Jo to do a Job for us?
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Sky Sports News has announced that Everton are in talks with City to sign Brazilian Striker Jo on loan. Ok he's not everyone's favourite but it's better then nobody, I hope we get him. COYB!
Tom Campbell,
Ireland Posted 01/02/2009 at 09:20:27
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Based on what (admittedly little) I?ve seen of him so far, I?m not altogether sure he is better than nobody.
He?s looked awful every time he?s played. Way off the pace, and looks a bit of a fairy who doesn't fancy the rough stuff. Virtually anonymous.
Agree with what John says, but I know Moyes was interested in him pre-season and Krøldrup apart (oh and VdM) he?s not done bad for us. Plus Jo?s record pre-City isn?t bad at all. Depending on the terms, with City beings dickheads with money at the moment they might pay us? Worth a look...
I agree with John ? and he?s cup tied as well, so no use for Wednesday night either. >There would be little chance of us affording to buy him in ths summer unless City are feeling charitable.
Better than not getting any strikers in though eh? Anichebe is too lazy and can't be trusted to do anything but fall over and/or complain whenever the opposition goes near him.
Jo had a great record before he went to City, and DM has a knack of getting the best out of players, as we all know.
A loan is a no-lose situation, I suppose.
If he?s as shite as he?s looked so far, we?ve not lost anything and can send him back in the summer.
In fairness, his record in Russia was outstanding and he must have something about him for City to have paid £19m last summer. He?s also a full international with Brazil, so he?s clearly no mug. City have even managed to make Robinho look distinctly average so far, so you never know....
Be nice to get a wide player and/or another midfielder as well, though.
A worthless signing in my view ? he won't displace Cahill up front, and he would appear too big a name and ego to sit quietly warming the bench for 4 months.
I would much prefer to see a wide man in, with a bit of pace. The last two weeks have shown that until we can get a midfielder that can carry the ball, we will always struggle to pose a threat against the top sides. Both Osman and Pienaar are too lightweight and slow to make any worthwhile impact in these games.
Mike... Pienaar is slow? You kidding? He’s the fastest guy we have.
I totally agree with James Marshall. Spot on comment regarding Anichebe ? he can't jump and for such a big fella goes down like a sack of shit and then claims he has been decked by a Tyson uppercut. I would like to see Jo come in, fresh start and all that may do him the world of good and us. The wide man debate, would like to see Hunt from Reading coz he wants to play for us and he has a good work rate. Would like to see Bent from Spurs but I think that's a non starter.
Radio5 are reporting that we have approached City about Jo.
Yes, Jo would be alright, but there has also been big rumours in Manchester about Lescott going to City and us getting Dunne back as part of the deal.
This is looks like a classic Moyes signing in the making. Talented and promising player that has lost his way (Arteta, Pienaar) signed on loan initially, almost certainly with a ?to buy? option on the cheap that ends up becoming a bargain. And if not, we can always fuck him off and it wont have cost much. Let?s face it, we need reinforcements so I?d take anyone with two legs at the moment.
Tom, I think City are clutching at straws if they want Lescott ?there's no way he'll go unless Moyes says so. Also being reported today that Arteta is ready to sign a new deal; if true, that's massive for us and would hopefully persuade Lescott to snub any City offer.
Jo would be a good signing ? City never gave him a chance. I think Moyes will have to as injuries and suspensions will be inevitable in the run in.
Would be nice to have someone (a striker) challenging Cahill for top spot!
FFS Jo would be as bad a signing as Alan Smith and only slightly more lethal in the box. DM may as well give one of the kids a shot as Jo, he has proven in the EPL he is shite and Citeh can keep him.
Clutching at straws and just another bum on the payroll offering nothing in return but another warm seat on the bench.
Jo?? A big name?? It’s only two letters!!
I actually believe this guy can prove every one of ye wrong. FFS how can he show his ability on the bench!
Fully agree with Neil Humphrey. It is a classic Moyes signing. If it comes off we?ll have a Brazillian international who?s had a look at the Premier League (albeit from the bench!), and Moyes has a wonderful ability of bringing foreign players round to the rough and tumble of the EPL (Arteta, Pienaar, Cahill, and look how much Fellaini has improved this season), plus agreeing a relatively small transfer fee cos their stock is pretty low. If it doesn?t, it goes the same way as Jeffers, Gravesen (second time), and Gardner. Reckon it?ll be a corker myself!
I agree with Neil Humphrey. Potenially a great signing. If VDM and Saha are worth a punt, so is Jo (though he should really stick an ’e’ on the end of his name). Anything but Big Vic. What has happened to the guy? I really wanna see what the kid Lucas can do, but Moysie sticks to his usuals...as usual... someone email him the word ’substitute’. FFS.
Tom, he has had his chance to prove himself at City, and failed big style, that is why he is on the bench there.
I posted on the 20th Jan (it went into rumours) that Radio Merseyside phone-in had predicted Jo as a very likely target and was already sounded out. Perhaps they were right for once cos it has just been mentioned in TV News that he HAS signed a loan deal. I can?t understand the moaners here ? give the guy a chance! Perhaps being made feel welcome & wanted may boost his confidence and he will show us just how good he is... And yes the way Vic is performing anyone "will do" ? it might even give him a kick up the backside for Wed???
Hi, Jo, hope you become a EVERTON star.... Remember, Duncan Ferguson came on loan first....
Amazing how a penniless club has dodged another expensive bullet and yet could end the season with £34 million worth of transfer talent!
Jo is a 21 year old wonderkid in a strange country, speaking a new language. He lacks confidence, fitness and match practice, surrounded by hostile fans and an immense pressure to perform. Where have I heard this story before???
If he is shit we don’t buy, if he isn?t?
I am also surprised by the possible arrival of Wesley Yemnaine. It appears that Moyes has been scouting a little Football Manager 2010? Could this be the start of something?
I agree with jimmy royston we need to make this lad feel welcome and wanted and we could have a superb player(on evidence from when he was at CSKA) on our hands. welcome to everton jo
Say it IS so, JO!
Come on Moyesy, do some wheelin’ n a’dealin’, duckin’ n a’divin’, nippin’ n a’tuckin’ or there’ll be a whole lot of transfer hair pullin’ goin’ on! (I’ll get me coat!)
....remember when we got Martyn, Kilbane, McFadden and Jeffers all on board in a bumper last day swoop?!
Close to a deal apparently, I?ll be fucking delighted if he signs.
Wesley who Jason? And what?s your sources on this? I hope you're right... the more signings the better.
Jo?s worth a punt, because it?s a no risk situation really. The only problem is though if he does well, I can?t see Everton buying him. Man City are probably using us to give him Premier League experience and then use him next season much more often.
You never know tho! Fingers crossed we get somebody in on loan.
As people have said he looked a very good player until he went to City. Sometimes a player just does not fit with the system played by the manager... just look at Keane with the red shite for an example. Fingers crossed, if we get him, he may just click with us. At least it's a new player that has a chance of coming good. If we have nobody coming in then we have no chance of any improvement. I think Moyes has got everything he can get from the present squad of players. That's my outlook on it anyway.
I would welcome him, if he manages to score goals for us. I wonder now that they have got Shay Given if we could persuade them to give us either Hart or the great dane?s son as well for back-up keeper.
Got to be better than 2 crocked strikers and Anichebe.
@ Mike Gaynes
Pienaar may be the quickest player we have(??) but it says more about the state of our squad than his lightening pace. I can't remember him ever leaving a player for dead?
He obviously hasn’t settled at a schizoid City, so maybe coming into a tight knit intelligent set up where he will be the one striker for the foreseeable future will sort him out and he’ll show us what he can do. We can hope right????
Fulham are in talks with Brian McBride... I?d rather bring him back in on loan than Jo. He may be old but he knows how to hit the back of the net & always puts a shift in.
Just mooching around looking for gossip and stumbled across this in the Manchester Evening News. Seems like they have more respect for DM than some of our own supporters.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/manchester_city/s/1094070_jo_and_ben_haim_close_to_exit
FFS, if it happens it could be great or at worst it?s an option on the bench. If he looked good for City they wouldn?t even think about loaning him out would they?
Mike Whittaker, could not agree more. I do think it is about time that people took off their blue-coloured spectacles regarding Pienaar. As I mentioned elsewhere on another post it amazes me how much stick Osman gets while Pienaar often gets away relatively unscathed. Perhaps the other Mike is using a specially constructed stopwatch to assess Pienaar?s "lightening pace"?
Lightening pace I have often understood as the ability to leave opponents trailing in your wake, so I am really struggling to see where Pienaar has achieved this ? even occasionally ? let alone regularly. (Much as I hate to admit it, I would have thought Ronaldo was unarguably an exponent of "lightening pace", if we are looking for a contemporary exponent of such an ability, and I would certainly "hesitate" at putting Pienaar?s "pace" into that bracket!)
I have long felt that Pienaar actually delivers very little in terms of final impact. How many goals has he contibuted? 2 or 3 perhaps, I am not sure of the actual meagre total. How many incisive final balls has he produced in the box leading to actual goals? Is he strong in the tackle and thus able to fulfil the defensive side of his midfield role? I do not think so.
His inability to engage his brain and his eyes before his legs and feet often sees him appear like a headless chicken often running into blind alleys and dare I say committing some alarming errors at times both offensively AND defensively. Of course he is a bargain at £2 million in today?s climate; of course he is an essential member of the first team squad in our present circumstances... but I am often amazed at how often Osman is crucified and Pienaar is often lauded as some sort of class midfield player!
Of course Osman has limitations as well as abilities and, especially in recent games, he has been sadly ineffective; of course Pienaar has limitations as well as abilities but could anybody tell me why the former has to suffer interminable abuse while the other, while appearing to run around a lot, flattering to deceive, is regarded as beyond realistic analysis let alone criticism? Is it the "local boy syndrome"?
When considering Everton?s midfield needs at present, especially the need for real pace and physical presence, do not let us kid ourselves that Pienaar supplies either. Of course he brings other attributes but I am not too sure that those attributes so far outweigh those of Leon Osman that they elevate him to a station to which, in my opinion, he does not belong.
Henrik Larsson on a free. You heard it here first!
Peanuts is good on the ball but his distribution is poor.
Who the fuck do ye want? Cristiano Ronaldo? Were skint and were signing a 21-year-old Brazilian international, who up until 6 months ago had an average of 1 in every 2 games! Will ye ever cop on?
A loan with an option to buy is pretty much zero risk. If he works out then great, if not it?s Man City?s problem not ours.
Plenty of good South American players have looked awful for their first six months in the Premier League. Tevez looked a sack of shit for West Ham until about March of his first season and then look at him.
Hughes clearly doesn?t like him and so he?s not getting a game. If he plays regularly and gets his confidence up, he could look a different player. If not, and he really is a donkey then, as I say, it?s not really our problem.
Anyway, if anyone can name any better strikers we can sign on loan or for nothing in the next 24 hours, I?m sure DM would want to hear from you...
Pienaar is a class player who puts a shift in, never stops running, not afraid to get stuck in in the tackle and is very skillful.
Brian Waring, Bet you at tenner he proves you wrong if we get him.
People should remember that Jo wasn't actually a Mark Hughes signing, Sven Goran Eriksson set that deal up for this summer before he got the boot so basically Mark Hughes got a player he didn't really want.
I for one don't see a problem with taking Jo on loan for rest of the season, try before you buy kinda thing... what have we to lose? If he does shit then send him back; if he does the buisness then who knows, but seriously can he be any worse than Anichebe?!
You?d think with all the strikers we have out that big Vic would want to come in and stake a claim in the side and show he is capable of being a regular in the team but to me his attitude seems like "I'm the only fit available striker in the side, I'll definitely get a game" and it kinda shows on the pitch because he?s giving us fuck all at the minute.
No wonder Moyesy puts Cahill up there a head of him, not even an out-and-out striker but yet he puts the effort in and does the business. He wants to get his finger out ? does Anichebe the lazy twat! Get Jo in and see what's what, it wouldn?t be a gamble for me!
Another thing, I see Spurs are interested in taking Keane back, I wonder if they sign him it would open up the door for us to take Bent on loan??
I agree, Pienaar provides some extra creativity in a squad lacking in it. His vision for a pass (perhaps not the final ball) has been instrumental in plenty of goals for us and in my opinion is a class above Osman in this respect. As does he work harder. He is slow as shit though. Nonetheless a very important player for us in an effort to spread playmaking duties away from Arteta. Bring on Jo, he can't hurt.
Just seen Bolton are on the verge on signing our former midfield dynamo! I reckon he'd be a good squad filler and we should get him signed up. Hopefully he could take some bookings off Fellaini and recreate a few memorable moments like the 20-yard thunderbolt against the rs!
Keane is available as a striker. Whats not to like? If we sign him immediately maybe he would be available before the Cup tie?
Anyone considered a Loan move for Robbie Keane? I'm sure he's desperate to get away from the fat waiter, even if it's only to the end of the season. He wasn't on the bench against Chelsea either...
Anthony Lamb and Mike Whittaker... maybe it’s your spectacles that are defective if you read any comment from me on Pienaar’s "lightning" pace. All I said was that he’s the fastest we have, which is true -- and yes, as we all know the squad generally lacks pace. Unfortunately, leaving people for dead requires more than speed... it requires skills Pienaar hasn’t got. It’s also true that he contributes almost nothing offensively. But Anthony, I consider him an exceptional ballwinner and he is as good as anybody in the Prem at tracking back and forcing mistakes with pressure, and I think he should get credit for it.
Also, I agree with Anthony’s point that Osman has taken too much unfair stick. I mentioned in another post that early this season, when Cahill was out and Arteta and Lescott were acting brain-dead, Ossie at times was our best player. He’s just worn down from too many minutes and too many nagging injuries. A guy that small (my neighbor’s dog is bigger) simply can’t go the full 90 every game against opponents who are half again larger. He needs rest. I’m hoping DM gives either Gosling or Vic his spot on Wednesday.
As for Jo, what do we have to lose? Cahill’s exhausted and Vic couldn’t score in a cat-house. A turn of late-game speed up front couldn’t hurt to try.
Mark Hughes wants to split up the Brazilian camp at Citeh. I say we grab Elano on loan too.
Stop deluding yourselves....JO IS SHITE...!!
His own fans call him JO...KE !!
He’s so bad that MAN CITY....yes those also rans want shut after 6mths
Major disaster if we sign him....and will once again prove just how good we are in the transfer market.
Tom, I was just answering the point you made. "How can he show his ability on the bench " He has played 9 league games and scored 1 goal, and has been labelled a lazy bastard, who looks like he doesn?t give a fuck, by city fans. Maybe that is why he is on the bench.
I?ll take you up on the tenner bet, and I hope (if he comes) I?m paying you, because that will mean he has done the biz.
One more thing, he will probalby just be sitting on the bench for us most of the time, because Moyes will probalby stick with 4-6-0.
A loan deal is a no lose situation, if he does shit we can let him go in the summer. At £19M he is hardly a Conference player though, and considering he has played ONLY NINE games its very difficult for anyone to rate him just yet.
Does anyone know when the deadline is? At the minute it's looking unlikely.
Gavin ? 5pm today I believe is the cut off.
Just seen on Sky Sports News that the FA are asking Fifa about an extension to the deadline due to the weather.
Nelly,
Don’t worry, we’re not going to sign him - you think Billy Kenwright is suddenly going to pull £15m out the back of the sofa?
I don’t see the problem with taking him on loan? It’s not like we’re overloaded with strikers, and no matter what you say, he’s patently not shite.
Obviously there’s every chance he won’t fit in, in which case we hand him back for City to deal with their expensive mistake.
The only way this could turn out to be a bad thing is if he plays like an absolute legend, carries us to the FA Cup and then the club can’t afford to stump up the money for him in the summer...!
Looks like a done deal according to Sky.
Jo has signed on loan until the end of the season.
...ok, so it appears Jo is cup-tied.
Maybe he’ll just lead our unstoppable march to fourth place then...?
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He?s looked awful every time he?s played. Way off the pace, and looks a bit of a fairy who doesn't fancy the rough stuff. Virtually anonymous.