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Please offload Tony Hibbert
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Just currently watching this tedious FA Cup tie and I have lost all patience with our local lad at right back.
He is possilby one of the worst full backs in the Premier League. Being a good tackler in a 50-50 ball or putting your neck on the line can't salvage the fact that he just isn't good enough.
His first touch is awful, always. And this doesn't matter whether he is playing at Macclesfield or on a red fucking carpet. His attempts at crossing are truly woeful ? approximately one in every 50 makes it into the box. And it's no surprise that he's never scored.... and never will for that matter.
Please mend Jacobsen or give a young lad a break and remove this travesty from his position and duties....
Conor Waters, Posted 03/01/2009 at 13:17:33
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Please sign also Messi, Ronaldinho, Ribery, Ibrahimovic, Pato etc.
Pathetic post, the simple fact is we don't have money and we aren't selling anyone because of the size of our squad. So ? good or bad ? Hibbo is our choice as a right-back for the moment.
Santa is no longer with us so let's leave the FM stuff out.
Pathetic post, the simple fact is we don't have money and we aren't selling anyone because of the size of our squad. So ? good or bad ? Hibbo is our choice as a right-back for the moment.
Santa is no longer with us so let's leave the FM stuff out.
Funny, because I didn?t see the game but listened on Radio City.
I?ve really enjoyed Graeme Sharp?s punditry over the course of this season, he?s fair and honest in his appraisal. If we play bad, he says so; if he thinks someone isn?t up to standard, he?ll say so.
Today he singled out both our fullbacks, Baines and Hibbert as contenders for Man of the Match.
Curious.
I?ve really enjoyed Graeme Sharp?s punditry over the course of this season, he?s fair and honest in his appraisal. If we play bad, he says so; if he thinks someone isn?t up to standard, he?ll say so.
Today he singled out both our fullbacks, Baines and Hibbert as contenders for Man of the Match.
Curious.
He was truly awful. The commentator on ESPN was constantly mentioning how he?d "got the freedom of Cheshire, and couldn?t do anything with it".
If Howard hadn?t kept out that last kick of the game, Hibbert would be vilified. Yes, he?s a trier, and I was back there years ago for his debut at West Ham, but he quite simply is not good enough. Neville has at least shown attacking qualities at full back.
I still can?t believe Arteta et al consistently looked for him rather than Baines, but I suspect it was cos the Macc left back had been told not to worry about him.
If Howard hadn?t kept out that last kick of the game, Hibbert would be vilified. Yes, he?s a trier, and I was back there years ago for his debut at West Ham, but he quite simply is not good enough. Neville has at least shown attacking qualities at full back.
I still can?t believe Arteta et al consistently looked for him rather than Baines, but I suspect it was cos the Macc left back had been told not to worry about him.
Both Hibbert and Anichebe were woeful today. Hibbert?s positional play was very poor and almost cost us a goal again in the opening stages. In the second half, Hibbert got a lot of space on the right side but couldn?t do anything with it. Even Macclesfield noticed that.
Anichebe was even worse than Hibbert. He?s possibly the worst forward I?ve ever seen at Everton... and I saw Brett Angell. He poses no threat whatsoever and hopefully Moyes wont play him in the Premier League anymore. Hibbert has always been dire and is a complete liability.
I saw Brett Angell too. He once started a game away at QPR alongside Stuart ?Barndoor? Barlow. Now there was a partnership to strike fear into the hearts of defenders...
Anichebe may be average at best, but he is not that poor, surely?
Anichebe may be average at best, but he is not that poor, surely?
Anichebe and Hibbert are squad players ? nothing more, nothing less.
They cost nothing and they are more than capable of doing a job here and there. I see no reason to get rid, we?d have to replace them and that would cost money ? money we don?t have.
Complete over-reaction and very harsh. Both have done good jobs when called upon this season.
They cost nothing and they are more than capable of doing a job here and there. I see no reason to get rid, we?d have to replace them and that would cost money ? money we don?t have.
Complete over-reaction and very harsh. Both have done good jobs when called upon this season.
Stefan Tosev,
It?s no excuse to blame lack of money for Hibbert?s inadequacy. He was given a new, long-term contract two years ago. Therefore the club management deems him to be of Premier League standard for the duration of that contract, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, typified today. If Sharp considered Hibbert a Man of the Match contender then I truly hope he (Sharp) never gets near the first team selection process. The original post has nothing to do with FM, it is simply a statement of fact ? Hibbert is not good enough to play for Everton at any level.
It?s no excuse to blame lack of money for Hibbert?s inadequacy. He was given a new, long-term contract two years ago. Therefore the club management deems him to be of Premier League standard for the duration of that contract, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, typified today. If Sharp considered Hibbert a Man of the Match contender then I truly hope he (Sharp) never gets near the first team selection process. The original post has nothing to do with FM, it is simply a statement of fact ? Hibbert is not good enough to play for Everton at any level.
Tony Williams will be on in a minute saying how ace Hibbert is ? I had the same argument last week. Not good enough, ditto Anichebe. If Glen Johnson is worth £12 million, Hibbert must be worth .... £100k
Hibbert is a useful squad player. I wasn’t at the game today but I was at the Sunderland match and he had a good game. To say he is the worst full back we have ever had and that he must go now is OTT - a silly reaction from a fickle fan.
Worst forward ever seen at Everton = James Beattie.
In my opinion, when Tony Hibbert first came into the Everton first team he looked a decent defender. Fast farward ten years and he's still the same old player. There just hasn't been any progression; not a bad defender... just not any good on the ball or going forward.
Connor, I usually think you are spot on but when has Anichebe actually done a good job for us? A couple of European games last season? Come on, lad, he’s next to useless.
I really can?t understand how the word "ever" (as in "the worst striker/defender/ ever seen at Goodison") has come to mean "in recent years" or even in extreme cases "since I started watchingEverton in 1998".
"Ever" means just that ? from the very start till now. I saw Bernie Wright and Rod Belfitt, and I could make a case for either of them ? but equally I bet my late dad could come up with somebody from Div 2 days, or my grandad with somebody from before the First World War. Please have some historical perspective!
"Ever" means just that ? from the very start till now. I saw Bernie Wright and Rod Belfitt, and I could make a case for either of them ? but equally I bet my late dad could come up with somebody from Div 2 days, or my grandad with somebody from before the First World War. Please have some historical perspective!
Brian Denton. I saw Bernie Wright and Rod Belfitt and they were truly awful! Beattie was George Best by comparison!
Getting back to Anichebe and Hibbert, obviously some people do think they have a certain worth. While that is the case, they are the two players that I would look to offload to generate funds. The more they play, the lower their valuation in my opinion.
Getting back to Anichebe and Hibbert, obviously some people do think they have a certain worth. While that is the case, they are the two players that I would look to offload to generate funds. The more they play, the lower their valuation in my opinion.
Hibbert is decent Premier League defender, he was given a contract because he is cheap and reliable; Jacobsen is of unknown quality and so far Moyes has indicated that Neville is his first choice for right back. I haven't seen anything from any of the youngsters playing at right back to suggest that they can make the grade.
To propose to be throwing an injury-prone player, whom you haven?t seen play, or an untested youngster, when we are in the business end of the table and looking for a decent cup-run, is pure FM for me.
If Moyes had opted for a weakened side and we had lost, he would have been shot to pieces here, so he made the right choice ? simple as that.
To propose to be throwing an injury-prone player, whom you haven?t seen play, or an untested youngster, when we are in the business end of the table and looking for a decent cup-run, is pure FM for me.
If Moyes had opted for a weakened side and we had lost, he would have been shot to pieces here, so he made the right choice ? simple as that.
I got back from the match and told my Dad that Hibbert was my Man of the Match. Can't believe the abuse he is getting, this is his best spell in a blue shirt for a couple of seasons. Yes, he is not good enough but he does a job and we haven't conceded in 450 minutes now. COYB ? all the way to Wembley!
I agree, Hibbo is not a Premier League player. He can defend against the lesser prem wingers but is out of his depth against the Ronaldos etc.As an attacking weapon he is useless. A squad player at best. I think we have to persevere with Neville (who I think is not much better) until we can find a replacement.
It's a sad indicment on the game that money is widening the gap between the Sky 4 and everyone else. Let's hope the current economic down-turn will deter the rich clubs from paying over-inflated prices for average players or it could sound the death-knell for clubs who drive themselves to bancruptcy trying to compete.
COYB
Lee I was at that QPR game when Angel and Barlow started up front, at one point Angel was geting booked and the whole Everton end was chanting "Off, Off, Off". Sad but funny.
I also once saw Brett Angel pull up suddenly and hit the deck during a reserve game, I thought he?d done his hamstring or something but no, he was looking for a contact lense. No shit. I also recall him once trying to run off a broken leg.
Although undeniably shit, Victor has a long way to go before he reaches those depths.
I also once saw Brett Angel pull up suddenly and hit the deck during a reserve game, I thought he?d done his hamstring or something but no, he was looking for a contact lense. No shit. I also recall him once trying to run off a broken leg.
Although undeniably shit, Victor has a long way to go before he reaches those depths.
Michael Kenrick,
I think he has, yes. He’s always chipped in with goals despite his limited starts and he’s a useful option from the bench. He’s even done a useful job outwide for us this season.
He’s by no means Drogba but he’s nowhere near as bad as people make out. He’s a decent squad player to have as is Hibbert.
I’ve actually seen improvement in his play this year, he no longer has the touch of a baby elephant. His composure and hold up play have been a lot better.
I think he has, yes. He’s always chipped in with goals despite his limited starts and he’s a useful option from the bench. He’s even done a useful job outwide for us this season.
He’s by no means Drogba but he’s nowhere near as bad as people make out. He’s a decent squad player to have as is Hibbert.
I’ve actually seen improvement in his play this year, he no longer has the touch of a baby elephant. His composure and hold up play have been a lot better.
Unbelievable that anyone thinks Hibbert is any good. But equally unbelievable that anyone can be saying "all the way to Wembley"! 90 minutes of play and the Macclesfield goalie apart from Osman's goal didn't have a single save to make. And Macc are in the bottom half of League 2 and have one of the worst home records. And that bar Fellaini was our full available first team. Easy to see why Moyes has never looked like winning a trophy.
Victor Anichebe is living on his Uefa Cup sub appearances. If anyone makes a decent offer for him, we should grab it. I believed he?d make a player but I was wrong. He will find his level eventually and if he?s lucky it will be in League One. Either guile or pace are essential in a quality striker; he has neither.
Tony Hibbert is a proper Evertonian and a good squad player. Let's get rid of Vic before he?s found out.
Hibbert ? ask him to take out good wide players (ie Petrov , City) and he is actually very good at it. Defensively on one-to-one he?s good ? but he is also our worse full back for linking up play, overlapping and crossing. When we are playing well as a team he is a poor outlet; when we are under the cosh he?s at best dependable but prone to loosing his man on the back post.
Anichebe, I?m afraid to say once again (at least 6 times this season) will never never make it as a preferred forward for us. He has no drive or commitment at all. For his size he is actually weak ? he can never hold the ball up and is constantly looking for protection from the refs or is looking for guidance from the bench. Steve Round in the Evertonian actually said the only thing Anichebe has to overcome is his own lack of wanting it.
I would love him to have Vaughan?s drive and commitment (though again Vaughan has to learn how to control it) but unfortunately he hasn?t. There have been several opportunities for him to grab the CF position ? but he hasn?t ? either injured, ill or Vic isn?t quite right. Could you imagine Gosling or Rodwell quitting on a chance to play?
Anichebe, I?m afraid to say once again (at least 6 times this season) will never never make it as a preferred forward for us. He has no drive or commitment at all. For his size he is actually weak ? he can never hold the ball up and is constantly looking for protection from the refs or is looking for guidance from the bench. Steve Round in the Evertonian actually said the only thing Anichebe has to overcome is his own lack of wanting it.
I would love him to have Vaughan?s drive and commitment (though again Vaughan has to learn how to control it) but unfortunately he hasn?t. There have been several opportunities for him to grab the CF position ? but he hasn?t ? either injured, ill or Vic isn?t quite right. Could you imagine Gosling or Rodwell quitting on a chance to play?
I think we all need to take a look at the highlights from the Chelsea game this season...
I agree that his distribution was woeful today. He really, REALLY needs to improve in that regard..
I watched todays game & TH was wearing his 50p shaped football boots. He had the freedom of the park after half-time & fooked every ball up including chances to shoot & score. As for Victor... well, he had no service whatsoever & was marked by two payers! Cahill did ok but missed an effort from 6 yards out my granny could have scored! Neville was like a crab pasing sideways at every chance.
We achived our aim & got through on a bumpy enclosed pitch & in the 2nd half we were 100 % dominant but were slow & deliberate in our movement. They tired but it could have got sour when, in the last seconds, TH made a brill save. We missed Fellaini today, & made it through to round four ? unlike Man City!!!!!
Ben, you must have seen a different game than me because Hibbert was awful. He never put one decent cross in all game. Why Neville doesn't play right back baffles me, as Hibbert is just not good enough.
Hibbert?s distribution is awful, but to label him one of the worst full backs in the Premier League is a pathetic comment! We?ve just had five clean sheets wih him playing back at right back!
I agree we need a better quality right back who can offer more going forward down the flank, like Baines does on the opposite side, but for me Hibbert?s most important job is to defend and he?s not doing a bad job of defending at the moment so lay off him!
I agree we need a better quality right back who can offer more going forward down the flank, like Baines does on the opposite side, but for me Hibbert?s most important job is to defend and he?s not doing a bad job of defending at the moment so lay off him!
You know the thing that really does my head in about football supporters is their really small memories. Last year, Hibbo marked Petrov out the game, Ronaldo had to change wings, and for a one-on-one situation I would back Hibbo every time. Last couple of games in the Prem he has been really good, possible Man of the Match in one of them, and a couple of years ago we were all singing hibbert for England.
Get off his back, why do fans always have to have one player they hate? Defenders are there to defend, he is not a wingback, I don't care if he sets up goals as long as he stops them and I think him and Yobo are miles better than Jagielka only my opinion. And I remember Kenny Samson... now he was bad.
Hibbert is worse than Mitch Ward, Ray Ateveld, Marc Hottiger, and Paul Holmes ever was. Fuck it, I?d even still have Cafu over him and he?s about 50!!!
Fuckn shite and Moyes is to blame for pickin him!!! Get a grip Moyes and open your eyes coz he will cost us countless points over a season!!!
Fuckn shite and Moyes is to blame for pickin him!!! Get a grip Moyes and open your eyes coz he will cost us countless points over a season!!!
He is no way worse than Hottiger and Holmes. Did you see the Chelsea game? You?ll be saying Earl Barrett was better next.
This is a futile and circular argument.
He is good against attacking opposition with an out-and-out winger, because this allows the team to look more solid with a watercarrier in the form of Phil Neville. He is not good against defensive, so-called lesser teams, because he is not the best on the ball (understatement).
For this reason, he is useful to have in the squad. People come on and rave about him when he plays against one of the big 4, or the Man City game with Petrov etc. It is not his fault that Moyes plays him against these lesser lights. Indeed one of the few criticisms of Moyes I can make is his often inability to make a necessary change, either match-to-match or substitutions.
I agree with the Anichebe comments, however. I have never seen a footballer without as many of the basic attributes necessary. Go hell for leather for Heskey. One of the few forwards who could play the 4-5-1 effectively. Admittedly only chipping in about 10 goals, but would bring the other plays in, and with Fellaini and Cahill there are obvious goalscorers behind him.
He is good against attacking opposition with an out-and-out winger, because this allows the team to look more solid with a watercarrier in the form of Phil Neville. He is not good against defensive, so-called lesser teams, because he is not the best on the ball (understatement).
For this reason, he is useful to have in the squad. People come on and rave about him when he plays against one of the big 4, or the Man City game with Petrov etc. It is not his fault that Moyes plays him against these lesser lights. Indeed one of the few criticisms of Moyes I can make is his often inability to make a necessary change, either match-to-match or substitutions.
I agree with the Anichebe comments, however. I have never seen a footballer without as many of the basic attributes necessary. Go hell for leather for Heskey. One of the few forwards who could play the 4-5-1 effectively. Admittedly only chipping in about 10 goals, but would bring the other plays in, and with Fellaini and Cahill there are obvious goalscorers behind him.
Waste of a post.
Aside from the fact that Hibbert has been good recently (against quality opposition), judging anyone in a 3rd round FA cup against minnows on a frozen pitch is ridiculous.
Particularly so with a small squad as ours. Players are "getting through" such games until it matters. I’d say it doesn’t matter to us until the semis. Yes, I’d prefer Glen Johnson too, but we got no money, Hibbert is in Pip’s position because of injury to others, and he always tries.
Allowing for the opposition, pitch, injuries, squad size and league aspirations, I’ll just take the win today and don’t give much of a toss how it was achieved.
Aside from the fact that Hibbert has been good recently (against quality opposition), judging anyone in a 3rd round FA cup against minnows on a frozen pitch is ridiculous.
Particularly so with a small squad as ours. Players are "getting through" such games until it matters. I’d say it doesn’t matter to us until the semis. Yes, I’d prefer Glen Johnson too, but we got no money, Hibbert is in Pip’s position because of injury to others, and he always tries.
Allowing for the opposition, pitch, injuries, squad size and league aspirations, I’ll just take the win today and don’t give much of a toss how it was achieved.
Well said, Jonny, he is good against the better teams. If we had another 10 players that were good against the big 4 we might win a match or two. You can't slate someone who plays good against the Sky big 4.
Everyone knows that Hibbert is not the best at going forward, but he is a solid full back (apart from back-post headers). If we are to progress, we need a squad and he is very important to that concept!
I'll end my entries on this post by saying when we lose draw or play bad, everyone needs a player to pick on; usually it's Hibbert with most people. Everyone raves about the Jag, Villa anyone? ? 3 points lost. We will all agree to disagree.
Adam, I didn?t see the game so I won?t add anything to the post only that if a proven Everton legend says either Hibbert or Baines were contenders for man of the match, I will take that over the usual ramblings of the Hibbert Haters.
Usual story on here, we win yet we have to slag someone/something off. Just be happy that it is the first time in 3 seasons that we have got past the first hurdle in the FA Cup.
(Well said Stephen, just as I posted, there is always something to moan about, even after a win.)
Usual story on here, we win yet we have to slag someone/something off. Just be happy that it is the first time in 3 seasons that we have got past the first hurdle in the FA Cup.
(Well said Stephen, just as I posted, there is always something to moan about, even after a win.)
These are my first posts just a question, IF the post was started at 13:17 how was he watching the match? Looks to me like he?s slating someone before they?ve played... maybe I've got it wrong, but the time is shown.
Hibbert frustrates the hell out of me! Can anyone tell me why most teams attack down his flank?
Ha ha, good point Stephen, the post must have been written before kick off.....doh!
Steve, he has played the last four games, one of them against the top "away" scorers and second placed team and we haven’t conceeded a goal, they may attack down his flank but they get no joy from him.
Steve, he has played the last four games, one of them against the top "away" scorers and second placed team and we haven’t conceeded a goal, they may attack down his flank but they get no joy from him.
A good defender though not quite tall enough. However he isn't the best going forward though there are many who applaud Baines and his crossing is as bad at the moment ? Hibbert never cost £6m! Just get behind them, they all have their failings ? how many times has Arteta failed to beat the first man in the last year!!!
Tony, do you think if we keep going we will change everybody's mind about Hibbert? Another point, have you noticed it's always Osman, Hibbert or Anichebe ? all players that cost nowt, that get the crap from so-called supporters. What about Fellaini? I like him but he hasn't done anything worth his price tag.
I agree with all the other comments about Tony Hibbert. He just isn't good enough and I for one am sick of watching his shit!
Easy then Jay, don’t watch the game or better yet close your eyes when Hibbert is on the ball but I doubt Everton will give you any discount for not watching 100% of the game.
Players I thought we needed to change for this season, Hibbert and Carsley, both are lower Prem players. Carsley has gone and it seemed we really missed him to start off with. Hibbert was injured and we shipped bagfulls of goals... Now Hibbert is back and we tighten up?
It?s a funny old game... but we won today with Hibbert. We do not have a big squad and I?d rather have him than not. Big Vic on the other hand I?d rather not have.
Stephen Baines,
I agree with you about Tony Hibbert.. he is normally very good defensively except when marking for crosses.
But what you have got to understand is that in the modern game, a full back has got to be good going forward as well as defending. Think of Chelsea: Under Scolari, they sometimes play very narrow and use Bosingwa and Cole, who are the fullbacks, to provide the width. Bosingwa, in my opinion, is the best full back in the world, because he is very good defensively and goes forward like a winger.
Hibbert is ONLY good defensively and not going forward, Neville is very capable in both going forward and defending, perhaps not as good as Hibbert defending, but still a better fullback than Hibbert... FACT
Hibbert is a squad player at best, but I saw the game, and his crosses were awful, he was nowhere near the MotM.
I agree with you about Tony Hibbert.. he is normally very good defensively except when marking for crosses.
But what you have got to understand is that in the modern game, a full back has got to be good going forward as well as defending. Think of Chelsea: Under Scolari, they sometimes play very narrow and use Bosingwa and Cole, who are the fullbacks, to provide the width. Bosingwa, in my opinion, is the best full back in the world, because he is very good defensively and goes forward like a winger.
Hibbert is ONLY good defensively and not going forward, Neville is very capable in both going forward and defending, perhaps not as good as Hibbert defending, but still a better fullback than Hibbert... FACT
Hibbert is a squad player at best, but I saw the game, and his crosses were awful, he was nowhere near the MotM.
Every employment has them.... they are wasters that do sweet FA or cause problems but will still gladly accept a remuneration for their services.
Now the majority of employers in the workplace are not stupid and generally notice this lack of ability eventually but can somebody please tell me how our manager (the Moyesiah?) still plays the totally inept Tony Hibbert?
Today, we played one of the worst professional teams on the island of Great Britian and he could not complete the basic traits required by a footballer. His channel was completely empty so there was very little need of his great defensive abilities we keep hearing about... Never to be seen because the man couldn't mark the road with a bucket of paint.
Any man that trains 5-6 days a week, classes himself as a full-time footballer, and still produces amazing errors in distribution should retire now. OK, I accept we won today and have progressed through to next round but I'm totally bemused by this constant inclusion of a player who wouldn't have been noticed playing for Macclesfield today.
Ben, Carragher has played at right back a lot this season, and Dossena left both don't get forward; Liverpool are top of league. Full backs get forward, yes Chelsea are highest scorers, but fact is Liverpool are top. if we win 1-0 I'm happy. 5 midfielders to set up goals, 4 defenders to keep them out.
Why do people have to be so extreme? Hibbert is neither the best or worst full back in the Premier League. When given a marking task usually away from home against a fast winger, he is very effective, eg, against Man City's Petrov, who was in great form until he came up against Hibbert last season. When we have a lot of possession and he has to attack, he is a liability and Neville is a much better option.
Hibbert is fine if he doesn't have to cross the half-way line. I personally like him, and he always performs against the Sky 4. He is scouse, he is a blue and does a decent enough job defensively. He also gives a shit, unlike Anichebe.
The shit he gets from the stands is completely unwarranted as the lad will run himself into the ground for the club. "Big" Vic, however, couldn't give a damn. Ship him out, I would rather have no striker whatsoever than someone who clearly isn't interested.
The thing about Hibbert is that his style of play limits his ability so much. Even the way he runs handicaps him. He?s like a little toddler scuttling around. Have you ever seen him control the ball in any other way than just stand there and cushion it with the side of his foot? It is actually all he can do. He?s a specialist player, good for defending against barrage after barrage when we?re playing a top team. Shouldn?t be anywhere near the first team.
"...still plays the totally inept Tony Hibbert? ... Today, we played one of the worst professional teams on the island of Great Britian... "
The "inept" Hibbert, who has been in a side that has not conceeded a goal since his return? And your point about Macclesfield being the worst team in Great Britain, I don?t even need to respond to that comment.
The "inept" Hibbert, who has been in a side that has not conceeded a goal since his return? And your point about Macclesfield being the worst team in Great Britain, I don?t even need to respond to that comment.
Lucas Neill is available on a free transfer apparently! We could sign him and then get rid of Hibbert. The money we get for Hibbert plus the savings of his wages over the next few years would supplement Neill's wages
Well played, blues; good win. Great goal, and no goals against. Bring on Hull.
Nobody thinks Hibbert is a world beater, and he?s awful on the ball but some realism is sadly lacking from a solid proportion of the people posting here.
For starters, all quality issues aside, we barely have enough experienced players to fill the first-team shirts, the bench is half youths masquerading as reserves, yet we should ship out an experienced journey man who does have his good days.
Get real.
For starters, all quality issues aside, we barely have enough experienced players to fill the first-team shirts, the bench is half youths masquerading as reserves, yet we should ship out an experienced journey man who does have his good days.
Get real.
Don?t believe what I read sometimes.
Hibbert is the worst right back I have ever seen and I?ve seen some fucking stormers down the years.
He offers the team fuck all and I can guarantee the next 4 matches Hull, RS, Arsenal, Man Utd he will cost at least 2 of these matches. Coz if I was the opposition manager, I would encourage my team to get the ball out to his side at every oportunity.
It?s not Hibbert?s fault that he is being picked at least 3 divisions above his capabilities, it's Moyes. To this day, Moyes still makes the same stupid mistakes and this is why we won?t win a fucking thing while he?s in charge. He?s too loyal to the likes of Hibbert, Osman etc who are not the calibre of player that will EVER win silverware and I?d back any amount of money on that statement coz only a fucking idiot would think otherwise.
Hibbert is the worst right back I have ever seen and I?ve seen some fucking stormers down the years.
He offers the team fuck all and I can guarantee the next 4 matches Hull, RS, Arsenal, Man Utd he will cost at least 2 of these matches. Coz if I was the opposition manager, I would encourage my team to get the ball out to his side at every oportunity.
It?s not Hibbert?s fault that he is being picked at least 3 divisions above his capabilities, it's Moyes. To this day, Moyes still makes the same stupid mistakes and this is why we won?t win a fucking thing while he?s in charge. He?s too loyal to the likes of Hibbert, Osman etc who are not the calibre of player that will EVER win silverware and I?d back any amount of money on that statement coz only a fucking idiot would think otherwise.
And here?s your idiot.
50% of the goals we?ve lost this year have been down to Lescott either ball watching, being way out of position or doing that jaw drop thing he does so well.
Hibbert has been a prince in comparison.
50% of the goals we?ve lost this year have been down to Lescott either ball watching, being way out of position or doing that jaw drop thing he does so well.
Hibbert has been a prince in comparison.
Five clean sheets on the trot. A deep, deep indictment against Hibbert and his horrific nightmare RB’ing. He’s obviously the weak link with respect to our leaking goals. Oh....
I?m not a fan of Hibbo going forward, but he and Jags are without doubt the best tacklers in the team by far. Neither will play good football, but when they play, we win games.
Since Hibbo?s been in the team, we?ve been rock solid at the back, and that?s a major factor as to why we?re winning matches. The state of the pitch yesterday always meant it would be a scrap with poor passing, so a clean sheet was the main objective... we knew we?d be very unlikely to come away without scoring a goal.
COYB... and enjoy the fact we?re winning at the mo FFS!!!
Since Hibbo?s been in the team, we?ve been rock solid at the back, and that?s a major factor as to why we?re winning matches. The state of the pitch yesterday always meant it would be a scrap with poor passing, so a clean sheet was the main objective... we knew we?d be very unlikely to come away without scoring a goal.
COYB... and enjoy the fact we?re winning at the mo FFS!!!
"I can guarantee the next 4 matches Hull, RS, Arsenal, Man Utd he will cost at least 2 of these matches."
Hi, Jay C!
I swear I’ll take that bet. Let’s do GBP20/USD40? Just for kicks. I’m certainly not claiming we’ll win these games, but I don’t see Hibbert costing them. If you and our editors agree, I’ll happily send Michael the cash to hold this week, with Lyndon to judge who cost the goals?
If everybody agrees, I’m way in.
Hi, Jay C!
I swear I’ll take that bet. Let’s do GBP20/USD40? Just for kicks. I’m certainly not claiming we’ll win these games, but I don’t see Hibbert costing them. If you and our editors agree, I’ll happily send Michael the cash to hold this week, with Lyndon to judge who cost the goals?
If everybody agrees, I’m way in.
Jay C,
How?s this: my ?winnings? will go to Alder Hey Childrens? Trust. And my ?losings? will be double. We should do this!
Actually I?ll make my ?winnings? double, too. :)
How?s this: my ?winnings? will go to Alder Hey Childrens? Trust. And my ?losings? will be double. We should do this!
Actually I?ll make my ?winnings? double, too. :)
Worst forward = That Brazilian lad we had there a few years back, his name won't come to me but he was a mile worse than Beattie.
I agree with Stig Meacham. I'd put money on the fact that Hibbert won't cost us 2 of the next 4 matches. I say its more likely Lescott will!
Yes, Hibbert frustrates! Some might say he even infuriates at times! But it?s never for his defensive skills (always distribution). So I really can't see how he would cost us 2 of the next 4 matches!
I can only think of one goal this season that he has been at fault for. The one he got beat at the backpost with a header, 'cause he didn't track his man.
Yes, Hibbert frustrates! Some might say he even infuriates at times! But it?s never for his defensive skills (always distribution). So I really can't see how he would cost us 2 of the next 4 matches!
I can only think of one goal this season that he has been at fault for. The one he got beat at the backpost with a header, 'cause he didn't track his man.
Keith Galvin,
Are you talking about anyone as recent as Rodrigo?
If so I think that would be unfair, I remember him being injured for the majority of his time here.
Are you talking about anyone as recent as Rodrigo?
If so I think that would be unfair, I remember him being injured for the majority of his time here.
Hibbert?s questionably an asset against the Big 4 because we set ourself up more defensively and he is expected to clear his lines ? no more. You?ve got to expect more than that in matches against so-called "lesser teams". So it?s the old horses for courses argument.
Much is made of his performance against Petrov last year at Goodison, which admittedly was excellent, but does anyone remember the away match at City? In the second half Petrov was repeatedly slinging in dangerous centres because Hibbert was not tight on his man,
He is being credited with 5 clean sheets recently but didn?t Neville play in two of those? If he is as good as some make out by the way, how come he has never ever been the subject of any transfer speculation? Does he not have an agent or could it just be that other PL managers can see what most of us can?
A squad player, if I ever I saw one. This is not moaning for moaning?s sake. It?s a view based on 5 or 6 year?s observation of the player?s capabilities. And I am not a boo boy before someone accuses me of it!
Much is made of his performance against Petrov last year at Goodison, which admittedly was excellent, but does anyone remember the away match at City? In the second half Petrov was repeatedly slinging in dangerous centres because Hibbert was not tight on his man,
He is being credited with 5 clean sheets recently but didn?t Neville play in two of those? If he is as good as some make out by the way, how come he has never ever been the subject of any transfer speculation? Does he not have an agent or could it just be that other PL managers can see what most of us can?
A squad player, if I ever I saw one. This is not moaning for moaning?s sake. It?s a view based on 5 or 6 year?s observation of the player?s capabilities. And I am not a boo boy before someone accuses me of it!
Even though he is not fit right now, how about Yobo at right back? He has played there for Nigeria and I am sure he was in that position when we bought him.
I wouldn?t be the one crediting Tony Hibbert with 5 clean sheets recently. I credit Tony Hibbert with contributing to 5 clean sheets recently.
The 5 clean sheets recently go to Howard and Jagielka primarily, if we have to name names.
Still want the bet!
The 5 clean sheets recently go to Howard and Jagielka primarily, if we have to name names.
Still want the bet!
Why would anyone bet on Hibbert cocking up and costing us 2 of the next 4 games to prove a point? Cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.
To be honest, I’d rather Hibbert plays blinders, the team keeps clean sheets and effectively Hibbert proves to us that we’re all talking out of our arse.
To be honest, I’d rather Hibbert plays blinders, the team keeps clean sheets and effectively Hibbert proves to us that we’re all talking out of our arse.
Dunno, Ray ;)
Ask Jay Campbell. I wouldn?t state that Tony Hibbert will cost us two of four matches. That?s dogshit.
I love a punt, and I?m well against people who hate our players.
Hibbert will play in these matches, and he?ll play well.
Ask Jay Campbell. I wouldn?t state that Tony Hibbert will cost us two of four matches. That?s dogshit.
I love a punt, and I?m well against people who hate our players.
Hibbert will play in these matches, and he?ll play well.
There?s always one player to get sick at Everton no matter how well they are doing. Remember Unsworth? These same fans who gave him stck were singing his name when he sat in the Gwlady?s St a couple of seasons ago.
Let's get behind the blues for a change....
Let's get behind the blues for a change....
As we are all slagging off players unnecessarily, can I point out the awful performance by Steven Piennar every time the ball came to him? Even on the counter-attack, where he would only have 1 or 2 players to beat for a scoring opportunity, he stood over the ball letting the opposition get back into position and just look for the pass to Baines. So say what you like about Hibbert, at least he did his job (defending) and also chipping in with a few bursts down the wing, which is more than I could say for Pienaar, who I would have blamed if we?d have not won that match ? not Hibbert.
I really find the Hibbert bashing sessions incredibly tedious. He is what he is, a good defender with little ability as a constructive player. We have known that for several years now and Moyes is content because he has far greater problems to deal with.
The moaners and groaners about Hibbert depress me. They exhibit a pitiful inability to understand how to run a Premier League side on a shoe string. I have never heard a national commentator say a bad word regarding Moyes yet these people consider they know better than he does. Are they raving bonkers?
The moaners and groaners about Hibbert depress me. They exhibit a pitiful inability to understand how to run a Premier League side on a shoe string. I have never heard a national commentator say a bad word regarding Moyes yet these people consider they know better than he does. Are they raving bonkers?
I can't believe some of the posts on here, Hibbert is NOT one of the best players we have had BUT he is not the worst either. If you don't rate him then fine ? blame Moyes for picking him. I agree we should have a better player in his place but WE cannot afford to buy.
In all honesty, I don't think he did too bad; he got up and down the flank, put one or two good tackles in, but as usual his distribution at times was shockingly shite. He got himself in good positions out wide to cross the ball and then couldn?t beat the first man, which is criminal for any standard of player, but apart from that he was steady away I thought!
If you ask me, Anichebe was worse; one lazy bastard he is. He might as well have not played the first half because he just didn?t get involved, I didn?t see anything of him at all! Cahill isn?t an out-and-out striker but when we?ve been playing him upfront we?ve got a lot more out of him than we do Anichebe. I?d've gone with Cahill upfront yesterday and stuck Gosling in to midfield!!
Didn?t I read a post recently requesting he deserved an England call-up?
Excluding Jagielka he made the best tackles on the pitch yesterday. And against Ronaldo, Rooney et al he does not panic and shows no fear.
The man was asked to perform way out of his comfort zone, on an ice-hockey pitch (and again gave Howard an easy shift). His temperament is classy as he doesn?t bitch, whine or ask for more money. He is content to provide his services when requested and always provides 100%!
His positional play is strong, and his tackling immense (as proved again yesterday with that perfect sliding tackle).
Newsflash? Hibbert isn?t a winger. He?s an old-fashioned tough tackling SOB who solidifies our defence.
Your knee-jerk post is insulting!
Excluding Jagielka he made the best tackles on the pitch yesterday. And against Ronaldo, Rooney et al he does not panic and shows no fear.
The man was asked to perform way out of his comfort zone, on an ice-hockey pitch (and again gave Howard an easy shift). His temperament is classy as he doesn?t bitch, whine or ask for more money. He is content to provide his services when requested and always provides 100%!
His positional play is strong, and his tackling immense (as proved again yesterday with that perfect sliding tackle).
Newsflash? Hibbert isn?t a winger. He?s an old-fashioned tough tackling SOB who solidifies our defence.
Your knee-jerk post is insulting!
Rubbish post. Totally pointless. Hibbert is a defender first and foremost and generally he does a good job as a defender ? we have 6 clean sheets in the last 7 games by the way!
I know a lot of fans of Clubs outside the ?Big?? 4 and they all say enviously we have a good TEAM that plays well for each other and a very good Manager who gets the best out of them.
The sum is greater than the parts. If you look at each part you could find fault with Howard on long shots, Arteta?s corners, Yak?s workrate, Vaughan?s headless chicken routine, Saha?s injury record, Jags? distribution, Neville?s passing, Lescott?s positional play, Baines physique, etc, etc. Hibbert? s faults are well known, but it is the TEAM that matters and currently, it?s doing ok. ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVES.
I know a lot of fans of Clubs outside the ?Big?? 4 and they all say enviously we have a good TEAM that plays well for each other and a very good Manager who gets the best out of them.
The sum is greater than the parts. If you look at each part you could find fault with Howard on long shots, Arteta?s corners, Yak?s workrate, Vaughan?s headless chicken routine, Saha?s injury record, Jags? distribution, Neville?s passing, Lescott?s positional play, Baines physique, etc, etc. Hibbert? s faults are well known, but it is the TEAM that matters and currently, it?s doing ok. ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVES.
I'm not a great fan of Hibbert but at the end of the day he is a defender and we got a clean sheet. We all know he is not the best crosser of the ball but he can do a job for now and the RB position is one we are in no rush to add to.
You can go right through the whole team and have a go at them all over something because we have not got any superstars at Everton. We all know what Hibbert is like but he gives his best. Although Osman, Pienaar, Arteta and Cahill get a few goals here and there, none of these could be called top class players and these are the players who pull the strings in the team.
I like all the mentioned players but realistically they are not going to win us trophies unless other areas are strenghened and going from DM's words on the TV yesterday, that is not gonna happen. So sadly, we are gonna have to put up with what we have got and hopefully a few of the youngsters can come through in a season that started terribly but will be described as a success if we keep hold of 6th.
The need for a striker is even more important now. So I hope we have someone lined up and we need to watch Fellaini who is on a 2-match ban if he gets booked in his next game. He will be a big player for us.
Get ready for some facts...
If we are to do well in the next month, Moyes needs to change the way he sets the team out to play. We need to play it on the ground. We need Neville at right back. We can't play Anichebe upfront on his own ? he is simply not good enough.
If we are to do well in the next month, Moyes needs to change the way he sets the team out to play. We need to play it on the ground. We need Neville at right back. We can't play Anichebe upfront on his own ? he is simply not good enough.
To all of you who suggested this was a waste of a post or a knee jerk reaction, here is what I say to you ? fuck off.
I posted this because I have had it up to here with him at full back. Stop pointing out the Chelsea game because that was a one off. He is a consistently bad performer ? fact.
Also, I am not so deluded to think that we should just throw in untried ressies or the currently injured Jacobsen (who is in fact a regular international!) ? but anyone would do better.
He is a liability ? end of....
I posted this because I have had it up to here with him at full back. Stop pointing out the Chelsea game because that was a one off. He is a consistently bad performer ? fact.
Also, I am not so deluded to think that we should just throw in untried ressies or the currently injured Jacobsen (who is in fact a regular international!) ? but anyone would do better.
He is a liability ? end of....
How about these for some facts
Since Hibbert got back from injury we have kept more clean sheets than any other tea... coincidence?
Big Vic has come on many times this season to help change a draw to a victory... Coincidence?
Remember how old the big fella is before you start writing him off, he?s 20 FFS ? most proffesionals haven't even broken into the first team at his age. Both of these lads have suffered lengthy lay-offs this season but rather than make allowances, some people still want to make them whipping boys. Other fans want to get behind their local lads... why the fuck cant we?
If successfully navigating a potential banana skin in the cup whilst surging up the league doesn't do it for you, I wonder can you ever be satisfied?
Since Hibbert got back from injury we have kept more clean sheets than any other tea... coincidence?
Big Vic has come on many times this season to help change a draw to a victory... Coincidence?
Remember how old the big fella is before you start writing him off, he?s 20 FFS ? most proffesionals haven't even broken into the first team at his age. Both of these lads have suffered lengthy lay-offs this season but rather than make allowances, some people still want to make them whipping boys. Other fans want to get behind their local lads... why the fuck cant we?
If successfully navigating a potential banana skin in the cup whilst surging up the league doesn't do it for you, I wonder can you ever be satisfied?
Very reasoned and eloquent argument there Conor, you don?t like him so everyone who donesn?t hate him can fuck off.
He is a liability.... prove it.
All the debaters in favour of a good defender have listed his qualities, limited they may be but your post just shows you don?t like him and have a go at him after a game we won.... in fact the posting time would indicate it was before we played.
Great debating tactics, next you will have your fingers in your ears humming loudly.
The use of the words "End Of" or my personal pet hate "Fact" does not prove a point ? it just shows you are not open to debate and have your own close-minded view and no matter what is added you will not change your mind. Sad really.
He is a liability.... prove it.
All the debaters in favour of a good defender have listed his qualities, limited they may be but your post just shows you don?t like him and have a go at him after a game we won.... in fact the posting time would indicate it was before we played.
Great debating tactics, next you will have your fingers in your ears humming loudly.
The use of the words "End Of" or my personal pet hate "Fact" does not prove a point ? it just shows you are not open to debate and have your own close-minded view and no matter what is added you will not change your mind. Sad really.
Just had a quick look at all prem defenders stats ? you know, goals conceded against games played.
Out of all the defenders ? IN THE ENTIRE PREM ? who have played a dozen games or more, guess who has the best stats? Go on, have a guess...
Out of all the defenders ? IN THE ENTIRE PREM ? who have played a dozen games or more, guess who has the best stats? Go on, have a guess...
Sorry, meant to say over 1/2 dozen ? 8 in Hibbert's case
Tony ?Docker? Hibbert is the best tackler in Britain, nuff said!
I saw the game on telly and oh my was Hibbert poor or what. Not the best types of games to play Hibs. The pitch was very small and we needed to move the ball quickly to create any sort of space. Defo not a game to play Hibs. The opponents are a few divisions below us and would chase every ball to compensate for their quality. I would play Hibs against the ball-playing oppositions where their left wingers are afraid of tackles in which they must get roughed up.
Anichebe was bloody awful, I?ll give you that.
Anichebe was bloody awful, I?ll give you that.
Anichebe couldn't score in a brothel ? terrible player; he makes me cringe with his innefective charging around and going nowhere style.
Hibbert is a novelty player ? I enjoy watching him as he looks so unlikely as a pro-footballer. He?s not a bad defender, terrible in the air though... but then so are most full-backs. Hibbo may not be the best in the PL, but he?s certainly not the worst.
Anichebe on the other hand....
Hibbert is a novelty player ? I enjoy watching him as he looks so unlikely as a pro-footballer. He?s not a bad defender, terrible in the air though... but then so are most full-backs. Hibbo may not be the best in the PL, but he?s certainly not the worst.
Anichebe on the other hand....
Like most people, I agree that TH is not a world beater and has serious limitations but essentially he is a decent defender in certain situations. What I find extremely unfair is the degree of stick that the lad takes.
Mike McLean makes a good point regarding Lecott?s shortcomings (many in my opinion but particularly the ball watching) yet somehow he escapes any real criticism. Same goes for Arteta, lack of interest until we approached the transfer window and still has a reputation as a dead ball artist despite an inconsistency to get lift on the damn thing. Yet some supporters consider him almost as the second coming!
Curious but looking back over many years there haven?t been many local lads who have totally won over the fans. Even people such as Colin Harvey, Joe Royle and the great Brian Labone had to prove themselves way above the norm before they were granted favourite status, let alone declared legends. Perhaps this will always be the case with Evertonians?
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