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Has anyone else noticed, every time we approach the transfer window, Mr Kenwright gives his little sound bites on how good DM is, how marvelous he is, and how we can't do without him. Call me cynical but is it for David's benefit or ours? Or is it a way of saying we haven't got any funds available but with DM at the helm we should be ok anyway?
I would prefer the truth, get a couple of loan players but only if it improves the squad, and give Moyes a budget for the end of the season, which would allow him to strengthen Everton before pre-season training. If we do sign someone, is it too much to ask for the player/s to be 100% free from injury, more than 5ft 6in and quick?
God, this is starting to sound like a letter to Santa... apologies!
Eddy Grundy,
Wigan Posted 01/01/2009 at 15:42:22
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Same every transfer window, for an investor or AGM, BK is always working 24/7. If he worked that hard for me with little or no progress, I would have fired him years ago. It's just window dressing so as to take the glare away from his total lack of ideas on how to take Everton forward.
Trouble is, Eddy, that there are still too many sycophants and apologists who live in cloud cuckoo land and forget Black Bill?s litany of lies and empty promises; whilst he is in control of the trainset and unwilling to let go, we are stuck unfortunately.
Cue the barrage of usual suspects singing his praises with old chestnuts from any of the following:
"He is one of us" ? doesn?t make him any better.
"We have broken our transfer record for several seasons on the run" ? this was Sky money; not a penny invested by a single director.
"He?s not a foreign mercenary" ? who is to say which is worse without trying, look at Man Utd and Villa for clues to positive experiences
I won't even go there with his lies and unfogiveables as they have all been posted on this and many other websites before today.
@ Eddy G. There are many points in your brief letter that I am in total agreement with. I find it a bit sad you have found it neccesary to ?have a go? at Bill Kenwright. It seems to me that TW has cornered the anti-BK market so you will find umpteen like-minded BK critics lapping up your every word.
Some of your new found mates are budding clairvoyants with the power to read Bill's mind. Without offering a skerrick of evidence, they have accused Bill of every kind of skullduggery. I have unsucessfully challenged those exaggeraters and in some cases, downright liars for proof of their statements and now I toss the same gauntlet for you to make and prove your case.
What really gets in the craw of the critics is that they or anyone who has supported Everton for more than six years would have to concede that Everton have come a long way since Kenwright took over. That man has overseen our transformation from a hopeless basket case that was a certainty for 2nd division oblivion into a very competitive outfit under a brilliant young manager.
I really don?t like this sort of negative comments about Bill Kenwright. It reflects a lack of understanding of how a business is actually ran. Granted, BK is not Mr Money-Bags. But he?s doing the best with what little he?s got.
I feel that Everton are being run like a good business. We don?t over-spend. We focus on good management. We have a Chairman and Manager who work well together and who have a clear vision of the future. I?d go so far as to say that Everton is a model that other clubs (including Chelsea and Liverpool) should follow.
Sure, things can always be better. I?m sure if BK can find a buyer for Everton with more resources, he will sell out. But he?s not irresponsible and I trust he will not just sell out to anyone. Also remember that he has invested in Everton as a business (his love for the Blues aside). So he will want to make sure that when he sells, the deal is right for him.
Let?s leave the business end of Everton to Bill and the Board. Unless we have all the details and know the full facts (which we never will as Everton are not a publicly listed company), let?s just focus on supporting the team and David Moyes !
"Without offering a skerrick of evidence they have accused Bill of every kind of skullduggery" remarked Dick Fearon, following his recovery from an 8 year coma.
Just read on skysports.com that former Blue Oliver Dacourt is seeking a move away from Inter. He is probably too old for a permanent deal but maybe a loan till the end of the season to gives us a bit more depth.
Pathetic post & equally pathetic supporting comments. Give it a rest will you. Kenwright was collared by the camera after the Sunderland game (it being Xmas, end of year & all that). What do you expect?
Perhaps we should be more like West Ham (as some of you whinged for last year). Now having a fire sale. Or is it only an Abramovic that you dreamers will accept, ie. Someone who will inject billions of HIS OWN money?
Dream on boys. Get used to the credit crunch & get off Kenwright’s back for a bit. People like me are not apologists for him, just more realist than dreamer & bored to tears with the ignorant attempts to slag him off for everything under the sun.
Totally agree with Alan Kirwin. BK’s a bit too theatrical for my liking but he takes some awfully unjustified stick sometimes.
As for Olivier Dacourt, please, he is just the sort of foreign mercenary we do not need.
Forgetting all the anti- and pro-Bill stuff for the moment (is it really a constructive debate given minds are firmly set?), I?d like to understand how we can guarantee signing players who are 100% injury free? Do you mean at the point of signing Eddy or will you condemn any signing that might get injured in the future (a disaster waiting to happen?)? I wonder where you stand in this respect with regard to, say, Joleon Lescott or even Peter Reid/Andy Gray?
I found his comments quite refreshing, if a little too religously theatrical ? calling the squad his disciples made me cringe. However, at least expectation is now set ? we are skint ? and we will get loans if we can or do without. For me that is fine, I know what to expect now (probably very little) but rather that and blood in a few youngsters than be overtaken by some Scandinavian Banker about to lose all his dough via the credit crunch and send us into administration....
Eddy, Gavin Totally agree and the old chestnuts did come out hey Gavin.
I often wonder where Gavin R stores his extraordinary levels of bitterness towards BK. Its an awful lot of baggage to carry around with you all year long. Sure BK ain?t the most astute of businessmen around but he isn?t the devil incarnate either!
It?s no secret the Directors don?t contribute their own funds towards the club, check out other Premier League clubs, Gavin, and you will find the same scenario as well. You fail to mention (selective memory perhaps) that none of our current Directors or Chairman take a penny in salary out of the club either?
If you look at our cousins across the park, a certain chairman renegaded on his original decision to sell his majority shareholding to DIC, instead went for a ?better? offer from a certain American consortium, now that?s what I call greedy.
Over the last few weeks, Toffeeweb has had some cracking Mailbag content ? showing the many aspects of our club. From Teddy in his eighties right through to today's Evertonian ? many stories and that unmatchable and renowned scouse humour.
But then the transfer window re-opens and we suddenly have the BK bashers back in all their soapbox glory. Lighten up Eddy and Gavin. Yes, there are thousands of us who agree with you that the ride has been rough and littered with debris for the last 9 years; however, we?re still on the ride ? Leeds, Forest and Derby can?t say that! And you could well have added Chelsea to that list until their knight in shining gold armour arrived late!
And yes, BK can be a tart at times, but he?s still a fellow Evertonian ? that is never going to change.
What about taking Giovani dos Santos on loan or even making a cheeky bid? The news sugests he wants away from Spurs and does not figure in Harry?s plans.
I think Moyes could get a lot out of this player, a lot more than Spurs anyway!
Totally agree Brett but would Giovanni?s wages be within our reach. Who knows, but definitely worth a chance.
As for Bill, take it with a pinch of salt. I for one have learnt my lesson and won?t get dragged back into an emotional wilderness.
Steve Ryan... Comment of the day mate!
I think the success has been despite him and all down to Moyes...
Anthony Millington
Posted 02/01/2009 at 15:28:44
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Besides bringing in a striker, we definetly need someone with pace and ability to take players on down the flank. Especially now that we?ve got Arteta playing well in the middle, we need someone who can do a similar role to what Pienaar does on the opposite flank. Leon Osman can do a decent job, but admittedly he?s not good enough to be playing outwide week-in, week-out, because he lacks the pace to take players on.
An injection of pace into the side would add an extra dimension to our play. So come on guys any ideas? I?m thinking Obinna, Odemwingie, Dos Santos, N?Zogbia, Lennon, Valencia, Pennant? Take your pick!
Saying that one of Britain?s major theatre impresarios isn?t an astute business man is daft. But that field of activity doesn?t carry billions alongside it. Basically, Everton haven?t got a billionaire waiting in the wings to buy us.
Let's face it folks, if we are real Evertonians, as I have been since 1960, I can accept your views ? even if they differ from mine. I am so grateful that we have this site to express our thoughts. If we progress as a club, and as team to be proud of, bring it on.
This business of second guessing everything that Kenwright says has become tedious in the extreme.
Every time he says anything we have the usual suspects on here telling us it?s all bullshit ("Black Bill" Gavin? That?s a new one
How many epithets does he have now? Billy Liar, Bullshit Billy, Billy Liar....)
It?s clear that some people dislike the man and never will, and that?s perfectly fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But why do we have to have this discussion EVERY time he says anything? Why does anyone who doesn?t spend their lives looking for reasons to hate Kenwright a "sycophant" or an "apologist"?
He?s not the devil incarnate. Nor is he Roman Abramovich.
Get over it.
John, for Bill Kenwright to come out yet again with that hackneyed "working 24/7" bullshit and then to couple it with positive spin on that utterly dismissal summer is rich beyond belief. Anyone who claims to be doing anything (other than breathing) 24/7 is a liar and a charlatan. To make the claim not once but twice to the same gullible idiots really takes the cake.
And he tries to spin the panic buys and makeshift loan deals as something wonderful, with injury-prone Saha now out for at least two months in total. This is the predicament people predicted exactly on the basis of the pathetic showing by EFC in the transfer merry-go-round.
It?s not a question of disliking the man, it?s about totally distrusting the bullshit. No-one has to look for a reasons to hate ? all we have to do is wait quietly and sure enough, up he pops with this utter mindless drivel. It doesn?t make him the devil incarnate, but it does make him look a right tart.
I?m with the likes of Dick and Alan on this. Why is Bill such a whipping boy for some? We were a basket case when he took over, and a fair assessment is that, whilst we may not be a silk purse, he?s made something out of a sow?s ear. We?ve punched well above our weight on any objective analysis ? FFS despite everything that happened (or didn?t happen) in the off season, we?re 6th at the halfway point and despite our less than impressive financial position we?re not West Ham or Portsmouth et al.
A better challenge Dick Fearon is how do YOU defend the indefensible. Say King’s Dock and Fortress Fund for starters??
As none of them have actually contributed anything would it not be a bit of a cheek were they to take any expenses?Very nicely put Eric. The total balls up over Kings Dock and then the subsequent lies regarding the Fortress Sports Fund to remove Paul Gregg !
Eric, I will answer your query about Kings Dock as best I can with this: Soon after Bill took the reins, we came within a hair's breadth of clinching that most extra ordinary deal. Unfortunately it came at a time when all available resources were directed at strengthening the squad. In an atmosphere similar to the current DK debate there were correspondents on all Everton related forums strongly pushing the view that squad improvement was far more important than a new headquarters. The Kings Dock bubble burst when last minute demands were a bridge too far.
Who was to blame, if there is any blame, for not raising those funds will eventually come to light. I personally believe that working in the background were powerful forces that had a different agenda for the Kings Dock site. I admit that is mere conjecture on my part and not based on known facts. Unlike most anti-Bill K critics I would not dare cast aspersions or denigrate anyone without actual proof.
In Bill we have a leader who recognises that if Everton is to have any kind of future it must lie somewhere beyond crumbling outdated Goodison. Kings Dock failed, perhaps so too might Kirkby... yet it can no longer be denied that somehow, somewhere we have to build a future and with each passing year the need is more urgent.
Guys, lots of old ground covered here. Kenwright is in place and can anyone see the the lone ranger coming over the hill with saddle bags full of cash?
Let's get on with supporting the club and looking for someone with a big back garden where we can play. If DK goes to the wall there is plenty of waste ground around some of it made in Adolf's time and still not cleared up.
Dick, I think your being a bit economical with the truth mate. I can't wait to see how you explain the Fortress Sports Fund and his "watch this space" comments. I have no problem with Bill not having the cash but, as a season ticket holder for over 50 years, don?t feel I deserve to be lied to ? it's total disrespect to all blues.
Dick, BK said that the money for the Kings Dock was already ring-fenced, and after Liverpool City Council extending the deadline numerous times, and after being told the cash was in place, it turned out it was never there.
Even when Gregg came forward, BK wasn?t intrested, because it would have meant him giving up some of his train set. Now, isn?t that being selfish? If he (as we?re always being told) always wants the best for the club, why didn?t he take Gregg up on his offer? Because of BK, we missed out on one of the biggest opportunities we will ever see in our lifetime.
Bryan and Roy, you have to admit that it is often about perception and being economical with the truth. From Prime ministers down to your average salesman, it is the stock in trade.
From the depths of gloom and despite our awful financial situation Evertonian spirits were lifted if only temporarily. Kings Dock was a wonderous vision that tantalised us for a while.
Must we go through life perpetually downcast and without hope? That way of thinking would have seen us under the jackboot. Is it not a good thing that sometimes we set our spirits free and if only momentarily, soar with eagles. All great things have their beginnings in someone's dream.
If the alternative is what many on this site seem to prefer, I would rather hold tightly to Bill's coat-tails.
Am I the only person who, at the start of the season, felt that we would struggle with only three strikers? Did nobody else have the instinctive feeling that Saha was rarely going to be available and therefore didn't count as a squad member? Has any player ever lived up to expectations as he has? Was Vaughan likely to last a full season either? Why are we now bemoaning our lack of strikers? Bad planning methinks. Otherwise Davey, keep up the good work.
Dick, as Brian has pointed out, Kenwright had the enabling funding for KD ?ringfenced? or so he said. So what happened to that money when it was time to put it on the table?
And then when Paul Gregg made a proposal to save the deal, BK vetoed it as it would have meant more kudos to Gregg and then actively sought to discredig Gregg and remove him from the board.
And then when Gregg mounts a challenge to BK to take control of the Club, BK invents the Fortress Sports Fund who?s ?cheque is in the post? ... So what happened to that money?
None of this is a ?matter of perception? but a well documented history of BK being ?economical with the truth?.
Eddy, Brian, Eric and Roy, we may beg to differ so I won?t belabour this matter beyond the dead horse stage but in closing I thank you for the courtesy of responding to my letters. If I am a hopeless optimistic romanticist it is probably the result of being a passionate Everton supporter for nigh on 60 years. I guess that would addle most brains eh lads,?
I think Dick admits that it was all lies to posts back, in a roundabout way.
Rich J, I admit to nothing of the sort. I merely pointed out that my view differs from that of others. We were never going to agree so it was best to move on.
Dick, I admire your faith in Bill and honestly wish I had it but sorry if Bill says its raining I would look out the window to check. I can accept anything as long as its truthful. I would have been more happy with a simple "we can not afford to buy anyone at the moment" instead of "watch this space" ? that?s just one example. As for being in the Boys Pen when Dave Hickson was playing... well, so was I, but it does not make me any better than any other supporter, so why should it allow Bill to deceive the masses?
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