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Bent, Jo or Asamoah?
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Right, last day of the transfer window today and the press are linking us with Darren Bent, Jo and Asamoah. Which of these (if any) strikers would you prefer to see Moyes secure for the run in?
Bent it seems is surpluss to requirements at Spurs. Never a £16m player but is he worth a punt? Loan with a view to buy perhaps? Low on confidence.
Jo... never really seen him play but again £18m seems excessive. Young players often do take time adjusting to a new league, especially the Premier League. Again maybe worth taking on loan
Asamoah. Showed a lot of promise a couple of years ago and was linked with bigger clubs. Maybe lost his way a tad of late. Bit of an unknow quantity.
I would go with Asamoah then Bent as he knows the league but would be reluctant to rely on Jo to see us through the run final stages of the season.
Oh, and I see another link to Moutinho. Seems people forget we are skint.
Matt Bone, Posted 02/02/2009 at 05:49:48
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I just wonder, with Robbie Keane (according to Sky) on his way to Spurs for a medical, this would leave the door open for us to try and get Bent on loan?
According to the papers (I know), us and Newcastle have been looking at him, but he has supposed to have said he was holding out for a move to us. If that was the case, I would fuck Jo right off, as Bent is miles better. The only problem would be the injury to Defoe.
Jo has signed on loan until the end of the season.
Is he cup-tied?
I don?t think so, as he hasn?t played for City since Boxing Day.
Tom, Iain Jo came on as a sub in the FA Cup against Forest.
This is great news, despite him being cup-tied.
Moyes was after him in the summer and we were priced out of it by City, yet here he is at Everton anyway - the kids scoring record was immense at CSKA so if he get some form for us, he’ll be a right handful.
Whatever your feelings, we do now have a £20m striker on our books.
Moyes was after him in the summer and we were priced out of it by City, yet here he is at Everton anyway - the kids scoring record was immense at CSKA so if he get some form for us, he’ll be a right handful.
Whatever your feelings, we do now have a £20m striker on our books.
OS mentions the signing of Jo. Will be interesting to see how he goes. I didn?t realise he was 6 ft 3! Some good height which is needed up front. How would this addition change our current 1st XI? Difficult to say. Arteta, Neville and Fellaini seem to be the settled middle 3. Possibly Neville move to rightback and Arteta covers the central defensive role. Hard to know. Hibbert has been playing well (defensively) in recent weeks.
Not sure.
Not sure.
It?s an interesting one... He clearly never got the opportunity at City.
I hope the hell Moyes actually uses him, gives him some games and doesn?t let him sit on the bench. Jo in for Osman...
I can?t see it.
I hope the hell Moyes actually uses him, gives him some games and doesn?t let him sit on the bench. Jo in for Osman...
I can?t see it.
Surely we’ll stick with 4-5-1, Jo up front on his tod? Cahill dropping into midfield and Osman making way would be the preferred option for me.
Hes better then Anichebe but lads, he's a different style of striker than we've ever had. You might not notice him playing but in the box he's magic.
Just noticed on the OS that there is no mention of an option to buy.... If this is the case, then I don?t understand this kind of thing... Where exactly is the motivation in such a signing!
Ciaran - we dont have any strikers other than Anichebe, we don't have any money to spend either. I think that about covers it!
I am too gutted there is no option to buy. If he is crap then he can just go back, but if he has a stormer we’ll push his price up and miss out!
The option to buy wouldn?t kick in until the summer..
I?ve expected the fact that we have no money during this window... but I would expect some money to be there in the summer.
Not having an option to buy would be very short-sighted.
I?ve expected the fact that we have no money during this window... but I would expect some money to be there in the summer.
Not having an option to buy would be very short-sighted.
Every time I?ve seen Jo play for Citeh he?s looked half a yard off the pace and a little bit lost for ideas... I hope Moysie has seen something I?ve not.
Re the option to buy... he?s cover till the end of the season. Yak will be back next season and so will Vaughan... I think Big Vic will be on his way to the Championship.
Re the option to buy... he?s cover till the end of the season. Yak will be back next season and so will Vaughan... I think Big Vic will be on his way to the Championship.
Ciaran,
Motivation??? Could it perhaps be something to do with the fact he?s a striker and we have no stirkers??? Just a stab in the dark, but I could be right.
Motivation??? Could it perhaps be something to do with the fact he?s a striker and we have no stirkers??? Just a stab in the dark, but I could be right.
Jo smacks of desperation but given the choice Bent would be a better player... only trouble is BK is potless so we may as well be linked to Kaka and have as much chance as signing him too.
Agree with Kev Sparke about Jo; he looks out of his depth when I?ve seen him play at Middle Eastlands.
Agree with Kev Sparke about Jo; he looks out of his depth when I?ve seen him play at Middle Eastlands.
No-one knows for sure that we don't have an option to buy. We?ll probably know the facts when Moyes or a club official speaks to the media. The price is usually already agreed too.
What's happened to Seamus Coleman? Jo is probably the only signing...
At the start of the season Moyes wanted Jo on loan (try before you buy). We have him. Good business? Fuck yes!
Drogba had the same first season at Chelsea. Fans thought he was a girly-boy who couldn?t hack the Premier League and wanted Crespo back? and now? Jo is his 21-year-old clone (who needs a bit of muscle, a bit of confidence and something to fight for, say? Europe).
My point: 9 games does not a Premier League striker make! Even Yakubu and Felliani were lost when they arrived.
The league doesn?t lie. We are better than them! Our players are more settled, our manager more talented and focused, our fans more inviting and tolerant, our history?
I am sure that if we get behind Jo he will work hard to pay back the faith shown in him, be loyal to those who believed in him, develop a healthy love for our club, engineer a transfer (making him a little bit cheaper), and? oh yeah? score!
I hope we?ve agreed a fee below the £12million watershed. Then the Jo..ke is on them.
We now have 2 of the 4 main transfer targets of the summer (combined price of £34 million). Not bad for a penniless club!
Drogba had the same first season at Chelsea. Fans thought he was a girly-boy who couldn?t hack the Premier League and wanted Crespo back? and now? Jo is his 21-year-old clone (who needs a bit of muscle, a bit of confidence and something to fight for, say? Europe).
My point: 9 games does not a Premier League striker make! Even Yakubu and Felliani were lost when they arrived.
The league doesn?t lie. We are better than them! Our players are more settled, our manager more talented and focused, our fans more inviting and tolerant, our history?
I am sure that if we get behind Jo he will work hard to pay back the faith shown in him, be loyal to those who believed in him, develop a healthy love for our club, engineer a transfer (making him a little bit cheaper), and? oh yeah? score!
I hope we?ve agreed a fee below the £12million watershed. Then the Jo..ke is on them.
We now have 2 of the 4 main transfer targets of the summer (combined price of £34 million). Not bad for a penniless club!
Damian,
I meant motivation for the player to actually perform, rather than sitting on the bench waiting for the loan period to expire.
As for Vaughan... well, the less said about that the better. He?s an OK player, who?s had more injuries than Evil Kenevil...
I meant motivation for the player to actually perform, rather than sitting on the bench waiting for the loan period to expire.
As for Vaughan... well, the less said about that the better. He?s an OK player, who?s had more injuries than Evil Kenevil...
The shite have just accepted a bid for Keane (Sky Sports News) maybe Bent will arrive at Goodison too. Can't see him settling for being fourth choice striker again and reports this morning claim he?s holding out for a move to us. You never know!
Lewis how do you come to the conclusion that Bent (if we tried to get him) would be 4th choice striker?
He is better (in my opinion) than Saha, Jo and Vaughan. So, along with the Yaki he would be the main strike force.
He is better (in my opinion) than Saha, Jo and Vaughan. So, along with the Yaki he would be the main strike force.
I meant 4th choice for Spurs!
Can?t believe I said the Yaki, thing is though, I was eating one of my other half?s home-made sticky toffee buns while I was typing it!
Great signing IMO, I hope theres a buy clause though
Apologies Lewis, I thought you meant if he came to us.
Robert: "Great signing" ? let's not go down that road, until we see him play for us.
Robert: "Great signing" ? let's not go down that road, until we see him play for us.
Have to say I think its a fantastic bit of business as I wasn?t expecting us to sign anyone. An international (for Brazil no less) on loan 'til the end of the season, while we have one healthy striker (who?s been playing right wing). The rest of the squad have been doing us proud but you can tell the recent schedule is beginning to take its toll. We need more bodies so we?re not completely knackered by the end of the season (again) and Jo fits the bill. Hopefully he?ll come good for us and if not then he?s off back to City in the summer (just as we?re getting some strikers back). No-lose situation in my opinion.
Just hearing a rumble that we night get Chris Eagles from Burnley - AvdM to go in the other direction?
You heard it here first!
You heard it here first!
Being linked with Kevin Kuranyi now
Sky sports news just said Moyes is in the process of trying to get Kevin Kuranyi on loan...
Arshavin to Arsenal looks done.
Kuranyi? Hmm, not on my watch!
Kuranyi? Hmm, not on my watch!
I know we?re all in a bit of a frenzy, but Keane to Spurs is just mental on the part of the waiter ? that leaves then with Torres & Ngog, plus Kuyt.
Odd, very odd.
Odd, very odd.
Lukas Jutkiewicz has gone to Huddersfield on loan ? no further business for us; the Kuranyi thing is dead and my Eagles shout was bollocks.
Obligatory Youtube compilation...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XZBkE7hIwTQ
Make no mistake this lad knows where the onion bag is!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XZBkE7hIwTQ
Make no mistake this lad knows where the onion bag is!
Expected nothing and we get a 21-year-old international striker - and not injured, as far as we know! Let?s hope we know how to use him better than Sparky did at the mystic Eastlands. His scoring record in Russia was impressive.
Just seen the interview on EvertonTV. Interestingly he says that whilst it is only on loan at the moment, if he does well for Everton and we want him, he’ll be delighted to sign for us.
He says it has been a tough settling in period at City but he now feels ready and is confident he can help Everton finish as high up the table as possible.
Obviously you’d expect him to say what you wanna hear, but he seems a bright lad and genuinely happy to be at a great Football Club.
Welcome aboard Jo, COYB!
He says it has been a tough settling in period at City but he now feels ready and is confident he can help Everton finish as high up the table as possible.
Obviously you’d expect him to say what you wanna hear, but he seems a bright lad and genuinely happy to be at a great Football Club.
Welcome aboard Jo, COYB!
The problem among City fans with him Keith, seems to be his work-rate, he wanted everything served on a plate, and wasn?t willing to put a shift in. I reckon that's why Hughe?s got pissed-off with him. Hughes and Moyes are in the same mould of manager, so if Hughes couldn?t get a shift out of him, I don?t know if Moyes could either. You never know though, as the togetherness of the Everton lads is head and shoulders above that of City.
Just watched the youtube video of Jo and he scored some great goals for CSKA, a mixture of long range and poachers finishes. Just hope Moyes can get him to perform like this for us because there's no doubt he?s got talent.
Mr Marshall, was your Eagles shout deliberately bollocks or were you mis-informed?
It was on the BBC ?live-text? thingy, Lyndon ? I was mis-informed.
Looks like the Arshavin deal is off - ha. ha.
Looks like the Arshavin deal is off - ha. ha.
Gotta say, re: Arshavin that as small-minded as it may seem I feel that if we can’t have him then I don’t want anyone having him :)
I?ve just watched the video too ? bloody hell. Two feet (I thought he was right sided until he knocked a pen in with his left, and then that free kick too), and not only tall, but good with his head. And fast. A combination of him and the Big Fella should frighten any defence, and they might forget to mark Timmy too.
But Brian, you?re right. To get anything out of him the good balls are going to have to be played ? not hopeful hoofs, but good crosses, lay-offs and threaded passes. And for the first time in years we have a midfield plus at least Baines from LB capable of doing these things.
And the same was said about Yak when he came ? and he started scoring straight off. By heck, I?m starting to get mildly optimistic.
But Brian, you?re right. To get anything out of him the good balls are going to have to be played ? not hopeful hoofs, but good crosses, lay-offs and threaded passes. And for the first time in years we have a midfield plus at least Baines from LB capable of doing these things.
And the same was said about Yak when he came ? and he started scoring straight off. By heck, I?m starting to get mildly optimistic.
The more I think about this, the more excited I?m getting. Not that I want to resort to always relying on set pieces but think how dangerous we will be with Lescott, Cahill, Felli, and now Jo (at 6?3?? he requires some attention) from corners and ball?s into the box. We STILL need a pacy wide player on the right but I?m pretty happy with the events of today (especially as I expected absolutely nothing).
YES, good signing..... I guess.
Just how will we fit him in? If we drop Osman do we put Jo on the wing insted or piss off Artetta and put him there. Do we drop Hibbo and put Phil Nev there and expect Arteta to fight like Phil does? Cahill cannot operate as a regular midfielder. It's been tried many times.
If we went on and signed him and played him with the Yak next year, we would have to drop Cahill. A 4-3-1-2 dropping Osman and Pienaar playing the Yak-Jo-Cahill up front.
I guess what I am asking is whether 4-4-2 or 4-5-1, 4-3-3 what players would you all like, in what formation? Don't wanna mess with team spirit or a strong work ethic... Will the Yak or Jo work as hard defending from the front?
Just how will we fit him in? If we drop Osman do we put Jo on the wing insted or piss off Artetta and put him there. Do we drop Hibbo and put Phil Nev there and expect Arteta to fight like Phil does? Cahill cannot operate as a regular midfielder. It's been tried many times.
If we went on and signed him and played him with the Yak next year, we would have to drop Cahill. A 4-3-1-2 dropping Osman and Pienaar playing the Yak-Jo-Cahill up front.
I guess what I am asking is whether 4-4-2 or 4-5-1, 4-3-3 what players would you all like, in what formation? Don't wanna mess with team spirit or a strong work ethic... Will the Yak or Jo work as hard defending from the front?
With 14 PL games to go, there should be enough opportunity for it all to work out for the new man. And if we’re baying for Moyes to sign him, how much would we get for Yak to be able to afford him?
And if it doesn’t work out, Yak will be back anyway.
And if it doesn’t work out, Yak will be back anyway.
Jason Broome I really hope your comment about our fans being "more inviting and tolerant" was written in jest as quite righlty we let lazy turds know they are lazy turds a la Biffa Beattie. I’ll give the lad the benefit of the doubt and be one of the first to post my surprise and apologies if he does turn out to be a cracker but from what I’ve seen he looks lazy and off the pace for the EPL, the Russian league make Vagner Love look good and he really is shite and overpriced.
Does anyone else wish we?d signed Boswinga?
Sorry Lyndon.
Arshavin is a Gooner after all...
Sorry Lyndon.
Arshavin is a Gooner after all...
Gavin, what makes you say Vagner Love is shite? Do you watch him regularly?
Can't say I watch him regularly myself but I have seen him play (Uefa Cup and internationals) and watched clips on YouTube of some of his goals and like Jo some of his finishing is quality. I don't care what league you're in, if you can score with your right and left foot from 2 yards up to 30 yards out from all different angles and on a regular basis then you have quality in my book. That applies to Jo and Love.
Can't say I watch him regularly myself but I have seen him play (Uefa Cup and internationals) and watched clips on YouTube of some of his goals and like Jo some of his finishing is quality. I don't care what league you're in, if you can score with your right and left foot from 2 yards up to 30 yards out from all different angles and on a regular basis then you have quality in my book. That applies to Jo and Love.
Instead of beaking Kenwright?s door down in a demand for renforcements, Moyes mildly aquiesces and settles for a waster like Jo. Don?t post on here about lack of squad numbers! Moyes is so bloody arrogant and so far up the boss's arse he really thinks he can serve up a sixth position with what he?s got to hand.
Well, we shall see about that!
Well, we shall see about that!
The only Russian team I’ve seen within living memory was Zenit. They looked like a decent club to me - would have given any PL team a hard game, and went on to win the competition. Zenit had just become Russian champions, but Jo etc weren’t playing in the 3rd Division North on this evidence.
Hi Derek Taylor, I thought Moyes did bang on the door and demand money (in the summer). Truth is he lost out playing hardball with Kenwright but unlike Keegan he did not fuck off and leave us in the shit. In fact, whatever shit he caused by delaying his contract, he has dug us out of.
If he thinks that he can serve up 6th with this squad, then so do I ? after all, he took us to 4th with a very poor squad indeed.
The cold wind of financial reality is begining to bite. In order to bring in Jo we have had to let 3 fringe players go out on loan.
Note to the strange dealings of Spurs, I can?t remember 3 players returning to a club they have so recently left. It must have something to do with cash-flow from the original buyers. Note also that as well as the departure of Keane a few other Anfield fringe players left as well.
Jo may or may not work out, only time will tell, but at least he?s an experienced player with a point to prove to all his doubters. I am relieved that we didn?t lose any of our more established players in this window. I think the summer will be more of the same with little chance to add players to the squad due to budgetry limitations.
Just had a ganders at that you tube vid and I am impressed. He reminds me of a lefty Adebayor / Kenwyne Jones..
He does look a little lazy, but in striker lazy fashion / yak mould (not as bad a one Dimitar tho).
This ones optimistic!
He does look a little lazy, but in striker lazy fashion / yak mould (not as bad a one Dimitar tho).
This ones optimistic!
So, what exactly has happened regarding the expected signing of Coleman from Sligo Rovers? I did read that he is highly thought of, one for the future etc and so I am assuming that we have missed out on him and he will end up a world beater with the Manure or Shite.
Jo is the player with the shortest name ever to have signed for Everton. But who had the longest name?
Plus with Jo and Fellaini, have we got the most hair in the Premier League?
Gavin Ramejkis, our fans ARE a very patient bunch. Some are still awaiting the second coming of Andy vd Meyde. You should hear them ?It?s only been 4 years? give the lad a chance!?
Man City are star struck cowards who acquired ?loadsamoney? and a zero tolerance on failure. Talk about pressure. He?s a kid. A wonder-kid, but still a kid.
When I was 21 I was trying to conquer Ingelae Svensson?s perfectly formed? ahem. I eventually succeeded, and boy was I pleased with myself! How must Jô feel having to rise to the challenge of the EPL.
Jô would have stayed put if he was content to be a lazy bastard. Instead he?s joined the hardest working team in the country. He wants to play, he wants to succeed and I suspect he has a point to prove.
The good news is that after Wednesday our opposition become a tad bit easier. That should allow him the opportunity to prove his worth.
No-one dares question his ability. His goal ratio speaks for itself and he has Lineker?s goalscoring radar (a natural instinct). All that is in question is his heart.
I believe he?s finally come to the right club but will 3½ months be enough?
Man City are star struck cowards who acquired ?loadsamoney? and a zero tolerance on failure. Talk about pressure. He?s a kid. A wonder-kid, but still a kid.
When I was 21 I was trying to conquer Ingelae Svensson?s perfectly formed? ahem. I eventually succeeded, and boy was I pleased with myself! How must Jô feel having to rise to the challenge of the EPL.
Jô would have stayed put if he was content to be a lazy bastard. Instead he?s joined the hardest working team in the country. He wants to play, he wants to succeed and I suspect he has a point to prove.
The good news is that after Wednesday our opposition become a tad bit easier. That should allow him the opportunity to prove his worth.
No-one dares question his ability. His goal ratio speaks for itself and he has Lineker?s goalscoring radar (a natural instinct). All that is in question is his heart.
I believe he?s finally come to the right club but will 3½ months be enough?
To those who say ?what has Jo got to prove (on a pure loan)? and if he didn?t succeed at City why will he here, I?d say one word - Manny. He came (twice) on loan and IMHO did really well for us. We got much more out of him that Portsmouth.
Jo will be motivated to prove to himself and others that he can hack it in the EPL, become a big name, get a spot in the Brazilian team etc. Hopefully, Moyes (including his staff and team) will be able to get much more out of him than City did.
One thing to remember with Jo is he came to City with no pre-season training and therefore was thrown in totally unprepared for the Prem.
I think like with Manny we will have to wait for the last few games of the season for him to produce but what a prospect.
Don't forget he is filling the REAL Ronaldo?s boots for Brazil and was amazing in the Russian league and Ok it?s not the prem but it?s certainly a cut above the Scottish prem so it?s not a major step up.
Just be patient till the lad gets fit then watch him go.
I think like with Manny we will have to wait for the last few games of the season for him to produce but what a prospect.
Don't forget he is filling the REAL Ronaldo?s boots for Brazil and was amazing in the Russian league and Ok it?s not the prem but it?s certainly a cut above the Scottish prem so it?s not a major step up.
Just be patient till the lad gets fit then watch him go.
The formation question posed by Neil Farrell is the thing I?d like someone much more knowledgeable than myself to address.
I think we?ve found a system that works incredibly well in the 4-5-1. The 4-4-2 I wasn?t happy with at all when we tinkered with it earlier in the season. And as far a I?m concerned, Cahill in that attacking midfielder / lay-off CF role is the way to go. If he?s healthy he?s got to be in the lineup. The guy is everything you want and produces.
I think we?ve found a system that works incredibly well in the 4-5-1. The 4-4-2 I wasn?t happy with at all when we tinkered with it earlier in the season. And as far a I?m concerned, Cahill in that attacking midfielder / lay-off CF role is the way to go. If he?s healthy he?s got to be in the lineup. The guy is everything you want and produces.
Putting the fringe guys on loan to get Jo was good business. I think if he comes in here and works his socks off (questionable) we?d try to keep him by selling an asset (Yak).
In short, I see us as a 4-5-1 team. The striker will be Yak or Jo, depending on how Jo performs and IF he does whether we can off-load Yak to afford him.
Either way next year we have Yak or Jo up top. Not a bad choice to have considering we can?t afford a field mouse at this juncture.
Any thoughts on the formation / lineup going forward?
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