Can anybody help me out or give me some infomation on what a typical day entails for our Chairman Bill Kenwright? What does he do with his time which is beneficial to Everton?

I can only think of things that he is NOT doing, such as looking for investment, or trying to buy us a new forward. Apart from spouting the occasional embarrasing comment, I can't see what he actually brings to the table, as it certainly isn't money or wisdom or even a sound strategic business plan, so what is the point of this useless inacapable little man?

Talk in the media today is of Arabs interested in Chelsea and Liverpool and how most other clubs are considering buying this or that player. What do we get from our boardroom? Fuck all. I know we have said all this before but the only thing he does manage to do, is to infuriate me on a regular basis. Yes his heart is in the right place but that is not enough.

Dont worry lads, Robert Elstone, the new CEO, has just been on Radio City talking about his permanent appointment. According to him, Everton are one of the biggest clubs in the world and have just had a record turnover last season. With all the tv rights and the Premier League money plus gate reciepts, we hit £76 million.

No need to worry then, we are rolling in it. One of the biggest clubs in the world... ha ha ha ? the shit Kenwright makes people say.

It does make you wonder doesn’t it!

However, Manchester City seem incapable of buying world class players even with their new found wealth.
Would we fare any better if we were given zillions to spend? I was hoping that City would be scouring around the Sky 4 and be looking to take players off them (not just Bridge / Wright Philips) but I think the more you look at it the more it appears that there is a cartel at work in the EPL.
The Sky 4 will change hands on a fairly regular basis , safe in the knowledge that they won’t be displaced by any nooveau riche upstarts.

Kenwright runs an international business. Most people kind of know that. What he actually brought to the table was a rescue from Peter Johnson when the club was going under. The queue of offers for the club at that time numbered, erm, 1.

When was the last time Everton finished top 7 for 5 years running?

All London clubs are attractive for the reason that they are in London. It?s seen by foreigners as the place to be, it?s sexy and the land is worth a lot, so the investment always stacks up. Again, most intelligent observers know this.

The whinging, whining, sarcasm and bile that finds its way onto this site is depressing. Life is hard enough without having to absorb a constant barrage of negative shite from you guys. Problem, problem, problem, problem... and on it goes. Whatever the post is about it gets turned around to Kenwright, Kirkby, bla bla fucking bla.

Sometimes life is just crap and you have to get on with it. We have NO RIGHT to anything and one day you whingers might wake up & realise. If life as an Evertonian is SO bad, why not take up supporting one of the many teams who do better than us every season. Now let me think, there are just 4 and 3 of them wear red.

Does it ever occur to you guys that it could actually be worse. Fuck, am I glad I never came across you miserable people in the darkest days of Walter and Johnson ? very wrist-splitting.

No doubt we?ll get beat 5-0 on Sunday, it will be all Osman?s fault (or Neville?s) and we can all go and slit our wrists afterwards.

I?m off out to drink with some people who make the most of things. One of my mates has advance primary progressive MS. He?s a Newcastle fan. And we have a laugh about it. Try it sometime.

Who gives a toss about the cowboys and arabs? FFS we are playing them in the cup this weekend. Just concentrate on supporting EVERTON.

Nice one, Alan.

BK may not have bottomless pockets but he has our interests at heart and if he acts rightly or wrongly he does try to get it right.
He also (as mentioned above) saved our ass at a time when we looked in real PROPER trouble.
They were dark dark days.

How quickly people forget.

Had we now been housed in the Kings Dock, the mega rich would be queueing up to buy us. That would've been our biggest selling asset. It?s the state of the ground and the issues that go with it which will sadly eventually fatally damage the great historical football club which is Everton.

Alan
I?m very sorry to hear about your pal... and yes, you are right, there are important issues and problems in the world other than BK/DK; however, as Evertonians on an extremely well run Everton website, we reserve the right to state our view even if you don't like it.

I personally cannot stand liars or being lied to ? that is my biggest beef with Kenwright. He tells lies to get what he wants and cons people in the process.

He has been "looking for investment 24/7" for the last 8 years FFS.

He told us to "watch this space" for all the players we were going to sign pre-season.

He told us "there is no alternative" to Kirkby.

He told us "there was no problem with Moyes signing his contract" at the end of last season.

He told LCC "The money for KD is ringfenced"

He hides when flak is flying and comes out to take a bow when it is going well.

This is why a lot of supporters have no time for him. Not because he has no money and has taken EFC to a record level of debt.

Not because a large majority of shareholders are so concerned with the way the CLUB (as opposed to the team) is being run they called an EGM.

And Evertonians are rightly concerned when DK is firmly on the agenda and the sale of the club under BK?s terms is clearly not.

This is really a pointless exercise.

Liverpool, one of the ?sky four? with a much bigger worldwide following and profile (sad, but true) may or not be in negotiations with Arab investors, but somehow this is taken as an opportunity to have another moan about Bill Kenwright and Co.

How does that work?

Quite apart from perceptions as to which is the bigger club or not, the RS will probably be in the CL and HAVE planning permission for a new stadium on Stanley Park, whereas we?re outside the Sky 4 and are scrabbling to get permission to be part of a development many of our fans are hostile to.

Now, which do you think a potential buyer would be less interested in?

It would be a brave investor who would put his money in now ? before we know the outcome of the Kirkby Inquiry. Likewise if BK was made an offer he?d be torn over whether to sell now, or wait to see if his investment has increased in value in the event Kirkby gets the go-ahead from the Govt Inspector?

Decisions, decisions... and, er, yes, there?s a global recession at the moment. "Watch this space" (don?t).

So here we have the usual nonsense about the only thing standing between Everton and a rich buyer is Kenwright?s incompetence / selfishness / lying / criminality.

Perhaps none of you noticed that Newcastle tried desperately to sell themselves recently ? and had to take themselves off the market because there were no buyers. And that the owners of Portsmouth and West Ham (to name but two) would love to sell but ? there are no buyers.

That there is a potential (maybe...) buyer for the likes of Liverpool is the same kind of fact as that there are still buyers for high-end luxury goods like Ferraris. There still are some very rich people in the world who like to flaunt prestigious baubles. Unfortunately that has nothing much to do with us. Thank God probably.

Everton has a decaying ground which needs replacing, a sizeable amount of debt, and is the less fashionable club in a relatively poor city... In the real world, these may be closer to the reasons why we have not been sold than that it is all Kenwright?s fault.

If Kirkby gets the red light and the money situation gets worse by the week, where will we be then?

I understand the criticism of Kenwright and his management team. Because, if we have just enjoyed a ?Golden? period (the last 4/5 years) on the field, what will happen if we are forced to sell our best players in the next few seasons and the attendances start to fall sharply?

We will still be stuck with Goodison, we will probably be in among the relegation places and therefore we will be even less attractive than we are now. That is why Kenwright is taking flak; if he was a striker he would score once every 20 games. He is the master of missed opportunities. If he worked as hard in raising ?real? money for the club as his players and staff do on the pitch, we would not be in the sad situation that we now find ourselves in.
When Tranmere Rovers v Everton is the ?Merseyside? Derby, will everyone keep telling us that at least Blue Bill saved us from agent Johnson?

John Taylor ? I take on board what you say about the Sky 4, City weren?t in it and they attracted 2 buyouts, you will say they have the stadium, Villa don?t and they are doing very well.

Alan Kirwin ? I appreciate that with the example of your friend, there is more to football. But we ALL have problems that life throws at us; I ? like so many others ? use this site for a bit of escapism, and to forget about the day-to-day crap.

Alan K. The reason why so many of our fans get angry and frustrated with BK is the constant stream of lies and mis-0information he projects to the fans via his Lackies or from his own mouth.

He is at it again today with Bullshit about us being one of the biggest clubs in the world and having record turnover last year. Why come out with such nonesense when the man can't find two bob to support his manager???

We are unable to find investors because BK still wants in when they buy him out ? and that's a fact. Would you let this Buffoon any where near your investments if you didn't have to?

If we are one of the world's biggest clubs with record turnover, then where is that money now?? You see, Alan, while Moyes and his team work like trojans in the league just to tread water, all this Muppet Kenwright can do is try to drag us off to Kirkby.

I don't have the answers to the cash flow problems we have at the club but I do know that one of the world's biggest clubs has got one of the country's most skint chairman.... Go figure that one out, mate.

I am no huge fan of BK but there is no doubt he is an Evertonian. Can he not be given at least some of the credit for the David Moyes "golden period" since he (a) appointed David Moyes; (b) supported David Moyes financially in team building as best as he was able to within his own and the club?s resources; and (c) he wishes this to continue, which is why the move to Kirkby is proposed.

I am sure like many of us his heart tells him to stay at Goodison but his heart says a move to a new ground is necessary and Kirkby is the only affordable and deliverable option. Would any of the moaners here sooner got back to the dark days of Peter Johnson? Careful what you wish for. Would you seriously rather be owned by Steve Ashley and Hicks/Gillett.

I?ve just heard on the news that the Arabs have denied making a bid to take over the RS but are merely negotiating a sponshorship deal.

Does that mean BK is ok now then? End of thread please... we?ve heard it all before.

Tony:

No probs with frustration. We all suffer from it. I was flat & on the verge of disinterest early part of this season with the shite we were turfing out week on week.

But...

You also suffer somewhat from the short memory syndrome (what if BK hadn?t stepped up after Johnson?). Now the real Kenwright haters will have their heads so far up their tradesman?s entrance that will actually believe there was a queue of Arab trillionaires just waiting to jump in, spend £500m on a new ground at Kings Dock and £500m on the team. Best team in Europe within 2 years.

But then reality bites in and it dawns that Kenwright was the only serious bidder and taker after Johnson. Have you read Walter Smith?s recent words about Everton and what was going on behind the scenes? We couldn?t keep up payments on players (remember Thomas Myhre), we were skint, fucked, discredited and, just to rub it in, doing shit on the field too.

Whatever you throw at Kenwright, as does Ciaran (do wish he?d cheer up) and others, I actually share some of it. Yes, he does seem to have fucked up on some things. But for Christ?s sake, he also took a punt on Moyes when he was still raw. Frankly, the idea that Kenwright has contributed nothing to our success in the last 6 years is just enimata.

I have no problem with criticism, constructive or destructive, but please, in context occasionally and not just turn every single fucking thread into a Kenwright hate-in. It really is the most boringly inane crap to have to scan through to find useful posts. That?s sad.

And there?s something else. I hinted at it in an earlier article I wrote about Hoffenheim who are top if the Bundesliga, despite being the same size as my current home town (Arundel in Sussex) of 3,000. Sure, they have had investment of almost £100m, but over 17 years and all of it for infrstructure, training ground, youth setup and finally a stadium.

I?m talking about what can be achieved on the pitch with the right management, tactics, philosophy and belief. Michael Kenrick has often pushed this argument about money not being important. It?s not irrelevant, but the performance of Hoffenheim (Bundesliga has biggest attendances & most goals of any Euro league) and latterly a certain Everton FC without a fucking recognised attacker, give weight to what can be achieved and hope.

Kenwright is far from perfect. But those Evertonians who cast him as the devil incarnate who just spends his time lying & dreaming are, to me, deeply sad fuckers who need to get a proper perspective on their life. Kenwright didn?t build Goodison, he inherited it. He never presented himself as the man who could solve it all and turn us into the new Real Madrid.

It?s quite simple. Would you rather be as we were with Johnson, doing shit on the pitch with Gazza & Ginola and shit off the pitch, or as we are now, regular top 6, some excellent players who are young, strong & valuable? Albeit skint as we?ve had to keep upping our salaries and transfer spend to compete.

Are we not competing now? The grass may be greener somewhere else. Or it just might be that all the animals have just pissed on it and it glistens in the sun.

I?m an Evertonian and a realist. I can forgive Kenwright for the Kings Dock (even though it broke my heart). Life moves on. But give me an Evertonian with the same feelings as I have any day, over some fucking Sheik Dabydedoda who has a personal wealth of £500bn. Then we?ll have the embarassment of watching Robert Elstone trip over to Milan to offer Kaka a weekly salary that?s more than our gate receipts and get told to up it & stop being stupid.

Whilst it might not seem it to some people, we are actually building something here. Sometimes money is tight, like now for instance, or have we all been asleep? But the trend is up. We will get there and when we do it will taste like honey, because we will have fucking earned it, not bought it.

Alan Kirwin,

Well said mate.

A-bloody-men, Alan, what a great read. Mr K may not be perfect, but giving Davie Moyes a chance when he did has got us on the up!!

I totally agree with you, I think we are building something here; yes, it is tight at the moment, but that will change if our results and league placings continue. If we keep chipping away at the so called big 4, our time will come, I?m convinced.

Alan K, why do so many of our fans revert back to the Johnson or Walter Smith eras when trying to conduct an arguement/debate? It's pathetic, it really is.

For starters, the game of football in a financial sense today might as well be a completely different sport form the days of Johno or Wally. The money pouring in to clubs these days is massive compared to the 90s so why try to compare?

It's estimated that a team who finishes 5th in this league receives over £40 million. Then there is gate reciepts and season ticket sales which at Everton is around £25/30 million. Additional TV revenues from Europe and cup runs etc add more to the pot. We sold McFadden and AJ last season, there's another £16 million. Where the fuck is this going because we have one of the lowest wage bills in the EPL?

Gross mis-management of funds... That's what needs addressing at this club. Defend BK all you want but please stop with the stupid comparisions with the 1990s ? the games moved on in a enormous way

As for the "where would we be now?" or "who would've taken over if not for BK???" ? Well that is a matter which is also moot because we will never know, will we. BK did take over and this is what we have got now. Not a pot to piss in because the pots been mislaid.

Alan Kirwin,

I?m, afraid its you who has the short memory. Just a few short weeks ago you were claiming Moyes had taken us as far as he could and you were screaming for Kenwright to get rid of him.

I laughed out loud when I read you listing the appointment of DM as one of Kenwright's "achievements".

I find it amazing that someone who until recently had persistently battered away at Moyes, would now get so upset at the "negativity" of the people who don't share his admiration of our chairman.

Are these posts only negative when you approve of the target?

We are so negative as Evertonians. The facts are Kenwright is running the club well and keeping us free from massive debt that will see us become a new Leeds. We have a highly ambitious manager in David Moyes who is not willing to bring in second-rate players.

Even though we are not blessed with mega money, we still continue to break our transfer record every season and bring in cheap but promising Championship players and loan players who have not fulfilled their potential at big european clubs and both become top-class players. With this strategy, we will be a top 4 club in two seasons time, despite Villa's and City's resurgence and money, because we already have an excellent top six team that has been built from scratch by David Moyes that could challenge for the top 4 this season. The only way is up.

COYB

Stop moaning, everyone knows we are skint, and we have been for as long as I can remember.

Oh and if my memory serves me correctly, we have broken our transfer record 3 times in the past few years!

Alan: Editor’s Query: "enimata". I can only find "enemata", a plethora of enemas... which fits the context loosely. Or did you have something else in mind?

Although I do LOVE reading Tony M?s posts (he IS a TRUE Blue), may I make one comment?

Financials are hard to decipher and the ins and outs of money and spreadsheets is beyond my education, and I?m sure it would take a forensic accountant to figure out the books of EFC.

So, let?s not simply add up the tranfers and the revenue from TV, and say this is how much money we have... there are so many things that go into the finances of football. Who knows? Maybe we invested in the RBS and rode that wave down. But, please, Tony, we don?t know enough to comment ont he finances of the club. Look at the RS owned by two Americans who loaded the club up with debt and can?t afford to pay for a new stadium.

I would hope that EFC is presented to a buyer as a ?value? play. You don?t have to pay $500 million for a club like the RS. You can buy a club with history. And with that club comes a decent support that a new stadium in Liverpool will only make bigger. That should be our goal. Find an owner looking for value, not an owner looking to buy a pig with lipstick on it. And red lipstick at that.

Can?t wait for Sunday. Blues need the first one in a bad way. I got a feeling that the much maligned Osman will take a pop from the right side of the area in front of the Kop.

The point of this post is simple: Invest or die.

Will the same posters who are happy with BK/DK please come back on when the squad is so threadbare again we cannot put a full teamsheet out for a match.

How long can we keep punching above our weight before the likes of Spurs, City, Newcastle and even West Ham (subject to not being thrown out the league) overtake us? Villa have already gone past us by steadily building a quality squad.

We missed our main opportunity pre-season but I fear if we do not get a new owner soon (doesn't have to be a rich arab, just someone with good business acumen and a few bob), then we will totally miss the boat.

For those who quote Newcastle?s inability to sell, would you want to buy an unstable club that has won nothing for over 50 years (and not much before that) for £350 million?

If Kenwright is such an international guru with theatre productions and such a true blue, why can't he market the club well and sell out for less and part company on relatively good terms ? rather than wait for the wind of time, which will surely come.

I find it amazing that people can really admire and praise Bill Kenwright. Look past the fact he brought Moyes in. NTL, Kings Dock, Fortress Sports Fund, Kirkby and the endless barage of lies that the man comes out with.

As mentioned above, the "watch this space" comment in the summer and we luckily got someone on the very last fucking minute, paid for by the way with Johnson and McFadden money.

I accept there are no investors queing up to buy EFC but it pisses me off when the likes of Hull have money to piss around and we have fuck all, even though we get propaganda about record profits, blah blah blah.

It's happened again.... how does every post seemingly drift into yet another debate on BK/KIrkby and how the media ignore us???

Can we please try amd get rid of our inferiority complex... it could be worse. We could be Newcastle!!!!!

For all the rants about angles, many things remain the sam: BK has only spent the money at the club that Sky has given him and, while other clubs have seen investment come and go, Everton was never for sale and only available as an investment on BK?s terms where no-one in their right mind would waste large amounts of cash for no controlling interest.

Now the cash-cow bubble has burst; we get there are no investors; yes, maybe there are none left at our level but there most certainly were when we missed the boat. Missing the boat seems to be the Everton way.

I blame Tony Hibbert :D

No, Sean, it could be much much worse... we could be Liverpool.

Sean McCarthy, WTF?.... You're talking out of your arse, mate ? see the original post who mentioned the media?

It's quite clever, really... I am sure if it wasn't for Kirkby it would focus people on Kenwright ? makes me think that maybe this is the plan. Maybe we should just focus on getting this liar out of our club.

Michael - I think the word you are looking for is... anathema!

Wow, Tony... "enimata" to "anathema"? Good association skills ? I clearly need to start thinking outside of the box!

Michael K - I stand corrected. Enemata it is :-)

Dave Wilson

People like you seem to take most satisfaction in either slagging off the club, usually Kenwright, or in thinking you?ve found reason to slag off a fellow contributor.

Your memory of my analysis of Moyes is simplistic and missing the point. I stand by everything I said in regard to Moyes based on events from end of last season up to Oct/Nov. His ditherings over his generous contract irritated me greatly. His demeanour and depression clearly affected the team and (this is the really weird bit, so get ready) it?s the team, performances and results which are far & away the most important thing to me.

You?ve clearly missed the nuance of this point. Despite the upturn in performances and results, some might argue return to normal service, I still have issues with David Moyes. But only a complete retard, or the world?s most stubborn man, would not acknowledge that now, and then, are not the same.

I never "screamed" for Moyes head. That is invention & bollocks. My analysis was measured, acknowledging his achievements, which ? compared to what came before over two decades ? are considerable, as well as his faults. I decided that his behaviour from May to October 2008 showed that he had crossed the Rubicon and was no longer one of us. That, and the abject performances on the field, led to an inescapable conclusion.

The debate about how much of his achievements are down to him, or in spite of him, remains. But he has, with Kenwright?s support, rebuilt this club?s position and pedigree and its image. Under Johnson & Smith we became a laughing stock. Nobody laughs at Everton anymore and many informed & experienced commentators regard the club as a model of efficiency, on and off the pitch.

So you keep on slagging off Kenwright, or anybody else for that matter. And keep on "laughing out loud" because you don?t actually get the point. I would suggest that you include some content or value in future postings to make it worthwhile, for you and us. But you may not get that either.

And in answer to your final question. Negative posts are the prerogative of any contributor. As indeed are positive ones (without being accused of being a club lackey, or a Kenwright acolyte or any other utter bollocks). If a contributor only makes negative posts and purports to turn every thread into exactly the same negative nonsense, then it becomes tediously boring, content-free "noise".

[Ed Note: Alan, in the interests of the Queen's English, a few more for you (already corrected above!): affected, not effected; acolyte, not accolyte; lackey, not lacky; prerogative, not perogative (I admit I didn't get that one until years after Grammar School!)... Does English suck or what???]

Alan Kirwin, I don't slag Kenwright off ? you're confusing me with someone else,
I dont post anything anti-Everton, although I constantly take issue with people who slag our players.

Stop talking shite man, you?ve already shown yourself up with your about turn on Moyes, you most definitely were screaming for his head... read your own article.

I hear that the Arabs have pulled out of the deal. I also believe that the Americans have to find £650m by the summer to pay off the Royal Bank of Scotland. Now I hear on the Andrew Marr show this morning that the government pretty much are going to take over the RBS as their shares are worth about 10p.

So is it right to assume that by the time the season is over, that the RS will owe us tax payers this money back. I wonder how many football supporters across the country will be happy to be financing the competition. Is this not a conflict of interest and as the electorate, should we not be petitioning our MP’s to collect this debt even if they have to sell all their players, their ground and any assets they own to pay back all us tax payers.

Or am I talking abosolute "driville" as I’m getting wound up before kick off this afternoon.

I hear that the Arabs have pulled out of the deal. I also believe that the Americans have to find £650m by the summer to pay off the Royal Bank of Scotland. Now I hear on the Andrew Marr show this morning that the government pretty much are going to take over the RBS as their shares are worth about 10p.

So is it right to assume that by the time the season is over, that the RS will owe us tax payers this money back. I wonder how many football supporters across the country will be happy to be financing the competition. Is this not a conflict of interest and as the electorate, should we not be petitioning our MP’s to collect this debt even if they have to sell all their players, their ground and any assets they own to pay back all us tax payers.

Or am I talking abosolute "driville" as I’m getting wound up before kick off this afternoon.