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I think David Moyes ought to take Rafa's criticisms on board and put out a positive attacking team on Saturday Against Man Utd ? with at least five or six Youth Team players with Carlo in goal and do a bit of squad rotation?
Could you imagine what Benitez would then say about our squad rotation policy? Dare he? That would be so funny to see... ok - we might get a bit of a hiding at Old Trafford but I would rather knock them out of the Cup than win the game at Man U given the choice between the two. I personally believe that the majority of our fans would feel the same way.
Seriously though, resting a few of our players would serve two purposes. It would give our key players much needed rest and would wind Mr Benitez up so much that after a subsequent Wednesday week Goodison defeat this may well be the straw that breaks the Waiter's back and he goes and does a Dalglish?. How funny would that be?
So, I am looking forward to a 4-3-3 formation at Old Trafford with an average age of 20 for the entire team and then a post match quote from Moyes that states: ?We came here with a positive line-up but we were out-classed by the best team we have played this season and, in my view, the favourites for the League having played all of the other suitors?? Oh, now that would be funny?.
Steve Callaghan, Posted 27/01/2009 at 14:12:25
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I thought that Moyes would sacrifice the cup for a better chance of three points against Arsenal, even if that meant losing to the Shite. (The Arteta injury is still a bit of a mystery.) But he?s still standing.
We now, at least, have the opposition thinking about us. Anyone for chess?
Why aren’t United beatable? They have an injury list worse than ours (ok, they have a bigger squad than ours!). With our current form and defensive capabilities and with Arteta and Fellaini back, we can beat Arsenal, then United, then Liverpool!
C O Y B !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The day I want Everton to lose a game just because of what any fan/employee of LFC would think or say about it is the day I pack it all in.
I want Everton to win every game they ever play in and so should you.
If you?re in anyway serious, you?re a knob.
I?m an Everton fan first before an anti-liverpool fan (tho I?m one of those too). And I don?t want us losing whilst we have something at stake.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/everton/4347608/Leaving-it-late-the-secret-to-Evertons-success.html
I know, I know, it?s an egregious Tory rag, but the stats are revealing.
The good thing is that once these kind od stats become public knowledge, opposition managers, players and fans start getting twitchy at the 80 minute mark.
Five to ten years ago, Everton were to football what Ireland were rugby ? everyone knew they could roll us over in the last ten minutes.
Not any more.
But seriously seeing that Heskey scored the only goal at Pompey, tomorrow's game against Arsenal is a must win.
I said Villa are having one of those seasons and who knows ? they may push our neighbours out of the top 2.
I wanna beat Man Utd. But if we beat MU, and Liverpool go on and win the league by 3 points (that MU lost to us), I think I’d die.
I’m a blue, but I bloody hate the reds (In my town, we call them Ziverfool).
In fact if I had the choice of us finishing 4th and the RS winning the league OR us finishing 6th and them not winning it, I?d take 6th every time! And anyone who thinks thats not a true Evertonian is either a kid or just does?nt despise them enough yet!
It would serve three purposes.
1. I’m resting senior players who have played nearly every minute of football for the club in the past 7 games.
2. I’m giving the youngsters a run out against the best team in the UK.
3. I’m increasing the chance of Rafa having a heart attack.
Nuff said.....
Rather than hand the title to Man U to stop the RS getting their hands on it, why not aim to finish above them? They are on the same points as Villa, who are not too far away in my opinion...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article2178763.ece
I prefer the times when Scouse supporters were praised for not having to be kept apart and travelling together in the same vehicles to Wembley. We have finished runners up to Liverpool for the first division title... when did that happen in Manchester?
No, I don't agree at all with the stupid bigoted sentiments of this article and think it shows about as much character as Benitez showed sour grapes with his quote. Be proud to be a ?BLUE? but also be proud of the city's football achievements!!!
Of the 20 clubs in the Prem I am sure that Manyoo are 19th to the shites 20th in our preference to win the league BUT I hate losing to anyone and would hate to think we set our stall out to sacrifice a game just to prepare for the next match!
I was seriously angry watching us fold to Arsenal the other year when we had qualified already and hope that Moyes is now above this sort of "small club" mentality.
I look at this quite logically... the Mancs are 30 miles up the East Lancs Road... we have to live with the shite (well some of us do). The thought of them winning the Premier League and us finishing 4th or 5th is no contest, I?d take 6th every time and anyone who thinks that I?m not a true blue for saying that doesn?t know me. The chances are that if we beat the Mancs we will still almost certainly finish 6th so what the fuck.
Do you really want to beat the Mancs and hand the shite the league, you must be mad. For a long time now the Mancs have not bothered me, why? Because they have kept the red shites noses out of the troff for the last 20 years, simple. My enemy?s enemy is my friend.
I try to treat them as just another team but they really are, from the Board to the fans (spell Anfield, anyone?), charmless, arrogant, all fur- coat-and-no knickers classless gobshites.
I have long cherished the quote from the old Blue dears who held up Anfield?s expansion...?the sooner they?re back in the 2nd Division, where they belong, the better?.
Anyway I am more concerned about tonight's game, surely we are due another 1-0 win, we have had the 1-0 win, the 4-1 drubbing, the 1-0 win, the 4-1 drubbing, time for a win again.
I don’t agree with Trevor Lynes.
I disagree with you much much more.
Never, ever, ever, ever, ever want any team to beat Everton, ever, under any circumstances.
Apart from the above, it’s ridiculous to assume in January the difference will be 3 pts, it will be far more.
And never, ever, ever back any team to beat Everton..did I make that point?
PS Born and brought up in Kensington, L7. Does that count?
I want Everton to be successful and win things. And to be involved at the highest level each season. If we don?t win a trophy or qualify for Europe the next season then I don?t care who we failed against. Failure is failure and three points lost or being knocked out of a cup competition has the same end result, regardless of the opposition.
Suppose we rest players for Man U, concede a lot of goals and then miss out on a European place on goal difference? When I go to a game I want to see the best available squad, not a compromise line-up because the manager considers the current game less important. If they don?t value the lesser or ?unwinnable? games then why should we bother to turn up? Let?s just go to the prestige games or the ones where we have a good chance of winning....
It is a fact that Everton have had a lot of bad luck over injuries and suspensions, with key players absent such as Fellaini, Arteta and Yakubu. I do agree with Benitez to an extent, but ONLY in the second half, because of our injuries, we don't really have an attacking threat, so it is only natural to defend our lead. Surely, if Benitez was in the same position as Moyes, he would've done the same?? Of course he would!!
But what else annoys me about Benitez is that he hasn't really been in the position when all his players have been injured, so he talks about Everton's negative tactics when he has never been in the same position as Moyes is currently. Let's face it, in the Premier League, Liverpool rely more on key individuals than anybody else. If they lose Gerrard, Torres (and Carragher to an extent), they would be so screwed; they would never be a top 6 side, that's for sure!! I just only wish Liverpool were in that position, and let's see what Benitez says about his own negative tactics!!
Finally, can you imagine if the situation was the other way round... Liverpool had Everton's injury problems in the follow up to the derby games and Everton had a fully fit squad! Let's say 2 key midfielders for them get injured so Gerrard and Alonso, and 3 strikers so Torres, Keane and Kuyt all injured.
Now what the score would be? Well, I can tell ya, Everton would have been playing Villa/Doncaster in the FA Cup, and we'd have 3 points in the leagye against them, we'd definitely beat them!!
It's just amazing that, with our injury problems, Everton did not lose to Liverpool (who remember are a top 4 side), and even more true, that Liverpool could never cope if they had the same injury problems. It just goes to show that Everton are definitely more of a team than the redshite!!
Although that?s something to admire, Stoke, Hull, West Ham, Fulham also didn?t lose to Liverpool. Does that make them as good as us? Or are we better when we have all our players available? As we are above all of those 4 teams in the league then we must be better than them, but equal when it comes to not losing to Liverpool!
Let?s stop defining ourselves by our results against Liverpool and how close we are to them in the league. Unless Liverpool are top of the league and we are in second and chasing them or we are playing them in a cup final, then what they do really doesn?t matter. We should be worrying more about getting results against Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal (and this season Aston Villa).
Being runners-up to LFC is the second worse thing in the world as far as i?m concerned. LFC win things for LFC and EFC win things for EFC. Not this ficticious Merseyside nonsense.
Anyway, thats fair enough Joe but you must be very thick skinned or you must have your head in the sand if you can put up with the shite winning the Premier League as long as Everton win a game that is likely to be of no significants at the end of the season. You see to me, that point that we took of them at Anfield. Well I hope thats the two points that they didn’t get that stops them winning the league. The Mancs winning the league by one point would give me great joy.
Now whats the point of us going to Old Trafford and taking points off them. It would be like scoring an own goal. Winning against the Mancs will be of little or no use to us at the end of the season so get real and thats the reality of the situation... or do you like the taste of red shite shit?
So how often have we won at Old Trafford since the start of the Premiership ? If we take that attitude then what’s the point of away fans going to watch their team ? The effect on the morale of the players with a win at Old Trafford would be immense. Manchester United are one of the most successful teams in Europe on a consistent basis. If we are to become successful we have to beat the best teams. How can we expect to compete against the better teams in Europe if we don’t try to beat Manchester United and the like ? Have we really lowered our expectations so much that losing to help Liverpool’s rivals is deemed a success ?
Fantasy football again but I would rather manure win the title than the RS. You may have 20 RS to every Evertonian in Liverpool, here it’s fucking 2000 mindless front-bums to every blue (conservative guess). The only thing that can possibly be worse then RS winning the title is Villa. After all these years having a real go, up comes Villa from nowhere.
Nah, nothing is worse than seeing the RS win.
Talk about missing the point!!
I hate the RS with a passion, I love Everton more than I hate Liverpool. You seem to have lost that particular plot if you say the opposite.
My priorities in order on matchday are:
1. Everton win
2. Liverpool lose
Without exceptions of any sort.
I don’t like Man U, Tottenham, Newcastle or Chelsea (in that order) either for various reasons.
The two points possible difference to Everton is likely to be far more decisive than to Man U anyway, because Man U will have a much bigger gap over Liverpool than that by end of season.
Liverpool will be out of the title race by March and we’ll still be pushing for Europe. Take Gerrard and Torres out of their team and suddenly they are a mid table side (fact).
So what’s your favourite shout: COYB or FORS?
There’s no doubt what mine is.
Is that clear?
PS Where did I say it didn’t matter where you come from? Apologies to non-Scouse blues here but nothing winds me up than southern RS "supporters" coming on to Five Live after the Derby and slagging Everton. To me it’s the equivalent of an outsider butting in to a family argument - ("WTF has it got to do with you??")
I quite simply don’t like taking chances because once they’ve won the fuckin league, it won’t go away. Oh, and thats a real fact!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. You haven’t got a brother called Jimmy, have you?
I don’t know facts you want nor understand what you mean about opinion - naive or otherwise. You seem terrified of RS winning the League above all else. The fact is they’re simply not good enough to do that over the course of a full season right now, with or without Gerrard and Torres.
Your arguments are just bizarre (’don’t like taking chances’??????)
What’s clear is that the most important thing to you is clearly not having the rip taken out of you.
’We don’t care what the RS say’ as the song goes. For my own part this is absolutely true, sorry it’s not for you.
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United unlike our neighbours do have a host of players who can cause problems to our defence and we cannot have another rearguard action there. We should aim to win our next 3 games never mind settling for this game or that game. COYB