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Saleable Assets?
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In my opinion, last Summer thought us all that we have to sell a big player if we are to buy. Now I have drawn up a list of our most "saleable assets". Before I receive a rant I want to say that I love all these players and I don't want to sell anyone. Until we get a new ground or investment I think we have to sell.
- Yobo ? £8-10 Million
- Jagielka ? £8-10 Million
- Baines ? £5-6 Million
- Cahill ? £10 Million
- Arteta ? £15-20 Million
- Peinaar ? £7 Million
- Osman ? £5-6 Million
- Yakubu ? £15-20 Million
Peter Smith, Posted 06/01/2009 at 10:11:29
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I believe in the current climate, all those prices are far from realistic.
Yobo - £5m
Jags - £5m
Baines -£3m
Cahill - £7m
Arteta - £10-12m
Pienaar - £5m
Osman - £3m
Yakubu - £10m
Just my opinion, I'm sure some will agree and some will disagree, but hey that's football huh!
Yobo - £5m
Jags - £5m
Baines -£3m
Cahill - £7m
Arteta - £10-12m
Pienaar - £5m
Osman - £3m
Yakubu - £10m
Just my opinion, I'm sure some will agree and some will disagree, but hey that's football huh!
Peter, unless Man C are interested, your value of our players is wildly inflated.
Osman, £5-£6 million?
Yakubu, £15-£20 million.
Come off it, what are you on?
Osman, £5-£6 million?
Yakubu, £15-£20 million.
Come off it, what are you on?
So for example, he sells Yobo for £8-10 million, then gets in a centre back that we would be even more desperate for with Yobo gone, that's just as good, if not better, and still have cash left for A N Other to further improve the squad? Genius!!! Just highly unrealistic.
Does the poster realize that the YAK will be coming off a very serious injury and might not be ready to play consistent football until next January? And his ability lies in his strength and his generation of power on the turn. An achilles tear is rough to come back from. To be honest, there would be NO market for the Yak at any price for at least 18 months.
However, Wayne Bridge? Scott Parker? Jermaine DeFoe? Wildy inflated, but someone is willing to pay them.
However, Wayne Bridge? Scott Parker? Jermaine DeFoe? Wildy inflated, but someone is willing to pay them.
I?m sorry Peter, but this is an awful article... we do not want to sell anyone. Our squad is thin as it is, and £15-20 million for Yakubu? Get a grip!!
I?m happy with loan signings for January... Moyes always seems to pull one out of the bag with the three successful loan signings of Arteta, Fernandes and Pienaar.
I?m happy with loan signings for January... Moyes always seems to pull one out of the bag with the three successful loan signings of Arteta, Fernandes and Pienaar.
I don't think Osman is wildly inflated at £5-6 million! He has been a consistent Premier League midfielder in a mainly top 6 side for the past 4 or 5 years now, and chips in with a few goals! I don't think it would be too easy to improve on him with that money.
I actually agree with those valuations but who is surplus? Aston Villa are rumoured to have just bid £11m for Upson and they have one very good CH and three not bad ones so I don't think Yobo is surplus.
Unfortunately we don't have a squad big enough to be able to lose any players without it being detrimental to our season, so the post is irrelevant.
Have you seen Pienaar play recently?
If anybody was to go, I?d have to say Lescott ? while he?s got a bit of value...
I forsee Moyes doing his usual and making a couple of utterly pointless ?Lazarus? signings...
If anybody was to go, I?d have to say Lescott ? while he?s got a bit of value...
I forsee Moyes doing his usual and making a couple of utterly pointless ?Lazarus? signings...
Not one of the above players is a salable asset, their names are carved in stone on the team sheet when fit! The best we could hope for is to claw in a couple of million for some of the youngsters who never get a game, but the only ones with any value are usually needed to fill the bench up these days!
We can?t afford to sell. It just makes you think was it worth signing Fellaini for £15 million? We could have had Manuel Fernandes for about £8 million and watched Everton play more exciting football and had money the other £7 million left to bring in a striker and/or wide player!
David, Jags is worth a lot more than £5 million and you?re not seeing the point of this article. I think Peter is trying to say that, if we had to sell, who would it be? Everyone will disagree on the prices but honestly I agree with this article until we get a new stadium.
We simply can't sell anyone with our squad and you can rest assured that, if we did sell Yobo, then Lescott and Jags would get injured the next day.
Lescott? If we have to sell (I hope and think we don?t), he is surely our most saleable asset. We might get £15M odd, he seems to have had his head turned anyway, and we might be able to cover him with Jags, Yobo and Rodwell. And use the money to buy a striker or a winger. But it would be taking a big risk to part with ANY of our genuine first teamers at the moment.
If we have to sell to buy, then there is no point, all the above are good squad players.
The only one I would consider letting go would be AvdM and he will hang on to the very last day of his contract as he is on top money, so no point.
Off topic. Can’t Big Vic see he has until May to show he can do the biz, how much more incentive does he need.
The only one I would consider letting go would be AvdM and he will hang on to the very last day of his contract as he is on top money, so no point.
Off topic. Can’t Big Vic see he has until May to show he can do the biz, how much more incentive does he need.
Osman is easily worth £5-6 million, Yakubu is without doubt in the £15-20 million bracket as well. Talk about underrating our players.
Players are only worth what the other team is willing to pay. In our case I think our defenders would be the most sort after. We need to stick with the squad we have and add numbers by loan, frees or bring in youngsters with potential.
Come on, we can?t sell anyone right now. We are so thin that none of our promising youngsters are going out on loan. I can?t believe nobody would want to borrow Gosling, Rodwell, Baxter (although I know he?s injured), Kissock, Wallace. It must be that it is Everton?s decision that we can?t put them up for a loan move.
Selling players, thats just not going to happen unless one of them does a "Rooney".
Selling players, thats just not going to happen unless one of them does a "Rooney".
Why does a new ground mean we don?t have to sell? Arsenal are screwed because they?ve got the debt of their new ground. Without turning this into a Kirkby debate, we?d be saddled with £78 million for the new ground. If you want to see players sold then a ground move should guarantee this.
The best option is to sit tight in this climate and hold on to what we?ve got.
The best option is to sit tight in this climate and hold on to what we?ve got.
Why the fack are we obsessed with putting up our first team for wholesale?? Like we have Moutinho and Arshavin queuing to sign for us?!
Which players do you have in mind that can replace any of them? For £5-6 mil Osman can go, thank you very much!
Which players do you have in mind that can replace any of them? For £5-6 mil Osman can go, thank you very much!
Osman?s as good as if not better than Milner @ Villa (technically decent, occasionally slightly underwhelming players). Milner cost £12mill in summer from a selling club ? if we sell Ossie, Pienaar etc we couldn?t afford to replace them.
I?m hoping that our sensible approach to fees & wages will pay off with wannabees like West Ham & Portsmouth already looking fooked!
Here?s hoping we do Liverpool in at least one of the double headers!
I?m hoping that our sensible approach to fees & wages will pay off with wannabees like West Ham & Portsmouth already looking fooked!
Here?s hoping we do Liverpool in at least one of the double headers!
I cannot see that we have any surplus first team players at the moment that we could sell for a decent sum. AVDM yes but worth zero. Possibly Hibbo but once again worth very little.
What I think we are really desperate for is a couple of good strikers. I don?t think the Yak will ever be quite so prolific again after this injury, Vaughany is regrettably one who will, at best, be able to play only the minimum of games. Saha, we took a gamble on the lad and lost. Victor, a lovely guy but will never be a Premier League striker.
Unless we get a good loan signing, we are going to struggle without a recognised striker for half a season! This appears to me to be infinitely more worrying than trying to sell one or more of our very good midfield and defensive players
What I think we are really desperate for is a couple of good strikers. I don?t think the Yak will ever be quite so prolific again after this injury, Vaughany is regrettably one who will, at best, be able to play only the minimum of games. Saha, we took a gamble on the lad and lost. Victor, a lovely guy but will never be a Premier League striker.
Unless we get a good loan signing, we are going to struggle without a recognised striker for half a season! This appears to me to be infinitely more worrying than trying to sell one or more of our very good midfield and defensive players
To answer your question and pick up on Peter?s point and half of Tom Campbell?s point, Jason, the reason why some of us are so ?obsessed? is that, if you read the head article on the home page, we are ?technically insolvent?. That means we cannot pay our debts as and when they fall due, matey, and were it not for the fact that our principal creditors ? read primarily the institutions that are lending to us ? are holding off, we would have to be placed into administration.
That article should ring alarm bells for all of you who are demanding that BK give Moyes money to buy this or that player. There ain?t no money, Virginia; nor is there any more credit to be had (even if we had the money to service the interest). If I were a director of Everton I?d be shitting myself. If that article rings true, their personal assets on the line at the moment.
Things aren?t going to get better financially in the UK for a while and that means reduced fan revenue - particularly for us given you?re talking about a provincial team in a relatively unsalubrious part of England who?s already second fiddle to its nearest neighbours.
As I see it, given the recent news about our accounts and now this ?technical? insolvency assessment, we, one, have to sell anyone we can for whatever we can get (within reason), and two, we have to lower our expectations to that of Premier League survival. Forget today?s Premier League table ? it?s meaningless in the face of this; WBA or Blackburn fans, for instance, have far more cause for optimism than we do.
If it were my business, my strategy for the rest of this season would be sell whoever I could for anything like a sensible price; try to limp the side (or, hopefully, do better) with the remainder of the ?regulars?, one or two loans (for as low salary as possible ? and for Alan Smith type crocs, no play, no pay) and the likes of the Baxter, Jutkiewicz, Rodwell, Kissock, Gosling et. al. to 34 points (or whatever it is that ensures survival); and then have a heads up at the end of the season in the ?hope? that the player market bubble has well and truly burst and that you can buy in to replenish as best you can within your means for next season.
"if you read the head article on the home page, we are ?technically insolvent?. That means we cannot pay our debts as and when they fall due, matey"
Doesn?t mean that, actually, for two reasons.
One, the report isn?t about paying debts "as and when they become due" ? we are fine in that regard ? it?s about being able to repay all of their debts in the hypothetical situation that they were all due tomorrow ? which the bank has zero legal right to demand.
Two, you can see that the report is based purely on the accounts (which is why Portsmouth have been left out). This is a bad measure for ability to repay debts by way of an asset sale ? most of our assets are off balance sheet (i.e. players). Clubs whose big name players were bought recently for big fees would receive a higher rating that clubs whose best players were bought several years ago (Yobo) or for small amounts (Arteta, Cahill) or through the youth system (Osman, Hibbert, Vaughan, Anichebe).
"it not for the fact that our principal creditors ? read primarily the institutions that are lending to us ? are holding off"
They are holding off because they have no right to ask for the money now, unless we default on the payment.
"If that article rings true, [the directors] personal assets on the line at the moment."
Not true, creditors have no access to either a directors or shareholders personal assets. There was a rumour that somebody guarenteed a loan at some point ? if that?s true then that person would be liable for that debt (but no other).
"As I see it, given the recent news about our accounts and now this ?technical? insolvency assessment, we, one, have to sell anyone we can for whatever we can get (within reason), "
Will people please stop this? There is NOTHING in the acocunts that says we need to sell. We are making our repayments comfortably. Granted, there?s not enough excess cash to buy a £20m player every year, buts that?s TOTALLY different from being forced to sell everybody.
"Forget today?s Premier League table ? it?s meaningless in the face of this; WBA or Blackburn fans, for instance, have far more cause for optimism than we do."
Are you being serious? Because West Brom scored higher on an entirely arbitrary index scale?
At least we are above Aston Villa though - they must be up shit creek with an index score of just 2! I bet their fans are terrified.
Doesn?t mean that, actually, for two reasons.
One, the report isn?t about paying debts "as and when they become due" ? we are fine in that regard ? it?s about being able to repay all of their debts in the hypothetical situation that they were all due tomorrow ? which the bank has zero legal right to demand.
Two, you can see that the report is based purely on the accounts (which is why Portsmouth have been left out). This is a bad measure for ability to repay debts by way of an asset sale ? most of our assets are off balance sheet (i.e. players). Clubs whose big name players were bought recently for big fees would receive a higher rating that clubs whose best players were bought several years ago (Yobo) or for small amounts (Arteta, Cahill) or through the youth system (Osman, Hibbert, Vaughan, Anichebe).
"it not for the fact that our principal creditors ? read primarily the institutions that are lending to us ? are holding off"
They are holding off because they have no right to ask for the money now, unless we default on the payment.
"If that article rings true, [the directors] personal assets on the line at the moment."
Not true, creditors have no access to either a directors or shareholders personal assets. There was a rumour that somebody guarenteed a loan at some point ? if that?s true then that person would be liable for that debt (but no other).
"As I see it, given the recent news about our accounts and now this ?technical? insolvency assessment, we, one, have to sell anyone we can for whatever we can get (within reason), "
Will people please stop this? There is NOTHING in the acocunts that says we need to sell. We are making our repayments comfortably. Granted, there?s not enough excess cash to buy a £20m player every year, buts that?s TOTALLY different from being forced to sell everybody.
"Forget today?s Premier League table ? it?s meaningless in the face of this; WBA or Blackburn fans, for instance, have far more cause for optimism than we do."
Are you being serious? Because West Brom scored higher on an entirely arbitrary index scale?
At least we are above Aston Villa though - they must be up shit creek with an index score of just 2! I bet their fans are terrified.
I?m glad you don?t run my business, Steve Carter. In light of your suggestions that we sell everyone; have you sold your car, tv, bed, computer, new Everton shirt, Nintendo Wii, wife and every other asset in your house just to pay off your mortgage? That?s not how debt payments work is it? I?m with Skinner for a more reasonable assessment of our debts.
We won’t get anything for Yak; we dont own him, Bob Earl owns him!
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