when I recall these memories.
The moments of euphoria that he gave us, however, were all too fleeting for me to count Dunc amongst the Everton legends. When you sit in a bar with one of those from across the park and you are trading legends, Dunc would be a joker, not a trump card to play.
Let?s not kid ourselves, Big Dunc was Everton?s best player in one of the club?s worst ever periods (FA Cup and Kanchelskis season aside). He was a line in the sand, the last of his kind as the game evolved and the new breed of ?super athlete? emerged. His goal against Liverpool in November 1994 was the catalyst for rescuing us from certain relegation, a heroic act which became instant folklore, something which can usually take years to achieve.
All this meant that the big man did survive on reputation alone at times but, you know what, it didn?t matter to me then and it doesn?t know. Sometimes the game needs characters, heroes, flawed icons who the man on the street can relate to. Dunc was my hero and always will be. In this world of Sheiks and Russians and ?top 4?s? and capitalist economic rape, the big man will always retain a special ? and controversial ? place in Evertonian hearts.
I consider myself extremely fortunate to have met him (even more so as I live in Brighton, 270 miles from Liverpool), in Windsor Castle of all places, and he was an utter and true gent. I find it impossible to say a bad word against the player or the man.
Unfortunately the only player to have that status of being able to change any game single-handed since was that twat who went to the Mancs. He could have had that same legendary status if not more, if he was in a successful team, but he showed himself up to be a gullable, money-grabbing, immature, jumped-up idiot.
As much as I would like to say we have a player now as a shining light, I don?t believe we have. This ultimately is probably the one thing stopping us joining the top 4 at the moment as they all have one to several world class players. We have a great squad which the top 4 all have but this world class player sets us apart. Ashley Young at Villa looks like developing into this type of player which could see them grab 4th this season.
Timmy Cahill or Mikel Arteta are probably the closest we have got who are both very good players, but we need that bit extra, almost unpredictability. Hopefully Fellaini can develop into this.
Unfortunately, none of the well made points take away from the fact (as alluded to by an earlier post) that Dunc never did enough in a blue shirt to warrant the adulation that was bestowed on him. I suppose it's a matter of semantics to some degree. Jon talks of Dunc being a beacon in an otherwise period of darkness for the blues. If your definition of "legend" is someone who is the best of a bad bunch then yes I agree, Dunc was a legend.
The definition of the term "legend" that I would choose to apply to any Everton player would be one who shone because of his pure ability and contribution to our beloved club, regardless of the success or not of the team during his tenure. Bob Latchford, for example, is an Everton legend and rightly so for his goal scoring exploits. He played in a notoriously mediocre Everton side.
Jon also talks of Dunc?s goal against Liverpool being a catalyst for surviving relegation, thus catapulting him into folklore. That was one goal (in a 2-0 win) in November.
Kevin Campbell was mentioned in an earlier post. I haven?t checked these facts I admit but as memory serves me he joined us on transfer deadline day (in old school money this was end March?) and scored something like 6 (was it actually 9?) goals in as many games at the end of the season. A feat which almost singlehandedly saved us from virtually certain relegation (Bakayoko wasn?t going to score the goals to save us that year now was he?). Why was this not ?instantly written into folklore??
The point of my post is not to suggest that Kevin Campbell is an Everton legend, but to highlight the fact that, for all the ?hope? Dunc may have provided Evertonians growing up in the grim 90s (of which I am one), a sober review of his overall contribution to Everton Football Club during the time he was [a highly paid employee] on our payroll does not, in my opinion, lead to a logical assertion that he should be lauded as a legend of our club.
As a kid and teenager growing up, I did love him as much as any Evertonian. But, as an adult looking back, I don?t think Dunc deserves to be read in the same breath as Dixie Dean, Dave Hickson, Alex Young, Joe Royle, Joe Mercer, Alan Ball, Kevin Ratcliffe, Dave Watson, Neville Southall, Graeme Sharp... the list goes on.
As for the DVD, I?m sure it?s a great watch but I refuse to line Dunc?s pockets with any more money than the amount he pillaged during his playing days.
As an aside, don?t legends usually stay around the club afterwards, either in coaching, punditry or some other capacity? As one or two have alluded to above, Dunc has not been seen since (despite living in the not too far away in Formby?). The excuse of being media-shy only extends so far...
At times we play enough ’long ball’ stuff. Adding Dunc to the equation would take the current side back a significant number of years. We are a much better footballing side now than we were during the kick and rush style of the mid-late 90s when Dunc was in his ’prime’.
To break the top 4 we need to add two or three genuine top quality attacking players (mid/wing/strikers). Dunc would not help us now.
Of course, in reality, Jono would see off so-called ?football hardmen? like Dunc and Vinnie Jones in no time; however, Dunc is the only footballer I can recall who did strike genuine fear into opponents. I still remember, for instance, several years ago when we were playing the Arse at home and Dunc was put on with a few minutes to spare, whereupon he immediately raced towards Big Solly, who near shit himself on the spot.
He had all the attributes of a great player and his double strike at Old Trafford many years ago even had Alex Ferguson looking on in envy. Unfortunately for us Blues, his contributions were too few and far between due to niggling injuries and self-destruction, which often cost us points. He was a lovable rogue and this was magnified when he put on the blue jersey in those big games.
If you want a true LEGEND, then look no further than footage of Alan Ball, who could score goals, had great skill, would run himself into the ground, and cried when he was told he was leaving Everton. Peter Ried did not score many goals but was another who ran himself into the ground and won games from midfield. I know where you are coming from regarding the Big fella but he was being paid top money to be on the pitch.
Is he a legend? In his own way, he was the one who really stood out in a dark part of Everton history, when the going was tough he had that desire, and he wasn?t afraid to show it. He could have been much more as a pure football player, but part of me believes that, if he was, he wouldn?t have been there at Everton.
We blame players who don’t stand up against the RS and top4, and here we had a player who stood up against the high tide and put them in their place. We weren’t going to win the league back then but Big Dunc won whatever was left worth winning: pride.
EVERTON LEGEND.
(Where’s the Rhino DVD?)
As I?m still the green side of my 20s, I still look back at Duncan as a player who was the shining light to the kids between my age and about 6 or 7 years older. I was 9 when I made my first trip to Goodison, against Coventry when Ferguson made his debut. Straight away that season we knew we had someone who cared about the club and was prepared to put his body on the line. You go back through time and all the legends who have played for us have done the same. Dean, Lawton, Hickson, Ball, Kendall, Sharp, Reid, the list we know goes on.
The debate over Dunc?s "legend" status will rage on and on; for me, though, he was the bright spark. Someone compared him to Martin Johnson ? I think a better comparison would be Lawrence Dallaglio ? someone who strikes fear into every opponent when he comes on. I remember an interview with Chelsea "hardman" John Terry who said that Dunc was the person he feared most on the pitch.
Also, can I add that Ferguson was one of the best headers of the ball ever to play in the Premier League.
Duncan was an Everton icon during the 90s. However, it was largely due to his personality and passion. Fair enough, there were some moments of footballing genius but these were few and far between.
Considering the amount of money he cost us in wages and transfer fees, he can surely not be compared to such genuine legends as Dean, Young, Latchfod and Sharp. I also agree with Graeme, in that if Ferguson had the scoring record of Kevin Campbell or if Campbell was a tall, white Scot with a violent streak then things may be different.
A great character, loyal servant and excellent entertainment he is but footballing legend? ? I?m afraid he ain't.
The bloke would play fo Everton for nothing, and yes he was suspended for more games than he played but by God when he did play he was worth watching. I?ll never forget his winner vs Man U when Rooney returned. He ran his bollocks of all game and deserved to score the winner.
He cried when he was sold to the Geordies because he loved everything about our football club. In the days of £100k a week wages and £20M transfers, the guy was loyal to Everton no matter what.
Big Dunc deserves a knighthood for services to Everton IMO. Would Rooney get a tattoo showing his love for Everton had he not have been sold? Would he fuck, and he?s even a scouser.
For all the years of service, pride, passion and fight he showed whilst wearing the royal blue, no matter what people say, he is rightfully an Everton legend.
It?s good now we have the likes of Lescott, Yak and the skill of Arteta, but no-one loved Everton as much as Dunc and even though we are a more skillful team in his absence, his fight and drive would still make him appreciated by most fans. I think we should try and give him a coaching role or something or let him talk to the players before the derby coz, if he shows the same passion as a coach as he did as a player, the red shites wouldn't know what hit em.
Happy New Year from Adam, 14, St Helens.
Apart from Cahill and Arteta I would add: Tim Howard, and both the Jag and Screech as contenders.
Bullshit. Big Dunc's a legend in my eyes and will always have a place in my blue heart but he fleeced us at times, no denying it.
Yes, maybe Dunc didn't show the potential overall on his career but I ask you this.... did he get much service??? When I think of some of the jokers we put in a blue shirt to try and give Dunc crosses, even to partner him?? ... please, it's shocking.
Take Sutton & Shearer for example, when another striker gets a good partner it got the best out of each player. I think we needed to see Dunc with a classic partner and Shearer said it himself in the DVD that they (when Dunc was fit) were brilliant together, caused a lot of teams problems. Dunc never really had that with us, Angell? Amo? Madar? Cadamateri?? Its not like he really had to challange for his place either. There were more quality forwards like Campbell who Dunc did work well with, but didn't last.
When it comes to spirit, there was nobody like him. When Dunc came on, it lifted everyone: the fans, the team, the noise in Goodison used to be so noticable... how many times during those awful mid-90s, finishing 15/17/14/13/16 etc etc? Dunc was one of the very little things that gave the fans a bit of spirit; ok it wasn't much, but it was better than watching Nyarko crying.
Dunc's injuries weren't his fault, and his trapped sciatic nerve which went unnoticed for such a long time must have been hell to play through.
Maybe Dunc isn't the same as Labone, Sharpey, and Southall but when I think of a time when being an Everton fan was hard work, Dunc was a glimmer of hope.
Blue-tinted-specks???? Maybe, but I just enjoyed his style.
The man will always be a legend in my eyes.
I saw Duncan in Scotland even before he went to Rangers and believe me he had more to offer than just being a big target man. In an injury-free career, he would have been an all-time great. At Everton we saw about 50% of his ability.
There are many different admirable aspects to football; seeing Duncan put the fear of God into the opposition is, to me, up there with the finest skills I have seen.
My favourite Big Dunc moment was his goal in the first derby match at Goodison. It just about beats the hilarious bicep curling celebration against Man U in the same season.
I watched that derby game on TV and was fearing an all mighty drubbing. But this was the game where the Dogs of War came into their own and Big Dunc pummelled John Scales and Phil Babb, part of the Spice Boy gang with their ridiculous cream suits. Even Andy Gray sounded like he was frothing at the mouth when Big Dunc planted the header home.
Where were you when Kennedy was Shot? More like where were you when Big Dunc scored that goal???


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