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I have been festering on this point since saturday night and its niggled away at me like a bottle of vodka does to AVDM. Why oh why do we only ever have one player called up to the England squad? When Lescott is called up, Jagielka isn't, and vice versa.

I see West Ham have 3 players called up and lucky Villa have 6 albeit they our in the top three and have been playing lucky football all season so Capello must think one of the Villa players will score the winner off their backsides, but for both teams call ups I dont feel it's justified. Jagielka well and truly deserves this call up, he's had Tosser sorry I mean Torres in his back pocket for a couple of hours at least over the last two weeks, but Lescott has been playing just as well and surely Capello and his Italian posse must have seen this.

I know I'm biased and therefore love to see our players in the England team but what has Cole or Bridge done recently compared to Baines, what for that matter has Upson, Luke Young or Glen Johnson done to deserve a place in front of Hibbert or Lescott? It does frustrate me to see this as Capello must have seen these players perform consistently against the sky four and succeed where Villa and West Ham wouldn't.

Yes I am a Toffee even more so than I am English in footballing terms of course so therefore would love to see more blue in that England squad to try and dye the overpowering claret which seems to be infesting this average England team. After all it would have been great to have 3 or 4 blues playing when England take on Liverpool on Wednesday night.
Andrew Fair, Manchester     Posted 09/02/2009 at 10:41:53

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Graham Eaves
1   Posted 09/02/2009 at 15:19:37

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I don?t know how Upson and Woodgate has got in over Lescott.
Tom Winek
2   Posted 09/02/2009 at 15:07:27

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Lescott’s omision has thoroughly pissed me off as well. Especially when everyone knows he can do the job both at the center and on the left. So why pick Bridge?

Hibbert is never going to get a shot and Baines won’t get in above Bridge and Cole even though he has been amazing recently.

No doubt, for whatever reason, playing for an Everton team who are playing well or not, is a hindrance to your International aspirations.
Richie James
3   Posted 09/02/2009 at 15:25:53

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No matter how well either Jagielka or Lescott play, they?re not going to displace Ferdinand and Terry as first choice centre backs for England. As Everton aren?t and never will be media darlings.

Agreed it?s great kudos for us when our players are involved internationally; but with a threadbare squad I?m VERY happy that Lescott at least has the opportunity to get a well earned rest for the next week.

An injury whilst playing the last 10 minutes or so in a meaningless friendly for England is all we need at the moment.

For the same reason I?m secretly pleased that Arteta hasn?t had the nod from Del Bosque just yet. He?s desperately in need of a few days off, and I?d hope we see the benefits of this on Sunday afternoon.
Alan Kirwin
4   Posted 09/02/2009 at 15:17:38

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I?m biased to Andrew, but that doesn't make us wrong, or paranoid.

Fact is it?s such a media-driven load of old pussy these days that one wonders if it really matters. Anyone who has observed Everton of late cannot fail to see the imperious performances of Lescott & jagielka. Furthermore, Leighton Baines is also finally getting the rave notices we all knew he would.

Wayne Bridge has played 2 or 3 games in 6 months. He?s not a "bad" player, but how in sweet Jesus does he get in ahead of Baines? Is Mathew Upson better than Lescott? well, would you swap Lescott for anyone except perhaps Rio? No, of course not. Utter bollocks the whole thing.

FC Lucky are due some form of comeuppance. We can only hope it starts on Sunday. We could do it in true Villa fashion, i.e. let them play us off the park for 90 mins, but sneak a 2-0 win thanks to a jammy own goal and a penalty.

Capello famously says he plays the men in form. Well, I like Capello, but if he was serious then we would see Lescott & Baines in the squad and not Bridge, Crouch or Hart.

Let?s just be thankful of the rest our payers will get. Won?t do us any harm at this stage of the season.
Daniel Powell
5   Posted 09/02/2009 at 15:51:57

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Lescott was fucking dreadful at the start of the season yet was a constant inclusion in any England squads selected at the time.

Now his form's picked up, he finds himself left out. Not making an awful lot of sense. IMO Ferdinand is better than Lescott and Jagielka him aside I think we have the two best centre halves in the English game and that includes captain marvel John Terry.

Nicholas Battistin
6   Posted 09/02/2009 at 15:52:12

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I take that as a blessing that no other Everton players are called up to the England squad or any other International squad, less injuries for us!
Trevor Lynes
7   Posted 09/02/2009 at 15:47:05

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Managers tend to play teams that play well for them and DM is no different. Lescott was capped as a left back because he performed in that position for DM. Baines could not get a look-in even though I for one was shouting for him ever since the loss to Pompey when he was our best player... so long as we draw or win, DM does not change the team unless it is forced on him by injury or suspension.

If all our attackers were fit then Gosling and Rodwell would not even be on the bench unless it was 6th or 7th choice. Game after game the same changes were made if we were behind in a game.

AJ looked really miserable playing up front on his own and the Yak is also ineffective without support. I'm afraid that Capello also has his job to consider and he won't change things until they go wrong despite the players in form claims made.... I agree that the friendly against Spain would be the ideal time to try them both out in central defence, but it's a forlorn hope I'm afraid.

Baines has a realistic chance of breaking into the England squad, he must be knocking at the door... he has a great shot too from free kicks but so far has not been allowed to use it. Hibbo has improved no end and I attach a lot of praise to Neville for that... he is talking all the time to players around them and I am sure he motivates people very well. It was nice to read that Jo thanked Pip for giving him the penalty to take... that was a clever move to make by our captain to build Jo?s confidence.

Because of circumstances forced upon us, we have at last ?blooded? some youngsters who have blossomed when given the chance to play... these kids should be nursed and rested at times to help them develop into top flight Premier League standard players. Sometimes things happen for the best!!

Scott Milne
8   Posted 09/02/2009 at 16:02:32

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Honestly, I think Lescott?s a shoe-in for call-ups for competitive matches.

Capello?s seen a fair bit of him and knows what he brings to his side, we?ve got the least depth defensively out of any of the top 10 teams in the country with only really Yobo & Neville that could come in.

Feel a bit bad for Baines ? but if anything, it?s just another reason for him to keep up the best form we?ve ever seen out of him!

No comment on Arteta?s continued exclusion ? we all know he?s an absolute superstar.
James Marshall
9   Posted 09/02/2009 at 16:36:38

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In other news; Scolari’s been fired.
Iain Love
10   Posted 09/02/2009 at 16:22:21

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In reality, there is only Jags who has performed to a level consistently this season, ie, better than other English players, Baines is looking good for the future but not just yet.The upsides are:

1/ no international injuries;
2/ no bigheadedness, ie Anichebe went away with Nigeria thought he was great went shite, Lescott the same: before call-up great, after... not shite but certainly not as good as before. Our team spirit is great and after 20 years in amateur leagues I know what a big time charlie does to a team
3/ we haven?t got a squad big enough to rotate it, so our players can get a deserved couple of days off
4/ I hope all 6 Villa players play the FULL game, then us on the weekend.
So I?m dead chuffed, Everton well before England

Tim Wardrop
11   Posted 09/02/2009 at 16:52:30

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To be fair, Lescott has not cut the mustard in his England games. In particular he was dreadful in the qualifier (was it Kazakhstan) that he played and Upson took his place for the next game. As a result I think Capello has come to the conclusion that he?s not good enough for international football as things stand.

Re: Baines ? sorry, but he has some way to go before he breaks into the England squad (although I do agree that Bridge is almost in by default).

Hibbert ? I don?t think he?ll ever be international class (he?s just not good enough on the ball or positionally), but I do think he?s better than Luke Young!

Beyond that I?d love to see Osman get a call up, but I don?t think that?s ever going to happen ? he just doesn?t have the pace, strength or end product of a top footballer, despite his excellent technique and work-rate ? and he?s not exactly in the best form either at the moment.
Larry Boner
12   Posted 09/02/2009 at 16:42:18

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Let me get this across from the start, I don't want any Everton player playing for England or anyone else, it means nothing for the club (Rooney in Euros, Lineker in World Cup etc ? gone before the next season) but the exclusion of Lescott is an absolute travesty, as is the inclusion of Carlton Cole (Carlton fucking Cole !!!) and David Beckham.

How can Capello say he is his own man and decides who plays when the FA have clearly instructed him to get Beckham past Bobby Moore as the most capped England outfield player, what an absolute joke. This has nothing to do with football and everything to do with a friggin knighthood. If Lescott and Jagielka played for one of the Sky 4 they would be regulars in the England team and Jags would be player of the year!!!

David Flynn
13   Posted 09/02/2009 at 17:14:58

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Personally I think Vidic and Carvalho are the two best defenders in the country that by nature make their English counterparts (Ferdinand and Terry) appear better than they are - I don’t really rate either. Terry makes too many mistakes as does Rio. Sure, I’m biased, but Jags and Lescott, bearing in mind how they have performed in the last month or so, are the two best English defenders at present. However they weren’t earlier in the season.
Tony Marsh
14   Posted 09/02/2009 at 17:55:25

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If you want our players in the shop window and surrounded by the Arseholes from Chelsea and Man Utd, then by all means let them be in the squad. My take on it is the further away from the England set up the better for our lads. It's all we need is to have 3 or 4 of our squad listening to Rio, Lamps and JT at training camp waffeling on about £150 grand a week salaries etc. FOOK England and let our boys get some rest is what I say.
Brian Wilson
15   Posted 09/02/2009 at 18:11:04

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I agree with Scott above and others comments on the site in that Lescott has probably secured his place in competitve England squads. Not needed for this mickey mouse game.

I also agree that its good for a few of our boys to get a rest from these games. Quite a number of them have played a huge amount of minutes this season and I?m sure although disappointed to have been excluded from their respective International squads, they?ll more than welcome the rest.

Heres to handing the fortuitous villains a hiding.
Iain Love
16   Posted 09/02/2009 at 18:01:08

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Larry Boner!!!
Rooney and Lineker where going anyway and the World Cup just put their prices up = good for us
Exclusion of Lescott? See my earlier post... Carlton fuckin Cole is playing well, Becks should be in squad, maybe not team although Milan are no mugs!

If Jags was at one of the Sky 4 he would never have got a run at centre half. Same as Lescott got in England setup as left back would never have played LB at a sky 4 team.

Andrew Fair
17   Posted 09/02/2009 at 20:21:23

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I appreciate what a lot of people are saying that the international break will give a lot of our players a well earned break and if we can the beat Villa and Newcastle after being refreshed it will be a blessing in disguise. But there will come a point maybe in the summer maybe next January when players who we are trying to sign, maybe competing with Villa and West Ham will take one look at the international possibilities available to Everton players and move elsewhere. This is where my original point comes from why oh why do they overlook an ever improving Everton team? Maybe Capello doesn't like the pies at Everton and wants some foreign type sandwich with curly lettuce!
Andy Herbert
18   Posted 09/02/2009 at 20:32:28

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Just heard that Jags has been taken to hospital and is looking at having an operation!

The surgeon says a Torres extraction from his back pocket is routine and shouldn’t result in any time out of the team lol
Brian Keating
19   Posted 09/02/2009 at 22:18:59

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I?d prefer to see no Everton players play for England to be honest but looking at the England squad for this friendly, it looks to me like Capello wants to have a look at some players he?s seen perform well but probably wouldn?t make a competitive Englad squad. He?s seen plenty of Lescott in previous games, so maybe he just wants to have a look at what his other options are.
Keith Glazzard
20   Posted 09/02/2009 at 22:39:16

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Tony Marsh ? I quite agree. We have much more important business to see to.
Dave Southword
21   Posted 09/02/2009 at 23:18:43

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Fab could do a lot worse than shipping the entire Everton back four and showing the Big Time Charlies like Ferdinand and Cole how to defend.

Can you imagine the look on Alonso and Torres’ faces if the Everton back four ran out? They’d shit themselves.
Derek Thomas
22   Posted 10/02/2009 at 05:53:50

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Cappello is building a squad. Jags is in as a Terry Mk2, he may even start if Torres does.

During the season sod the England team, in the summer fair enough.
Dave Wilson
23   Posted 10/02/2009 at 06:46:49

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I agree with Keith and Tony. I have about as much interest in an England team manage by an Italian as I have in, baseball and who care?s about other countries?
I hated it when:
Big Nev came back injured, costing us the double.
Rooney came back with stars ? and £-signs in his eyes.
Vaughanny came back fucked.
Both the current Tims come back jet-lagged.
Pienaar comes back injured.
And our Nigerian boys only just bother to come back at all...
Jason Lam
24   Posted 10/02/2009 at 07:11:30

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The 86 England squad had shitloads of Everton players and we had quite a successful campaign. I believe our players would want to play for their country: Cahill, Jags, Pip, Lescott, and Arteta; and Moyes is encouraging them fulfill their ambitions and keep them happy (important for morale). But since I’m only nationalised British and genuine English-born fans don’t give a toss about the national side maybe I shouldn’t either.
Marco Bonfiglio
25   Posted 10/02/2009 at 07:25:33

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Jason, 86 was a blip. Sure, the England squad was freighted with Everton players, but while Lineker was a shoo-in up front, Stevens was a toss-up at right-back, and Reid and Steven only came in because Robson’s shoulder dropped off again, and Wilkins got sent off for lashing the ball at the referee.

Despite the fact that the Everton contingent were largely responsible for getting England through the group stages, poor old Reidy’s been blamed for the last twenty-three years for not clipping Maradona before he scored that first goal.

Aye, it is good to have a squad full of players glowing with the satisfaction of international recognition; not so good having a squad full of jet-lagged, hamstrung monomaniacs. (qv Stamford Bridge).

I think the important ingredient in the mix is honesty: Cahill, Neville, Lescott, Jagielka and Arteta are honest players, who appear to regard playing for their respective national teams as a reward, not a right. I’d rather have them raising their club form in an effort to get into those squads, than holding back so they’re fit for international call-ups (no names, no pack-drill).
Anthony Millington
26   Posted 10/02/2009 at 10:33:37

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Lescott is far better than either of Woodgate and Upson, what a joke that they got in ahead of him! And also I don’t think it’s fair that Wayne Bridge gets in ahead of leighton Baines who is much better form than Bridge, who has only started getting a game now he’s at Man City and he hasn’t exactly been a revelation so far.

I probably agree with the exclusion of Hibbert, Neville and Osman, because they are not really world class players, although alot of the current England squad aren’t brilliant either. It’s a shame that James Vaughan has been injured again, because if he had stayed fit and played to his potential then I think he would have had a decent chance of been included amongst the forwards, who are very average with the likes of Crouch, heskey and Carlton Cole!
Tom Bowers
27   Posted 10/02/2009 at 10:05:56

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One of the most criminal acts by England managers was not ever giving Howard Kendall an full cap. Had he been a Man Utd player or with a London club things would have been different as there were so many lesser gifted inconsitent players who earned at least one cap during Kendall's era.

This brings me to Arteta. Surely Spanish squad's over the last few years haven't been outstanding so why no opportunity for Mikel? Doe's he need to play in Spain? No, maybe he just has to play for Benitez, after all lesser players like Alonso and Riera just keep getting picked. Sounds very devious to me and a shame for Mikel and his great form.

Anthony Dyer
28   Posted 10/02/2009 at 17:47:05

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I've just finished reading a quote from Capello regarding Emile Heskey. FC says that moving to Villa was the right thing to do for Heskey's International career. He added that it is important that national players play for a team at a high level. Forgive me if I'm wrong but Wigan are in the Premier League are they not? So it seems that by FC's viewpoint any team outside the top 4 is not considered good enough to supply players for England. However, Upson, Cole et al are included, it does make you yearn for the days when your individual ability was enough to gain you international honours. It also makes you wonder why suddenly Villa are deemed a truly fashionable club and why they have been getting so many more decisons going their way in the last few months. Not a PR stunt by the cynical PL men in suits then?

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