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Cash in on Joey?
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With the great understanding that Jags and Joleon have developed recently and the fact that with a settled defence that is playing really well, we have only conceded 2 in 8 we should not disturb things to accommodate a fit again Joey.
Our defensive options seem almost endless at present with Baines being a revelation at LB now he is getting a run, Gosling and Rodwell both look promising, Jacobsen (albeit an unknown quantity) is returning to fitness and Pip is still available to move into the RB position should he be needed. Still prefer him to Hibbo who for all his defensive qualities is incapable of finding a blue shirt once he has the ball.
Anyway I digress.
So with JoYo?s current deal running out in June 2010 should we cash in now? I think that the £6m - £8m we would get for him could be put to much better use elsewhere in the squad.
Steve Ashton, Posted 27/01/2009 at 09:06:39
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Similar article and the writer got slaughtered. However if only Moyes had sign Kamil Zayette who could have replaced Yobo for the long term, And we have sold Yobo for 8million
Similar article and the writer got slaughtered. However if only Moyes had sign Kamil Zayette who could have replaced Yobo for the long term, And we have sold Yobo for 8million
Agree with Ben I?m afraid. It?s a squad game and ours is small enough already, especially at centre-back.
We need a squad! Just because a player returning from injury in Yobo, isn?t in one squad doesn?t mean we should sell!!! We have few enough players as it is!!
Its a position that Everton have hardly ever been able to fill with any decent youngsters coming through. We cant afford to sell Yobo without replacing him. Baines sat quietly for a long time before getting in the team. Its now Yobo’s turn to do the same.
are u crazy??? yobo has been a rock over the last 5 years! albeit lescott and jagielka have been immense but my god yobo is quality!! it just shows how far this team has come that a player like Joseph Yobo cant get in the team!! so why sell him??
Jo Yo has done his stuff really well at Goodison for many years now, captain of Nigeria and our fastest defender. World-class except from the occational glitch in concentration.
Although he has not looked as majestetic this season as previous ones i still believe that Yobo is essential for Everton.
Just looking at the guys jumping ability tells me this is an athlete that has many good years still left in him.
The jury is in: NO SALE!
Although he has not looked as majestetic this season as previous ones i still believe that Yobo is essential for Everton.
Just looking at the guys jumping ability tells me this is an athlete that has many good years still left in him.
The jury is in: NO SALE!
OK so you don’t agree with me, but which of the three will be prepared to sit on the bench long term.
If you drop Lescott now chances are he would be off, you can’t drop Jags ’cos he is just playing out of his skin at the mo.
We look awful and totally unbalanced with Lescott at RB - plus I have never completely been convinced that JY is totally reliable - Bucharest etc.
Take the money.
If you drop Lescott now chances are he would be off, you can’t drop Jags ’cos he is just playing out of his skin at the mo.
We look awful and totally unbalanced with Lescott at RB - plus I have never completely been convinced that JY is totally reliable - Bucharest etc.
Take the money.
We’ve also done pretty well without Fellaini, Arteta, Yakubu, Saha, Vaughan and Jacobsen so we could flog some of them as well.
Micky - the players you mention all improve the team when they return, Jacobsen excepted perhaps.
At present I don’t think the man in question does.
At present I don’t think the man in question does.
Bill (short name?) got it spot on.
For christ’s sake, we have such a small squad that we can’t lose any of our best players. Have you ever heard of injuries, suspensions, loss of form...
Gosling & Rodwell are not defenders, and certainly not central defenders. We had 4, lost Stubbsy & now we are 3. You seriously suggesting we sell the only other recognised central defender we have (and an excellent one at that)?
What madness. Stop drinking whatever it is and behave yourself.
For christ’s sake, we have such a small squad that we can’t lose any of our best players. Have you ever heard of injuries, suspensions, loss of form...
Gosling & Rodwell are not defenders, and certainly not central defenders. We had 4, lost Stubbsy & now we are 3. You seriously suggesting we sell the only other recognised central defender we have (and an excellent one at that)?
What madness. Stop drinking whatever it is and behave yourself.
Steve, NO, NO, NO, NO. Are you mad? Its like MANURE saying we are doing O.K. so when RIOs fit sell him. Sometimes you guys make me shudder!
Yobo?s been too inconsistent when he? played the last couple of years, sudden lapses in concentration sort of thing. If he?ll fetch 8 million, I?d let him go.
And I don?t want to spoil people?s delusions, but all this talk about Everton?s small squad is surely nonsense, isn? t it? Everton have 29 in the squad, which is more than all but 5 teams ? City, Blackburn, Stoke, Sunderland, and Portsmouth. And based on how those 5 are doing, maybe a large squad isn?t the way to go.
And I don?t want to spoil people?s delusions, but all this talk about Everton?s small squad is surely nonsense, isn? t it? Everton have 29 in the squad, which is more than all but 5 teams ? City, Blackburn, Stoke, Sunderland, and Portsmouth. And based on how those 5 are doing, maybe a large squad isn?t the way to go.
You’re mis reading what I’m saying.
What we do with the money is an entirely different matter - if Joey becomes 3rd choice centre back he will be gone in 16 months time and for nothing.
I’m just advocating a bit of pragmatism - how much did Lescott cost or Jags for that matter, find another one of them and you still have £4m ish towards a similar type forward who can actually play more than 2 or 3 games without hitting the treatment table.
What we do with the money is an entirely different matter - if Joey becomes 3rd choice centre back he will be gone in 16 months time and for nothing.
I’m just advocating a bit of pragmatism - how much did Lescott cost or Jags for that matter, find another one of them and you still have £4m ish towards a similar type forward who can actually play more than 2 or 3 games without hitting the treatment table.
Steve, I can see where you’re coming from as a sale would release some much needed cash for Davey and Joey’s contract does expire in 2010 but I really think we need to have a minimum of 3 (preferably 4) top quality centre backs to cover this position in the event of injuries/suspensions/loss of form etc.
Without adeqaute cover we wouldn’t have a strong defence to fall back on and wouldn’t have managed the results we have so far during the current injury crisis.
Bill will have to find some money somewhere else and as long as Yobo signs a 2 year contract extension in the summer then we really have no reason to sell.
Without adeqaute cover we wouldn’t have a strong defence to fall back on and wouldn’t have managed the results we have so far during the current injury crisis.
Bill will have to find some money somewhere else and as long as Yobo signs a 2 year contract extension in the summer then we really have no reason to sell.
A daft idea.
Part of the reason our defence is playing so well now is because they all know that they have to fight for their place - Jags because of Yobo and Lescott both wanting his place, Lescott because he doesnt want to go back to LB, Baines because he wants to stay in the side and Hibbo.... well god knows whats up with him lately.
Part of the reason our defence is playing so well now is because they all know that they have to fight for their place - Jags because of Yobo and Lescott both wanting his place, Lescott because he doesnt want to go back to LB, Baines because he wants to stay in the side and Hibbo.... well god knows whats up with him lately.
Wasn’t the exact same thing said last month about Baines and now look at him you don’t sell someone if they don’t get in the team for 1 week
NO!
Moyes needs to use this as his oppurtunity to keep world class payers happy while NOT playing.
If we want to progress, we will need quality on the bench, and as Yobo is one of our longest serving members I think it would be made slightly easier. Good luck Moyes
Moyes needs to use this as his oppurtunity to keep world class payers happy while NOT playing.
If we want to progress, we will need quality on the bench, and as Yobo is one of our longest serving members I think it would be made slightly easier. Good luck Moyes
Moyes would simply not want to do this, certainly not now - end of season? Who knows? DM’s problem was keeping Lescott happy and involved with no good reason to drop Joe and, of course, he did a good job at LB.
Joe must know that he can have no complaints being on the bench while the back 4 are so sound - he’ll have to wait. And it only takes one knock or twist for his chance to come. He’s staying.
Joe must know that he can have no complaints being on the bench while the back 4 are so sound - he’ll have to wait. And it only takes one knock or twist for his chance to come. He’s staying.
willie, while you say we have a 29 man squad, tell me just how many of them would you trust 100% in games against the sky 4? firstly, many of them are youngsters with very little experience. secondly they’re fringe players e.g. AVDM and Castillo (who in my opinion is dire!) and lastly we have the injury prone mob aka saha and vaughan. now ask yourself how many of the small squads of portsmouth etc have these problems?
I don’t think the Jan window is the time to be selling valuable squad members, though I could see the logic in looking at the situation again in the summer. If there is a chance he would walk in 2010 for free then we should look to cash in, but I would wait until the summer when Moyes would have the time to look for a replacement.
We have three centre backs? Why would we get rid of one? It would be stupid to be honest. Rodwell have been moved to midfield and isn?t ready to play centre back.
Competition is key and where finally getting it at the back. With a possible Uefa Cup run next year there will be enough games to keep Yobo, Jagielka and Lescott happy.
Competition is key and where finally getting it at the back. With a possible Uefa Cup run next year there will be enough games to keep Yobo, Jagielka and Lescott happy.
We are one broken leg away from the Jag-Jo partnership being in tatters, so NO!
Seeing as Lescott is only one booking away from a suspension, Yobo will not be on the sidelines for long...
No way. We?d only have to spend a fortune to replace him. He may suffer from occasional lapses but he is generally top class ? and with our small squad, we need him. We?re only one yellow card away from him playing anyway.
You must be having a laugh !
Steve, I know its frustrating to not have any money to spend, but this is not the answer. Bookings are thrown about like confetti these days and not many defenders will survive the season without injury or suspension. We have six defenders ? I?m not counting our new right back just yet ? who can be shuffled about to overcome most set backs, we have to keep it that way.
As someone said earlier, its about competition.
The ideal scenario is to have players waiting in the wings who are not just capable of doing a job, but actually capable of raising the bar when they get back in, the guys in possession of the shirts know if they let there standards slip, Moyes has options. Yobo is playing a blinder just by being there.
As someone said earlier, its about competition.
The ideal scenario is to have players waiting in the wings who are not just capable of doing a job, but actually capable of raising the bar when they get back in, the guys in possession of the shirts know if they let there standards slip, Moyes has options. Yobo is playing a blinder just by being there.
Surfing the net it's claimed that Portsmouth are tying up a loan deal for Javier Saviola. Can this be true? How can any player in his right mind choose Pompey over Everton? Or could it be financial implications perhaps?
I am not a Yobo fan. I think he is an expendable asset. If we could sell him for £7-8 milliion, and bring in a striker for the same sort of money, I would do it. I fear that any aspirations we have this season might peter out if we have to rely on doing a backs to the wall job in every game. The lads have been great recently, I take my hat off to them, but surely we need to wheel and deal if we are to bring in an attacker?
It is a squad game nowadays. Yobo has to take his turn on the bench just like Baines has done recently and even Hibbert to an extent. The reason Yobo is on the bench now is because he was out and the team started performing well. You do not change a winning team.
The top 4 teams normally have at least a second XI as replacements. That means 2 centre backs in reserve. In reality we only have Yobo in reserve now. Rodwell seems to be considered a midfielder and the other defenders are full-backs.
I understand the contract situation as the club needs to address this NOW. If we wait until the summer then other clubs will realise that he only has a year left and start tapping him up ready for a free move the following summer.
If we did cash in on Yobo, we would need at least a replacement lined up and possibly one other player or put the rest of the money to the new stadium, debts, etc. Anyhow, I couldn’t see us getting £8m for Yobo, probably about £5m-£6m, then who do we get to replace?
Get the contract sorted now and keep him.
The top 4 teams normally have at least a second XI as replacements. That means 2 centre backs in reserve. In reality we only have Yobo in reserve now. Rodwell seems to be considered a midfielder and the other defenders are full-backs.
I understand the contract situation as the club needs to address this NOW. If we wait until the summer then other clubs will realise that he only has a year left and start tapping him up ready for a free move the following summer.
If we did cash in on Yobo, we would need at least a replacement lined up and possibly one other player or put the rest of the money to the new stadium, debts, etc. Anyhow, I couldn’t see us getting £8m for Yobo, probably about £5m-£6m, then who do we get to replace?
Get the contract sorted now and keep him.
Yobo should be restored to the defence as quickly as possible.This would allow Lescott to resume duties at left back and add much needed height to the defence and a real attacking threat on the left.
Unless we receive an offer then the question doesn?t arise, imo.
I think it was Harold Wilson who said "a week is long time in politics". Well, ninety minutes is an eternity in football, and knowing our luck, if Joseph were sold, you could guarantee that halfway through the next game Joleon or Phil would sustain a long-term injury.
It’s now a squad game, and Yobo is enough of a professional (and more importantly, enough of an Everton player) to know that he has to wait for that injury, or that dip in form, to get back on the pitch.
Baines, to his credit, waited his turn, and that’s now paying dividends. Yobo had a traumatic summer, with his brother’s kidnap et al, and I think he’ll benefit from the break. We’ll be glad of him come March.
It’s now a squad game, and Yobo is enough of a professional (and more importantly, enough of an Everton player) to know that he has to wait for that injury, or that dip in form, to get back on the pitch.
Baines, to his credit, waited his turn, and that’s now paying dividends. Yobo had a traumatic summer, with his brother’s kidnap et al, and I think he’ll benefit from the break. We’ll be glad of him come March.
Sorry, couldn?t disagree more.
So, a player?s out of the side for 5 minutes therefore we should cash his chips in?
Nonsense. Short-termism & blinkered thinking.
So, a player?s out of the side for 5 minutes therefore we should cash his chips in?
Nonsense. Short-termism & blinkered thinking.
If we want to compete at the top level we have to have class players competing for places throughout the team.
This is what we need, competition for key positions.
This is what we need, competition for key positions.
Same Bill as before under my full guise. I quite agree. What’s the obsession with wanting to sell anyone who isn’t in our first team. Baines was often touted as one to sell, but now he’s in the team everyone is raving about him as our best left back. It just shows you. You need a full squad. If anything we need to add a striker and right winger at a minimum. Whether we have the funds to do this is questionable.
Absolute madness. Even the suggestion bemuses me. We need a SQUAD that's a squad. How long are we going to get away with 18 first teamers and albeit interesting kids... Have people not seen the cumulative effect of losing Arteta on Sunday with no back up? It's called a bloody squad.... madness, this is Everton ? no?
It's all about opinions, mine? Well if someone comes in with a bid of £8m plus if Man City come in you could put another £2m on the price, I would cash in and get Berra for approx £2.5m with money left for other possible buys. I think it makes sense! Yes JoYo is a good defender but he does make mistakes that usually costs us a goal! Good article Steve. COYB!!!!
Seriously Steve, how did you get out of the East Wing without the doctors seeing you?
Our defence is ?almost? up to Premier League ?winning? class and you want to cripple us? Thank God you are not running this club.
Yobo is one of our vice captains, settled, hard working, a good role model with Moyes?s mentality. He loves the club and has expressed no desire to leave so why force him? Selling Yobo would interrupt the dressing again, forego competition, cover, rotation, youth development, etc?
We have three of the best central defenders in the country fighting to play for us, and as for Baines he is playing his arse off because he is tired of warming it on the bench. Yobo will do the same.
History has shown us that even without money we are not a small club! And if Sir Alex had our back line and this problem he would snore in his sleep! The January transfer market is crap and over-rated and you my friend are trigger happy.
Read my words... BAD IDEA!
Our defence is ?almost? up to Premier League ?winning? class and you want to cripple us? Thank God you are not running this club.
Yobo is one of our vice captains, settled, hard working, a good role model with Moyes?s mentality. He loves the club and has expressed no desire to leave so why force him? Selling Yobo would interrupt the dressing again, forego competition, cover, rotation, youth development, etc?
We have three of the best central defenders in the country fighting to play for us, and as for Baines he is playing his arse off because he is tired of warming it on the bench. Yobo will do the same.
History has shown us that even without money we are not a small club! And if Sir Alex had our back line and this problem he would snore in his sleep! The January transfer market is crap and over-rated and you my friend are trigger happy.
Read my words... BAD IDEA!
Unbelievable, we have three truly excellent centre-halves at the club and you reckon we should ?cash in? on one of them. If anything we should be looking to add another of similar quality (after the more pressing need for a striker has been addressed).
Tell me, what would happen if we sold Yobo, then Jagielka or Lescott or knowing our luck both were to get injured (god forbid).
Baines waited on the bench and now he?s getting his deserved run. If a player of Baines? quality can wait his turn then so can Yobo. The aim has to be to acquire enough quality players that the likes of Yobo have to sit on the bench until they get an opportunity. Sell Yobo? Utter madness, stop talking shit.
Tell me, what would happen if we sold Yobo, then Jagielka or Lescott or knowing our luck both were to get injured (god forbid).
Baines waited on the bench and now he?s getting his deserved run. If a player of Baines? quality can wait his turn then so can Yobo. The aim has to be to acquire enough quality players that the likes of Yobo have to sit on the bench until they get an opportunity. Sell Yobo? Utter madness, stop talking shit.
Hows this for an idea?
He might not like it though... Yobo as a super sub? We wanna defend a lead/shut down a game? He's a good player... and if a good bid comes in we probs could sell.. though I think Jagielka, Lescott and Baines is a real good defence with Hibbo/Nev at RB.
He might not like it though... Yobo as a super sub? We wanna defend a lead/shut down a game? He's a good player... and if a good bid comes in we probs could sell.. though I think Jagielka, Lescott and Baines is a real good defence with Hibbo/Nev at RB.
Paul Olsen hit the nail on the head about Joey. He has got pace. It would be a serious mistake to sell him.
What!
And have one less player than we have now?
Fuckin’ mad
And have one less player than we have now?
Fuckin’ mad
Let?s see if he will wait his turn on the bench. Jag & Les are doing well and Baines deserves to carry on his run. If Joey starts moaning then we can flog him in the summer but otherwise we need this kind of squad strength. It does give us the optuion of playing goal-machine Lescott as a makeshift target man mind you ;-)
Sorry I meant to say GOALeon Lescott
Steve, what would you do if Lescott and Jags both got injured?? If Baines got injured (Lescott moves to LB. You don?t just keep your 11 starting players, you actually have extra incase of injuries!!! And Joey is an excellent CB.
How about Yobo at defensive midfield? He has all the qualities to play there. That way Neville can move to RB and Hibbo (our only droppable defender) can make way.
"GOALeon Lescott "
Nice, has that one been used by the Sun yet??
Nice, has that one been used by the Sun yet??
Jo Yobo is at the top of his game now, his age and pace and his ability, only top money for him would be any chance of him going, £18 Million plus maybe or straight swap for R Keane. WATCH THIS SPACE... (Well, that's the whisper going round.)
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All the defenders you mention Steve are either full backs or midfielders. I know Rodwell played centre back in his youth, but Moyes seems to be playing him centre mid.
It’s just we only have 3 centre backs with prem experience, if we sell Yobo, we’ll have to buy a centreback to replace him, it’s as simple as that.
Imagine if Jags and Lescott got injured instead of Yakubu and Saha, we’d be in a lot more trouble. because at least we have 4 strikers and Cahill who can do a job there, in the squad and we only have 3 centre backs and maybe Rodwell (or maybe even Neville, i know he’s played there once for us) who can do a job there.
After all the rambling (I apologise), I just disagree, do not sell Yobo!