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I was feeling nervous and sick in the days leading up to the derby game. 5 minutes before kick-off and the telecast showed the Shite fans singing "You'll Never Win Again"... or is it "Walk Alone"? and in the background I could here the 3,000 or so Everton fans singing their hearts out trying to drown out the evil ones. All through the game, they never let up and you would have thought at times it was our home ground.
In those last anxious seconds before kick-off I had this feeling that their efforts would not go unrewarded. To hear the Evertonians in full song brought a tear to my eye. I have never been so proud to be an Evertonian as I was this morning. My only regret was that I couldn't be there and be a part of it all.
On behalf of us who couldn't be there I thank you for the positive representation you demonstrated of Everton to the world.
COYB
Peter Bourke, Posted 20/01/2009 at 03:20:26
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I just love Everton Football Club,
Just a few stats to throw at any RS you may see today. We had 6 shots on target compared to their 2. They committed 20 fouls compared to our 17. Our tackle success rate was 77.3% compared to their 57.9%. They only had 51.2% territorial advantage. I’d easily say we were the better team.
Great result... the whole of our team cost less than Torres!! That’s saying something isn’t it. I just love Timmy but why hasn’t he punched the corner flag the last two goals he has scored!! Would have loved to have seen him do that last night!!
A great and fair result, well done the lads for digging in and not giving up.
I said on this site a while ago how worried I was about Arteta and how he needed either a kick up the arse or an arm around the shoulder, whatever Moyesy did it?s worked because his delivery last night was top draw. A few months ago that free-kick wouldn?t have cleared the wall, last night all Timmy had to do was use the pace to guide it in (with great skill of course).
I think a few of those dickheads on this site calling for both Moyesy?s and Arteta?s heads should be making themselves heard today.
I said on this site a while ago how worried I was about Arteta and how he needed either a kick up the arse or an arm around the shoulder, whatever Moyesy did it?s worked because his delivery last night was top draw. A few months ago that free-kick wouldn?t have cleared the wall, last night all Timmy had to do was use the pace to guide it in (with great skill of course).
I think a few of those dickheads on this site calling for both Moyesy?s and Arteta?s heads should be making themselves heard today.
Good work by Arteta and Cahill for the goal, but the star for me was Leighton Baines ? he was immense. Hope we can roll them in the cup!
Peter, you're right. I was in the Anfield road and we never stopped singing from the first whistle to the last; considering that shower could have gone top their support was a disgrace. So proud of the team last night, they just don?t know when there beat. Roll on Sunday.
Mac Lloyd ? good shout!
We played very well, with spirit and composure and deserved a point. Am very proud to be an Evertonian and yes, the Moyes knockers should finally concede that Moyes knows what he?s doing (though I expect them to come on here and bleat about how we should have won and that the footie wasn?t good enough).
We played very well, with spirit and composure and deserved a point. Am very proud to be an Evertonian and yes, the Moyes knockers should finally concede that Moyes knows what he?s doing (though I expect them to come on here and bleat about how we should have won and that the footie wasn?t good enough).
I thought we done a job on them. Torres's elbow on Lescott a disgrace considering Fellaini got vilified by certain people against Hull. Pienaar looked bad but ocupied Carragher all night, stopped him playing in our half. Jagielka was superb and yet made nearly very costly positional mistakes. In work as I write this, smug in the fact that they hate our Tim. I?d give him a testimonial tomorrow; cut him in half like a bar of rock it would say EVERTON.
Credit to Moyes and all the lads last night, they were superb.
All I have ever asked for was passion, and to at least have a go, and last night it was spot on. I had lost some of my enthusiasm for the Derby lately, the way we have seemed to rollover against them. But the passion was put back in me last night. So thanks for that Davey, maybe I just might start believing in you a bit more.
All I have ever asked for was passion, and to at least have a go, and last night it was spot on. I had lost some of my enthusiasm for the Derby lately, the way we have seemed to rollover against them. But the passion was put back in me last night. So thanks for that Davey, maybe I just might start believing in you a bit more.
Mac Lloyd ? I agree with you! I find it unbelievable that there are so many Moyes haters that visit this site. You only have to look back to the thread about Fellaini after the Hull game ? typical comment ?Moyes doesn?t know what hes doing for not subbing MF ? sack him now?.
Without Moyes we?d be a team in the wilderness ? remember the state of the club after the 3-0 trouncing by Middlesbrough in the cup days before Walter final got booted! A shambles ? the lowest I?ve seen the club in 25 years of support. Well, we?re consistently finishing in the top 6 now and that's with very little money being spent on players!
Someone says above ? the team out on the pitch last night cost less than Torres, incredible! Thank you David Moyes! But I doubt you?ll find any of the doubters posting this morning ? they only come out when there?s something to bitch and whine about!
Lets hope we can go one better on the weekend!
COYB!
We have started to show much more against the big 4 too, coming from behind against Man U and RS, and getting a decent point against Chelsea (although down to 10 men)! We need to beat Arsenal though to stay in touch.
Ed Casey,
Simple question.
Do you think all the players played so well last night that there was no requirement for substitutions?
Simple question.
Do you think all the players played so well last night that there was no requirement for substitutions?
I normally have a go at Moyes for not bringing anyone on from the bench until it’s too late, but last night he got it spot on. Who could he have brought off? Who could he have thrown on that would have improved our performance? Well done DM.
Is it true that last night's goal made Cahill the first Everton Player to score in 3 Anfield derbys since the great Dixie Dean? Can anyone confirm that? What an absolute legend he is!!!
Loved the way he threw Skrtel out of his way!
Loved the way he threw Skrtel out of his way!
I knew we?d get at least one snipe saying "why didn?t he change things, hasn?t got a clue etc." I was thinking about subs but he had no options, take Vic off and it would seem negative, take Ossie or Peanuts off and bring on who? A couple of kids who?d get chewed up in the atmosphere?
No Danny, you?re dead right, well done Davey you stuck to your conviction and it paid off.
No Danny, you?re dead right, well done Davey you stuck to your conviction and it paid off.
I assume by that response Mac Lloyd that you believe in leaving players on the no matter how poor they are performing...
That?s a novel approach to management.
That?s a novel approach to management.
Ed Casey, Moyes haters my arse, the team has virtually picked itself since our strikers became redundant. Victor wanted off after he sprained his own ankle and Moyes had no idea how to change things. The facts of the matter are the lads are playing for each other, no need to employ great tactics with that spirit but our Davey could add to the mix with a bit of creative thinking.
McMoan n Loathe, so you're saying a point away from home against a team who walked all over us earlier in the season isn't a good result and has nothing to do with the manager? I suggest you read the interview between Arteta and Cahill, maybe then you?ll see the respect they have for Moyes. You and your ilk sicken me when your pure hatred of Moyes blinds you to a positive team performance which showed we have improved immeasurably since he took over. I suggest you find something else to moan at as your bile and dross is becoming rather boring.
Steve/Ciaran, who do you think was playing badly last night that you would have subbed? My RS mate thought Pienaar was the best player on the pitch. Jagielka and Baines were fantastic. Vic kept going right to the end to win the free kick for the goal. Cahill was so clever to avoid being marked (watch the replay of him hiding on the goal-line), Arteta was disciplined, Neville fought manfully, Osman ran his socks off. Apart from maybe Gosling on for an injury in the last 10, I would say Moyes was spot on to leave it as it was given the inexperience on the bench.
Look at the RS subs, Benayoun was shite, Lucas was shite. If the negative fat waiter hadn?t tried to sit on the lead for the last 10, letting Baines and Hibbert push on down the flanks, they probably would?ve won the game. Moyes won the tactical battle last night and deserves credit for it, which he is getting in every paper I?ve read today.
"McMoan n Loathe" hahaha! Nice one. Seriously, some people really need a reality check, look how much Villa have spent just to get into the top 4 (temporarily). Moyes is over-achieving with our resources and most of the people who doubt that are amongst the club?s fans. OK so we don?t play champagne football all the time but neither do Chelsea or the RS.
Look at the signings of Moyes compared to the 10s of players Benitez has bought, failed and moved on quietly while we?ve been down the car boot sale picking up bargains which on the whole have worked out. It?s much harder to achieve what Moyes has than to spend £100s of millions to come 3rd/4th every year. Give the guy some credit for once.
Ha ha ha!! Ciaran McGlone and Steve Lyth you pair of plonkers! Do my eyes deceive me or have you come on here moaning about no subs when we actually dominated the last 20 minutes and scored an equaliser?
Can you not see what arses you make of yourselves?
Can you not see what arses you make of yourselves?
Paul, in my own opinion, Vic wanted off and to be honest I would have subbed him for Jutiewicz who looks more than capable of staying on his feet, something Vic finds hard to do.
Phil, my comments were directed at the "Moyes Haters" outburst left by Ed Casey. It doesn't take an expert tactician to come up with a team we are playing at the mo given the injuries the squad has sustained. I don't hate David Moyes but please don't tell me the current 11 we employ have come about as a tactical masterstroke. You were obviously not at the match last night Phil because if you were, you would have found that the vast majority of us wanted Vic subbed.
As for dominating the last 20 mins, the only plonker talking out of his arse is you fella.
As for dominating the last 20 mins, the only plonker talking out of his arse is you fella.
Vic not staying on his feet won us the free kick that lead to the goal. In fact, Vic was the only player out there who tried to beat a man and he was still doing that in the last 5 minutes... give the lad a break.
Steve, Vic was fit enough to run down the left wing, beat Benayoun and be fouled for the free kick which led to the goal. So he may have been carrying a knock but he was still fit enough to make a crucial difference. Howard Webb, like all the other refs, doesn?t give free-kicks if you stay on your feet. I don?t like it but the fact is the "if you are fouled you go down" rule is now part of the game.
Vic is a young lad learning his trade and doing a good job filling in for our injury crisis. If he?s out of his depth sometimes, and yes he does lack a bit of touch, then let?s hope he is benefitting from the 1st team experience he wouldn?t have expected to be getting. Jutkiewicz may well be a better player but Vic did well holding up play last night and made a big contribution to the result and the performance.
I think it is a clever move by Moyes to play Vic on the right, especially when Hibbert is playing, Hibbert is a decent defender but all he can do is hoof it up the right side, so it's handy if Victor is on that side to get flick ons or try to chest it down and make the ball stick up field.
Victor made a difference last night and deserves full credit for it, he was a handful. I think he has a lot of potential and could turn out to be an important player for us.
Victor made a difference last night and deserves full credit for it, he was a handful. I think he has a lot of potential and could turn out to be an important player for us.
Lythey, it’s one thing the team picking itself but who decides on where each one plays and what tactics should be employed?
Who decides when we attack and how deep we should sit when we defend?
Who decides who we mark at corners and where the ball should be played on on our own attacking set pieces?
Who decides when Osman or Pienaar should push up or when the fullbacks should get forward or stay back?
Who decides that Neville should just sit in midfield to break up play?
These are just a few of the tactical decisions our manager has to make. To be so dismissive of this is just plain naive and shows a real lack of understanding of the game of football.
Who decides when we attack and how deep we should sit when we defend?
Who decides who we mark at corners and where the ball should be played on on our own attacking set pieces?
Who decides when Osman or Pienaar should push up or when the fullbacks should get forward or stay back?
Who decides that Neville should just sit in midfield to break up play?
These are just a few of the tactical decisions our manager has to make. To be so dismissive of this is just plain naive and shows a real lack of understanding of the game of football.
Ian, I?m gald you mentioned Hibbo but not in the negative way i.e. all he can do is hoof. He?s another who?s had plenty of stick on this site and deserves some credit for a great performance last night. Alright his distribution isn?t always sweet but his crossing was first class.
A well fought result, deserved one too. The clearer chances were created by the blues and although I admit to being uncomfortable with Neville in midfield we did ok.
We just don't give up. Great spirit.
Just a word though, over here there was a shot of the fouth official (Mark Halsey) congratulating the Spaniard when they scored, did anyone else see that? Laughing and patting the manager on the back hardly seems impartial does it?
We just don't give up. Great spirit.
Just a word though, over here there was a shot of the fouth official (Mark Halsey) congratulating the Spaniard when they scored, did anyone else see that? Laughing and patting the manager on the back hardly seems impartial does it?
I have NEVER been so proud to be an Evertonian! It truely is a love affair.
Steve, I admit I thought Victor looked out on his feet from about 75 mins. My problem is that you are saying Moyes ?didn?t have a clue?, and intimating that the players are playing for themselves rather than for Moyes. You could not be further from the truth on both counts. Read the Arteta-Cahill article in The Times. The man clearly knows exactly what he is doing and has gained enormous respect among the players.
I don?t care if you were at the game, I don?t care if you live in the janitors room at Goodison. To suggest that he has ?fluked? his way into our current great situation (which you clearly have) is a huge insult to him and the players.
I don?t care if you were at the game, I don?t care if you live in the janitors room at Goodison. To suggest that he has ?fluked? his way into our current great situation (which you clearly have) is a huge insult to him and the players.
I thought Moyes got it spot on last night, regardless of who he had to pick from. Playing Vic on the right was good tactically, as he tucked in on occasion to support Cahill. The jury?s still out on Vic for me though but last night he was all heart and effort, and so were the other 10 lads. Just goes to show that you can have all the money in the world but you can't beat team spirit!
If last night's game was to be judged on togetherness, team spirit, and attitude then we would have won 11-0! Stevie GBH carries that team; take him out of it and they would struggle to get in Europe.
I still think Fellaini is pants though, and him not playing last night was a blessing in disguise. Roll on next week!
If last night's game was to be judged on togetherness, team spirit, and attitude then we would have won 11-0! Stevie GBH carries that team; take him out of it and they would struggle to get in Europe.
I still think Fellaini is pants though, and him not playing last night was a blessing in disguise. Roll on next week!
Peter... Just want to point you towards Cahill’s comments on the OS - dedicating his goal to the immense Everton fans.
The guy is a LEGEND
The guy is a LEGEND
Was reading (gloating) on a RS site last night and couldn?t believe the abuse directed towards Everton as a club, it?s fans and Timmy C, one fine upstanding kopite even went so far as to say he would like to stab Cahill to death, doesn?t sound like a red does it?
Well done lads, here?s hoping we can do them over in the cup.
Christine Foster, I saw Halsey back-slapping too! WTF?!
"McMoan n Loathe, so your saying a point away from home against a team who walked all over us earlier in the season isn.t a good result and has nothing to do with the manager?"
Pat, Please put your glasses on before reading the posts. No-one said anything like that.
Pat, Please put your glasses on before reading the posts. No-one said anything like that.
Ciaran McGlone
Your whining makes benitez look class.
Why don’t you go and take some happy pills and give us all a break.
Your whining makes benitez look class.
Why don’t you go and take some happy pills and give us all a break.
"Who do you think was playing badly last night that you would have subbed? My RS mate thought Pienaar was the best player on the pitch."
I'm sure he did think Pienaar was great... after all he kept giving Liverpool the ball.
Ed Thomas... if you don?t like my posts then don?t fucking read them.
I'm sure he did think Pienaar was great... after all he kept giving Liverpool the ball.
Ed Thomas... if you don?t like my posts then don?t fucking read them.
Alan, I am sure everyone of our players understands his role on the pitch, ie if Phil Neville is not playing full back he plays defensive mid, our flair players push on and create etc etc. It's not rocket science mate, it is in fact a fairly simple game. Phil do I think that our current playing 11 have come about mainly as a result of bad fortune (a fluke), yeah I do. Do you honestly think Moyes would have picked the current 11 at the start of the season if everyone was available to him? David Moyes, like any other manager, is open to question where tactics are concerned, I don't see how my analysis insults him.
Ciaran and Steve
Read the Times article.
Then come back and let us know what you think.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/everton/article5542325.ece?Submitted=true
Read the Times article.
Then come back and let us know what you think.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/everton/article5542325.ece?Submitted=true
Last night, I thought we were awesome. We did everything we could and should have done to get a result and a point is the least we deserved.
One point though, Benitez the fat prick, cannot bring himself to give us credit. Even in the post match interview. The cheeky bastard even took both strikers off with 20 minutes to go!!! He actually thought that we would not score.
We are the most dangerous team in the prem from set pieces and that?s a fact. The stats prove it. No team scores more headed goals either. The bell end got what he deserved and we got what we desreved.
Jagielka, Baines, Lescott, Hibbert, Arteta and Cahill were superb. All the team made me proud last night though.
COME ON YOU BLUES!!!!!!!
One point though, Benitez the fat prick, cannot bring himself to give us credit. Even in the post match interview. The cheeky bastard even took both strikers off with 20 minutes to go!!! He actually thought that we would not score.
We are the most dangerous team in the prem from set pieces and that?s a fact. The stats prove it. No team scores more headed goals either. The bell end got what he deserved and we got what we desreved.
Jagielka, Baines, Lescott, Hibbert, Arteta and Cahill were superb. All the team made me proud last night though.
COME ON YOU BLUES!!!!!!!
Ciaran, calm down mate we?re all ejoying this debate and you?re entitled to your opinion as wrong as it is. This is what footy is all about.
Steve, it IS a complex game and because of that managers and tactics are crucial, just ask England/Spurs/Newcastle/Sunderland/Hull/Liverpool fans whether they think you can just put out 11 "good" players with any system and expect results.
There are whole libraries of books published about football management and a whole load more about strategy/tactics and even sports psychology. We have a good manager, he makes a big difference to the club and you are in the minority who don?t think so. (I don?t think your analysis insults him btw ? I just think you are wrong!)
Steve, it IS a complex game and because of that managers and tactics are crucial, just ask England/Spurs/Newcastle/Sunderland/Hull/Liverpool fans whether they think you can just put out 11 "good" players with any system and expect results.
There are whole libraries of books published about football management and a whole load more about strategy/tactics and even sports psychology. We have a good manager, he makes a big difference to the club and you are in the minority who don?t think so. (I don?t think your analysis insults him btw ? I just think you are wrong!)
After all the issues about fans getting arrested for singing songs... did anyhting happen on this front and were the anti-Gerrard songs sang without arrest??
Ciarán McGlone, let’s be rational here. With 20 minutes to go, Moyes needed an equaliser. He looked at the players on pitch, he looked at his bench and decided the players on the pitch had the best chance of grabbing an equaliser against the team at the top of the Premier League.
And what happened?
The players on the pitch scored an equaliser against the team at the top of the Premier League. So what exactly is your gripe? Do you wish we’d found an equaliser in a different way? Who did you want to take off? Anichebe, who won the free-kick? Pienaar, who ran 40 yards to regain possession for us just 2 minutes before we won the free-kick?
Mate, I know you have this thing about Moyes, but having a go at him when his decision to keep faith with his players is paid off is truly ludicrous.
Sometimes, making the decision to stick with the 11 on the pitch is tougher than throwing on a new boy.
And what happened?
The players on the pitch scored an equaliser against the team at the top of the Premier League. So what exactly is your gripe? Do you wish we’d found an equaliser in a different way? Who did you want to take off? Anichebe, who won the free-kick? Pienaar, who ran 40 yards to regain possession for us just 2 minutes before we won the free-kick?
Mate, I know you have this thing about Moyes, but having a go at him when his decision to keep faith with his players is paid off is truly ludicrous.
Sometimes, making the decision to stick with the 11 on the pitch is tougher than throwing on a new boy.
I?ve read the article..and , well ..its lovely.. But how exactly does that change anything?
I am simply saying, that in my opinion, Pienaar should have been taken off...and Moyes failed to do this.. I seem to be missing the relevance of this article... But then again, we drew...so criticism of any kind is clearly a sin in the eyes of some people...
Paul Sullivan, I?ll remember that technique... saying someone is wrong, automatically makes them wrong. Nice one.
The fact is that some people do not stand for debate on such issues. So far I've been called a red shite, a moan etc etc. It's a shortcut past thinking.
I am simply saying, that in my opinion, Pienaar should have been taken off...and Moyes failed to do this.. I seem to be missing the relevance of this article... But then again, we drew...so criticism of any kind is clearly a sin in the eyes of some people...
Paul Sullivan, I?ll remember that technique... saying someone is wrong, automatically makes them wrong. Nice one.
The fact is that some people do not stand for debate on such issues. So far I've been called a red shite, a moan etc etc. It's a shortcut past thinking.
Ciaran ? you may think people are having a go at you but you seriously do come accross as one of the most negative people on here continuosly.
So genuine question to you ? what change would you have made with the options that were on the bench?
So genuine question to you ? what change would you have made with the options that were on the bench?
Ciaran,
We all watched it mate, we seen Pienaar lose possession a few times, we seen Anichebe go down easily.... and what? Surely, you can see the point being made? The bench last night was aweful, it was kids and Shandy. Moyes did the right thing in sticking with the same side because his back up options were not good enough.
I could understand your point if Yobo etc was on the bench but they weren?t. Pienaar, even when not at his best, is a million times better than Kissock and Shandy for fuck's sake!!!! I actually thought he played well over all, as did big Vic.
Lets just enjoy it instead of this pointless bickering!
We all watched it mate, we seen Pienaar lose possession a few times, we seen Anichebe go down easily.... and what? Surely, you can see the point being made? The bench last night was aweful, it was kids and Shandy. Moyes did the right thing in sticking with the same side because his back up options were not good enough.
I could understand your point if Yobo etc was on the bench but they weren?t. Pienaar, even when not at his best, is a million times better than Kissock and Shandy for fuck's sake!!!! I actually thought he played well over all, as did big Vic.
Lets just enjoy it instead of this pointless bickering!
It is quite funny that the last two biggest threads have been ones of "non substitutions" when we have went on to win a game and draw against the team who are joint top of the league and have only been beaten once all season.
Benn,
I simply don?t agree with the sentiment of leaving players on the pitch no matter how atrocious they are playing...
The fact is that you have no idea how VDM or anyone else replacing Pienaar would have fared... and neither do I...
All we do know is that he was giving away possession at every opportunity... and has done for several games now.
Now feel free to present an argument for keeping underperforming players on the pitch... but don?t try and validate it on the basis of soothsaying.
I simply don?t agree with the sentiment of leaving players on the pitch no matter how atrocious they are playing...
The fact is that you have no idea how VDM or anyone else replacing Pienaar would have fared... and neither do I...
All we do know is that he was giving away possession at every opportunity... and has done for several games now.
Now feel free to present an argument for keeping underperforming players on the pitch... but don?t try and validate it on the basis of soothsaying.
Brian,
Using that logic, we should never make any substitutions..... just in case the player taken off may have contributed something, however tenuous, to a goal.
That?s a tad ludicrous for me.
Using that logic, we should never make any substitutions..... just in case the player taken off may have contributed something, however tenuous, to a goal.
That?s a tad ludicrous for me.
Anyone remember the last time Shandy came on in the derby? Hasn't exactly improved since has he! I think the difference for Moyes might have been that we actually looked capable of equalising which has been notably absent in other recent derbies. Well done DM, the players and our supporters, fantastic all round effort, even more excited about Sunday now.
Ciaran,
You say I?m wrong, I (and everyone else) say you?re wrong. It?s called debate. If you don?t want people to respond to you then why post your opinion on a message board? Maybe you should set up your own board where you can post comments in agreement with yourself. Or go on the LFC board and join in with them.
You say I?m wrong, I (and everyone else) say you?re wrong. It?s called debate. If you don?t want people to respond to you then why post your opinion on a message board? Maybe you should set up your own board where you can post comments in agreement with yourself. Or go on the LFC board and join in with them.
We battled well, created one or two chances, scored a deserved goal and generally made them feel very uncomfortable in the conditions. If we had not scored that late goal, I would still had said that we did well under the circumstances against the megamillion pound team we faced.
To say that we were great is a bit too much. We still give the ball away far too easy and one or two players need to stay on their feet a bit more instead of going down under light challenges and looking for fouls. I would love to see us playing fluent footy but I am realistic enough to know that isn?t gonna happen every week but in the meantime I hope we continue our spirited way and pick up some more points from the Arse and the Mancs.
Ciaran,
Well all this is then is a case of what if?s and shoulda woulda coulda?s! The fact of the matter remains, Moyes chose to keep faith with the side and was rewarded with it. So dont worry, be happy!
Shandy may well have come on and scored a screamer, in the same alcohol stenched breath, he might have staggered around the pitch bladdered and give the ball away more than Pienaar.... it doesn?t matter now, we?ll never know. The only thing that matters is the result and what Moyes done, worked!!!
If the time ever comes when players are under performing and giving away the ball, the bench is crammed with the likes of Saha and Vaughan and the likes, Moyes chooses not to act and it back fires, I will agree 100% with what you're saying but last night, only a total dickhead would have changed things.
I don?t need to justify why, the result does that for me.
Well all this is then is a case of what if?s and shoulda woulda coulda?s! The fact of the matter remains, Moyes chose to keep faith with the side and was rewarded with it. So dont worry, be happy!
Shandy may well have come on and scored a screamer, in the same alcohol stenched breath, he might have staggered around the pitch bladdered and give the ball away more than Pienaar.... it doesn?t matter now, we?ll never know. The only thing that matters is the result and what Moyes done, worked!!!
If the time ever comes when players are under performing and giving away the ball, the bench is crammed with the likes of Saha and Vaughan and the likes, Moyes chooses not to act and it back fires, I will agree 100% with what you're saying but last night, only a total dickhead would have changed things.
I don?t need to justify why, the result does that for me.
Paul, That?s an even better approach to debate.... suggest everyone agrees with you, therefore you must be right. Nice one.
ps: I don?t recall stating that I didn?t want people to reply... so I don?t see what that rant was about... but then again you did have to fit in some spurious comment linking me with the other lot.
ps: I don?t recall stating that I didn?t want people to reply... so I don?t see what that rant was about... but then again you did have to fit in some spurious comment linking me with the other lot.
Ciaran - On Setanta it said yesterday that Moyes has spent £35m net in 7 years. That?s £5m a year!!! Yesterday we went into the game without two players who cost the same as the rest of our squad combined.
We have no right to be competing where we are in the league or with teams who have cost 100?s of millions but we are because of one man ? Moyes.
He has brought in players for a pittance and turned them into the some of the best players in the league. He has instilled an unbelieveable spirit and desire into our squad, so much so that we have a great chance of finishing in the top 6 for the 4th time in 5 seasons, despite having the budget that some Championship teams can beat.
And yet you criticise him for not taking off Pienaar to replace him with a kid. I, and many others, thought Pienaar was one of our best players last night. Sure he was a little sloppy in possession but it was a 100 mph derby and so were a lot of players on both teams. Pienaar is absolutely vital to us, his workrate, he is always available for a pass, his tackle on Kuyt was brilliant ? could you count on a young kid tracking back like that? If you look back to the build up to our goal, Pienaar played a hugely significant part in that and yet you STILL criticise moyes for not making him.
Sorry mate, but you?re making yourself look silly here.
We have no right to be competing where we are in the league or with teams who have cost 100?s of millions but we are because of one man ? Moyes.
He has brought in players for a pittance and turned them into the some of the best players in the league. He has instilled an unbelieveable spirit and desire into our squad, so much so that we have a great chance of finishing in the top 6 for the 4th time in 5 seasons, despite having the budget that some Championship teams can beat.
And yet you criticise him for not taking off Pienaar to replace him with a kid. I, and many others, thought Pienaar was one of our best players last night. Sure he was a little sloppy in possession but it was a 100 mph derby and so were a lot of players on both teams. Pienaar is absolutely vital to us, his workrate, he is always available for a pass, his tackle on Kuyt was brilliant ? could you count on a young kid tracking back like that? If you look back to the build up to our goal, Pienaar played a hugely significant part in that and yet you STILL criticise moyes for not making him.
Sorry mate, but you?re making yourself look silly here.
Leighton Baines was immense last night - easily man of the match in my opinion. Hopefully now he has secured his place in the starting 11 with his best performance in a blue shirt yet.
On the whole just the sort of display by the blues that was required to lay to rest the ghosts of the last derby. (I still shudder at the thought of it.)
COYB!
On the whole just the sort of display by the blues that was required to lay to rest the ghosts of the last derby. (I still shudder at the thought of it.)
COYB!
Timmy was so gracious on the post-match interview. The questioner asked him about Liverpool and did it feel good to ruin their chances at the title, and he said he didn't care about them at all. He just cared about Everton and the fans and the result that Everton had just gotten. He can stay here forever. He scores big goals.
Hey, Ciaran, please, I?m begging you. Stop watching. You must lead a miserable life if you cannot find joy in that match last night. We have a first 11 that costs as much as ONE of their players and we played them off the park.
Hey, Ciaran, please, I?m begging you. Stop watching. You must lead a miserable life if you cannot find joy in that match last night. We have a first 11 that costs as much as ONE of their players and we played them off the park.
Robbie Keane... £20 million... did he play last night? Baines was wearing a lump underneath his eye at the end of the match, what a save he made on Kuyt. Big Vic was robbed by their ?keeper on a great spin move in the first 30 seconds. He also could have won a penalty towards the end. Pienaar was good not great, but there was NO ONE on the bench who was better than the players we put on the pitch for the entire 92 minutes.
Ciaran, you got to smile once in a while or else you going to go end up miserable. So, the result went our way, but not your way, Ciaran. You would have rather lost 1-0 , so you could come on here and blast the manager. But, Timmy snuck in the tieing goal. A great result.
Benn,
I can asure you mate I am well happy... I just would?ve thought there was still room for debate on the tactics... obviously not.
I apologise profusely to all those I have offended with my mindless need to want the best for Everton... I am of course a red shite for such an approach.
Apologies again.
I can asure you mate I am well happy... I just would?ve thought there was still room for debate on the tactics... obviously not.
I apologise profusely to all those I have offended with my mindless need to want the best for Everton... I am of course a red shite for such an approach.
Apologies again.
Clyde,
Missing the point...as usual.
Missing the point...as usual.
Here I am today, made up at how we played last night, especially with so few regular players available. Thought I?d check out ToffeeWeb and what do I find? A raging debate about whether Anichebe should have been subbed!!!!! Even though he ran his socks off and won us the free kick from which we scored.
Some people need to lighten up. Have you forgotten that we all follow EFC for moments like that goal and performances like that to make you proud? Just enjoy the moment and look forward to Sunday without all this silly point scoring.
Some people need to lighten up. Have you forgotten that we all follow EFC for moments like that goal and performances like that to make you proud? Just enjoy the moment and look forward to Sunday without all this silly point scoring.
Well done to the lads last night. Battled to the end, defended superbly. Totally deserved the point.
The missing thing that is required for Sunday is a bit more creativity further up the pitch.
My suggestion is Shandy coming in for Anichebe.
"...and we played them off the park."
No we didn?t.
No we didn?t.
Ciaran,
Apology accepted now fuck off to the redandwhitekop site.
Only messing Kidda. Hehehehe just a bit of fun.
This whole site is about debate and I take your points onboard but you have to see our aguments as well.
Oh, and calling people Red Shite?s, who contribute on this site regularly, is a bit childish chaps.
Whatever next, Tony Marsh on the front of the Echo in a loving embrace with Moyes? Er, No!
Apology accepted now fuck off to the redandwhitekop site.
Only messing Kidda. Hehehehe just a bit of fun.
This whole site is about debate and I take your points onboard but you have to see our aguments as well.
Oh, and calling people Red Shite?s, who contribute on this site regularly, is a bit childish chaps.
Whatever next, Tony Marsh on the front of the Echo in a loving embrace with Moyes? Er, No!
@ Ciaran McGlone,
I will give you this mate, you are consistent, you always spout a load of bollocks.
We have drawn with Man U, Chelsea, and now matched the shite on their own ground. We have our most important players either on the treatment bench or suspended. Mind you, I reckon we should be beating these sides no problem. They have only spent hundreds of millions, what’s the problem?
I will give you this mate, you are consistent, you always spout a load of bollocks.
We have drawn with Man U, Chelsea, and now matched the shite on their own ground. We have our most important players either on the treatment bench or suspended. Mind you, I reckon we should be beating these sides no problem. They have only spent hundreds of millions, what’s the problem?
Quite clearly a different manager than Moyes would have won us the league by now and spent less money, whilst using all our subs every game - Moyes out!?!?!?!?!
He’s not perfect but he will do me for now.
Come to think of it - who is perfect?
He’s not perfect but he will do me for now.
Come to think of it - who is perfect?
Kevin, Is that the height of your ambition?
If so, get out the bunting and break open the champagne.
If so, get out the bunting and break open the champagne.
Peter,
Me, I am mate.
And anyone else who has the sense to support our great club.
Maybe I?m special and not perfect?
Me, I am mate.
And anyone else who has the sense to support our great club.
Maybe I?m special and not perfect?
Ciaran...
I?m as blue as they come and I thought Peanuts was average and Big vic looked like a sideboard... don't let the tree hugging fannies get you down lad...
Rest of the boys did the shirt proud by the way.
I?m as blue as they come and I thought Peanuts was average and Big vic looked like a sideboard... don't let the tree hugging fannies get you down lad...
Rest of the boys did the shirt proud by the way.
All right... I?ve missed the point. Ciaran, you be the manager... Gerrard has just scored a marvelous goal, going left when he SHOULD have shot to his right. We?ve played 70 minutes... go ahead be the manager make your subs.... what are you going to do? If it?s tactics you want to discuss, let?s discuss them.... Firstly, why did the guy with all the kidney stones take off BOTH his strikers????
Indeed Tony,
I reserve special praise for my man Hibbert, who seems to have taken some kind of goat soup voodoo potion to help with his crossing ? which was excellent..
And Baines ? who has been criticised on here for ?not being able to defend ? at least three last ditch stops from Bainesy last night should put this garbage to bed.
I reserve special praise for my man Hibbert, who seems to have taken some kind of goat soup voodoo potion to help with his crossing ? which was excellent..
And Baines ? who has been criticised on here for ?not being able to defend ? at least three last ditch stops from Bainesy last night should put this garbage to bed.
Clyde,
If you seriously came to the conclusion that I wanted us to lose last night ? on the basis that I think Pienaar should have been subbed at half time ? then your as deluded as they come...
That's the level of your post earlier...unmitigated nonsense.
If you seriously came to the conclusion that I wanted us to lose last night ? on the basis that I think Pienaar should have been subbed at half time ? then your as deluded as they come...
That's the level of your post earlier...unmitigated nonsense.
Bickering aside. It was a good result but we need an improvement if we are to win on Sunday. I think they are weak down the left, Riera is slow and not defensively minded and Aurelio is a weak point. I?m also not convinced by Reina, Hyppia or Skrtel who looked rattled by Cahill and Vic. I don?t think they will play 2 up front again though, as Keen was worse than bad, so they will probably have Lucas in the middle which I think will do us another favour as he is crap.
For me, the key last night was that we didn't just park the bus, we got forward, and put them under a bit of pressure particularly Hibbert, Baines, Pienaar. The delivery needs to be a bit better and Vic needs to be in the middle, on the end of crosses rather than delivering them (although he did well crossing for Cahill?s chance).
I think we need a bit more belief when we get near their box. There were several times last night when I was screaming at Osman & Arteta to have a shot but they elected to take another touch or square it wide. I don?t think we have anything on the bench so it?s more about tweaking the tactics slightly and giving the players a bit more confidence to shoot, deliver with quality from wide and retain the ball under pressure.
It?ll be tough, Liverpool were poor last night but as long as we play with our heads a bit more and don?t get caught up in the frenzied atmosphere (Neville was guilty of this last night and a harsher ref would?ve booked him in the 1st minute) we?re in with a chance cos the pressure?s on them even more now.
I remember the Man City game - thinking Moyes should take Cahill off cuz he looked knackered...
Last night I remember thinking I hope he doesn’t change a thing and we just start to press them further up the field. I got one right!
Moyes will do for me also. He makes mistakes but learns from ’most’ of them. What he has given the squad though is a spirit that I don’t think can be bettered in the league. Turned us round again hasn’t he...
Last night I remember thinking I hope he doesn’t change a thing and we just start to press them further up the field. I got one right!
Moyes will do for me also. He makes mistakes but learns from ’most’ of them. What he has given the squad though is a spirit that I don’t think can be bettered in the league. Turned us round again hasn’t he...
"He makes mistakes but learns from ?most? of them."
Discuss.
Discuss.
Unlike you Ciaran who learns from none of your mistakes.
Discuss!!
Discuss!!
Paul Sullivan...
Don?t delude yourself...
Moyes will set up like he does with every away match .. i.e not to lose...
He would snatch your hand off if you offered him a replay...
Winning at Anfield is about 100 light years from his tactical thinking... sad but true.
Don?t delude yourself...
Moyes will set up like he does with every away match .. i.e not to lose...
He would snatch your hand off if you offered him a replay...
Winning at Anfield is about 100 light years from his tactical thinking... sad but true.
Ciaran.... I have no idea why you won?t discuss tactics... name your subs, mate or go away. You have nothing to add here if you won?t discuss what you would have done. Who are you putting on in Peanut?s place? Cmon, I?m open to discuss things with you, but you don?t seem to like the fact that we tied the match without doing anything in the sub department.
Clyde
Gosling for Peanuts... I would also have man marked Gerrard with Pip Neville and reckon we would have then won the game... so in my opinion its 2 points dropped.
It's all about opinions, Clyde... and if you were any good with tactics you would be doing it for a fuckin living!!
Gosling for Peanuts... I would also have man marked Gerrard with Pip Neville and reckon we would have then won the game... so in my opinion its 2 points dropped.
It's all about opinions, Clyde... and if you were any good with tactics you would be doing it for a fuckin living!!
Tony, don?t worry, I?m not deluding myself, I think it?s foolish to go away to places like Anfield trying to play expansive football. I think the tactics last night were spot on, I just think we can have a bit more composure and belief on the ball.
Ask West Brom or Hull or Spurs or City where attacking in numbers home and away has got them. Not into the top 6. When we did play 4 in midfield earlier on in the season, picking the best players and fitting the system around them, it wasn?t exactly delivering the points, was it?
It might be boring but away from home a draw is a good result. We are in the top 3 on away form so the method is working. Moyes has turned around our leaky defence from the first half of the season, whether or not his hand was forced by Yobo?s injury, and that?s the main reason for our rise above the 12-strong relegation battle.
Clyde,
I was under the impression i?d been discussing tactics for the entire thread...
No need to cry your eyes out.
I would have taken Pienaar off and put either VDM or Gosling on at half time.
I was under the impression i?d been discussing tactics for the entire thread...
No need to cry your eyes out.
I would have taken Pienaar off and put either VDM or Gosling on at half time.
I thought Ciaran might be on here to sour last night... that’s 2 for 3.
Pienaar ran all night and had a great game - the only reason...(only) I might of took him off at one stage would be to protect him from a second yellow. Although I would of put VDM on - something different, pace and to get some crosses in their box.
I would like maybe for Ciaran to come up with a few names of possible replacements if Moyes went.
Pienaar ran all night and had a great game - the only reason...(only) I might of took him off at one stage would be to protect him from a second yellow. Although I would of put VDM on - something different, pace and to get some crosses in their box.
I would like maybe for Ciaran to come up with a few names of possible replacements if Moyes went.
errm Discuss!!
I?m not having a go with anyone, but Ciaran said he was discussing tactics the entire thread.... I just re read everything he wrote.... he ONLY says he would have taken Peanuts off at halftime... no named Sub either. And Tony, let me ask you...if you man-mark Gerrard, would Phil have man-marked him all the way to the opponents' 18? ? because after he scored that?s where he went back to...
Cmon, guys, give us all a break... Gosling wasn?t ready for that match last night, and to throw him onto a scoreless match at half-time would have been a losing proposition. And if you think we should have won the game, more power to you, but I think a draw last night was a good result and I came away very happy with the way we played them.
Cmon, guys, give us all a break... Gosling wasn?t ready for that match last night, and to throw him onto a scoreless match at half-time would have been a losing proposition. And if you think we should have won the game, more power to you, but I think a draw last night was a good result and I came away very happy with the way we played them.
There seems to be a fascination on this site with attributing opinions to people that they have never actually voiced..
Yes Ped...I will of course offer alternatives to Moyes....just as soon as you show me how you reasonably came to the conclusion that I want Moyes out...
Fire away.
Yes Ped...I will of course offer alternatives to Moyes....just as soon as you show me how you reasonably came to the conclusion that I want Moyes out...
Fire away.
Yawn.
Anyone want to talk about football instead of swinging handbags?
Anyone want to talk about football instead of swinging handbags?
Seems to be a bit of a "Bitch" hunt on here Ciaran lad, take no notice most of them have never kicked a fuckin ball.
Ped Pearl is that your real name ?
I thought nicknames were a no go on here now
Ped Pearl is that your real name ?
I thought nicknames were a no go on here now
A good debate on here lads but If I were Davey now I would be sat down with the lads today at Finch Farm and watching the DVD over and over again.
I would have a little chat with Vic after his protesting at one end meant we all stood still whilst Gerrard had a 30 yard of space around him.
I would look at why we had all the defence over the the right of the pitch and Bainsey had not pushed across one, where he would have been right in front of Gerrard.
You move the line across to where the most immediate danger is and he should have walked right.
I would be looking at how we cvan give Mikey some more time and space and how Phil could do that for him.
I would also look at Leon and why he was out of the game a fair bit, where he could sit and where he could create space.
The team will be the same, after a good sauna, massage and rub down, we would be back out on the training pitch recreating the above scenarios.
COYB Sunday
I would have a little chat with Vic after his protesting at one end meant we all stood still whilst Gerrard had a 30 yard of space around him.
I would look at why we had all the defence over the the right of the pitch and Bainsey had not pushed across one, where he would have been right in front of Gerrard.
You move the line across to where the most immediate danger is and he should have walked right.
I would be looking at how we cvan give Mikey some more time and space and how Phil could do that for him.
I would also look at Leon and why he was out of the game a fair bit, where he could sit and where he could create space.
The team will be the same, after a good sauna, massage and rub down, we would be back out on the training pitch recreating the above scenarios.
COYB Sunday
I mostly agree Andrew. Plenty of positives and plenty to work on. That’s the name of the game when you can’t fill the bench with 40million worth of experimental signings.
I will say that the RS overplayed us to the right side and shut off the ball to Baines, never fearing that Hibbo could do much with it. If the roles were switched, wouldn’t the boards be lit up if OUR manager had taken his two strikers off in a 1-0 match instead of going for the killer second? That second goal was out there for the RS, and why they let us back into it is the most telling aspect of the match last night. We went looking for free kicks, and got the one we wanted. Now, let’s do it one better on Sunday. Win it outright.
They let us back in the game cos their manager has spent big on players who aren’t good enough. He brought on Lucas, Benayoun and Babel and then they lost the game. Keane had also been useless so there’s about 40m worth of bad management. I think Rafa is great, imagine what a decent manager would have done with all that money.
Back to us I hope we back ourselves more in the final 3rd and push mikel forward more. That’ll be difficult cos I’m sure they’ll revert to their 5man midfield on Sunday. COYB
Back to us I hope we back ourselves more in the final 3rd and push mikel forward more. That’ll be difficult cos I’m sure they’ll revert to their 5man midfield on Sunday. COYB
Too many dodgy comments on here,to know where to begin.......
But as Steve Lyth says,the Team picked itself:
and with 20 or 15 to go Davy should have had the Bench warmed up,and ready to go.
Its a game of 14 now,not 11.
Even if you only use them to waste time ,or give an appearance to a youngster.
However,saying that,if Vic had been subbed,we would never have got that Free Kick for Timmy,s goal;so I,m back where I started.We Love Moyesy;but he,s got to use the Subs.Shit or Bust.
But as Steve Lyth says,the Team picked itself:
and with 20 or 15 to go Davy should have had the Bench warmed up,and ready to go.
Its a game of 14 now,not 11.
Even if you only use them to waste time ,or give an appearance to a youngster.
However,saying that,if Vic had been subbed,we would never have got that Free Kick for Timmy,s goal;so I,m back where I started.We Love Moyesy;but he,s got to use the Subs.Shit or Bust.
Ciarán, I think we all get your point: there is definitely an argument that an underperforming player should be substituted.
However, the counter-argument is that you should keep your very best players on the pitch - even if they’re not having the best of times. Pienaar is undoubtedly one of the most gifted players at the club and Moyes made the decision that it was well worth keeping him on the pitch.
Your argument would perhaps be stronger if we had lost the game. As it it, Moyes’ decision paid off when the 11 players he kept faith with produced a number of flowing moves, eventually won a free-kick in a dangerous position and scored a goal.
And, despite your bizarre response, I never argued that you should never make substitutions. I simply said that it is the manager’s job to make the call as to whether a substitution will help his team or whether it will in fact hinder his team.
Moyes made his call. It paid off. It’s quite simple.
However, the counter-argument is that you should keep your very best players on the pitch - even if they’re not having the best of times. Pienaar is undoubtedly one of the most gifted players at the club and Moyes made the decision that it was well worth keeping him on the pitch.
Your argument would perhaps be stronger if we had lost the game. As it it, Moyes’ decision paid off when the 11 players he kept faith with produced a number of flowing moves, eventually won a free-kick in a dangerous position and scored a goal.
And, despite your bizarre response, I never argued that you should never make substitutions. I simply said that it is the manager’s job to make the call as to whether a substitution will help his team or whether it will in fact hinder his team.
Moyes made his call. It paid off. It’s quite simple.
Steve Lyth... cheeky bastard ? you telling me you aint heard of my trademark free-kicks?
Regards,
The Hon. David Edward Pearl
Regards,
The Hon. David Edward Pearl
3000 evertonians are worth 100 million liverpoodlians!
Well done lads, only a draw but we equalized so late that it must have felt to them like we'd won. I'm in agreement with many other on here that Screech being on the pitch would have given us a little something extra for them to worry about.
Anyway, (to the tune of THAT world cup song) I feel a song coming on...
He's cracking up,
He's cracking up,
Rafa's cracking up...
COYFB!
Er Ped...........No I haven,t mate sorry, to busy watching Mikels to pay any attention elsewhere :o )
Ciaran McGlone
If you write the garbage you do you should expect comments. From my point of view it would be much easier not to read your pearls of whinedom if you didn’t post them. Either way you are a whingebag and its fair comment for me to say so.
If you write the garbage you do you should expect comments. From my point of view it would be much easier not to read your pearls of whinedom if you didn’t post them. Either way you are a whingebag and its fair comment for me to say so.
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We go into Sunday, with the same eleven, barring any knocks, and if we can raise our game in one or two positions, we can get another good result. COYB.