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As mad and upset as I am about that draw I can't help but think we deserved it in the end. We always seem to do this in the last 10 minutes when 1-0 up. We can't decide whether to go for another or waste time.
And because of that we play some shit-tastic version of both and end up giving the ball away 30 times. You can't play like that when you're up 1 against one of the best sides of Europe. As much as Moyes game plan seems to be defending 1-0 wins it seems strange that he doesn't have them better instructed to choose what to do.
Final note, Pienaar's ball to Anichebe was idiotic. He had acres of space and could have waited for a patient build up. A deserved draw... though I'm gutted and if we lose Cahill... aspirations over for the season.
Joey Brown, Posted 28/01/2009 at 18:59:54
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Deserved? i think not. We fuckin had them by the balls, then bottled it AGAIN!
Jags, fantastic for 91 minutes. Then those fucking sickening balls that just slide over. Seen it all before.
Angry? Oh yes!
Jags, fantastic for 91 minutes. Then those fucking sickening balls that just slide over. Seen it all before.
Angry? Oh yes!
Woah... Lets just calm down for a minute. Your Acting like we have just throw away a 3-0 lead to Newcastle with a full fit squad at our disposal. I think the fact that people are so irrate over a 1-1 draw against Arsenal truly goes to show the level of expectations we have apparently set ourself these past few months. Another good perfromance from the lads and a well earned point... Huge shame about Cahill but seasons over?? Behave! Im glad the rest of our squad dont share your mentality Joey because after the losses of Saha Yakubu Vaughan etc... We’d be relegation favourites.
Roll on the Mancs and then the Red Shite.
Coyb
Roll on the Mancs and then the Red Shite.
Coyb
Stop whingeing, we get our share of last minute goals... stop throwing the toys out of the pram... let?s blame it on David Moyes or Kenwright.
Guys, I’m looking for opinion here:
I think Howard should have saved it. Stood up and let it him in the face.
Why did he lean back so it went over him?
What’s going on?
I think Howard should have saved it. Stood up and let it him in the face.
Why did he lean back so it went over him?
What’s going on?
John, if we lose Cahill for the cup game then I will defo be blaming Moyes. Tim has run himself ragged in the last few games and tonight was no exception. He took a few hits tonight and went over to the bench during the stop in play when Hibbert flattened one of there players, TC was fucked out on his feet and he was nursing his already injured shoulder.
We WERE 1-0 up and 15 minutes to play. FFS Moyes pull the lad off and save him for another day I thought but NO he left Cahill on and minutes later the lad gets caught by a challenge which looks like keeeping him out for weeks. The FELLAINI INCIDENT all over again?
If Cahill is out of the Derby we might as well concede right now. Cue a mad last minute rush for a player by the weekend. Nah its never Moyes's fault, John.
We WERE 1-0 up and 15 minutes to play. FFS Moyes pull the lad off and save him for another day I thought but NO he left Cahill on and minutes later the lad gets caught by a challenge which looks like keeeping him out for weeks. The FELLAINI INCIDENT all over again?
If Cahill is out of the Derby we might as well concede right now. Cue a mad last minute rush for a player by the weekend. Nah its never Moyes's fault, John.
Tony, why would you take your best player off when trying to win a match?
Unless you expect Moyes to have a crystal ball and ?know? that Cahill is going to get injured ? why would he take him off? Madness!
If we?d have taken him off and Howard has conceded ANOTHER soft goal you?d have blamed Moyes then.... there?s no let up for the manager.
It?s very simple, you expect the keeper to save shots that are straight at him. Nothing to do with Cahill.
Unless you expect Moyes to have a crystal ball and ?know? that Cahill is going to get injured ? why would he take him off? Madness!
If we?d have taken him off and Howard has conceded ANOTHER soft goal you?d have blamed Moyes then.... there?s no let up for the manager.
It?s very simple, you expect the keeper to save shots that are straight at him. Nothing to do with Cahill.
That was an extremely controlled performance tonight up until that corner in the 90th minute. Why piss about trying to waste time when there is a possibility of scoring a second goal from a set-piece??? Arteta is at fault for that.
As for the goal, how the hell did it get in the net, because from my seat Van Persie was tight to the goal-line. But there are signs that the confidence is there to take on the big teams, we just need the belief to beat them.
Hope Timmy is Ok and soon.
Tony Marsh. I am sure if he had pulled Cahill off with 15 to and it ended up 1-1 you would have had a go at Moyes for taking him off.
Kase... Going to get injured??? Cahill was already injured when Moyes left him on you retard. FFS where you at the game? Cahill was shattered and injured but the manager hasn't got the balls to give a fresh player a go.
The reason Cahill is fucked tonight is because he was left on the field of play when carrying a knock. A tired player is always likely to get injured more easily. Tired and injured, you're asking for trouble. Please don't lecture me on football lad. You know fuck all.
The reason Cahill is fucked tonight is because he was left on the field of play when carrying a knock. A tired player is always likely to get injured more easily. Tired and injured, you're asking for trouble. Please don't lecture me on football lad. You know fuck all.
Tony stop talking shite mate, Kase has it right. The sore shoulder had nothing to do with the ankle injury that eventually forced him off so stop the incessant Moyes attacks based on erroneous info.
Ahhh, the old personal insults make their mark eh Tony. Must say I?m very intimidated. How brave of you to say I ?know fuck all? about football and that I?m a ?retard?. Good work.
What you?ve cleverly done is insult me whilst talking about Cahill to escape moderation.....what a man you are.
Here?s the deal: Why would Moyes leave an injured player on the pitch? We all know you have a Moyes vendetta so you can blame it on him not having ?the balls?. Yes, you must be right - Moyes is trying to RUIN our club rather than forward it.
Moyes is trying to raise expectations and dampen them again. Gosh he?s a wily fox that Moyes.
I wonder if he?s on the pay roll of LFC? Double agent Moyes: leaving injured players on the pitch, plays poor football and he just won?t win the league and cup when we all know he?s capable.
He won?t even spend the millions that Kenwright gives him on players.
Marsh - you?re a genuis!!!!! Good effort.
What you?ve cleverly done is insult me whilst talking about Cahill to escape moderation.....what a man you are.
Here?s the deal: Why would Moyes leave an injured player on the pitch? We all know you have a Moyes vendetta so you can blame it on him not having ?the balls?. Yes, you must be right - Moyes is trying to RUIN our club rather than forward it.
Moyes is trying to raise expectations and dampen them again. Gosh he?s a wily fox that Moyes.
I wonder if he?s on the pay roll of LFC? Double agent Moyes: leaving injured players on the pitch, plays poor football and he just won?t win the league and cup when we all know he?s capable.
He won?t even spend the millions that Kenwright gives him on players.
Marsh - you?re a genuis!!!!! Good effort.
If Moyes is correct in his assessment it would seem Tim’s injury isn’t quite so bad as it first seems which is really the best possible news of the night. Have to say I thought he took a buffeting all night but showed great courage and was outstanding yet again. I shudder to think were we’d be without such a truly outstanding talent that he is and to think that there were some suggestions on here that perhaps we should get rid of him earlier in the season beggars belief.
I don’t know why Tony Marsh is getting so worked up because 2 points wouldn’t have changed our league placing and given that an away game at Utd is to follow Van Persie’s goal doesn’t mean much in the long run. The thing that upsets me is that we lost those early home games to Blackburn and Portsmouth and had we not then we might still be in with a chance of a top 4 finish.
Sorry Tony, but I reckon, if Moyes had substituted Tim, you would have been saying ’Why did Moyes sub Tim when we were only 1-0 up blah blah’.
Don't start with that crap Tony. You are the first to moan and blame Moyes that we never go in for the kill and finish these teams off. Taking our only striker off would have had you screaming blue murder about how negative Moyes is. You can't have it both ways.
On ths OS Moyes just said Tim isn’t badly injured and that he was just tired and took a kick. End of.
Give it a rest Tony ? you?re getting very very boring ? no longer even worth responding to!
Good performance tonight overall... it?s just funny when you draw by conceding in the last minute it feels like a loss ? and when you draw by scoring in the last minute it can feel like a win. In the past any result against one of the top clubs has felt good, but expectations are growing with our current form. Long may it continue... I?m still up for stuffing the Mancs!
Good performance tonight overall... it?s just funny when you draw by conceding in the last minute it feels like a loss ? and when you draw by scoring in the last minute it can feel like a win. In the past any result against one of the top clubs has felt good, but expectations are growing with our current form. Long may it continue... I?m still up for stuffing the Mancs!
I don?t think we tied the game because of Cahill coming off. We had many many chances to kill it in Arsenals defensive half in injury time. Tiredness makes player make mental mistakes... that's maybe why Moyes isn?t publicly going off on Pienaar. Let's hope Cahills injury isn?t season ending... we need him for next week!
Tony,
I know some take exception to just about anything you write but you're spot on with your take on this. Cahill was pulling up with various niggling injuries as the game progressed and I have to confess I too felt that he should have been withdrawn in the latter stages, I had a gut feeling he was going to pick up an injury. To anyone who?s played football at any level your rationale makes perfect sense. I have no doubt that, if we had the strength in depth of other clubs, Tim would have been rested much earlier.
I know some take exception to just about anything you write but you're spot on with your take on this. Cahill was pulling up with various niggling injuries as the game progressed and I have to confess I too felt that he should have been withdrawn in the latter stages, I had a gut feeling he was going to pick up an injury. To anyone who?s played football at any level your rationale makes perfect sense. I have no doubt that, if we had the strength in depth of other clubs, Tim would have been rested much earlier.
I thought we deserved a win tonight. We were in control however as soon as we decided to take a short corner suddenly our whole mood changed. Instead of looking confident suddenly we had 2 minutes of panicking and we were made to suffer for it by a great RVP strike. I was more upset by Vics lack of effort. Cahill had run himself into the ground and never gave there defenders time to settle on the ball once he went off that all changed.
It felt like a defeat to be honest. One of the biggest critisisms we have is our performances against a top 4 side and today we should have beaten one. A pacy winger and a striker in the next few days will ease the pain; however, I don't think we?ll be seeing any signings.
Just got back. Cracking game in the end, after a fairly dull first half.
I have to say, in the 30 years or more I’ve been watching Everton, I’ve never seen a back 4 so impressive. Jags and Joleon, in particular, are making defending look easy. It’s frightening at times.
I’m gutted, of course, that we only got a point. But I’m excited about visiting the Mancs at the weekend. If we keep playing like this, we have a real chance.
Oh, and Tony Marsh - what’s wrong with you, man? Just a week after you posted a fairly level-headed, considerate aritcle and you come out with a deeply unpleasant outburst like above.
"If Cahill is out for the derby we may as well concede right now."
You miserable bastard. How can you be so defeatist? And be honest, you’d have been the first one to whinge if Moyes had taken Cahill off after 50 minutes and we’d drawn/lost the game.
I have to say, in the 30 years or more I’ve been watching Everton, I’ve never seen a back 4 so impressive. Jags and Joleon, in particular, are making defending look easy. It’s frightening at times.
I’m gutted, of course, that we only got a point. But I’m excited about visiting the Mancs at the weekend. If we keep playing like this, we have a real chance.
Oh, and Tony Marsh - what’s wrong with you, man? Just a week after you posted a fairly level-headed, considerate aritcle and you come out with a deeply unpleasant outburst like above.
"If Cahill is out for the derby we may as well concede right now."
You miserable bastard. How can you be so defeatist? And be honest, you’d have been the first one to whinge if Moyes had taken Cahill off after 50 minutes and we’d drawn/lost the game.
Not sure anyone saw the real reason why the goal was scored, for me it was Anichebe and his lazy bastard attitude as usual, he only had to move a yard towards the ball that was passed to him and again he decided to stand still and do nothing but as usual fall over.
He is fucking useless and very lucky due to injuries he is even in the squad.
He has added no value to Everton during this period of injuries and I am afraid he never will, or not until he changes his attitude to someone who is looking to prove himself from someone who thinks he is already a top striker.
Frustrated, I am considering a great performance by all tonight until that bag of shit came on the pitch.
He is fucking useless and very lucky due to injuries he is even in the squad.
He has added no value to Everton during this period of injuries and I am afraid he never will, or not until he changes his attitude to someone who is looking to prove himself from someone who thinks he is already a top striker.
Frustrated, I am considering a great performance by all tonight until that bag of shit came on the pitch.
Good shout Jimmy. It does indeed show the expectation levels ?long may it continue.
You really do have to wonder about the failed mental process that leads to such idiocy at that corner. I was screaming for them to lump it over and have another go, and went apoplectic when they took it short and proceeded to fart about, fearing exactly the inevitable loss of possession and resulting opportunity for the Arse. Aboslutely maddening.
I?m very disappointed, too, especially as I was surrounded by 5-6 Arsenal fans during the game. Dumb cunts. I am upset that Pienaar passed that long ball to Anichebe, because holding it and wasting time would have been the smart thing to do. However, I hardly blame him for the draw, it was misfortune more than anything.
I know I?ll get slaughtered for this, but I can accept us getting 6th at the end of the season (providing manure take the league cup). I would have loved to beat Arsenal, as we have a terrible record against them and they were there for the taking, but at the same time, our paper-thin squad would not be competitive in the Champions League. All that matters is the 3rd and final game against the shite. And hopefully Tiny Tim is ok.
I think it is pretty simple, we were magnificent for most of that game and deserved the win. Especially considering that being such a ’defensive side’ (according to Rafa) we out play one of the best passing sides in Europe... Kudos to our boys for a switch in game plan. When we play like this it is enjoyable to be an Evertonian!
However we lost the game in the last 5 mins when we had 4 key opportunites to run the clock down and shut up shop:
#1 - Pienaar & Arteta gave the ball away trying to flick it following a short corner.
#2 - Anichebe gave the ball away when he should have held it up in the right hand corner.
# 3 - Pienaar’s ball to Anichebe when he had acres to run it and keep hold of it.
# 4 - Moments before Diarby’s chipped pass to Van Pursestrings, Big Victor could have pressured their CB on his awful first touch. If Cahill had of been on he would have worked him forcing a turn over.
We are doing phenomenal to be in the top 6 with the squad we have, now to get to the next level like Villa (who sneaked and protected their 1-0 win V Pompy), we need to learn to kill teams off, doing the simple things better and the key times of the game.
However we lost the game in the last 5 mins when we had 4 key opportunites to run the clock down and shut up shop:
#1 - Pienaar & Arteta gave the ball away trying to flick it following a short corner.
#2 - Anichebe gave the ball away when he should have held it up in the right hand corner.
# 3 - Pienaar’s ball to Anichebe when he had acres to run it and keep hold of it.
# 4 - Moments before Diarby’s chipped pass to Van Pursestrings, Big Victor could have pressured their CB on his awful first touch. If Cahill had of been on he would have worked him forcing a turn over.
We are doing phenomenal to be in the top 6 with the squad we have, now to get to the next level like Villa (who sneaked and protected their 1-0 win V Pompy), we need to learn to kill teams off, doing the simple things better and the key times of the game.
Harsh to blame Howard. That was a very sweet hit.
Where was Tony Hibbert? He was leaving us 3v3 at the back while he ball watched, thinking it was a good idea to mark Phil Neville.
The thing that annoys me most about this guy is not his lack of ability in possession but the times when he gets caught out for basic positioning. This was the most galling of all though. Two minutes into injury time and just standing in no-mans land marking space when there were only three guys back. I mean FFS!
As an aside why couldn?t Vic put some sort of pressure on the ball after Osman?s challenge. I hope for his future it?s because he?s carrying a back injury. Otherwise it just smacks of laziness.
Where was Tony Hibbert? He was leaving us 3v3 at the back while he ball watched, thinking it was a good idea to mark Phil Neville.
The thing that annoys me most about this guy is not his lack of ability in possession but the times when he gets caught out for basic positioning. This was the most galling of all though. Two minutes into injury time and just standing in no-mans land marking space when there were only three guys back. I mean FFS!
As an aside why couldn?t Vic put some sort of pressure on the ball after Osman?s challenge. I hope for his future it?s because he?s carrying a back injury. Otherwise it just smacks of laziness.
Pienaar was lazy at the end and undone all his previous good work. Howard drives me mad he always dive backwards either for shots or when one on one... that makes the obstruction to the back of the net smaller not larger! Basic stuff but he does it all the time and it's costing us, as is the right side of our defence when Neville isn?t there... see the last two vital goals we?ve conceded.
Paul Niklas, thing is I thought VA was great against L?pool in 1st game but you?re right-he was lazy tonight. And he could have done much more on the goal.
But how is it that Howard is escaping criticism? Why is he not standing up and saving that shot?
Tony Marsh,
Retard? Total lack of class. I’m suprised that Lyndon and Michael are tolerating your posts, and I’m not just talking about tonight. I hope they leave your comments above on though, really showed yourself up. You’re a disgrace.
Retard? Total lack of class. I’m suprised that Lyndon and Michael are tolerating your posts, and I’m not just talking about tonight. I hope they leave your comments above on though, really showed yourself up. You’re a disgrace.
Having seen the goal on MOTD I don’t think you can honestly blame TH, as VPers struck it so sweetly and it would have taken some stopping
. If they do one of those xMPH thingies I bet it is one of the hardest fastest strikes of the season.
As for Victor, I can’t believe that he has had so many opportunities and wasted every one of them. How can he stand in the centre-circle ball watching? when he has witnessed Tiny Tim literally run his socks off.
If I was Moyes I would be dropping him out the squad completly.
Surely the lad Gosling would be far more eager to impress than Victor ’I’m Everton’s Centre-Forward’ Anichebe.
Only in your dreams Victor!
. If they do one of those xMPH thingies I bet it is one of the hardest fastest strikes of the season.
As for Victor, I can’t believe that he has had so many opportunities and wasted every one of them. How can he stand in the centre-circle ball watching? when he has witnessed Tiny Tim literally run his socks off.
If I was Moyes I would be dropping him out the squad completly.
Surely the lad Gosling would be far more eager to impress than Victor ’I’m Everton’s Centre-Forward’ Anichebe.
Only in your dreams Victor!
I am with you all the way Paul, lazy twat cost us there, he should have been running from the first to the last second of the ten minutes he was on. He could have cut out the pass to Diarby but decided to stop running
Have any of you read the comments of the Fat Spanish Waiter after their 1:1 draw at Wigan. He just stopped short of accusing Steve Bruce of negative tactics, but once again shows what a prick he is. I’m not happy about us drawing 1:1, but seeing them fuck up once more does cheer me up immensly. Maybe it helps some of you on here, too :)
It would be extremely harsh to blame the draw on Peanut as, like Cahill, he has flat-out run his bag off for us lately. And with Arteta a non factor tonight he was basically our only creative option. He seems to be the only player we have (besides MA) who can create space for himself when he?s on the ball.
That said, I don?t know what the fuck he was doing on both the short corner and the two-on-two; blame the shiftless Anichebe all you want but SP had absolutely no business attempting that pass at that time with that much space ahead of him, and it cost us.
Arsenal were as bad as i?ve ever seen them, they were just horrible.
Am I alone in agreeing with Tony? Cahill was knackered and obviously in discomfort. He was in some agony in the centre circle after being clipped from behind and merely falling on his chest/shoulder. Anichebe is fit and should have been thrown on with 15 min left with instructions to run himself silly. The Arse back four was looking shakier and shakier as the match went on and DM should have given him more time.
Of course, giving Victor any time at all is asking for trouble.
Awww, fuck it.
That said, I don?t know what the fuck he was doing on both the short corner and the two-on-two; blame the shiftless Anichebe all you want but SP had absolutely no business attempting that pass at that time with that much space ahead of him, and it cost us.
Arsenal were as bad as i?ve ever seen them, they were just horrible.
Am I alone in agreeing with Tony? Cahill was knackered and obviously in discomfort. He was in some agony in the centre circle after being clipped from behind and merely falling on his chest/shoulder. Anichebe is fit and should have been thrown on with 15 min left with instructions to run himself silly. The Arse back four was looking shakier and shakier as the match went on and DM should have given him more time.
Of course, giving Victor any time at all is asking for trouble.
Awww, fuck it.
............is it just me or do the "lazy bastards" comments only get tossed at our black players- specifically Yakubu and tonight Anichebe.......I’ll take that back if I’m out of order but if that’s people dealing in fucking "lazy" stereotypes they should maybe go and have a talk with Ron Atkinson......
No Paul,
"lazy bastard" comments have nothing to with skin colour. At least refuse to believe that. Shandy Andy has had to endure such remarks, too, and even Screech got similar comments made.
"lazy bastard" comments have nothing to with skin colour. At least refuse to believe that. Shandy Andy has had to endure such remarks, too, and even Screech got similar comments made.
You're being ridiculous Paul. VA is lazy, he?s a cry baby, a whiner and thinks he?s way better than he is. Its got nothing to do with his colour at all.
The sooner we get rid of him the better... how can he come on for a few minutes and not run at full speed for the entire time. He really is poor and does not seem to fit in to our ethos whatsoever.
............okay, that’s okay then- I like to think that we’re all a little better than that on here- I happily retract the comment.......
Defensively heroic, Tim was fantastic and we played good football at times BUT we were running on empty with ten minutes to go and Arteta and Fellaini needed to be subbed and we have NO ONE who is available at the Premier League top level. Every other team have good subs and we don't... fact!! Rotation is not an option where we are concerned.
My biggest disappointment was to read DM saying we wont be getting any reinforcements this window... I am sick and angry!! The team have played out of their skins and some are becoming obviously fatigued... what's going on???? What about the promises made?
Modern day football needs bigger squads than we have to succeed. I said only yesterday that we have no adequate replacements for Howard, Arteta, Fellaini and Cahill.... I hope to GOD that Tim's injury is just a slight knock. It's Brinkmanship gone mad.
SO . .
Let me get this right . . Arsenal’s equaliser had nothing to do with Van Persee brilliantly taking advantage of the Jags momentary lapse of concentration, nor did it have anything to do with Tim Howard moving out of the way of a shot that was going straight at him ?
Oh no, not when the whipping boy was within 1/2 a mile of the "crime"
IT WAS ANICHEBE’S FAULT ??? thats right up the with the "PIENAAR IS LAZY" comment
The words "postage stamp" and "back of" spring to mind
Let me get this right . . Arsenal’s equaliser had nothing to do with Van Persee brilliantly taking advantage of the Jags momentary lapse of concentration, nor did it have anything to do with Tim Howard moving out of the way of a shot that was going straight at him ?
Oh no, not when the whipping boy was within 1/2 a mile of the "crime"
IT WAS ANICHEBE’S FAULT ??? thats right up the with the "PIENAAR IS LAZY" comment
The words "postage stamp" and "back of" spring to mind
I’m beginning to suspect that Howard is getting a cut of some betting money for letting in goals like that... where he "tries" to act like he’s saving, but it turns out like a horrible acting job....
Damn!
Damn!
Guys, a bit of common sense please, the team took it Arsenal tonight and for 92 mins stopped them playing.
Observations:
We keep getting everyone behind the ball so when we are under pressure its hoofed out and comes straight back.. someone has to stay up.
Cahill was knackered and was carrying a knock, it was a judgement call by Tim and Moyes, as it was he picked up another knock and had to come off, but we don;t have the benefit of a crystal ball, just hindsight which is always clearer.
As it was he was replaced by big Vic who just is not in the groove this season and in truth does not justify his place on his performances to date. He does not seem tuned in at all and I am not sure if its a lack of confidence or just lack of ability / commitment.. ??
Its often said the best form of defense is attack,, I agree, except when you have only a minute or two to go against the top clubs and your winning.. It was immature play, naive and just plain bloody stupid. Sit on the ball in the corner. Run the clock..
If I were Moyes I would be giving Peanuts a blast and Arteta too.. as for big Vic I think he needs a rest, at least until he gets his head right and remembers how to stand up when tackled...
Its a shame cause he has strength and can score goals but something is amiss with him this season and it was painful to watch (again)
Lastly, last season we bottled it against the big four.. this season we have taken it too them.. we have improved not just on paper.. but in the points taken too
Observations:
We keep getting everyone behind the ball so when we are under pressure its hoofed out and comes straight back.. someone has to stay up.
Cahill was knackered and was carrying a knock, it was a judgement call by Tim and Moyes, as it was he picked up another knock and had to come off, but we don;t have the benefit of a crystal ball, just hindsight which is always clearer.
As it was he was replaced by big Vic who just is not in the groove this season and in truth does not justify his place on his performances to date. He does not seem tuned in at all and I am not sure if its a lack of confidence or just lack of ability / commitment.. ??
Its often said the best form of defense is attack,, I agree, except when you have only a minute or two to go against the top clubs and your winning.. It was immature play, naive and just plain bloody stupid. Sit on the ball in the corner. Run the clock..
If I were Moyes I would be giving Peanuts a blast and Arteta too.. as for big Vic I think he needs a rest, at least until he gets his head right and remembers how to stand up when tackled...
Its a shame cause he has strength and can score goals but something is amiss with him this season and it was painful to watch (again)
Lastly, last season we bottled it against the big four.. this season we have taken it too them.. we have improved not just on paper.. but in the points taken too
In the cold light of morning after having time to relect on the game I am still pissed off, blaming Vic was a bit much but he "is" a lazy bastard, how can a 20 year old "professional" athlete not run for 10 minutes.
Christine you say Vic needs a rest, he has played about 5 games this season, Jags and Joleon have played every minute this season, and lets be honest our defence is probably worked a lot more than the forwards, so if they can do it why can’t Vic for 10 mins?
In the end it was a fantastic goal by Van Rapist and if it had been anyone else they would have porbably missed, it is just indicative of our luck that a left footer gets that kind of ball in the right area for him.
Christine you say Vic needs a rest, he has played about 5 games this season, Jags and Joleon have played every minute this season, and lets be honest our defence is probably worked a lot more than the forwards, so if they can do it why can’t Vic for 10 mins?
In the end it was a fantastic goal by Van Rapist and if it had been anyone else they would have porbably missed, it is just indicative of our luck that a left footer gets that kind of ball in the right area for him.
If anyone didn?t seem to pulling their weight it was Fallaini. It took him well over an hour to get into the game. No doubt he was trying to be on his best behaviour and suffered for it.
The players gave their all last night and Victor should have been taking note sitting on the bench. He cost us the match, he is lazy. He now falls down like a big pansy at the first sign of anyone "touching" him. When he first came on the scene he would bounce right up and get on with it and gave us hope that maybe we had a good youngster coming through. A bit of his league now playing with the big boys!!!
Tony Williams - fair comments, but Christine clearly meant Victor should be rested from first team action due to his poor performances, not his fatigue. "Dropped" would be a better word, and I fully agree.
I was as fuming as everyone else last night, and took a long time for that sick-to-the-stomach feeling to wear off before I could drop off to sleep. Hopefully the team can recover from the late equaliser, and feel confident going into Saturday’s game.
I was as fuming as everyone else last night, and took a long time for that sick-to-the-stomach feeling to wear off before I could drop off to sleep. Hopefully the team can recover from the late equaliser, and feel confident going into Saturday’s game.
It?s the defence?s job to prevent goals, irrespective of how the chances arise. In this sense, one can?t lay all, or even half, the blame for Arsenal?s equaliser on Pienaar and Anichebe. Instead one should look at all the defenders in the area (or who should have been in the area) through which the ball passed, goalie included.
The defence is playing well at the moment, but if you analyse in slo-mo the goals they do concede, including the lead-up play, since the better days of Carsley, they appear very susceptible to quick direct play in the forward middle third of the pitch. Just other teams perhaps don?t yet realise this.
As for Anichebe?s ?laziness?, I’ve never been able to take to Cahill for the same reason. That doesn?t mean I wouldn?t include him, but I?d like to see him involved more than 3 times in a match, even when of those 3 times, one is a goal or an assist and one is a close shot (and occasionally the other a bit of argie-bargie).
The defence is playing well at the moment, but if you analyse in slo-mo the goals they do concede, including the lead-up play, since the better days of Carsley, they appear very susceptible to quick direct play in the forward middle third of the pitch. Just other teams perhaps don?t yet realise this.
As for Anichebe?s ?laziness?, I’ve never been able to take to Cahill for the same reason. That doesn?t mean I wouldn?t include him, but I?d like to see him involved more than 3 times in a match, even when of those 3 times, one is a goal or an assist and one is a close shot (and occasionally the other a bit of argie-bargie).
Absolutely agree Joey. At last a cheance to beat one of the big 4 and we blow it. Coaching is to blame here.
DM just didn’t have the vision to see that some players were out on their feet with 20 mins.to go especially Pienaar and Fellaini but did he use the subs? no except when Timmie got hurt. They pushed forward like Lemmings and got caught out. Sure it was one on one Jagielka and Van Persie but Hibbert should have been way back as well at that time. We have to expect this for all the remaining games from DM as he as shown limited capability with game day coaching and trying to win with one goal will be all we can do in every game which will be very difficult under his coaching.
DM just didn’t have the vision to see that some players were out on their feet with 20 mins.to go especially Pienaar and Fellaini but did he use the subs? no except when Timmie got hurt. They pushed forward like Lemmings and got caught out. Sure it was one on one Jagielka and Van Persie but Hibbert should have been way back as well at that time. We have to expect this for all the remaining games from DM as he as shown limited capability with game day coaching and trying to win with one goal will be all we can do in every game which will be very difficult under his coaching.
Guy?s lets take things easy. I had to change seats last night and sat in the family enclosure on the Gwladys Street 18 yard line and all I can say is wow what a goal. I heard Van Persie kick the ball and a split second later I heard it hit the net.
Let's remember for 90 minutes we outplayed out-passed and out thought one of the best footballing teams Europe?s seen in the last 10-15 years. Peanuts did what he thought was right, Victor is extremely limited, and for me shouldn?t even be at the club, Phil Jagielka is awesome and Tim Howard has just gone 9 games and only conceded 3 goals.
So don?t go apportioning blame to any one particular player, just look at the way the Arsenal team and fans celebrated at the end. We are and will be for a long time a big big scalp, and if teams come to GP and get a draw, they're more than satisfied. COYB
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Do we have a lack of bottle? I can’t help but wonder.
It’s great to have drawn against each of the Sky 4 but we need to learn how to beat them - we’ve shown that each of them are beatable.
Am really gutted.
Personally I think Howard should have saved it and he’s costing us a lot now. Just stand up and let it hit you in the face man!