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What is going on with this big lump of a lad?
A few years ago, the people in the know were raving about him, but from what I've seen, the lad's got nothing going for him on the pitch, totally one-footed, no pace, about as good in the air as Tony Cottee was, consistently being knocked off the ball and always throwing himself to the ground.
I find it an embarrassment every time he goes prancing around the pitch. Do us all a favour, Mr Moyes, and give one of the other kid's a chance, someone who will show a bit of pride in the jersey, not someone who can't be arsed!
Gary Lawler, Posted 12/01/2009 at 03:54:52
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I thnk he?s been crap since I first saw him make his debut at Bury in a pre-season a while ago.
Sure he scored, but the ball just kept bouncing off him and this really hasn?t improved. IMO, he has never shown as much potential as Vaughan, who i also don?t think would make the grade if he wasn?t always injured.
Sure he scored, but the ball just kept bouncing off him and this really hasn?t improved. IMO, he has never shown as much potential as Vaughan, who i also don?t think would make the grade if he wasn?t always injured.
Just supposition, if we get rid of Vic or anybody else (because you are all moaning about someone or other), we then had money to buy with, who would we buy? Nobody! Because nobody wants to come to us, surprised? I am not, with the club in turmoil over DK. Still, lets look forward to the derbys, COYB.
Personally can’t see him maturing over the next few years to be a regular 20 goal a season player like his mentor Yak.
Hope he proves me wrong though.
Hope he proves me wrong though.
When Clattenburg robbed us in the 2-1 game, Anichebe actually come on and caused Carragher major problems with his physical presence, so if he scores the winner or rescues a point, you lot will have egg on your face.
He’s no good full stop.
At one stage he was able to offer something but he has went back a mile and will cause the RS no problems in the upcoming fixtures.
It says it all really when he’s our only fit striker and Moyes still doesn’t play him (and rightly so).
At one stage he was able to offer something but he has went back a mile and will cause the RS no problems in the upcoming fixtures.
It says it all really when he’s our only fit striker and Moyes still doesn’t play him (and rightly so).
I thought that this lad looked good and had the potential to do well. When we had the news that Yak, Saha and Vaughany were going to be out, I thought it would be the ideal time for Anichebe and could be make or break. Even playing the 4-5-1 should have suited him and I was full of promise for the lad.
However, it looks like it has broken him and we have found out more about him than just a few cameo appearances. It looks like he could be another injury prone player, not great pace or heading ability and for a big lad certainly gets knocked off the ball too easily and far too much. He also seems to be getting a reputation as a bit of a big head which is not a good sign for a 20 year old.
He does seem to have more ability than the likes of Stuart Barlow, Michael Branch, Danny Cadamateri & Phil Jevons have ended up, but realistically he will probably end up somewhere like West Brom, a bottom Premiership side or top half Championship level. Value wise, I?d only expect about £2m, which would be difficult to get a decent replacement in. The biggest indication that he is not going to make it at Goodison is that now he is fit again and with our striker crisis, he can still only get on the bench with Cahill and Fellaini preferred up front.
Although with the two derby games and Fellaini?s suspension, Anichebe might get one final chance.
I?m still hopeful of Vaughan?s future though, he just needs to get his fitness sorted once and for all and curb his enthusiasm slightly!
However, it looks like it has broken him and we have found out more about him than just a few cameo appearances. It looks like he could be another injury prone player, not great pace or heading ability and for a big lad certainly gets knocked off the ball too easily and far too much. He also seems to be getting a reputation as a bit of a big head which is not a good sign for a 20 year old.
He does seem to have more ability than the likes of Stuart Barlow, Michael Branch, Danny Cadamateri & Phil Jevons have ended up, but realistically he will probably end up somewhere like West Brom, a bottom Premiership side or top half Championship level. Value wise, I?d only expect about £2m, which would be difficult to get a decent replacement in. The biggest indication that he is not going to make it at Goodison is that now he is fit again and with our striker crisis, he can still only get on the bench with Cahill and Fellaini preferred up front.
Although with the two derby games and Fellaini?s suspension, Anichebe might get one final chance.
I?m still hopeful of Vaughan?s future though, he just needs to get his fitness sorted once and for all and curb his enthusiasm slightly!
I always thought VA was a decent Championship player, nothing more. It's nothing to do with knocking players, he just isn?t up to it. He shone in the European games because the opposition showed fear. They were scared of him before they knew whether he could play or not. Lets face it if you saw him running at you in full flight you?d probably crap yourself?!
Unfortunately for Vic, Premier League defenders are not so forgiving and thus he has been found wanting. Though we should give him more time, he might just grasp the chance..?
I wrote in to the mailbag last season on how totally shite this player is (it was away to Brum IIRC). No improvements since. Even if you’re genuinely crap at least put in the shift to compensate? Stands around flat-footed, can’t be arsed half the time, spends more time moaning. He should take a leaf off Hibbert.
Waste of a passenger’s space even.
Waste of a passenger’s space even.
I?m with Dean on this one, was he ever any good?
He?s a decent fourth or fifth striker. Somebody to bring on with pace and power (and nothing else) to take advantage of tired defences.
I hope we start with Cahill up front against L?pool and bring in Gosling ? or perhaps Castillo/ Rodwell ? for Fellaini.
He?s a decent fourth or fifth striker. Somebody to bring on with pace and power (and nothing else) to take advantage of tired defences.
I hope we start with Cahill up front against L?pool and bring in Gosling ? or perhaps Castillo/ Rodwell ? for Fellaini.
As the Beattie to Stoke deal seems to have fallen through, we could offer Vic to Stoke and snap up Beattie with the money we get for him.
He?s not a goalscorer and to get the best out of him we need someone who can play off him when he holds the ball up a la Andy Johnson. Most strikers we?ve been linked with will score more goals than him so why doesn?t Moyes bring someone in (preferably before the derby)?
I wouldn?t write Anichebe off completely yet, remember he?s only 20 years old and at most other Premier League clubs he probably wouldn?t even be in the first team yet.
I wouldn?t write Anichebe off completely yet, remember he?s only 20 years old and at most other Premier League clubs he probably wouldn?t even be in the first team yet.
With each passing year is seems less and less likely that he?ll ever make it in the prem.
12 goals a season for a half-decent Championship side.
12 goals a season for a half-decent Championship side.
I think he?s going through a bit of a crisis in confidence at the moment, which may be why Moyes didn?t give him a start on Saturday. It may be true that he doesn?t have a long term future at Everton. But he?s a lot better than some of these posts have been suggesting. Take a look at the European goals he scored last season ? class.
Sadly it seems to be true. The lad should have made some improvement by now. Okay he has scored on some occasions but like Osman spends too many games inconspicuous for long periods. Once again coaching is they key. He needs to control the ball quicker and protect it until support arrives. Time is on his side and opportunity is there for the time being but I fear another club may be his option as he is not good enough for Everton yet to be considered a permanent starter.
The lad will come good. He is being expected to shoulder a huge burden at the moment and he is still very young, and not long back from injury. It takes longer for some players to mature; his time will come.
Alright, we know he?s got his limits, but he?s our only fit striker, what would you have the club do? Sell him? Then everyone would be moaning about that, "How dare they sell anichebe!" etc.
He isn?t a world beater, agreed, but he does have value as a squad player and I?d love it if he started to prove all his doubters wrong in the near future.
He isn?t a world beater, agreed, but he does have value as a squad player and I?d love it if he started to prove all his doubters wrong in the near future.
I too think Anichebe is shit and not matching the potential once shown but I have to disagree about him getting knocked off the ball. He's built like a rhino. He's so strong Everton have stopped him doing weights!
He's too arrogant.
He's too arrogant.
I don?t think he?s as bad as everyone suggests... He?s simply no good at playing the lone striker. What he?s good at is holding up the ball for a supporting striker.
He?s working on his own so is being expected to do something he (and none of our other strikers are by the way ? with the possible expcetion of sick note Saha) are any good at...
I do however take particular umbrage with his increasingly frequent choice of diving... utterly shameless tactic.
He?s working on his own so is being expected to do something he (and none of our other strikers are by the way ? with the possible expcetion of sick note Saha) are any good at...
I do however take particular umbrage with his increasingly frequent choice of diving... utterly shameless tactic.
Big Vic is now at a stage were he has little or no effect on the pitch, hence DM putting him on the bench on Saturday. He cannot perform at the top level; I can see him getting offloaded at the end of the season. On Saturday he only wanted to complain & lay on the floor; we can no longer afford to carry players.
I would agree with the above comments about Vic, the game does seem to pass him by, though in his defence I do remember he was awarded MOTM against Chelsea a couple of years ago when he terrorised Boulahrouz who was substituted after one half. Just wish he could show the same enthusiasm as he did back then.
I am 50/50 on Anichebe.
When I first saw him come into the lime light (I am not sure who came first Vaughan or Anichibe), I was really looking forward to him. He was tall, looked powerful, plus one great advantage was he was a young player that had made the step up.
I am all for players comming through to the first team cos I don't think there has been as much success as there should be, but that's another point. I had imagined a striker line up on 3pm on a Saturday of him and Vaughan but, with all the injuries we have at the moment, I really hoped that he would pull something out the bag making all Evertonians and pudits saying he is fantastic but he's just not able to do it.
One other reason that I would throw into the mix is maybe because his friendship with Vaughan as he gets injured Anichebe looses his confidence.
As an Evertonian I will always support players because if they wear the shirt they will get my support no matter who they are; I just wish he would give us something to say WOW!
Good luck for Monday. COYB
When I first saw him come into the lime light (I am not sure who came first Vaughan or Anichibe), I was really looking forward to him. He was tall, looked powerful, plus one great advantage was he was a young player that had made the step up.
I am all for players comming through to the first team cos I don't think there has been as much success as there should be, but that's another point. I had imagined a striker line up on 3pm on a Saturday of him and Vaughan but, with all the injuries we have at the moment, I really hoped that he would pull something out the bag making all Evertonians and pudits saying he is fantastic but he's just not able to do it.
One other reason that I would throw into the mix is maybe because his friendship with Vaughan as he gets injured Anichebe looses his confidence.
As an Evertonian I will always support players because if they wear the shirt they will get my support no matter who they are; I just wish he would give us something to say WOW!
Good luck for Monday. COYB
I agree he looks crap at the moment but he has had some good games for us, certainly against Villa this season. He?s just come back from injury and he is only young. Most players need a good run in the side to get any sort of form, he?s been in and out all season so it?s difficult at his age to establish himself.
One thing I?ve always noticed is he reacts badly when the crowd get on his back and goes completely missing.
One thing I?ve always noticed is he reacts badly when the crowd get on his back and goes completely missing.
Do any of you lot slagging of Anichebe have the slightest clue about football?
For starters Moyes ruins every striker he has at the club. Young, old, quick, slow, experienced or other wise they all suffer.
Any striker will tell you at what ever level you play in that you need to get a run of games going and the goals will come. Like all the kids we have at Everton, Victor gets 20 minutes here and half a game there then nothing for weeks. That's no way to help a player mature. Add to that playing on your own up front with no guidance from any one is it any wonder he struggles. FFS the lad is only 19 years old, give him a break.
For starters Moyes ruins every striker he has at the club. Young, old, quick, slow, experienced or other wise they all suffer.
Any striker will tell you at what ever level you play in that you need to get a run of games going and the goals will come. Like all the kids we have at Everton, Victor gets 20 minutes here and half a game there then nothing for weeks. That's no way to help a player mature. Add to that playing on your own up front with no guidance from any one is it any wonder he struggles. FFS the lad is only 19 years old, give him a break.
I actually thought his football had improved since coming back from the Olympics. Not sure if he?ll make the grade long-term, needs to go out on loan I think and get some confidence from starting week in week out. He was immense coming off the bench in Europe last season. Still young and no confidence or form at the moment, send him out on loan (probably next season when we can), he needs another chance before it's make or break for me.
Good comment, Tony; sadly why is it that just about every striker suffers under Moyes? Every player suffers from poor form or a lack of confidence, perhaps the truth is we haven?t ever had a striker who plays the way Moyes thinks a striker should. 4 on to 1 strikers have little chance unless they are exceptional. So the order of the day is run the channels, hold it up until the midfield get there...
Anichebe is a Championship level player at best. He’s another Shola Ameobi, a big lump that will never amount to much. Vaughan is a far better footballer but he won’t make it either as he’s made of cardboard.
Innefective.
Lacks pace.
No touch.
Awful control.
Can't pass.
Shooting is terrible.
Weak on the ball.
Falls over a lot.
Complains to referees constantly.
I think that about covers it.
Lacks pace.
No touch.
Awful control.
Can't pass.
Shooting is terrible.
Weak on the ball.
Falls over a lot.
Complains to referees constantly.
I think that about covers it.
Well you lot, I couldn?t give a flying fuck what anyone thinks about him, fact of the matter is that it looks like we?re stuck with him for BOTH games against the Shite. If he gets the winner in either then I?m sure you all shut up.....
Give him some encouragement, coz regardless of how we?ve been playing it?ll mean fuck all against them twats in their own yard. We need as much help as we can get, so stop gettin? at the lad and get behind him for fucks sake.
Give him some encouragement, coz regardless of how we?ve been playing it?ll mean fuck all against them twats in their own yard. We need as much help as we can get, so stop gettin? at the lad and get behind him for fucks sake.
It says it all when I hope that Gosling comes in for Fellaini with Osman pushing inside in support of Cahill.
Eric Myles...... please don’t even jest about Beattie!!!!! The nightmares have only just gone away, and you have to go and mention him again. Have to get bladdered tonight now.
Victor seems to have gone backwards in the last year. I think he benefited from playing more regularly last season. When he first came into the side he was a fairly quick powerfull runner with a need to improve his touch and he had a goal in him. He can be that again if we give him some encouragement. To be at your best you need to play regularly and develop match fitness, strikers also need the confidence of a goal but the lack of match fitness and time on the pitch is making this goal less likely. He is still our only out and out striker. He will not get better if are all on his back. Why do so many of you guys want to destroy players who we cannot replace.
I think it is a bit unfair to slate him, cause he?s got a lot of potential. He?s been unlucky with injuries, been stop/start for him, but I reckon if he gets a decent run in the team he will come good. I thought he looked really good when he was playing on the right wing earlier in the season. But I do agree with a lot of you, I have notice for a big guy, he goes to the ground very easily.
Is he our "David Fairclough"? An impact player to be brought on from the bench for the last 20 minutes?
Seems to be able to play well against tiring defenders when coming in from the right wing but has precious little to offer in 90 minutes. Take the point that he is only 19 or 20 but looks to be a Chanpionship player ? at best. Also, shouldn?t judge a book by its cover ? but he does seem to have an attitude problem.
Seems to be able to play well against tiring defenders when coming in from the right wing but has precious little to offer in 90 minutes. Take the point that he is only 19 or 20 but looks to be a Chanpionship player ? at best. Also, shouldn?t judge a book by its cover ? but he does seem to have an attitude problem.
Not a Premier League player and never will be. Shame really,
Everton has a problem with the current selection of forwards, and none of them appear to be long term prospects.
The Yak scores goals initially but never seems to settle down in one place for too long.
Saha has a big, big history of injury problems and appears to be a short term acquisition.
James Vaughan is a possible gem, but injury history makes long term planning around him a risk.
Victor started like a house on fire, especially in Europe, but now looks like a burnt out shell of what he originally looked like.
DM has to sort this out before we can progress.
The Yak scores goals initially but never seems to settle down in one place for too long.
Saha has a big, big history of injury problems and appears to be a short term acquisition.
James Vaughan is a possible gem, but injury history makes long term planning around him a risk.
Victor started like a house on fire, especially in Europe, but now looks like a burnt out shell of what he originally looked like.
DM has to sort this out before we can progress.
I was at Goodison on Saturday and have to agree with many of you, he was pretty ineffective... and falls over A LOT.
Part of me thinks that his previous "super sub" Uefa Cup performances last season have done him a lot of favours...
Part of me thinks that his previous "super sub" Uefa Cup performances last season have done him a lot of favours...
Let's see what Vic does over the next two games. I have a gut feeling he?s going to score in both games. Draw in the league win in the cup. Positive thinking my friends. It has to work at some point.
Big Vic was the bright star in our European run last season ? no credit given. Big Vic gets a start at right midfield when we are really struggling and we can?t believe it, plays a dodgy half then is brilliant in the position for a few games ? no credit given.
Then gets injured and effectively dropped by the manager... clearly a ?confidence? player, and nobody shows any confidence in him. There has been some incredible posts since the Hull game slagging off the manager and the players ? I despair sometimes at the poverty of support for our players, no wonder they somethimes ignore us at the end of a game. Let's give the lad some backing and stop mauling him, poor sod.
Just the bench then for Vic for the derbies? It seems the fans here would rather start with Gosling or even Castillo... so the big question now is... is Vic still ahead of Shandy Andy Vandy in Moyes’ ideas??
It would appear to be that Victor comes over as being as big a moaner on the park as Tony Marsh does off it!!
Any striker who comes on for 20 minutes of a game we have already won is going to struggle to make any impact. The problem with a lot of fans who send in posts is that they have very small amounts of original thoughts in their heads. They pick on players one week and the next they are great. Arteta, Cahill and Lescott have all been crucified at certain points this season for not being as good as last season. Well Kaka has been shite at times this season, so have Drogba, Tores etc etc. I remember Anichebe playing brilliantly against Villa then he had his bad back and so on. Let's have some posts that display intelligence.
Tony Marsh can never see past his disregard of David Moyes and knows as much about football as Kerry Katona knows what fuckin planet she?s on. Vic has all the raw materials for success except the most important one: DESIRE ? he just doesn?t want it enough for me. If he had the desire of James Vaughan then he would be a real prospect.
When we needed him this season after Spurs (a) where did he go? Answer off to the treatment table for a few games ? fortunately we have Tim Cahill, Phil Neville and Leon Osman who will play through knocks and injuries when they can for the team and fans.
Vic, when he can be bothered to get off his ample backside, hardly gets the pulse racing does he? Macclesfield we are all freezing our nuts off on the terraces and he has a chance to give their two very limited and rustic looking centre-backs a hard time of it and grab himself a goal. What does the lazy sod do? ? Strolls around the pitch like he?s taking a walk in the Cheshire countryside. He leaps to the floor on any opportunity in recent games gettting knocked off the ball as easily as the aforementioned very wobbly Kerry Katona on high heels (or whatever else she?s on).
No wonder David Moyes won?t start him and only gives him 20-odd minutes or whatever. He knows as do his team mates that Vic has changed from last season and become a lazy big tart. All is not lost for Vic ? he can improve and become the player we want him to be. What he could do with is someone like Alan Stubbs to give him a big kick up the arse and tell him to stop sulking and put himself about a bit ? but not like KK!!!!
Have to agree with Paul Joy's comments, he doesn't even look like he can be bothered, with or without the ball. Hard to see if he has any talent when he doesn?t bring his A game.
He looks shite to me. But then Andy Cole always looked pretty crap to me too, and he scored about as many goals as Big Dunc made appearances.
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