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Respect

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The Moyes era has had its fair share of ups and downs and I certainly will never say that it has been perfect, far from it at times. However, what does please me increasingly, as a supporter since the FA Cup Final of 1966, is the fact that respect for our club, among the media, other clubs and their fans, seems to be on its way back.

Not so long ago, we widely held to be a laughing stock. Tipped for relegation every year, scorned by the media as being a once great club on an inevitable and unstoppable decline into obscurity, Everton FC is now becoming a byword for good old-fashioned values of hardwork, team spirit and resilience against the odds.

The Reds on Match of the Day now praise us; the serious press now give us credit when we play well and the tipsters now give us more than a semblance of a chance of success before every match.

Of course I want us to win silverware and I hope that the club's financial situation improves, with or without a ground move, to allow us to move up another notch and be serious competition for honours. But for now, I will accept looking forward to every match, against whoever we play, with the belief that we will compete and moreover that the broader footballing public is equally expectant of our success.

Living in London, I am surrounded by fans of all clubs. A few years ago, I was a proud but slightly sheepish Evertonian. Now, I can look my mates in the eye knowing that they respect our great Club. Long may it continue!
Chris Goldie, London     Posted 29/01/2009 at 10:35:08

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Keith Glazzard
1   Posted 29/01/2009 at 14:53:12

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You’ve always got to be careful about wishful thinking, but I also think that we are now being given much more well-deserved respect by people in the game. For example, Wenger is quoted today as saying "It was a game of quality between two teams who gave everything". The shite manager, of course, inhabits a different world.

Media people have differing agendas and varying degrees of knowledge, judgment, prejudice and lazy ignorance, so you can’t lump them all together. Just within the BBC, Hansen and Lawro are much more likely to give credit and be positive about us than Alan Green, but he’s more of a blinkered kopite than either of them.

As a footnote to another discussion - Lawrence Donegan in the Guardian today called el gordo "an emotional pygmy, a man unworthy of being in charge of a great club like Liverpool" . Well, except for his assessment of greatness, that sounds about right.

Respect and dignity go together.
stephen stuart
2   Posted 29/01/2009 at 17:12:45

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Sorry Chris

it’s not respect - it’s sympathy.

who else would want to be in the premiership with a such a small squad, half of whom are injured, very poor management and a ground dilemma that knows no bounds.

no, I think people are only too pleased it’s not them in this position.
Neil Humphrey
3   Posted 29/01/2009 at 17:22:23

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Yes Stephen I’m sure Newcastle, Man City, Tottenham etc. would hate to be sixth in the league, unbeaten in nine, playing some great football, still in the cup (City) etc. Jesus fucking christ.
Chris Masters
4   Posted 29/01/2009 at 17:18:06

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Stephen Stuart .... are you havin’ a funny five minutes mate ... ? I’m hoping that your comments are done humorously with your tongue firmly planted in your cheek ....Look around you sir ... Look at clubs like Spurs, Man City, Newcastle - all of whom have much bigger resources than Everton and all of them would give their right arm to be in our position .... I live in Porstmouth and all the Pompey supporters here would love to have David Moyes in charge of their club, so unless you are Tony Marsh in disguise I’m not sure where you get the "very poor management" description from ...
Beth Carter
5   Posted 29/01/2009 at 17:49:12

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It says something when can we can now say that a draw with Arsenal is deemed unsatisfactory. So close last night to a excellent win only for it to be taken away in the cruellest of circumstances. I would of taken a draw before the game, but in the end that was what happened, but I was left with an empty feeling with what was so nearly a victory.

This is a good time to be a bluenose, the carry ons across the park have provided light relief of late, and Benitez has made a blooper of epic proportions with what he said to a eager media.

I can’t wait for the replay, they cannot fare without Gerrard it seems, and one man does not make a team. The Wigan result was great although the late events at Goodison made it a far than impressive night.
Trevor Lynes
6   Posted 29/01/2009 at 18:13:21

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Fantastic so far and the defence have been truly heroic. My only caveat is... the size of the squad. We cannot bring anyone in!! But Kissock is away on loan and Ruddy's gone to Crewe... they seem to be able to get out very easily.

I think it's been another smoke screen with no REAL effort going into finding re-inforcements. The lads have performed fabulously but the burn out beckons if nothing is done!! I reckon a few of the lads were treading water in the last ten mins against Arsenal.

Jon Cox
7   Posted 29/01/2009 at 18:40:36

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I heard today that a certain Mr Derbyshire was loaned out to Olympicados (sic)! I AM NOW ANGRY. This player would have been amazing for our club and in 3 months time would have wanted, I?m sure to have signed full time.

Everton what were you thinking about!! A natural goal scorer cool on the ball, makes massive amounts of space for himself AND YOU LET HIM GO. Shame he?s gone we could have give him 1st choice team selection every week.

What can I say? Just gutted...
Neil Pearse
8   Posted 29/01/2009 at 19:45:49

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Spot on Chris, and exactly my experience with fellow supporters too. Perhaps it’s not difficult to garner more respect than comedy acts like Newcastle, Spurs, Liverpool and Man City - but we’ve got it. Moyes too I find to be very widely admired by supporters of other clubs. We are seen as straightforward and honest, which I think is great.

(And Jon - get a grip man! Derbyshire has been around for a while now, can’t get a game for Blackburn, and Allardyce (no fool) obviously doesn’t like the look of him. I think Jukiewicz may be a better prospect!)
Paul OHanlon
9   Posted 29/01/2009 at 20:44:42

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Respect from the media? You’re kidding aren’t you?

When was the last time we were on match of the day and the ’experts’ actually took the time to analyze the match from our point of view?

Only this morning I was listening to the sports news on a national radio stattion and they mentioned Van Persie equalised for Arsenal late on and that Wenger was happy with a point...they didn’t mention our scorer, what Moyes thought or the fact Cahill hobbled off! The only reason they even mentioned our name was to let everyone know who "the arsenal" were playing.
Alan Kirwin
10   Posted 29/01/2009 at 22:08:00

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stephen stuart

Stop talking bollocks. See a doctor about your depression.
Keith Glazzard
11   Posted 29/01/2009 at 23:50:18

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Paul - ’the media’ are a very mixed bunch. I never expect them to be accurate or fair about anything. You’ll only get the newsbites you want to hear when we are firmly established in the Sky4.
Rezzie Flanders
12   Posted 30/01/2009 at 00:07:42

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If you waiting to drink from the cup of kindness from the "media" you’ll die of thirst.

Sky4 or not, I’ll take substance over glitter.

OT, but funny - two links:

First for Blue Bill, and worth it on musical merit - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLWoiC-3b60

Next, for Senor Benitez - also stands on its own for musical merit - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmLS_jkxPRs

Jason Lam
13   Posted 30/01/2009 at 09:32:48

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The best form of respect is when SAF and co start playing their mind games on us, seeing us as a genuine threat to their dominance. Instead we’re a junkyard for their rejects. NSNO anyone?

The media churn up shite every week and instead of being the hoofball team of yesteryear we’re now everyone’s favourite second team. It’s ok if we win but not against the manure, shite and chelski. It’ll have the media do some thinking which means during some work. I do admire our honest teamwork but when you mention against the odds sometimes I feel we just make it difficult for ourselves. Like having a striker crisis during a transfer window.
Jason Lam
14   Posted 30/01/2009 at 09:40:23

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I meant DOING some work. COYB
Matt Thomas
15   Posted 30/01/2009 at 10:36:01

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Keith the differance between Wenger and Benitez is Wenger is humble and honest ? to coin an old saying about Liverpudlians ? the only time they pat you on the back is when they have just beaten you!
John Dybvad
16   Posted 30/01/2009 at 10:40:37

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I think in the serious press, we get quite a bit of respect from journalists. I would also point out that Lawro has continually over the last couple of seasons, pointed out on MOTD that Everton are a force within the game. Remember, it was Lawro that pointed out last season, when everyone was wetting themselves over Spurs, that Everton were justas likely to break the Sky 4 stronghold.

I think when we get a hard time in the media, it is usually from low-grade, non-professional types that have either problems with intellect (ex-footballers), have problems with impartiality (Green types) or are not particularly knowledgeable about the game (junior reporters and the like).

Richard Parker
17   Posted 30/01/2009 at 11:26:30

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@Trevor..... you don?t think that any REAL work went into getting a striker in?

I think the problem is that we have a great striker in Yakubu, a potentially good player in Saha who will probably never stay fit and 2 youngsters to make up the numbers. Then we have Cahill who is tucking them away as quickly as just about any other striker in the Premier League....

So that means that for no money, because (A) we don?t have money and (B) Moyes will not spend money on players that don?t improve the first 18, we have to bring in a player who is better up-front than Cahill and who knows that they don?t have a future at Everton once Yakubu comes back from injury.

I don?t think there can be too many players of the required quality knocking about for free can there?
Trevor Lynes
18   Posted 30/01/2009 at 13:37:00

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Richard, if we are serious about bringing only the best to the club, why are we linked with Smith? My REAL point is the fact that we are not strengthening the squad. If we have injuries to Arteta, Fellaini, Cahill or Howard who will be a satisfactory replacement from our present squad?

It is inevitable that fatigue will take its toll if the players are not rested from time to time... if any of the above players lose form or get suspended (Fellaini, Cahill etc) who will come in and do a job?

Why do you blindly believe we have no money?? If we have no money, how do teams further down the league have it? I'm not talking about the rich clubs, just look at the activity of virtually every team.

When a team is at its best IT BUYS... that's how it stays at the top. We seem to become complacent. AMBITION is lacking and complacency is evident in everything we do.

It's not just a striker we need, although I cannot agree with your rating of the Yak as world class... he is definitely in and out as far as I'm concerned... Saha has a touch of class but he is always injured.

I do not believe all this poverty talk.

Andy Crooks
19   Posted 30/01/2009 at 18:18:57

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Trevor, the poverty talk is true. Truer than you could ever imagine. I have a bad feling about our finances. Ciaran, do you wish to comment on this?

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