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Spitting the dummy
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Just read the link to The Sun to see that big ponce Anichebe had a training ground bust up with Moyes. Now in every match I've seen him play, the lad has shown nothing apart from the art of sitting on his lazy fat arse as he throws himself to the ground.
in this article it state's that he's upset about not leading the front line, as he's the only fit striker we've had, but if this lazy bastard showed the type of commitment as Timmy does week-in, week-out he would have a fair case, but the fact is he doesn't, the fact that he's worn the famous blue shirt is to me a disgrace.
Now that we've signed Jô from City, I'd drop him altogether, as his opinion of his own skill level is vastly different to everyone concerned with EVERTON FOOTBALL CLUB!
In short, fuck him off as he's not worth it!
Gary Lawler, Posted 03/02/2009 at 23:27:57
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If there is any truth to this I have two thoughts:
Could it be that he has had several chances to prove his worth and has been found lacking? He might just be at the end of his rope and lashing out in frustration.
The alternative is he has a high opinion of himself and is chucking a tantrum. If that's the case, piss him off, but only when we have alternatives.
Could it be that he has had several chances to prove his worth and has been found lacking? He might just be at the end of his rope and lashing out in frustration.
The alternative is he has a high opinion of himself and is chucking a tantrum. If that's the case, piss him off, but only when we have alternatives.
If true (on the Eve of our biggest game) what a total selfish bastard!
Of late he had the greatest opportunity of any to prove himself worthy of a first team place, yet failed to capitalize on a position treasured by our most gifted legends. As a result David Moyes was forced to sign Jô and Big Vic pisses in his nappy.
At least Andy van der Meyde will have a driving buddy when they revoke his pass and kick his lazy arse out of Goodison!
In 3 years time expect to see a shady pixeled resemblance in Fifa 2012 turning out for Scunthorpe!
Personally I?d go the other way and use reverse psychology! An hour or two before the game get him on his own and tell him he?s playing, also tell him if he doesn?t stretch every muscle and use every ounce of his energy that he?s dropped for the next 5+ games. If he can?t pick up that particular gauntlet then he?s definately not worth bothering with!
According to a rumour on WSAG, Anichebe has been dropped for tonight’s game and James Wallace will take his place on the bench. I suppose we’ll find out this evening...
Who or what does he think he is, he should take a look back at some of our previous "with potential" strikers... the names Jeffers, Branch, Cadamarteri and Chadwick spring to mind...
I just read that article, too. That?s not a good situation right before what I consider to be the match of the year (for us, not the shite as they are shite, fucking red shite). I really wish Gosling could be given a chance!
Here we go, cue every cheap shot you can muster, dont worry about facts mind . . . nobody else will
When an article is posted attacking the latest whipping boy, calling him a "Ponce" and a "lazy bastard", lets face it the guy who penned it isnt looking for a ballanced debate
Anichebe was blamed for the shites goal at Anfield - even though he was in their half.
He was blamed for Arsenals goal - even though he was in their half.
He was slaughtered after at OT even though he was only given last few minutes to try to make up for Fellaini and Cahill (yes cahill ) stinking old trafford out
Now you’ve found a reason to blame him BEFORE the fucken match has kicked off !!!
If, like just about every pro who’s ever played the game, he has spat the dummy, dont you think he is entitled to question a manager who plays him out of position whenever he does get a game, or sends him on with 2-3 minutes to go, with the inspirational "go and win it for me son " ringing in his ears
Jason Broome
try watching the games lad.
"This great opportunity" consisted of Vic being injured himself, Moyes playing him wide at Anfield where he played very well, then he found himself on the bench, he got 5-6 minutes against Arsenal, and about 18 minutes at Old Trafford . . some opportunity
When an article is posted attacking the latest whipping boy, calling him a "Ponce" and a "lazy bastard", lets face it the guy who penned it isnt looking for a ballanced debate
Anichebe was blamed for the shites goal at Anfield - even though he was in their half.
He was blamed for Arsenals goal - even though he was in their half.
He was slaughtered after at OT even though he was only given last few minutes to try to make up for Fellaini and Cahill (yes cahill ) stinking old trafford out
Now you’ve found a reason to blame him BEFORE the fucken match has kicked off !!!
If, like just about every pro who’s ever played the game, he has spat the dummy, dont you think he is entitled to question a manager who plays him out of position whenever he does get a game, or sends him on with 2-3 minutes to go, with the inspirational "go and win it for me son " ringing in his ears
Jason Broome
try watching the games lad.
"This great opportunity" consisted of Vic being injured himself, Moyes playing him wide at Anfield where he played very well, then he found himself on the bench, he got 5-6 minutes against Arsenal, and about 18 minutes at Old Trafford . . some opportunity
As I see it, this is a bad outcome for us. We need money. Victor has not and will never cut the mustard for us. Before this happened I was hoping we could have off loaded him fairly easily, putting on our best poker face in convincing some other suckers that he was a Premiership level player and to pay that level price for him (like we successfully did with McFadden, Davies etc.). Now everybody knows (a) we don’t rate him and (b) he’s got dummy spitting big time Charlie trouble written all over him.
Dave do you know the lad personally? his body language and work rate for a young and up and coming kid are a joke, Moyes has had a go at him before over his work rate and rightly so.
Matthew Salem, 100 % Agree
Get Gosling in!
Get Gosling in!
Dave, let's get one fact straight: Vic did not play well at Anfield, he was his usual piss poor lazy self and yes the goal can be directly attributed to him as if he hadn?t gone down like a sack of shoite in the box then they wouldn?t have come straight up the other end and scored.
NO ONE KNOWS WHAT OCCURRED and thank God you are not a jury member. Anichebe is the guy who won the foul against Benayoun when Cahill scored our goal. He had a decent game in that match so who else would have been in that position when the free kick was awarded?? Certain players are above criticism in your eyes so you single out whipping boys. Find out the truth before you castigate players... you are only guessing!!
I have to say I agree with most comments about him being lazy. Against the Shite when he fell on his ass rather than shooting and against the Manure he moaned like a baby when he got tackeled or the ball was intercepted. I have to say the reason we are doing so well is mainly because of the team spirit, but Anichebe (and Fellani of late) arent pulling their weight. Tim Cahill is running his ass of as are the rest of them, but those two barely break into a jog. AND BEFORE you shoot me down, watch them tonight and rewatch the Manure game.
I read in the Mail that Phil Brown tried to take Vic on loan just before the deadline... Could be shipped out at the end of the season but Moyes has always had high hopes for him till now.
Dave, it is more than just scapegoating Anichebe. I for one don?t enjoy criticizing him, because I like to make positive statements of anybody in Royal Blue. But I just don?t feel is adding anything to the team at present and I feel he did have a few chances and looked unconvincing, even disinterested.
I have a lot more sympathy for the likes of Castillo, who in my humble opinion started well when everybody else was shite and for some reason vanished from the radar screen. His performance against the shite was hardly a chance, just a 24-hour call-up.
I have it on good authority that Moyes sees Anichebe as nothing more that a Championship player ? surprisingly, he sees Vaughan the same way???
I think Vic trys his best, but as we are all well aware, he will never be good enough to play at this level.
I have only just read about this training ground bust up and have been posting in Anichebe?s defence on another TW article.
Assuming it is true, I would have to say I am not surprised. I do not condone his actions, but can understand why he is frustrated. He is a striker who clearly feels as if he is going through a frustrating spell over the last couple of months and, despite there being no obvious alternative, not being given the chance to play his way through it. He probably hasn?t had such a disappointing spell in his career yet and doesn?t know how best to rect to it.
Assuming it is true, I would have to say I am not surprised. I do not condone his actions, but can understand why he is frustrated. He is a striker who clearly feels as if he is going through a frustrating spell over the last couple of months and, despite there being no obvious alternative, not being given the chance to play his way through it. He probably hasn?t had such a disappointing spell in his career yet and doesn?t know how best to rect to it.
Remember he is 20 and has sent most of the last 18 years being among the best at what he does for his age group. This is his first dose of reality of the standards expected at the highest domestic level. Let him have his little tantrum and let?s see if he comes out of it a better, more determined player.
This so-called ?event? says more about Moyes?s management / interpersonal skills than it says anything about Vic ? but as usual it?s always the players to blame here, never the manager - he?s god!
When the manager says ’jump’, you are to respond ’how high?’
A professional player should play wherever the manager tells to you. Lescott’s stint at LB did him no harm, nor Cahill at striker.
A professional player should play wherever the manager tells to you. Lescott’s stint at LB did him no harm, nor Cahill at striker.
Dave is of course correct... and you lot should hang your heads in shame... by making this criticism you are of course trying to destroy a 20-year-old...
Vic?s snivelling, diving and thoroughly hapless attitude and play have nothing absolutely to do with it at all.
Shame on you all!
Vic?s snivelling, diving and thoroughly hapless attitude and play have nothing absolutely to do with it at all.
Shame on you all!
Nobody beside Davie Moyes and Vic know whether this tripe is true or not, since when has the Scum been a purveyor of honesty FFS? If DM drops him tonight then that could also be down to him doing very little to prove his worth while he has been our only fit striker and possibly nothing to do with this big time charlie nonsense.
I’m not happy myself with the way the lad has played; going down far too easily and his first and second touch and not choosing a pass letting him down far too often. Whether we the fans and supporters think he is shite or not, the final decision as to his futuree lies with the manager and the club as they control his contract and registration, a potless short manned club that may be keeping hold of him as we simply don’t have any other strikers for all matches (Jo is cup tied) or because they might still think as a young kid he might still have a future at the club be it as a sub or sent out on loan to return a better player when we are fully manned again.
I’m not happy myself with the way the lad has played; going down far too easily and his first and second touch and not choosing a pass letting him down far too often. Whether we the fans and supporters think he is shite or not, the final decision as to his futuree lies with the manager and the club as they control his contract and registration, a potless short manned club that may be keeping hold of him as we simply don’t have any other strikers for all matches (Jo is cup tied) or because they might still think as a young kid he might still have a future at the club be it as a sub or sent out on loan to return a better player when we are fully manned again.
Mini Yak, just a baby in my opinion; his actions on the eve of the biggest game of the season are selfish and childish ? reserves for the rest of the season hopefully, then let Preston have him!!!!
He needs a reality check, Cahill is a midfielder and a more effective striker! It's all about the team ? not just him. Perhaps if he spent more time on his feet he would be more effective!!!!
COYB!!!!
He needs a reality check, Cahill is a midfielder and a more effective striker! It's all about the team ? not just him. Perhaps if he spent more time on his feet he would be more effective!!!!
COYB!!!!
Unusually Gavin Ramejkis we?re in agreement! This seems a bit of a mad debate to be having over something that, if it is true, will likely have been potentially dramatised by the pen of a hack. Let?s wait until the story hasn?t been filtered through the gauze of The Sun.
I agree with most that Vic has his shortcomings but, maybe I?m in the minority, I still think he has potential. You can train a player to stay on his feet and you can train him to put more effort in, which most would agree are his faults. With the ball at his feet running at people he looked like a player.
I agree with most that Vic has his shortcomings but, maybe I?m in the minority, I still think he has potential. You can train a player to stay on his feet and you can train him to put more effort in, which most would agree are his faults. With the ball at his feet running at people he looked like a player.
To clarify, I?m thinking of Vic in the Anfield game...
Barry Lightfoot
You epitomise everything thats so distateful about this witchunt.
The shite scored their goal from a goal kick, We had ELEVEN men on the pitch and therefore behind the ball when they took it.
How does that get to be our least experienced players fault ?
Your blinded by your hatred and talking utter bollocks
Paul Gladwell
No I dont know him and if I’m honest I dont even know if he’ll ever prove good enough,
but I would jump to the defence of any Everton player who is on the recieving end of the spitefully inaccurate stats I see posted on here, the idiotic untruths, and the hateful name calling.
We’ve had many, many players down the years who were deemed not good enough, but the bile aimed at this guy -barely out of his teens - is totally unprecedented
I actually want him to leave, because I feel ashamed of the treatment he’s recieving from this Lynch mob
You epitomise everything thats so distateful about this witchunt.
The shite scored their goal from a goal kick, We had ELEVEN men on the pitch and therefore behind the ball when they took it.
How does that get to be our least experienced players fault ?
Your blinded by your hatred and talking utter bollocks
Paul Gladwell
No I dont know him and if I’m honest I dont even know if he’ll ever prove good enough,
but I would jump to the defence of any Everton player who is on the recieving end of the spitefully inaccurate stats I see posted on here, the idiotic untruths, and the hateful name calling.
We’ve had many, many players down the years who were deemed not good enough, but the bile aimed at this guy -barely out of his teens - is totally unprecedented
I actually want him to leave, because I feel ashamed of the treatment he’s recieving from this Lynch mob
I have never really rated Big Vic, but I am digusted with the way people treat him on here. I haven't really seen him get fed any particularly inviting balls that he?s even had a chance to do anything with. It seems he only gets the ball facing his own defence, with three defenders around him.
I don't know the stats, but I don't remember him having a particularly good run in the side. However, I do remember him causing Carvalho and Terry hell last year when he came on. But, that doesn't mean to say I think he is good enough. I think it's step too far for him to have the pressure of being the only striker at his age.
The thing that makes me laugh though, are that the ones slating him, are also some of the people asking for Lukas to be given a chance, like he is some kind of saviour who is being overlooked. Most of the people probably have NEVER even seen him play!!
It may well be that Vic is frustrated, he sees another striker coming in and he can?t get a game. So just why is that? well, might have something to do with the fact that he hasn?t endeared himself to anyone with his workrate? Let's face it, when a player loses form they often try to compensate with effort.
One can understand that, at least you may give it everything you have even if its not working for you. But the fact is he looks as if he is somewhere else and not at the game. When players around you are hurling themselves around its infectious... at least it should be.
At 20, Vic has a lot to learn; as it stands this season he has not fired, not looked inspired and he should be looking at himself rather than looking to find excuses or demand to lead the line.... Which brings me to the last point I want to make.
The Sun. If I was stuck in the jungle without toilet paper I wouldn?t use it.. it's a dreadful excuse for a newspaper. Lies more lies and dammed lies. Time and time again that rag has condemned this club and the people of Liverpool. If you believe all you read in it you need your head testing... give it a miss because its never accurate, never true just a load of you know what.
Vic has had a very bad week. Yes, he got the stick for the goal at Anfield. Yes, he was told on Sunday he was going out on loan to Hull (decision later rescinded). Yes, he was left out of the squad for tonight ? without explanation. Only when he asked Moyes for a reason was he told ?he wasn?t up to the level required?.
Vic says he?s been in the dog-house ever since he went to the Olympics against the manager?s will and the only help he?s had with his game is from Yakubu. Make of it what you will, but you can see why the kid blew his top.
Dave it is just a pity people never had the same backing for our captain whom, even when playing badly, never hid, always wanted the ball, and never sulked like a spoilt brat.
Yes, the lad is young and does not need stick but you don't have to be experienced to work hard and put a shift in; myself and many others think he seldom does that.
When Vic first got in the team, the bloke next to me said that his son used to play in the same team as him and he couldn?t understand how he?d made it. It seemed that up until that point, Vic had done everything possible to give himself a chance of being a pro footballer.
His Premier League goals tally was boosted by the knack that players sometimes have when they start of being in the right place when the ball bounces round the 6-yard box. Chadwick had it at first. and he was never going to be good enough.
Vic has fallen away and his admiration for the Yak seems to have led to him acquiring his less desirable attributes. Vic has become lazy and looks to fall to the ground for little reason. If he had the Yak?s ability to score 20 goals per season, he might be excused this. Technically, he is nowhere near good enough for this league and if he?s not going to try then he is not long for this league. Frankly, Hull should?ve been seen as suitable punishment for him. If they?re in this league next year, they?ll not escape again.
His Premier League goals tally was boosted by the knack that players sometimes have when they start of being in the right place when the ball bounces round the 6-yard box. Chadwick had it at first. and he was never going to be good enough.
Vic has fallen away and his admiration for the Yak seems to have led to him acquiring his less desirable attributes. Vic has become lazy and looks to fall to the ground for little reason. If he had the Yak?s ability to score 20 goals per season, he might be excused this. Technically, he is nowhere near good enough for this league and if he?s not going to try then he is not long for this league. Frankly, Hull should?ve been seen as suitable punishment for him. If they?re in this league next year, they?ll not escape again.
If, IF, this report is true, and Big Victor has refused to participate in training, had an almighty row with Steve Round, told Moyes to Foxtrot Oscar and then needed to be escorted from Finch Farm, he should be stuck on the transfer list ASAP and never play for us again. The fact I believe him to be a complete pile of crap doesn?t even come into it. If Cahill or Arteta had behaved in the same manner I would take the same stance. Probably.
May I just back up Christine’s point and say that I would rather wipe my arse my rusty bit of barbed wire than read that unfounded piece of crap that calls itself "The Scum", even if it is proved to be true.
Ibrahim A, If as you say, Yakubu is the lads mentor, that says a lot. What were the most embarassing dives ever seen from a Everton player? Come on down! Mr Yakubu!
Someone like Neville should take the lad under his wing. What he needs is a few down to earth truths about his ability and attititude and how to improve them. He does not need a self-centred Yakubu, our much travelled star who regularly hits the ground for no apparent reason.
The actual incident doesn?t worry me at all. Due to being paid crazy wages and living in a world that daily arrests their development as adults, 99% of today?s footballers have a deluded idea about their own abilities. Consequently it?s not a surprise to find a ten year old Victor thinks he knows more than Moyes.
What does worry me slightly, is how an incident that took place in Finch Farm makes the ?news?, on the day we?re to play Evil FC in the cup. I?m guessing, reporters wearing Trilby hats and trench-coats, aren?t allowed to wander about the place with notepads, so who said what and to who and why?
As for the levels of vitriol aimed at young Victor by some here, let me remind you of a couple of facts.
Duncan Ferguson ? now an Everton hall of famer is/was a hero to many blues. He was incredibly well paid for a long time. He was sent off something like 12 times, which meant missing loads of games he could have played in. It also meant leaving us and his team-mates short in games. He also had narks with Moyes and was also fuucked off from training. As a ?senior? ?professional?, he smoked, bevvied and generally did what he wanted. There were many (MANY) performances for Everton when you could have levelled the accusation "fucking lazy arse" at him, yet the man is now officially an Everton legend.
I wouldn?t dream of accusing anyone of anything sinister, but those attacking Vic with such venom might want to consider the facts, then possibly a more even handed approach.
What does worry me slightly, is how an incident that took place in Finch Farm makes the ?news?, on the day we?re to play Evil FC in the cup. I?m guessing, reporters wearing Trilby hats and trench-coats, aren?t allowed to wander about the place with notepads, so who said what and to who and why?
As for the levels of vitriol aimed at young Victor by some here, let me remind you of a couple of facts.
Duncan Ferguson ? now an Everton hall of famer is/was a hero to many blues. He was incredibly well paid for a long time. He was sent off something like 12 times, which meant missing loads of games he could have played in. It also meant leaving us and his team-mates short in games. He also had narks with Moyes and was also fuucked off from training. As a ?senior? ?professional?, he smoked, bevvied and generally did what he wanted. There were many (MANY) performances for Everton when you could have levelled the accusation "fucking lazy arse" at him, yet the man is now officially an Everton legend.
I wouldn?t dream of accusing anyone of anything sinister, but those attacking Vic with such venom might want to consider the facts, then possibly a more even handed approach.
When Vic first came into the first team he looked a big strong player who liked to get stuck in and put himself about. Vaughan looked a nightmare to play against due to his non-stop movement and willingness to chase a lost cause.
Now with Vaughan injured again, and let's face it the way he plays he will always get injured, Vic looks at the Yak and to a certain extent copies him, ie strolling around, diving etc. Moyes gave the Yak a rocket and got him to up his workrate and he improved. Vic has not taken that on board and also has not sussed that the Yak playing good bad or indifferent is ALWAYS a goal threat whereas Vic aint.
He needs to take an honest look at himself and realise he ain't that good and if he wants to make it at this level he has to add workrate to his game ? I?m sure if he did he wouldn?t get half the stick he gets.
Finally as a proffesional you train to operate at a level for 90 mins so if you get 15-20 mins as a sub you should be able to perform above that level for a shorter time. Vic doesn?t.
All rumour and innuendo.
What is the source of the bust up rumour ? The Sun FFS ? it is a rag, nothing more.
Facts
Vic has not been playing well since his return from injury. His last good game was against Villa and he did play well in that game.
He is the latest whipping boy for our fans (with periodic returns to Leon Osman and Tony Hibbert)
A major criticism of Victor has been that he just does not seem bothered.
Well maybe just maybe we are seeing that he is bothered, that he does want to play for Everton, that he is just as frustrated at his poor for, frustrated at what he sees as lack of opportunity.
Maybe just maybe someone has fired him up ? got him angry.
If that is true, fantastic ? let him loose tonight. And maybe just maybe he can be the kind of player we all hoped he would become.
If the bust up happened as they do at all clubs. Then Everton can use it positively or show Victor the door. Personally I would not give up on Victor Anichebe just yet.
What is the source of the bust up rumour ? The Sun FFS ? it is a rag, nothing more.
Facts
Vic has not been playing well since his return from injury. His last good game was against Villa and he did play well in that game.
He is the latest whipping boy for our fans (with periodic returns to Leon Osman and Tony Hibbert)
A major criticism of Victor has been that he just does not seem bothered.
Well maybe just maybe we are seeing that he is bothered, that he does want to play for Everton, that he is just as frustrated at his poor for, frustrated at what he sees as lack of opportunity.
Maybe just maybe someone has fired him up ? got him angry.
If that is true, fantastic ? let him loose tonight. And maybe just maybe he can be the kind of player we all hoped he would become.
If the bust up happened as they do at all clubs. Then Everton can use it positively or show Victor the door. Personally I would not give up on Victor Anichebe just yet.
Do you think he went down when Moyesie had a go at him - or would he have flapped his arms?
If it is in The Sun then it must be true....
It?s in the Echo so it looks like it?s true.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2009/02/04/victor-anichebe-on-his-way-out-of-everton-100252-22852075/
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2009/02/04/victor-anichebe-on-his-way-out-of-everton-100252-22852075/
MORE IMPORTANTLY... Will Osman be dropped tonight as he rightly deserves to be?
Anichebe won?t be missed, but that big gaping gap on the right hand side which Osman will be operating in will be a waste of space.
GET GOSLING IN!
Anichebe won?t be missed, but that big gaping gap on the right hand side which Osman will be operating in will be a waste of space.
GET GOSLING IN!
Well his attitude was there to be seen, his body language wasn?t right, his football skills aren?t anywhere near good enough for Everton, his whinging makes me sick, he choose to disrupt the preparation for one of the most important games this decade, he is zero goal-threat ? so good luck Victor!
Hmmm.... Anichebe ? yet another name on the long list of players who have had bust ups with DM: Rooney, Jeffers, Radzinski, Ferguson, Krøldrup, Beattie, Cahill, Arteta have all had bust ups with our manager in the past few years. To me it seems quite a lot compared to other clubs. Is it all down to players' attitudes or is there a man-management problem here?
What ever it is, it's not what we want to see ahead of our biggest game for years. I for one would not be happy getting dropped from this Everton side when wasters like Osman play every game and stink.
Sort it out Moyes... if you can, that is.
What ever it is, it's not what we want to see ahead of our biggest game for years. I for one would not be happy getting dropped from this Everton side when wasters like Osman play every game and stink.
Sort it out Moyes... if you can, that is.
?It?s in the Echo so it looks like it?s true.?
Well having now read both they seem to paint yes a similar story but also very different ones. If I was to be tempted towards any it would be the Echo?s.
Well having now read both they seem to paint yes a similar story but also very different ones. If I was to be tempted towards any it would be the Echo?s.
When did Cahill and Arteta have a ’bust up’ with Moyes?
Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
Hahahaha... "It's in the Echo..." ? oh, it's concrete stuff then isn't it!?!?!
Come on! Don't be naive, like most of that red rags readers are!
Come on! Don't be naive, like most of that red rags readers are!
Rooney - Proven to be a liar and had to pay (vicariously) Moyes with damages.
Jeffers - Moyes did not want him at the club
Ferguson - A rule to himself, he could also start a fight with himself
Radzinski - Said Bent was not the answer, the year we finished 4th and has now dissapeared from football
Krøldrup - No-one really knows what happened so can?t comment on that.
Beattie - Prima Donna who was shit and couldn?t score from open play in a year and has only just come back to the Premiership with.....wait for it.....Stoke City
Cahill - When?
Arteta - When?
In regards to the "Scum", just look at the fact that they had to pay out libel damages to that young girl who used to date Rhys Jones?s killer when they printed outright lies about her. Gutter press of the lowest order.
Jeffers - Moyes did not want him at the club
Ferguson - A rule to himself, he could also start a fight with himself
Radzinski - Said Bent was not the answer, the year we finished 4th and has now dissapeared from football
Krøldrup - No-one really knows what happened so can?t comment on that.
Beattie - Prima Donna who was shit and couldn?t score from open play in a year and has only just come back to the Premiership with.....wait for it.....Stoke City
Cahill - When?
Arteta - When?
In regards to the "Scum", just look at the fact that they had to pay out libel damages to that young girl who used to date Rhys Jones?s killer when they printed outright lies about her. Gutter press of the lowest order.
As this story emmanated from The Sun, i?ll take it with a huge block of salt. If true, it may not be a big deal. If Vic and DM have clashed, it?s probably just the kind of thing that happens at any football club, or indeed in any profession. How often have we argued with our own bosses, then eventually agreed to disagree, shook hands or whatever?
Even if Vic is not playing well, he?s got a right to be frustrated, and maybe he?s just lashed out inarticulatley, as young people often do. Perhaps DM will take him to one side, and use this as a watershed moment, ie "prove me wrong".
Having said this, it does remind me of when Walter Smith was here. Remember when he played Steve Watson up front, whilst leaving Joe-Max Moore on the bench? It?s a similar thing now. Maybe DM thinks Vic isn?t up to the job. He may just think, though, that he?s a young lad, not fully fit and in poor form, so he?s taking him out the firing line.
We will see in the fullness of time. if Vic aint on the bench tonight, the writing may well be on the wall, but, if anything has happened, I expect DM to deal with it in-house, and out of the gaze of the tabloid press, especially smut peddlers like the Scum.
Look its simple - dont buy the Sun, the Star, the Mail or any of the other shitty rags that pretend to report the news. If you must buy a newspaper, at least give yourself half a chance of reading the facts without the sensationalist slant those rags dish out.
No papers tell the absolute truth, but if you buy the Times/Guardian etc you might at least get closer to it.
Anyone who buys/reads the Sun/Star/Mail needs their head read - pathetic journalism for people with the brains of pigeons.
No papers tell the absolute truth, but if you buy the Times/Guardian etc you might at least get closer to it.
Anyone who buys/reads the Sun/Star/Mail needs their head read - pathetic journalism for people with the brains of pigeons.
PS Anichebe is and always has been, in my opinion overated.
I’ve never seen anyone who falls over so often and complains as much as he does with little or no reward for his efforts.
Occasionally he tries hard, but all too often he’s found wanting in my book. Young I know so he has that in his favour.
I’ve never seen anyone who falls over so often and complains as much as he does with little or no reward for his efforts.
Occasionally he tries hard, but all too often he’s found wanting in my book. Young I know so he has that in his favour.
If the article is true, I believe this big daft lad has saw his arse because of the arrival of Jo. He has suddenley realised that he will be 5th choice striker behind Yak, Jo, Saha and Vaughany. May I ask what has he done for us this year? Granted he had a fantastic Uefa Cp run for us and I above all was praying that it would of been the making of him.
Ok maybe he has not had a lot of pitch time but when he does he has failed to deliver. Frankly his atitude stinks before this game, it is bound to upset seasoned pro?s like Tim Neville Jags and Mikky especially as of late as they have all commented on the "Togetherness" of our team. Moyes is no mug he may well call Lukas back that will make Vic number 6 striker selfish or what.!!
Spot on Tony, Osman is waste hasn't score any goals or assists, whereas Anichebe has been shining light in the team ? without him we would be unable to score goals or create chances, his tremendous work rate will be sorely missed, the fact is Moyes let us once more down, ahead of the Liverpool clash he preferred to disrupt the preparation for the game not accepting the whinging of our most prolific goalscorer ever. Was there better time for Victor to show his commitment to his team-mates, manager and fans?!?!? Simply we don?t deserve him.
Just how Moyes gets away with those constant fuck-ups is beyond me!
Just how Moyes gets away with those constant fuck-ups is beyond me!
Wouldn’t it be great if he got the winner tonight. Get on with it Vic or else fuck of to Preston
The following extract is taken from the Daily Post who have more exclusive access to EFC and Moyes than ’The Sun’ -
’EVERTON will offload Victor Anichebe in the summer after he was ordered home from training yesterday.
The Nigerian striker disrupted his club?s preparations for tonight?s FA Cup fourth round replay with Liverpool after a spat with manager David Moyes.
Anichebe had asked Moyes on Monday evening, shortly before the transfer window closed, whether he could move to Hull on loan.
With no time to bring in a replacement, Moyes was unable to facilitate the request but it is understood that he explained the situation amicably to the 20-year-old.
However, Anichebe reported for training yesterday morning claiming he had an injury and effectively ruled himself out of the game with Liverpool.
That, not surprisingly, infuriated the manager ? who has been trying to juggle a striker crisis for the past two months ? and he told Anichebe to leave Finch Farm.
Morning reports of a foul-mouthed bust-up between the pair are well wide of the mark, as are suggestions that Anichebe was marched off the premises by two members of the club?s medical staff.
Also inaccurate is the claim that Anichebe had "a huge row" with Moyes? assistant Steve Round and that he "flatly refused" to get ready for training.
What it is clear, though, is the overwhelming sense that Anichebe has let his manager, team-mates and supporters down on the eve of the most important fixture of the season.
He has dismayed some of his colleagues with the attitude he has shown over the past month and has, on more than one occasion, let it be known that he wanted a move away from Goodison Park.’
As for ’bust ups’ with other players so what ?
Anyone who has managed people in a pressurised environment will know that the occassional ’bust ups’ are part and parcel of man-management.
It seems Victor has been concerned for his future for a while which is fair enough but he could have reacted in one or two ways -
a) Ask to leave earlier and sorted out a summer move in private with Moyes or
b) Get his head down and work hard especially considering the Yaks injury.
I for one hoped and believed he would grab his chance and get us goals but alas not to be.
He should have had a chat with Jags who has revealed that he did not think he was good enough when he first arrived but has worked hard and improved his all-round game and now should be picked for England.
Our team spirit is far more important than one player.
It is a shame but Moyes cannot allow Vic to disrupt the team spirit that has got us so far this season.
Lukas is out on loan so Moyes obviously felt Vic had a part to play for the rest of the season despite the arrival of Jo.
I believe the Olympic experience made Vic a better player but maybe not a better person. As has been reported in ’The Evertonian’ in the past, Vic has the ability to go far but it is up to him to believe it. This shows a weakness in his attitude and mentality to his game anyway so it should come as no surprise that he has gone from one extreme to the other - not believing in his ability to now thinking he is a superstar and should play week in week out.
Plus the timing of his outburst says a lot.
Why Hull ? Why not stay and help us then leave in the summer ?
We have a massive game tonight and the last thing we need is a prima donna.
COYB.
’EVERTON will offload Victor Anichebe in the summer after he was ordered home from training yesterday.
The Nigerian striker disrupted his club?s preparations for tonight?s FA Cup fourth round replay with Liverpool after a spat with manager David Moyes.
Anichebe had asked Moyes on Monday evening, shortly before the transfer window closed, whether he could move to Hull on loan.
With no time to bring in a replacement, Moyes was unable to facilitate the request but it is understood that he explained the situation amicably to the 20-year-old.
However, Anichebe reported for training yesterday morning claiming he had an injury and effectively ruled himself out of the game with Liverpool.
That, not surprisingly, infuriated the manager ? who has been trying to juggle a striker crisis for the past two months ? and he told Anichebe to leave Finch Farm.
Morning reports of a foul-mouthed bust-up between the pair are well wide of the mark, as are suggestions that Anichebe was marched off the premises by two members of the club?s medical staff.
Also inaccurate is the claim that Anichebe had "a huge row" with Moyes? assistant Steve Round and that he "flatly refused" to get ready for training.
What it is clear, though, is the overwhelming sense that Anichebe has let his manager, team-mates and supporters down on the eve of the most important fixture of the season.
He has dismayed some of his colleagues with the attitude he has shown over the past month and has, on more than one occasion, let it be known that he wanted a move away from Goodison Park.’
As for ’bust ups’ with other players so what ?
Anyone who has managed people in a pressurised environment will know that the occassional ’bust ups’ are part and parcel of man-management.
It seems Victor has been concerned for his future for a while which is fair enough but he could have reacted in one or two ways -
a) Ask to leave earlier and sorted out a summer move in private with Moyes or
b) Get his head down and work hard especially considering the Yaks injury.
I for one hoped and believed he would grab his chance and get us goals but alas not to be.
He should have had a chat with Jags who has revealed that he did not think he was good enough when he first arrived but has worked hard and improved his all-round game and now should be picked for England.
Our team spirit is far more important than one player.
It is a shame but Moyes cannot allow Vic to disrupt the team spirit that has got us so far this season.
Lukas is out on loan so Moyes obviously felt Vic had a part to play for the rest of the season despite the arrival of Jo.
I believe the Olympic experience made Vic a better player but maybe not a better person. As has been reported in ’The Evertonian’ in the past, Vic has the ability to go far but it is up to him to believe it. This shows a weakness in his attitude and mentality to his game anyway so it should come as no surprise that he has gone from one extreme to the other - not believing in his ability to now thinking he is a superstar and should play week in week out.
Plus the timing of his outburst says a lot.
Why Hull ? Why not stay and help us then leave in the summer ?
We have a massive game tonight and the last thing we need is a prima donna.
COYB.
I’ve heard plenty of rumour before now that Anichebe’s attitude is awful. I think he reckons he is the next big thing and the world owes him a living.
Truth is he is shit. end of story. He will end up in the lower leagues for the rest of his shit career aka jeffers.
Truth is he is shit. end of story. He will end up in the lower leagues for the rest of his shit career aka jeffers.
Stefan am I missing something here Vic our most prolific goalscorer ever !!
Whats that all about
Whats that all about
Stefan - have you been on the sauce old son? Anichebe?s goalscoring record is shit! He?s a prolific complainer but apart from that he mainly just strolls around the pitch waiting for the ball to come to him.
I looked it up - Anichebe has scored 11 goals since making his debut in 2006.
Prolific indeed......pass the acid Stefan!
Prolific indeed......pass the acid Stefan!
Gary and James,
Please, read my opinion about Anichebe before Tony?s post, not only the second, and you will get idea, where I am coming from :)
Please, read my opinion about Anichebe before Tony?s post, not only the second, and you will get idea, where I am coming from :)
It must be true because it was in the Sun and they wouldn?t lie would they? When you have a spare moment or two look back at the so-called exclusive football stories since the start of the season and count how many of the exclusives were factually correct.
Their sucess rate on the stories is appalling......This story is timed to take the heat off our Spanish waiter friend and the Robbie Keane saga!
Oh, you were being sarcastic.
I’ll get me coat....
I’ll get me coat....
Stevan Tosev was clearly being sarcastic .
Methinks Stefan may have his tongue possibly in his cheek gents and rightly so...
Tony Marsh, who would you say is the instigator of this little fracas... Moyes? Dont think so.
And what would a better man managemer have done?Ignore it, and let players do as they please?
Exactly. The argument and the timing is down to one Victor Anichebe, and I?m sure the rest of the squad are astute enough to realise what he?s about. After all, we are.
Tony Marsh, who would you say is the instigator of this little fracas... Moyes? Dont think so.
And what would a better man managemer have done?Ignore it, and let players do as they please?
Exactly. The argument and the timing is down to one Victor Anichebe, and I?m sure the rest of the squad are astute enough to realise what he?s about. After all, we are.
Tony M, players will always have trouble with managers, but if you are trying to say the players always seem to have trouble with him then I suggest you read the interview with Arteta and Cahill as they both had nothing but praise for him, calling him a father figure and someone who is there for them. This interview even shocked me to see how well they spoke of him, it appears the people who do fall out with him ? Rooney, Jeffers, Big Dunc, AVDM and Beattie ? all have a bit in common dont you think? and with the rumours of Vic's after-work pastimes can you blame him for having a go at people slacking in their profession?
Hull wanted him as a replacement for Dean Windass...Vic fitted the bill perfectly, big fat lazy bastard
Typical Dave Wilson wading into shit?s creek without a paddle!
IT?S NOT ABOUT THE FOOTBALL!
Play Vic in the Liverpool game and risk a sending off, validate his over inflated ego, validate the Fuck Off, expect a chorus of boos being levied his way, tell the others that they can act the same when dropped, risk unsettling Yobo and others who have to wait their turn?
He undermined the manager?s authority. He put himself above to team and the club. It?s over. He might as well have spat in Moyes?s face.
Moyes must send a message to his dressing room. Nobody talks to him like that. If you?re fucked off, be a man about it, train and request 5 minutes. Screaming at Steve Round and telling Moyes to fuck off damages their credibility. Procedures are in place if you have a grievance? use them!
How do you think Moyes feels today? How do you think he felt last night taking that shit home? Dave, you need to see the bigger picture lad.
It is not all about Victor Anichebe and you my friend have been sucked into his ego.
I don?t need to listen to the vitriol levied at him. I am a man who has established his own opinions and I stand by them!
Your problem Dave is that you assume a hatred for Victor. Your assumption is wrong, and there your argument dies. I loved Victor a hell of a lot in recent years. Not now.
Football is more than what you see on the pitch. It extends beyond the 90 minutes. His attitude has helped no-one (including himself). Today should be about Liverpool and the bastard has made it about himself!
His ?I?m A Celebrity? impersonation could have a far more damaging result. Cut the cancer now before it is too late.
Someone desperate to leave us to play for Hull City can fuck off anyway!
IT?S NOT ABOUT THE FOOTBALL!
Play Vic in the Liverpool game and risk a sending off, validate his over inflated ego, validate the Fuck Off, expect a chorus of boos being levied his way, tell the others that they can act the same when dropped, risk unsettling Yobo and others who have to wait their turn?
He undermined the manager?s authority. He put himself above to team and the club. It?s over. He might as well have spat in Moyes?s face.
Moyes must send a message to his dressing room. Nobody talks to him like that. If you?re fucked off, be a man about it, train and request 5 minutes. Screaming at Steve Round and telling Moyes to fuck off damages their credibility. Procedures are in place if you have a grievance? use them!
How do you think Moyes feels today? How do you think he felt last night taking that shit home? Dave, you need to see the bigger picture lad.
It is not all about Victor Anichebe and you my friend have been sucked into his ego.
I don?t need to listen to the vitriol levied at him. I am a man who has established his own opinions and I stand by them!
Your problem Dave is that you assume a hatred for Victor. Your assumption is wrong, and there your argument dies. I loved Victor a hell of a lot in recent years. Not now.
Football is more than what you see on the pitch. It extends beyond the 90 minutes. His attitude has helped no-one (including himself). Today should be about Liverpool and the bastard has made it about himself!
His ?I?m A Celebrity? impersonation could have a far more damaging result. Cut the cancer now before it is too late.
Someone desperate to leave us to play for Hull City can fuck off anyway!
Best bit of news I’ve heard in ages regarding our strikers.
The paper that loves Liverpool and Liverpool fans spreads some malicious gossip about a training ground bust up that even Sky Sports News wasn?t reporting this morning.
Surely that shows how much there is in it. Maybe they had words but I doubt it went so far as fisticuffs.
Anichebe must be frustrated when he?s the only eligible striker and he?s getting told that Cahill and Fellaini will be starting up front. He?s keen and eager and ready to go and more than anything WANTS to play.
As for him being at fault for Liverpool's goal in the previous match then I do agree he was. He had the option to get a tackle in and stop that ball but he lazily didn?t even bother.
Surely that shows how much there is in it. Maybe they had words but I doubt it went so far as fisticuffs.
Anichebe must be frustrated when he?s the only eligible striker and he?s getting told that Cahill and Fellaini will be starting up front. He?s keen and eager and ready to go and more than anything WANTS to play.
As for him being at fault for Liverpool's goal in the previous match then I do agree he was. He had the option to get a tackle in and stop that ball but he lazily didn?t even bother.
Now if this is true then its certainly the last thing we need. Now although any player throwing a tantrum should not be tolerated, in his defence he?s not exactly been given his opportunity. What, 2 starts? And to be fair here, he played very well in the 1st derby. And I will not blame him for the goal, that was Neville's doing for not picking up Gerrard.
And how any of you could contradict yourselves with calling him lazy when look at our main forward, Yakubu. He?s hardly the most trying footballer now is he. Ok you could argue his service wasn?t great but then the same could be said for Anichebe. And I don't see anyone making excuses for him.
And as Tony Marsh said what about Osman? How many more shite games must he have before Moyes wakes up and realises he's fucking crap and should be dropped. Of course I'm questioning God himself since half the people who write on here will never question Moyes's tactics or abilities ever. We have to play at a high tempo tonight otherwise that will be it, gone. And then it?ll be another trophyless season.
COYB FTRS
Scott Eves, you say..
"I?ve heard plenty of rumour before now that Anichebe?s attitude is awful. I think he reckons he is the next big thing and the world owes him a living"
Thank you Clarence Darrow!
Three questions.
1) After you wrote this, did you then fold your arms defiantly in front of you, and pull a scornful and ?knowing? expression?
2) Do you write in the voice of Hilda Ogden?
3) Do you think ?er in number 46 is no better than she should be? - sniff.
"I?ve heard plenty of rumour before now that Anichebe?s attitude is awful. I think he reckons he is the next big thing and the world owes him a living"
Thank you Clarence Darrow!
Three questions.
1) After you wrote this, did you then fold your arms defiantly in front of you, and pull a scornful and ?knowing? expression?
2) Do you write in the voice of Hilda Ogden?
3) Do you think ?er in number 46 is no better than she should be? - sniff.
I take it you disagree then EJ? That in your opinion Vic is a young lad who is a model professional and has run himself into the ground for the cause. That at the tender age of 20 he is doing all he can to impress his manager and earn a spot in the team of his boyhood club? And despite all this our manager ovelooks him and instead plays a midfielder up front.
Quel surprise. Tony Marsh takes a story and twists it in order to have yet another go at Moyes. All with the aid of a liberal sprinkling of bullshit mixed in with an occasional truth. tony I’d be delighted if you could provide evidence of Moyes’ bust-ups with Arteta and Cahill? Or how you care to explain how someone with such poor man management skills has pulled together the team universally acknowledged as having the best team spirit in the Prem?
Does anyone know a live internet stream for the match tonight? Sorry this is off the point but Im in a small town in Holland where they don?t show any live English football.
Chris - go to freefootball.org and get a free login - then you can look at their links page and watch live games. You may or may not need to install a few bits of software. There are lots of help guides on the site, and is excellent for future refernce.
Chris
Try this
http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports
Try this
http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports
chris,there is a website called live footy tv.com that will have the match on it
Chris if you can get it try the ITV.com website as that is where the game is being shown live.
Scott Eves - you say "I take it you disagree then EJ?"
Yes I do.
On what?
Doesn’t matter.
I’ll disagree with anyone who, like you, gives opinions based on "I heard plenty of rumour before" and "I reckon"
Fact: The language of the gossip and/or the alehouse lawyer
Yes I do.
On what?
Doesn’t matter.
I’ll disagree with anyone who, like you, gives opinions based on "I heard plenty of rumour before" and "I reckon"
Fact: The language of the gossip and/or the alehouse lawyer
Regarding Mr Anichebe, whether this is true or not does not hide the fact that he probably would not have played anyway because he is not good enough and he has just not progressed. Even the days where he was an impact player from the bench have gone, he spends more time on his back with other footballers than Ulrika Johnson, the only difference being that he has his hands in the air and not his ankles. Fuck him OFF and give an opportunity to another youngster who doesn’t have his head up his ass.
Thanks for the links lads. I was getting withdrawal symtoms from all things Everton. good luck
As soon as I realised it was a spat with Vic my gut reaction was I didn’t care. The truth of it is he is mediocre at best
Dave you epitomise everything about bunging your head in the sand why do you want a player to play who is clearly not good enough nevermind his attitude. Witchhunt, what a load of tripe it’s just pointing out that he’s out of his depth at this level. I’ve watched him since he started and you can see it’s just not there. His attitude and all round play are wrong. At 20 years old I’d be ecstatic to be where he is. Thank Christ your not the manager.
According to the OS, Victor has said he is embarrassed, he goes on to add that the story is wide of the mark although he will not discuss what happened. I would say now, maybe this is the kick up the arse he has needed ?
FA Cup third round game at Macclesfield.....Big Vic was HORRIBLE....I knew then it was the end. He could have gone out there and had a stormer, but instead he decided to be a petulant jerk.
If all that has been said about what happened is true, then shame on Vic. It’s a privelage to play for Everton and he should realise it.
However, if he comes on tonight, i think it’s still important we support him, and certainly don’t boo him. It looks possible that he wont fulfill his potential of 18 months or so ago, but there’s a chance that this incident may give him the kick up the arse he needs, and prompt him to knuckle down, and improve his game. If he’s lucky enough to be selected or come of the bench, and he cant motivate himself for a derby game, then there is no hope for him.
However, if he comes on tonight, i think it’s still important we support him, and certainly don’t boo him. It looks possible that he wont fulfill his potential of 18 months or so ago, but there’s a chance that this incident may give him the kick up the arse he needs, and prompt him to knuckle down, and improve his game. If he’s lucky enough to be selected or come of the bench, and he cant motivate himself for a derby game, then there is no hope for him.
Alex Nyarko moment. I seriously doubt he’ll don the royal blue jersey in any capacity other than the reserves from now on.
If reports from the Echo are true and Victor PRETENDED to have a foot injury before training then he should never put a blue shirt on ever again. Considering this was on the eve of a Merseyside derby and due to the crippling injury crisis, it makes his actions all the more unacceptable. I cant defend him in any way over this. I’ll be surprised if Moyes ever plays him again and he would be well within his rights to demote him to the youth team for the remainder of the season.
You have to earn opportunity and when it comes you have to grab it. He hasn’t really endeared himself with his performances recently and his constant arms in the air complaining when decisions don’t go his way. I’d forgive him that if he was a threat but he can hardly be called "prolific".
Fine him a months wages, leave him out until he knuckles down and get shut at the end of the season to Hull, Stoke or whoever else is insane enough to pay 3-4 million for him.
He’s never going to score more than 10 goals a season, no matter how often he plays. His usefulness extends to bringing him on in the last 15 minutes in stretched games against tired opposition, as we saw in the European games last season.
A player I class in the same mould as Marlon Harewood, Marlon King. All huff and puff with little or no class. Destined for the championship.
Fine him a months wages, leave him out until he knuckles down and get shut at the end of the season to Hull, Stoke or whoever else is insane enough to pay 3-4 million for him.
He’s never going to score more than 10 goals a season, no matter how often he plays. His usefulness extends to bringing him on in the last 15 minutes in stretched games against tired opposition, as we saw in the European games last season.
A player I class in the same mould as Marlon Harewood, Marlon King. All huff and puff with little or no class. Destined for the championship.
I rather like Anthony Dyer’s reverse psychology idea.
Play him tonight and make it clear this is the game to make or break it for him at Everton. There’s no doubting he can do it, but it’s in the head where he’s failed recently being too over confident and forgetting that hard work is vital.
He could do a lot of damage to their back line and make space for the midfielders to come on through.
Play him tonight and make it clear this is the game to make or break it for him at Everton. There’s no doubting he can do it, but it’s in the head where he’s failed recently being too over confident and forgetting that hard work is vital.
He could do a lot of damage to their back line and make space for the midfielders to come on through.
From OS -
The young Blues striker denied that he was verbally disrespectful to David Moyes just 24 hours before the Merseyside derby.
?I don?t want to speak about anything that goes on at the training ground but I will say that I was not verbally abusive to the manager,? he said.
?The report that was in a newspaper this morning was not right. I didn?t row with Steve Round and wasn?t escorted from Finch Farm by members of the medical staff.
?I have got great respect for the manager, the coaches, all my team-mates and the supporters and I am embarrassed by the report this morning.
?I?m an Everton player and am proud to be. I want to put this behind me and move on again. I want to fight for a place in the team and I want to repay the manager for the faith he has shown in me in the past.?
I accept Vics apology.
He is still only 20, shit happens.
At least he is showing frustration at his percieved situation.
I too hope this whole incident is a timely reminder to Vic that he has a lot to learn.
He has a great team around him including his country’s captain and striker.
Time to grow up Vic and start showing the talent you supposedly have.
And as for Hull just because Jo arrived ! Get a grip.
The young Blues striker denied that he was verbally disrespectful to David Moyes just 24 hours before the Merseyside derby.
?I don?t want to speak about anything that goes on at the training ground but I will say that I was not verbally abusive to the manager,? he said.
?The report that was in a newspaper this morning was not right. I didn?t row with Steve Round and wasn?t escorted from Finch Farm by members of the medical staff.
?I have got great respect for the manager, the coaches, all my team-mates and the supporters and I am embarrassed by the report this morning.
?I?m an Everton player and am proud to be. I want to put this behind me and move on again. I want to fight for a place in the team and I want to repay the manager for the faith he has shown in me in the past.?
I accept Vics apology.
He is still only 20, shit happens.
At least he is showing frustration at his percieved situation.
I too hope this whole incident is a timely reminder to Vic that he has a lot to learn.
He has a great team around him including his country’s captain and striker.
Time to grow up Vic and start showing the talent you supposedly have.
And as for Hull just because Jo arrived ! Get a grip.
I agree with Anthony too. It would be a refreshing way to deal with the problem. In reality though I suspect he will rarely figure this season and be shipped out come the summer. Moyes isn't the forgiving type it seems.
I wonder what would happen if Vic (assuming that it's true) apologises, puts in a good shift in training, keeps his head down and behaves... Would Moyes give him a second chance?
I wonder what would happen if Vic (assuming that it's true) apologises, puts in a good shift in training, keeps his head down and behaves... Would Moyes give him a second chance?
Moyes should have let him go to Hull.
Everything would have been sound then and some dollar for him in the summer.
Everything would have been sound then and some dollar for him in the summer.
Many interesting posts here. All I can add is,it looks like Vic got right up Moyes’ nose.
Dave Wilson, are you any relation to that excuse for a footballer that is Big Vic by any chance?! Only you seem to be unable to see what is so obvious to everyone else, the lad is crap & his attitude is shite!
From the ?Official Site?: "I have great respect for the manager, coaches, teammates and supporters..." ? God's honest truth or party line?? Sounds to me in the same vein as Hal 500 the robot in ?2001? "I am fully committed to the mission," and then shuts the airlock door on Bowman.
Why? Read on...
"I want to put this behind me (put just what behind you?) and move on again, (move on from what?) I want to fight for my place in the team. (why? did you think you were loosing it and if so what caused it?) I want to repay the faith the manager has shown me in the past." (why? had you done something to negate that faith in the present?)
Do you believe the Official Site ??
Or, do you speak as you find / see with your own eyes, that Johnny Bigtime knows that he has cocked up bigtime.
God loves a trier and so do we, we mightn?t rate them (a pre-cup final Trebilcock Vs Villa in the rain springs to mind...). We even had a soft spot for Bernie the Bolt coz he tried.
It?s simple as, Vic: get stuck in and let the contracts fall where they will.
Why? Read on...
"I want to put this behind me (put just what behind you?) and move on again, (move on from what?) I want to fight for my place in the team. (why? did you think you were loosing it and if so what caused it?) I want to repay the faith the manager has shown me in the past." (why? had you done something to negate that faith in the present?)
Do you believe the Official Site ??
Or, do you speak as you find / see with your own eyes, that Johnny Bigtime knows that he has cocked up bigtime.
God loves a trier and so do we, we mightn?t rate them (a pre-cup final Trebilcock Vs Villa in the rain springs to mind...). We even had a soft spot for Bernie the Bolt coz he tried.
It?s simple as, Vic: get stuck in and let the contracts fall where they will.
Not all of that is true apparently he was just a bit miffed that he wasn?t allowed to go to Hull City when they said they were intrested. So obviously he complained but no bad language was used.
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It seems obvious to me that something is wrong with this guy ? he is certainly different to the the aggressive bustling forward we saw in the Uefa Cup last year running through defences and whacking the ball into the net.
He appears to have flipped in more ways than one... and what effect will this have on the team spirit going into today's match?