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The Bitter Merseyside Derby
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There's nothing particularly new here that hasn't been stated in other posts but I just wanted to look at things from a slightly different angle.
Regarding relationships between the two sets of fans, things have deteriorated over the years and I for one can't stand the majority of kopite bullshit. It's not friendly banter anymore, it's snidey, bitter and nasty at the best of times.
After Sunday's game, I just feel strongly that this is inflamed by comments such as those made by the Liverpool manager. In the past he's aimed a back-handed swipe at EFC as a small club.
The comments coming out of the mouths of some LFC supporters and their very limited manager regarding Everton's tactics on Sunday were nothing short of hypocrisy (as usual) ? especially as these same tactics have been employed by LFC in Europe. He's recently had a go at Ferguson, the United manager, which again struck me as hypocritical.
There's a complete lack of class with Benitez (even worse than Houllier) and I think he adds to the deteriorating relations between the two sets of fans. He's clearly riled by EFC as he wasn't as clever as David Moyes in turning strategy to successful tactics ? despite the gulf in investment between the two clubs.
He clearly thinks the reds have a God-given right to silverware, possibly because they've paid for it ? but someone needs to tell him that it's tough luck if the opposition doesn't just roll over and die. (For the record, I also felt the same way about Wenger when he made a similarly arrogant statement regarding the Spurs defence a few years ago).
If we employ the same tactics e against Man Utd on Sunday and get a result, does anyone think the FSW will be complaining then? He's a classless, arrogant moron of a man. A true kopite, you could say.
Mike Hughes, Posted 26/01/2009 at 10:16:23
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Moyes got the tactics right on the day and with the team he was able to put out. Take their three best players out of the equation as we had to do with Arteta, Yak and Screech and see how his wonderfully expensive performing mercenaries would react. Spurs away in the League Cup is your answer.
Looking at the team put out on Sunday, that whole team cost less than Keane?s transfer fee never mind Ladyboy Torres. Incidentally, given the stick Gerard had to endure, hats off to him for the way he played, he in mind was a close third for man of the match behind Jags and Lescott.
He has a poor memory, when they beat Chelsea at the Bridge, 1-0 ? something they have not done for years, they did what he is accusing us of doing, and that is defending in depth.
After his rather foolish attempt to ridicule Sir Alex, they have not won a match. Keep it up fat boy.
he?s really lost the plot
they were sittin on the top
but now they?ve been knocked off ........
Gotta laugh at them eh !
I?m starting to suspect that Benitez loses large amounts of money at cards, he seems to be unable to stop himself revealing what?s getting under his skin. It should be music to the ears of Moyes and Alex Ferguson.
They honestly believe that the label ?Champions? only applies to them and them alone. Please god let it be a long long time in fact make that never before they are crowned champions of England.
The longer it goes the more bitter and twisted and ridiculous they appear. If it wasn?t for the constant media affection for them, they would be under even more scrutiny. Unfortunately they will get both new investors and a new manager before the start of next season. So let?s enjoy the FSW?s remarks for the remainder of the season.
Team talk for the replay: just play FSW comments and off we go.
When an oppossing "TOP 4" manager praises you it means they have just collected another 3 points off you and you did not dare to upset them. Lets not get carried away and go at them at Goodison, it is the only time that they look dangerous. Let's defend deep and attack them at the right time like the Monday night game but hopefully Felli doing more damage than Ossie/Vic.
You have to respect Davey for keeping his cool and making the remark that at Everton have dignity and class. Just so the right remark to make and how very true.
I think Beneathus is quality viewing when he starts his griping. Just sit back and enjoy. It's a compliment towards us that he is moaning again. It's great fun watching Rafa's meltdown and it only reinforces my belief that once a player or manager joins the shite they instantly become a Gobshite... Carry On Griping, Rafa.
HOWEVER, can we have some of the dignity DM was talking about and stop with this stereotyping waiter business. It's like someone calling you a Scouse robber, or a Chinese chippy-owner.
Snide, bitter, tactically inept, money wasting, ranting, arrogant, nonsense-spouting shitehawk is plenty...
On the face of it, negative tactics by Moyes or not, a draw at their arena is a great result; alright they are better in just about every department, but it is right on the money that if trophies were handed out for hard work and endeavour then Everton would be top of the pile.
I was less than happy wih the subsequent draw, with all due respect to Doncaster, a home tie with Villa would not have been my choice, the recent defeat still rankles with me, and if we do overcome the RS again then we are going to have a job on our hands to reach the last eight.
Howard was at fault for the goal yesterday but redeemed himself with some great stops thereafter to keep us in it. I am looking forward to the replay but a tie at Goodison may favour them than it will us. Still in with a good chance to put right previous heartbreaks though. The Manchester United fixture has been moved to Saturday 30th because of the drawn game.
I don?t understand Norwegians anyway.
Fuck him. He was disgusting on the post match interview. His team played defensively Monday night and dropped two points, and then his squad can?t hit the net from 6 feet out and can?t penetrate with through balls. I hope we come out of the next two matches with something, and no injuries so we can bottle them up on that Wednesday night. We have class and dignity, and they have a completely faceless squad except for their captain. Why would you ever want to support a faceless team?
"We do things with a bit of dignity here at Everton"
I take it your now back on board and coz We?re on the march with Davey?s army....
WE SHALL NOT BE MOVED!!! COYFBB!!!
I was really disappointed when a young blue colleague who normally takes no shite from them, sat quiet all morning and when he went missing for what seemed like the longest dinner break in history, I thought he?d cracked and had had enough.
I needn?t have worried, he came back and as they tore into him he just stood up and without saying a word took his shirt off. You should have seen their faces when they read his tee shirt!
"We like to do things with Dignity at Everton".
I think we should go easy on him ? I want him to stay.
Secondly, I would welcome Benitez?s exit from LFC, as he is embittering me towards them in a way I do not like. I have always disliked Liverpool Football Club ? they are, after all, an establishment which owes its origin and existence to the fact that they did not and do not want to be what we are-but I do not want to hate them with the loathing bitterness which the current climate, which has been stoked by Benitez (and dealt with brilliant by our manager) is currently encouraging me to feel.
I would rather LFC didn?t exist and I love Everton, but let?s leave the bitterness to them and cheer on our team next Wednesday. How about giving the "Fat Spanish waiter" jibes a rest, and let him make a fool of himself on his own. He is not a bad Spanish loser ? just a bad loser. Like Wenger, like Ferguson, like many others. Gracias.
I’ve got a stitch, can’t stop laughing!!
God I hate that fat twat of a man... he?s got so little idea. After his widely slated negative tactical switches against us in the league, he tries to have a pop at us. On the plus side, refreshing to see us getting some credit in the media... expecialy after as lots of people rightly commented on Setanta?s absurdly Red tinted commentary leanings!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2009/01/moyes_masters_defensive_art.html
Please feel free to add your own descriptions to my list.
I confess given the choice between the two, I confess to admitting that I would prefer Man U than RS winning the league.
Thats a real hard thing to admit from a scouser, but you know, the RS don’t deserve to win anything and the attitude of the fans and the manager has given an edge to rivalry in the city.
The divide between our clubs is too great to give token support and so I withdraw it..
I support Everton FC and any team playing against Liverpool.
Quite apart from the stereotypical connotations (that have been mentioned here and in another thread) which are connected with calling Benitez a "fat Spanish waiter", it’s also an insult to Spanish waiters - as it insinuates that a typical Spanish waiter is arrogant and constantly slates the food and service of smaller restaurants.
The sheer amount of bile andn hatred emanating from these threads completely puts the phrase "we don’t care what the rs say" to shame.
As Paul said, Rafa’s making a big mug of himself all on his own, let’s just leave him to it and laugh along.
Quite apart from the stereotypical connotations (that have been mentioned here and in another thread) which are connected with calling Benitez a "fat Spanish waiter", it’s also an insult to Spanish waiters - as it insinuates that a typical Spanish waiter is arrogant and constantly slates the food and service of smaller restaurants.
The sheer amount of bile andn hatred emanating from these threads completely puts the phrase "we don’t care what the rs say" to shame.
As Paul said, Rafa’s making a big mug of himself all on his own, let’s just leave him to it and laugh along.
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Has anyone else noticed that he never gives praise to another team when Liverpool are defeated. He prefers to talk about how much "QUALITY" and possession his team had rather than admit they were beaten by the better team.