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My first Merseyside derby was in 1964 when Vernon and Gabriel scored in a thoroughly enjoyable 3-1 thrashing. You might think that the terror, trepidation, anticipation and exhilaration of derbies would wear off a bit, but I can tell you I am just as psyched today about the back to back derbies as that little boy was 44 seasons ago.
One thought is preying on my mind this week. Liverpool fans, most of whom as we know, don?t come from Liverpool, will be traveling to Liverpool to watch their team, while very soon now, Everton fans, most of whom who do, by and large, come from Liverpool, will have to travel out of Liverpool to see our team. Can there be any better indication of a world turned upside down?
We may be able to defeat Liverpool in these upcoming derbies, but I doubt if we will ever be able to defeat the backward march of progress as it applies to our beloved club.
That first derby game of my career as an Everton fan brought 66,000 supporters in heaving waves of humanity to a tightly-packed stadium then thought to be among the best in the land. I shudder to imagine the atmosphere of future derbies once Disaster Kirkby has run its insipid course.
Peter Fearon, Posted 13/01/2009 at 18:58:08
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Lifelong blue??
How can you call yourself that if you’re even considering ’cutting the cord’ if it goes through?
This will be our 3rd ground. Goodison wasn’t our ’original’ home. But because of the type of person a blue nose is, it has become our beloved and hallowed ground.
I’m sure that whever we move the real toffeemen will make the new ground our home within a generation or so.
If people choose just to disown the club because of a ground move then let them go and be a pinky like the last lot.
Futile argument that is now becoming tiresome. Move on or shall we just stay in the dump called Goodison and (if were lucky enough to afford it) enjoy pre-match hospitality in a tent in the car park!!!
But according to the Club and certain pro Kirkbyites on here transport options around GP and Walton are not sufficient to handle an expansion of GP to 50,000!
As for Kirkby, I missed the Villa game as I was bullied to go to a 40th by my wife and the first pub I went in there was sat 12 blues I knew, 5 of which had not too long ago possessed a season ticket. The credit crunch, shit football and Sky are crippling our attendances this year so what do you think the Kirkby move will do?
Many have said they won't go, full stop. Now this transport issue, which is telling us all to not get there by car... so what will this do to encourage more people to take the pub option?
I left the Halfway in Prenton at 2:30pm Saturday gone and made kick-off with my mates, we happened to be late due to a couple of lads working, so what would the Kirkby option be? We would basically have to set off at 12 to get buses, trains and so on. You can question all you like "if you're loyal you will get there", but there will be so many blues stumped with this debacle in Wirral and North Wales, both of which add to over half our season ticket support, and you can bet your life that Billy Bull won't be addressing this situation.
Kirkby has the Riverside stamped all over it and people still get ropped in by men who lie more than a wooden puppet.
Does anyone have any idea how Everton are going to raise £78 million (realistically)? As long as we?re skint, we?re going nowhere and there is absolutely no sign of any investment.
Away fans in the new Park End.
Executive boxes at the back of the new Gwladys Street.
Executives occupying the last couple of rows of the new Gwladys Street.
No acoustics for fans who wish to sing.
Safety risks if fans stand in the upper.
People think the stadium is rubbish because it's all we can afford. Those above decisions aren?t monetary, they?re thoughtless.
My first proper derby was the 1962 one at Goodison but I saw the floodlit cup games before that... You brought back some great memories.
Sean McCarthy, see Lyndon's reply.
Frank Brown, I?m more interested in the enquiry because I see Kirkby as a threat to me and my kids supporting Everton FC. This will be a life changing situation for me and many thousand others, not just a few "wild eyed fanatics".
At one of the recent matches, having a drink in the ground before the kick-off, I had a group of 3-4 people next to me who had the broadest East Lancs accents possible but who were clothed in all the blue and white Everton scarves, hats, and so on which it appeared they could find.
Then in the seats, I felt half-surrounded by Lancashire accents I?d guess from nearby places, like Southport, Ormeskirk, St Helens and Runcorn, certainly not Liverpool accents. If I didn?t know better, I could have easily had the impression that half of Everton supporters weren?t from Liverpool but were woolibacks (no offence meant with the term, just meaning to define geographical origins).
So, in that sense, the move to Kirkby could be seen as a compromise to them...
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Peter, my Everton and I?m sure thousands of others can?t just be picked up and plonked on a retail park outside the city and carry on as normal. For the past 18 months I log on to KEIOC first then ToffeeWeb. That?s where I am as a life long blue. I?m more interested in the Inquiry than team news... It?s very sad.