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As with most of us, I enjoyed Sunday?s FA cup match. On top of that, I really enjoyed Benitez?s rant about everything and everyone else to blame but him.

Anyway, I?ve had Monday off work and had to go to the library. Whilst there, I thought it would be a worthwhile use of my time to trawl through all of Monday?s papers and read the match reports. I?ve never done this on quite this scale before (must have gone through five papers) but one thing of note leapt off the various pages.

All the headlines were typical of the usual RS bias. Nothing at all unusual in that; we?ve all come to expect wonderfully inspiring pictures of Steven Gerrard celebrating a goal. However, if you actually read (most of) the actual reports under the headlines, they are much less subjective. Certainly not fair and plenty of toadying to Torres and Gerrard, but it?s almost as if the written media?s love affair of the RS may be beginning to wane. The difference between the headline and article underneath was quite staggering and much magnified by having gone through some many papers.

So what lesson had I learned at the end of the day? Probably that I have too much time on my hands if I?m going to waste a good two hours in a library...
Vince Hindson, London     Posted 26/01/2009 at 14:45:20

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Alan Kirwin
1   Posted 26/01/2009 at 17:59:05

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Vince

Today I read the Independent, Guardian, Telegraph and Times. All very fair, even generous to us. I think Henry Winter in the Telegraph (to many the best sports writer in Britain) has a particularly soft spot for us, or is at least appreciative of the full context in which games are played.

Populist shite will always pander to base instincts, or the Sky 4, doesn?t matter which paper it is. It?s not so apparent in the quality press. We have friends in the press, just need to know where to look. I always read these match reports online.
Andy Crooks
2   Posted 26/01/2009 at 18:07:35

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Tony Cascarrino and Rod Liddle have been quite generous to us in the press lately, both wrote pertinent and insightful articles. Motd have also been positive. Alan Green seems to have been more restrained also. The tide is turning and the quiet dignity of David Moyes stands in stark contrast to the ramblings of the over-rated, over-inflated, undignified, talentless, snide, whingeing, backstabbing Benitez.
Micky Norman
3   Posted 26/01/2009 at 18:27:41

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Was Robbie Keane in the library?
Dave Roberts
4   Posted 26/01/2009 at 18:25:52

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Andy Crooks,

"Over-rated, over-inflated, undignified, talentless, snide, whingeing, backstabbing Benitez!" Any chance of getting all that into a chant!?

Go on... write us one. I?ll write the tune!
Jip Foster
5   Posted 26/01/2009 at 18:54:22

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There’s a nice piece about Moyes on the bbc web site http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2009/01/moyes_masters_defensive_art.html
Ian Kearney
6   Posted 26/01/2009 at 19:19:00

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Alan Kirwin is correct, the Guardian always provides you with a match report. The gutter press, without fail when we play a ?big 4? team what is supposed to be a match report quickly turns into an article on whichever ?big 4? team we have played.

However, I still get the Mirror on a Saturday (almost only for Barry Mcguigan?s column) and David Maddock tends to be generous with us, Brian Reade however, is the most biased columnist in employment.
Kevin Tully
7   Posted 26/01/2009 at 19:18:40

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Vince, I always buy 4 or five papers at the weekend, paying special interest to the column inches each club receives.

I have often noted that even Championship teams will receive more coveradge than the Blues. It really pisses me off that some hacks can?t even be arsed to include our stat?s etc.

It is really galling to open a newspaper and if Spurs are beaten by Wigan, we are treated to numerous articles on droopy and his old pals act. I was even going to count the words on our match report against Hull, but we will never change the perception that we are not a glamourous club. Even when we were successful in th eighties, I remember the comments of "a team without stars" when we won the title FFS!!
Dave Wilson
8   Posted 26/01/2009 at 20:12:46

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We don't care what the red tops say.
Paul Joy
9   Posted 26/01/2009 at 20:05:36

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Got to agree with the view of Alan Kirwin. Henry Winter gave a very fair objective report on the game and also revealed his distaste for how Benitez has been acting.

In the same paper Patrick Barclay is also very objective and fair to our club. These are feature writers and have a real depth of knowledge in my view.

However, that is not normally the case with match reports in that paper we have regularly the least column space (eg vs Hull at home) than any other Premier League side. But on recent occasions we had less column space than 4 Championship matches.

Face it we are not media darlings are we. And nor do Granada have a major stake in our club!!
Alan Clarke
10   Posted 26/01/2009 at 20:10:11

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One of the red tops led with the headline "You’ve no class!" and showed a picture of Lescott celebrating his goal. That certainly wasn’t a pro-Liverpool headline.

Don’t be fooled into thinking the press are in any way pro-Everton, though. They are far more interested in the fact that the Fat Spanish Waiter is completely losing his bottle. Alan Green is still an utter gobshite.
Martin Cutler
11   Posted 26/01/2009 at 20:26:47

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We all hate Rafa the Fat Bastard... and anything associated with that bunch of wankers but I must admit at just how pathetic Rafa sounded after the game. I didn?t see the game (worst luck! Why can?t Fox Soccer cover the game... at least one of them!) but I saw the clip where Rafa said only one team played to win.

Well, even if he was correct in that stupid assumption then lets just look at that for a second shall we (and this is nothing new, we?ve all covered this one way or another) so Moyes came to defend and take the game to Goodison where his team and his home support would be that much stronger, not only did he defend so well that we fucking well scored first, not only did he defend so well that with there multi-million pound expensive squad they could only score when Howard made a booboo (not criticizing him so much, the following save after the goal was simply a brilliant save from out of nowhere) but that?s how they got their one and only goal.

Just like last Monday too ? only they scored first then. We soaked up all that pressure and our defense were magnificent....as per usual (start of season not counted of course!!).

So even if Rafa was right he was outsmarted by a younger, slimmer, British manager (chuckle) and his team was basically - if not outclassed ? at the very least matched perfectly..... two 1-1 draws shows no difference (so far) between the teams.... the difference being that we were far from full-strength, especially yesterday, and cost a mere fraction of their squad.

I hope we win the replay. For many reasons..... we deserve it, Moyes deserves it, we deserve it so we can knock LUCKY Villa out too, the fans deserve it ? especially those that provide that brilliant support (most weeks!) at the games.
And we also deserve it to we can tell THAT FAT BASTARD TO SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

COYB!!!

Robert Jones
12   Posted 26/01/2009 at 20:35:52

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Yeah I?m definitely a fan of Henry Winter, I don?t buy The Guardian very much but he writes every month in FourFourTwo and his articles are always honest and well written.
Mike Byrne
13   Posted 26/01/2009 at 21:10:52

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Martin
Get a slingbox and you can watch all the games. I live in Canada and we get most games on Setanta Canada, if not I watch them using a slingbox on my parents’ TV in Liverpool.
Andy Capener
14   Posted 26/01/2009 at 21:32:41

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@ Mike B
After being a season ticket holder for 19 years I?m off to Canada in the summer so am desperate to know how I can get to see as much of the boys as I possibly can in the future.
Simple question really - what the hell is a ?slingbox????
Robert Jones
15   Posted 26/01/2009 at 20:46:16

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Just saw this on the link above: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2009/01/moyes_masters_defensive_art.html

We’re not owned by the Moores still are we?
Tony Rice
16   Posted 26/01/2009 at 21:47:03

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Andy C, It's a Digital Cable Box. I live in British Columbia (Shaw Cable).... get a cable box and order Setanta Sports Canada. Between the three networks that broadcast EPL odds are you can watch our Blues play almost every week!
Andy Capener
17   Posted 26/01/2009 at 21:55:21

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Thanks Tony - the missus will be sooooo pleased.
Off to tell her right now - wish me luck !
Anthony Washington
18   Posted 26/01/2009 at 22:15:06

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Paul Joyce in the Express wrote a good match report, with his best bit being, "What did Rafa want? Everton to play 4-4-2 with kids???"
Dennis Stevens
19   Posted 26/01/2009 at 21:52:33

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I think it?s mainly a case of the press starting to turn on Benitez. After his recent outburst(s), I think they?re starting to smell blood.
Marco Bonfiglio
20   Posted 26/01/2009 at 22:27:27

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I know myself the perils of holding forth in a language that’s not your mother tongue, and I think El Camarero Gordo needs to bite his tongue once in a while. Ordinarily, someone at LFC would presumably take him to one side and suggest this, but with the shennanigans at Anfield at the moment, it’s obvious that he’s not listening to anybody. Consequently, the press are starting to scent blood in the water every time he opens his mouth.

And I say long may it continue. I can imagine the sinking hearts at Anfield every time they see him with a microphone in front of his face, and every tantrum casts him as a large, spoiled kid with an unfeasible goatee. David Moyes must have thought Christmas had come early after the game, and I can imagine Darth Ferg settling back into his armchair with a satanic chuckle.
Simon Thompson
21   Posted 26/01/2009 at 22:53:39

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just read the piece on the bbc website and soon of the comment, it clearly show how stupid the rs are!! one even sayin i?m glad we?re playin them at goodison park they might have a shot on goal in that game!! now i hope it not me bein stupid but didnt we score TWO goals against them in a week? i mean how the fuck did he think that happened if we didnt have a shot in them to games. i?m not one to usual moan, but i?m sorry them sad fucker across the park are gettin to me now!! thery?re so far up there own arse?s it untrue!! what we did in them two games with the option available to us was brilliant!!

it make me proud to be a blue. i was in a pub with man u fans for both games, they think it great that the fat spanish waiter is gettin wound up by a so called "small club" they think ferguson gonna eat him alive whenthe real mind games start!!

sorry bout the spelling and grammer, i?m dyslexia, hope it makes some sense!!
Keith Glazzard
22   Posted 26/01/2009 at 23:13:44

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For me, the important thing is that respected voices in the game have been giving us more credit for a couple of seasons now. Many media people are having confidence in us too. Their headline writers know nothing ? ignore them.

Marco ? I don?t know how multicultural Moyes is (Scots-English is hard enough) but he used the word ?dignity? in reponse to el gordo?s blubbering. A huge insult to my Spanish mates would be to be called ?un hombre sin dignidad? ? ?no serio? is bad enough. I suspect that without any tutoring, DM went straight to the heart of the matter, in any language.
Damian Scott
23   Posted 27/01/2009 at 12:26:47

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With regards to headlines, they are generally dreamed up by someone else, i.e. not the person who wrote the article...

A controversial headline will sell a paper and the red tops rely on this....
iain love
24   Posted 27/01/2009 at 13:40:25

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Watched the game with brother-in-law who’s a red, following day went through papers with him and asked for his thoughts , even he said that the way they went on about Lpl players esp Gerrard was unbelievable and WHAT did Rafa expect from Everton given the players available to him ?
As a red he says it always happens unless it’s another top 4 side players get more praise then they deserve, and the Argie was a disgrace.
Tony Waring
25   Posted 28/01/2009 at 09:48:37

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I wonder if EFC actually exists outside of our personal experience? This morning on Radio 5 the presenter Victoria Derbyshire ? who sounds as if she has Mersey blood in her veins ? reminded listeners that Radio 5 Live would be in Liverpool tonight for the football, no particular team mentioned not even Arsenal, whereas Chelsea were actually named. Is she a red or was it just an oversight ?

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