I am fearful that all we need to stir it up again is someone posting about "how the Kenwright-bashing quietens down when the team is doing well"...

I don't know about you but I don't think we need to address the same topics every day in order to maintain their validity and currency? Kenwright's contribution to the club has been well documented, as have his many verbal indiscretions. If you believe those, then the man himself is still "working 24/7" to secure new investment in / sell Everton FC ? his words, no-one else's. So he apparently IS still looking for change...

What is the reason for our recent ’success’?

I say success because what we have achieved in the last 5 years or so is exactly that. We were a financially poor regular relegation candidate and team of ageing players, boring football style football club not so long ago.

I don’t think you could put it down to luck.
I don’t think you could put it down to an individual player either.
I don’t think you could’t put it down to our board.

I think it’s the manager. Without Moyes I reckon we would still be a relegation candidate or worse.. no longer a PL team!

Brett
The most sensible thing i have read on this site in a long time.

Brett,

Moyes is undoubtedly the main reason for our current ’success’, but it is a little unfair for people to overlook the faith shown in him by the Board.

Remember the season with the lowest ever points total ?The successive Euro exits against Villareal and Dynamo Bucarest ? The furore after the Spurs game at Goodison when we lost 2-1 and everyone accused Moyes of losing the plot and demanded his head ?

Moyes consistently speaks in glowing terms about the relationship with his chairman. Surely even the most vehement of Kenwright-haters would have to admit that the stability off the pitch has helped matters on it ? Look at Spurs and Chelsea, to name but two, if you want to compare the merits of trigger happy chairmen with open cheque books to the the situation here.
Things aren’t perfect by any means, but nor are they as bad as some on here would (and no doubt will, in the course of the replies to this item) have you believe.

I remember a few years ago when the Kenwright bashing was particularly bad, Big Bill said he was going to resign. The reason he didn’t was because Moyes told him that if he did, then he would walk away as well. That was revealed by kenwright himself in an interview with the BBC.

I would much rather see a proper blue in charge of the club than a loadsamoney foreign chairman who doesn’t understand or appreciate the history of EFC. The only problem with Bill is he hasn’t got stacks of cash to pull out of his pocket.

The only reason Kenwright avoids demos every week and fans burning his effegy at every game is the fact that Moyes has bailed him out most seasons by keeping us at a decent level without much help from the board. The failings of BK are there for all to see yet some just won't see it.

As for the anti-foriegn investor brigade, please tell me what Man Utd were doing before Waistband Glazier took over? Answer: looking up at Chelsea every season. Please tell me what Villa were doing before Randy Learner took over? Answer: looking up at everyone.

I think its about time to lay off Kenwright!!! You all need to get over yourselves and think about what is happening at the likes of City, Liverpool, Chelsea... they were taken over by nobodies and there is always something going on between either the board and the manager or the board against the board! People should be thankful that we have an owner who lets Moyes get on with everything and also, who is a dedicated Blue himself! Get behind the team!!

Bernie you believe a quote from BK himself given his years of documeted Billy Bullshitisms? Have you heard DM confirm it? Didn’t think so. The only reason BK has stuck with DM is he has been the best thing possible to deflect from his countless failings and lies, he hasn’t replaced him as he would probably end up with a shit manager who he wouldn’t be able to hide behind. Bill wouldn’t resign if you held a gun to his head and if he told me it was raining outside I’d go and take a look myself before believing him. Too many lies, too many letdowns.

"As for the anti foriegn investor brigade please tell me what Man Utd
were doing before Waistband Glazier took over? Answer looking up at Chelsea every season.Please tell me what Villa where doing before Randy Learner took over?answer looking up at Everyone. "

Oh yes I forgot manu hadn?t already won 73 million prem titles. They were a plc on the stock exchange when the yanks came. As for Villa I think that might have something to do with a top manager.

Benji, in the current climate of sacking managers, BK?s loyalty to David Moyes when things went wrong has paid off. Unfortunately, the simple fact is, however blue Bill may be, he can?t afford to run a club with ambitions to be in the Champions League.

OK guys, perhaps I was a little harsh on the board.

Even to single out Moyes, he could NOT have done it on his own. Neither could have the board or players.

I think ’team’ effort stretches a little further than the first team squad.

Ok, I’ll change the topic. Has anyone seen that Western he made in the summer a few seasons ago?

Question: how many times have Man Utd finished below Chelsea since 1995 (the tables on this site stop here, and I can?t be bothered looking elsewhere to go further back, but it probably applies to when Man Utd starting winning the league again)? Answer: three times.
So it?s a bit of a syllogism to suggest that Man Utd have only turned the tables on Chelsea because the Glazers took them over, they were doing it on a regular basis before then.

And for every Randy Lerner, there?s a Frank Sinatra at City, the Icelandic fella at West Ham, or even the loveable Yanks across the park.

I don?t think the problem?s with foreign investment per se, it?s on how their investment is structured, and who takes the risk of under performance (which presumably is defined in mega money circles as finishing 5th or below)?

If the investor takes the risk, and funds the club through share capital, then that?s fair enough, failure to perform his the investor in the wallet, but doesn?t necessarily cause the club to run the risk of administration.

However, if the investor merely lends these multi millions to the club, or passes his own borrowings onto the club, then it?s the club which takes the risk of under performance, and ensuing adminstration when the banks call the loans in.

The problem we?re in now is that we?re playing catch up ? it?s all very well Man Utd and Arsenal borrowing mega millions to move ground/buys lots ot players, but they?ve had years of continued CL qualification, and a very high probability of that continuing, and the risk of meltdown are less than it is for us ? we?d have to borrow big, and take the gamble that we subsequently get the CL qualification to pay it all back, but if it all goes wrong...... which division are Leeds in at the moment??

No one doubts that the main reason why we?ve been outperforming the level of investment in the squad is because of Moyes (and the players!), but to ignore the support of Kenwright is just silly.

Does anyone think the likes of Liverpool or Chelsea would have idly sat by while their team got knocked out of the CL (and the Uefa Cup!) at the qualifying stage, then proceeded to find itself bottom of the league after 8 games with 1 win and 7 defeats to their name??

To suggest that the only reason Kenwright didn?t sack Moyes is because he?d have probably ended up with a shit manager also bemuses me. Every chairman who sacks a manager thinks that the next guy is the one who?ll turn things around, and take them up to that next level - and they truly believe it when they sack this manager, too....

I don?t think anyone can doubt that the team has progressively got stronger since 2002, but to pretend that has happened DESPITE the Chairman is blinded by their hatred of the man.

PS if I had a pound for every time someone, on this site, has quoted the "24/7" sound bite, I?d probably be able to buy the club myself (and give Moyes all the money he needs!). It was a meaningless sound bite which quite clearly wasn?t meant to mean that investment was being sort "24/7" (erm, how is that possible exactly, anyway??).

If everything in this world was meant to be interpreted literally, then why are we based in Walton, and not Everton??

I have always held to the view that Bill Kenwright is a chairman par excellence. I know that he is held in the highest regard by everyone in the game. All but a few disgruntled Evertonians concur with that view. Long may he remain at the helm.

What has starkly emerged from recent shenanigans at Chelsea (and Portsmouth, Liverpool, Man City, Spurs, West Ham, Newcastle...) is that STABILITY pays. No one doubts that Villa and Everton are where they are because of their relative stability both on and off the pitch.

It seems reasonable to give some credit for this stability to the man who could, in keeping with the actions of other chairmen, have sacked his manager on more than a few occasions. This in no way absolves him from other legitimate criticisms, but credit where credit is due.

People I meet at the moment are extremely admiring and indeed envious of the set up at Everton and how we conduct ourselves. Again, it seems plain churlish to give no credit at all for this to the man who has actually been in charge. And indeed of course to the manager. They might actually not be lying when they say that they are a good team. Moyes could certainly have gone elsewhere.

Richard you take the biscuit, want to get a slot doing stand up comedy your quotes are hilarious.

A couple of years ago I was a staunch defender of David Moyes. Last summer changed my opinion. I thought he was petulant, greedy and most definitely not the man to lead us to the Champions League. Quite recently I stated that he had never had a bold thought in his head. Negative, one-dimensional, safety first and unimaginative.

A couple of nights ago I was listening to "Talk Sport"... A Chelsea supporter came on and said that David Moyes was the man for Chelsea. My response, without any consideration, was "Fuck off, you can't have him."

Well, that set me thinking. Baines at left back. Gosling getting a chance as well as Rodwell. Most importantly, AVDM back in favour. This is bold...

Maybe he's ok. Maybe we are going to play football. Maybe I was wrong. Humble pie is pretty hard to swallow but I think I might be due some. Someone said on a recent thread that the critics of Moyes disappear when things go well. Not true. As I half-empty glass sort of guy I am quite sure that I will be back giving David Moyes (I never complain about players) stick. But for now, I was wrong, and am glad to say it.

Gavin, say what you will about Richard Dodd but you cannot deny that, when all about were losing their heads, he alone stood firm in his belief and support for Kenwright and Moyes. He was prepared to suffer and is still suffering the slings and arrows of those who panicked and ran for cover by casting blame on all and sundry. I for one hold my head in shame and say there were moments when I doubted the direction we were heading.

Richard shone forth like a beacon of hope, a bedrock you might say, in a raging storm of vilification. Long may you reign, O King Richard. Now shut the fuck up and let the rest of us carry on where we left off.

Kenwright should hang his head in shame for not backing his dashing cavalier (Moyes). I know he's had his bad moments and I've doubted him at times but god has that man bailed him out. He?ll use him as long as it takes to bring home his treasure chest which is Kirkby and we?ll all be left to wonder how we let it happen.

It never ceases to amaze me now the ignorance and lack of football knowledge of Evertonians since the "birth" of the internet. How the fuck can people compare Chelsea and Liverpools board to ours!! They have won so many trophies between them in the last 5 years and yet you get knobheads saying "look at the mess at Chelsea and Liverpool etc.." If even half the happenings went on at those clubs that have gone on under the stewardship at Goodison there would have been riots on the streets!! And yet you get people giving them as bad example of a board!! I bloody despair, I really do.

Gavin,

It?s odd that Moyes has stuck with Everton and Kenwright given all of the latters "countless failings and lies", isn? it?

As was demonstrated in last week's press conference, Moyes isn?t one for suffering fools and, given his intimate knowledge of the ins and outs at the club, you?d think he?d have done a bunk by now if the club had been run as badly as you?re telling us that it?s been. It?s not like he?ll have been short of other offers.

Seems to me that some people are only too keen to see what they want to see, regardless of the evidence to the contrary.

As for Rich Jones and Moyes "lack of backing" ? what about Johnson, Yakubu and Fellaini? You can?t give what you don?t have, can you ?

Let's get real lads.

Steven Wolfe - how can you criticise a perceived lack of knowledge of Evertonians (how generalistic of you, by the way - and what has the development of cyberspace got to do with the price of fish?) when you cannot even spell the word. I despair, I really do...to the extent that I can bother to spell that word correctly too.

Could I just ask you to clarify how many trophies you think it is that Liverpool have won since the gun-toting hockey moms took over? You are obviously a kopite in (not very convincing) disguise so please go home to your own site.

Stability pays but I think money talks louder and if that 38 point season had seen us in the bottom 3 with 8 games left, BK would have sacked Moyes. The loss of money when a club goes down means that they will do anything to stay up. Just like Kenwright sacked Smith. Fortunately for Moyes, he?s never been that close to the bottom of the league late in the season.

Bob, looking for investment 24/7 was just a meaningless sound byte???

Does that also go for "The Kings Dock money is ring-fenced" ... "The money will be in the bank in the morning"?

"Fortunately for Moyes he?s never been that close to the bottom of the league late in the season." (Mickey Norman).

What a redundant point. You can’t judge Kenwright on what he may have done (which is mere speculation at best) had Moyes been close to taking us down. Surely all you can judge him on is what he has done in the context of the Moyes era. There have been numerous occassions (mostly cited above) where Kenright could have (and an otherwise trigger-happy chairman may well have) dismissed Moyes. He chose not to, and give him time to mould and work with his team. This process is ongoing and it is a necessarily slow process unless and until the much heralded fresh investment comes our way. But how can anyone say Kenwright has not supported Moyes to the best of his ability. We have broken our transfer record 3 seasons in a row now. I think one thing everyone surely must agree on with Moyes is that he is honest and principled if nothing else. How many times has he publicly stated that Kenright has worked tremendously hard to give him what funds he can - I don’t see how anyone can still doubt this.

There have been occassions where a large section of the support has called for Moyes’ head, which is another thing that always astounds me. Look at the state of the Club now compared with when Moyes took over (which was coincidentally relatively early in the Kenwright reign)...Lee Carsley (as a parting remark) said it was barely recognisable - in a positive way. Here, here Lee. Yet I am equally convinced that Moyes is still only a few bad results away from the vulchers circling again. Thankfully BK cares not for such idle, ignorant and fickle chatter and prefers to take the longer term view.

In my book (and by their own admission) Kenwright and Moyes are a double act in terms of striving to take this great Club of ours and theirs forward, albeit little by little. They both deserve our respect and gratitude for their efforts. In addition Moyes deserves our utter admiration for his skill and desire as a coach.

I see the prostitution of our neighbours ("DIC buy us out buy us out...no wait, you two yanks will be better...no hang on, come back DIC") and the constant wranglings between board and manager and I would be genuinely ashamed if our club was conducted like that. We are lucky we have Moyes and to a lesser extent Kenwright steering our ship.

It doesn’t quite add up, does it?

On the one hand, Kenwright is a fool, a liar, a disgrace to our club, and only in it to line his own pockets....

On the other, the club he has been stewarding has been the most successful outside the Rich 4 in recent years, has managed to retain the services of one of the most respected managers in the game, and is very widely admired for its stability and the way it does its business.

So we have done well as a club despite being led by some combination of Frank Spencer and Don Corleone, and Moyes has been prepared to hang in there with a charlatan and a thief?

It doesn’t quite add up, does it?

Trouble is, Neil, some of us have long memories and still aspire to the club motto.

I agree we?ve improved on the pitch and can now at least hope the increase in skill continues. The trust Kenwright showed in Moyes is commendable but Moyes is the real reason for our healthier league position ? I think he HAS learned from past mistakes.

Is Kenwright a great chairman or, like a certain nearby manager, merely lucky?

ps: I know we are skint so no get reals, live with its or end ofs, please...

Neil, steady on ? we haven't been the most successful team outside the top 4 in recent years. Both Spurs and Popmpey have won trophies in that time.

As for Kenwright, he is now basking in the glory of Moyes. Did anyone ask Kenwright to step down because he was "talking to Walter 24/7" when we were dire before the fans demanded he went?

It never ceases to amaze me the lies and the bullshit fans will swallow when we are doing well.

I just hope we don't fade away with the "smallest squad in the league" because half the current Kenwright lovers will be on here calling for his head.

At least those who judge him badly do it on a sound basis i.e., his constant stream of lies and incompetence at board level. We don't need foreign rich billionaires because they do not put their own money in anyway (except for Abramovic). We just need a successful competent businessman who can improve all the functions at EFC that Kenwright seems unable to do. Like marketing for a start.

I like the way our club is run.

I like the fact our chairman is a blue.

I like the fact that so many clubs with their big bucks and sugar-daddies are still dreaming of having a TEAM like ours.

I like the fact our squad isn?t made up of money-grabbing fancy dans and that we have players all over the park who want to fight for the team.

I really like the fact that I can now see that despite a lack of investment, it truely could be possible to break the top four.

I love Everton Football Club just the way we are. We?re still a proper football club.

I understand those who feel differently ? it?s difficult not to want what the likes of Chelsea have and the relative success it has brought.

I for one am glad that BK has avoided turning us into a soccer franchise and don?t mind giving him credit for what he has done. It is one of the reasons that I am so proud to be a blue.

I can actually say that I?m almost in love with Bill Kenwright right now... he?s done a fantastic job.

Kenwright is not perfect by any means but who is? Look over at the RS at Laurel & Hardy and the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of debt those yanks have put them in. Some of our ?fans? whine and cry like little babies when our club goes into a fraction of that debt - ridiculousanio!

The Moyesiah loves the bones of our chairman and that's good enough for me and I suspect most other normal Evertonians.

He comes 6th on football 365?s top 10 Premier League Chairmen! Quite a top 10 to compile. I?d take Billy Blue over Mike Ashley and Al Farthead any day.

"6) Bill Kenwright - Everton
As you might expect from someone whose other job is as a theatre producer, Kenwright is one of the more flamboyant chairmen in the Premier League, but that should not detract from his success and popularity at Goodison Park. His judgement should forever be trusted after appointing David Moyes, but beyond that Kenwright has sanctioned the breaking of Everton?s transfer record four times in as many years, with the purchases of James Beattie, Andy Johnson, Yakubu and Marouane Fellaini. Whether continuing to push for a move to Kirby from Goodison Park is a good thing depends on your point of view, but Kenwright remains realistic enough to know that serious investment is needed if Everton are ever to challenge the best in the Premier League, and has consistently stating that he would listen to any offers should anyone wish to purchase the club."

How the fuck do you compile a list of Premier League chairman? And who the fuck compiles it? I want that job, imagine sitting all day racking your brains.
Out of curiosity, who is the top six, and does the RS count as two? And who came bottom? It sounds like a government job creation scheme!

Is this how we want our club run?

Link to the BBC.

Pompey pay for chasing the dream

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/7879229.stm

I know it is not what I would or will want.

We all sing "If you know your history" at the game. I reckon Bill and Moysie do. Would you take a billionaire owner over that?

In answer to Simon Jones?s question above... YES, I would rather an astute billionaire with respect for the values of this club be in charge ahead of BK.

How can BK take any credit for our recent success? He hired Moyes, granted, but that was 6 years ago. All we?ve had since then is

"I want Alan Smith to partner Rooney" ? even though we never lodged an official bid!

"I wouldn't sell Rooney, for £50M" ?technically he didn't lie ? he sold him for £20M.

"Working 24/7 on investment" ? really? Then he is shit! (IMO).

"Watch this space" and "Wow players" ? enter Lars Jocabsen and Carlo Nash. No offence, Lars and Carlo!

DM and his players deserve the credit, not him. Don't confuse the fact BK didn't sack DM earlier out of loyalty! He couldn't afford to sack him. BK is very lucky that DM has always turned... it wouldn't before too long.

No investment, and therefore no decent transfer budgets and no future in the city of Liverpool. The legacy of Kenwright!

I remember listening to a very successful manager once who said "the secret of good senior management is to put the right people in place, then they?ll do it for you". Judged on that criteria BK has been a very successful Chairman. He backed his judgement on a young rookie from the lower leagues and has stood by him.

Result? We are no longer perennial relegation bets and are challenging for Europe every year, we have a manager everyone in football rates highly (apart from a few moaners in house), a team constantly improving on precious little resources (imagine what Moyes would have done with the funds given to Roy Keane at Sunderland).

No, BK may not get it right every time (who does?) but give the guy a break, we are stable AND challenging in the top six on comparative peanuts. That HAS to be good management on any criteria.

Like others on this forum, I?m a big fan of BK. For me the biggest fault that he has is that he?s not very rich (compared to other Premier League chairmen). You can?t fault him for that. He?s pumped money into the club, but he just doesn?t have the financial clout to build a new stadium, spend £30million on a player etc. Until we do have that sort of backing we?ll always remain at the level we are currently at, or worse.

As a side point: there is reference on here about how Kenwright did well to stick by Moyes after the 38-point season. I agree with this, but can we have some perspective please: I hardly missed a game that season, home or away, and the fact is we were NEVER in danger of going down. The reason we finished on such a low points tally was that the season was effectively over at the end of March when it was clear we were far enough out of the drop zone to stay clear. We suffered badly from having too much change (mainly due to injury) in the forward line ? Rooney, Jeffers, Campbell, Ferguson and Radzinski were all tried in different combinations. But we were never all that bad that season until the end of March when we went on that terrible losing streak. But at no point were we ever in the bottom three.

Comparing that season to 93-94, or 97-98 is wrong ? those two seasons (97-98 especially) we were terrible. Kenwright stuck by Moyes in 2003-04 largely because he was still doing a fairly decent job.

Howard,

You kind of contradict yourself;

"but give the guy a break, we are stable AND challenging in the top six on comparative peanuts. That HAS to be good management on any criteria."

Yes it is good management by DAVID MOYES. and NOT Kenwright.
Look I think BK is a decent bloke and I know he’s a lifelong Evertonian. BUT we maybe 6th in the premier league but look at our turnover/business model/commercial and marketing performance. We are barely top 10. THAT is BK’s realm as Chairman and major share holder. We perform very badly compared with not just Sky 4 clubs but also Villa, City, Newcastle, West Ham and Spurs! IN 8 years we are falling behind these clubs. If DM was to ever leave we may struggle as we currently punch well above our financial weight!
That is not good management by Kenwright!

You can point to Pompey and West Ham and say "Who wants a foreign owner?"...but then look at Villa with Lerner, Utd with Glazers do they regret foreign money?

"Oh yes I forgot Man U hadn?t already won 73 million prem titles. They were a plc on the stock exchange when the yanks came.
As for Villa, I think that might have something to do with a top manager"

Actually, after Abramovich and pre-Glazers, Man U were struggling on and off the pitch. They didn?t win a trophy for about 4 years and had a central midfield pairing of Alan Smith and Quinton Fortune! It wasn?t until the Glazers came that they started winning things again.

Kenwright......The Richard Nixon of Football Chairmen. Millions of gullable Americans actually voted for that lying, cheating, self-indulgent cretin.

Tim, please enlighten us as to the money that ?Kenwright has pumped into the club?. I fear I must have been asleep for the 9 years that he has been owner and missed that one.

Phil, I take you point to some extent and yes I?m sure we?d all (especially BK I suspect) love a Randy Lerner on board, someone who?d quietly back Moyes with real investment but they don?t seem to be out there queuing up to buy us. I just feel BK deserves some credit for our current position, lots of Ashley type chairmen would have bottled out of sticking with Moyes during the "wobbly" periods and probably wouldn?t have appointed such a rookie manager in the first place (Keegan or Kinnear anyone?).

With regard to turnover, competing with some of the non-Sky4 examples you quote is obviously what we need to do but not so easy. Newcastle ? single club city massive fan base to sell merchandise to and significantly higher gate receipts compared to ours. London Clubs ? much higher revenue stream from season tickets and West Ham?s owners could be on their Icelandic knees soon. City ? new stadium just dropped into their lap.

All I?m really trying to say is that some of the criticism BK gets is way over the top. Some knockers talk as if their is some magic wand he could wave if only he?d get his finger out and it just ain?t that easy.

Billy Dean, Man U have never been lower than 3rd in the Prem. Also the ONLY season they never won anything was 2005.

Whilst it is true they didn?t win the league for 4 years, they still won the FA Cup, and the League Cup in that time.

Sorry for sounding like a manc, but let's have the facts straight.

Hypothetically, If Kenwright won Euromillions 5 weeks running and suddenly found himself very rich, would you want him in charge still or would you want foreign investment instead? Is the main problem, the fact that he’s no money?

I can’t decide.

Howard,

I accept your point of view and mean no disrepect to you or your argument. I personally just feel BK is riding the wave of success created by Moyes. IMO Kenwright has delievered nothing off the pitch. I appreciate you can argue City have a new stadium, Newcastle are a one club city etc... but we are one of the grandest, most presitgious names in English football. Yet Kenwright doesn?t even think we could fill a shop in our own city centre. So really how can we trust this guy to sell us to potential investors?

These guys aren?t stupid they?ll look at our books and have a walk round the city. They probably regard EFC as a dinosaur with its best days behind. Yet nothing has been done to address this. We have a joke of a marketing and commerical department. We don't market the club and it can sometimes feel that we are only ever mentioned as "Liverpool?s rivals". We should be moving forward (off the pitch) increasing turnover, building links abroad and increasing our presence.

If all that isn't enough, I just can't handle anymore of his quotes and ?mistruths? about "Wow players".

It isn't just about being rich (compare Lerner to Gaydamak) ? it's about Business Acumen and competence to a do a job off the field too. Successful clubs these days are strong on AND off the field! I wouldn't expect BK with £50M to become any more competent!

John Taylor, sorry ? only just read your response... but to be fair, how easy is it to say in the current credit crunch and very few chairmen elsewhere giving managers anywhere near the seven years DM has had to still be without a trophy or even final appearance? DM knows he is on to a good deal; no bell end from the failure of a chairman (please explain how he isn?t) and a decent wedge.

As mentioned by other posters, it's not just about being potless or minted, it?s about knowing how to run a business properly ? something BK has repeatedly failed at Everton Football Club with our losses and outsourcing (yes, done by the CEO but who employed him? And at the end of any day in business land the CEO doesn?t rubber stamp decisions, the Board does ? and that is headed by BK).

RE Graham Steven, my point with regard to cyber space was that, prior to me joining the internet world, I was of the belief that Evertonians on the whole were a knowledgeable set of fans in comparison to other clubs; however, after reading other Evertonian views over the past 2 years, I now know this view was very naive, as we have got as many whoppers as anyone else and indeed probably worse than most clubs. As I have previously stated most other fans of other clubs would not put up with half the shite that we do.

From Mills and Boon?s latest Romance and Detective series - ?Blue Heaven?.

From Page 167


As Rupert took Richard in his strong, powerful arms, a surge of electricity shot through both of their bodies, as though they were one.

"What are you thinking ?Doddy??" asked Rupert.

He always called him ?Doddy? when they were alone.

Doddy sighed "Oh just that everyone is so cruel to Bill and they say such awful, frightful things about him".

Rupert smiled.

"Oh Doddy, you?re such a scatterbrain, you must not let them get to you. They?re wrong and they always will be".

Their voices could be heard clearly by detective EJ Ruane of the Walton PD, who was outside the lover?s suite with his men.

On his command, the door was smashed down and in went the extremely handsome, young looking cop with his men.

"Freeze motherf...."

Ruane was stopped in his tracks.

There was only one person in the room, sitting on the bed, rocking backwards and forwards.

Back at the station the police psychologist spoke.

"You see there never was a ?Doddy? OR a ?Rupert?"

Ruane was confused.

"So who IS this..."

"This? This.......is Bill" came the reply.

They all looked at the silver-haired figure sitting hunched in the chair, mumbling in a bunch of different voices.

"Alright Sylvester lad......I love Goodison but we have to move on.....got to move on....Bill Knows what he?s doing....Bill?s a Blue.....Bill?s a good Evertonian"

Ruane left the office, ran down the stairs and into the street.

He lit up a Benson and inhaled.

It felt good.

Having helped solve the Bill case, he wondered how many other voices this lunatic had been responsible for.

Was he Neil too? Dick?

Sure he?d had some answers, the problem was there seemed to be a lot more questions

The insanity wasn?t over.............yet.

E.J. Ruane
Very funny, if you ever finish the story, Bill might put it on at the Empire.

I am wrong in thinking we have broken our transfer record every season for the last couple of seasons?? And in doing this, not sold anyone other than free transfers??

This sounds like a good chairman to me, we don't have the millions and it's painful knowing that 3 or 4 more top players would get us where we want to be but we have to do it gradually. I am happy with this, I mean look at our team now: Jagielka, Howard, Cahill, Lescott, Pienaar, Fellaini, Yakubu etc compare that with the Everton team that survived against Coventry or even more recently the team with Rooney that finished on 39pts.

I agree with the earlier post, if BK had more cash you would be happy, that's all it is.

....he was NEVER all Bill, but he was OFTEN all Doddy...

Mike Valentin, we may have broken our transfer record for the last 2 seasons, although there is serious doubt about Fellaini?s cost and they were paid for out of sales of outgoing players. I might also add that our record fee is significantly less than a number of other Premier League sides. So we have reduced our already threadbare squad to even lower numbers to fund these players.

AND FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT - KENWRIGHT HAS NOT PUT A PENNY OF HIS OWN MONEY INTO THE CLUB>

He has actually taken the club to record debts of around £70 million.

Do you guys not wonder why we?ve had 4 Chief execs in 8 years under Kenwright and why Fat Keith (with a very dubious Resume) was paid 4 times the previous CE plus massive bonuses and why Earl and Green sailed half way round the world to do a deal to keep his mouth shut.

Kenwright is the classic illusionist telling people what they want to hear rather than doing what they want. His history of lies is legend and I ask myself do we want a compulsive liar as chairman of EFC.

My answer is a resounding NO.

EJ in all my anger at the pro-Kenwright movement I forgot to say BRILLIANT PIECE ? I?m still chuckling.

Bernie, fair enough, but in my opinion they had a really weak squad and never looked remotely like winning the league in that time. They needed the Glazers to come in so that they could start to regain the ground they lost on Chelsea post-Abramovich. Without that they probably wouldn’t have become the behemoth that they are now.

Bernie Ashe, to answer ur question:

Bottom of the top 10 is the Glazers.
6) BK
5) Abramovich
4) Steve Gibson!!!! (he?s good if your a shit manager
3) Al-Mubarak at City
2) Niall Quinn!!
1) Randy Lerner

If you want to sum up the emotions and feelings of let down by many fans in relation to Kenwright and his many porky pies, then you can do it simply in two words:

Kings Dock

Billy:
The Glaziers didn’t put their own money in either, they have left the club with 700 mill debt. Same thing with the RS only less figures.
That’s easier to pay off when you have 257 mill income of course but still a debt that they did not have before the takeover.
I not all "OK with BK" either, he is a showman and actor, assuming you count Corrie as acting, but he is a proper blue.
Sometimes we are all too ready jump, that we forget to look at to what we are jumping into.

Cheers Dan:
Steve Gibson must have the patience of a saint.

I tried to make a point, but EJ?s post made me laugh so much it didn't matter
A funny, funny, man

MikeValention, how ill informed can you be? Or have I missed something.

Can you tell me did we give Beattie and Johnson away?

(RICH JONES) Wasn?t thinking when I put that post (just got up), not to mention McFadden as well (£5m), but the team is moving forward. I like anyone else hopes we can get the extra spending power to reak that top 4 were close but not close enough, but right now the important thing is to continue to support the team, we sometimes spend too much time talking about the goings on off the pitch even when the team's playng well. We are not a crisis club like some others but sometimes on here you would think we are.

Mike sorry to put you straight again but under the superficial success of Moyes and the team we are a club in crisis.

We?ve posted operating losses averaging around £10 million a year, our marketing/commercial income is one of the worst in the top 12 in the prem and Billy Boy has taken us to a record debt level of around £70 million despite the sales of a number of players including Rooney.

There is also the highly dubious charge to Kirkby which will place us in serious debt and result in major hikes in ticket prices despite the recent trend to reduce the cost of match attendance.

That is why there was an EGM called to air the concerns of the shareholders. But once again Billy liar staved them off because of the way he?s constructed his shareholding.

And don't believe a word of the "looking for investment 24/7" or the "Everton need a billionaire".

What EFC need is an honest hardworking chairman who has business acumen. Bullshit Billy is not that man just ask the 4 previous CE?s or any of the shareholders.

The only reason that BK hasn’t done the same as Portsmouth is that he doesn’t have the money himself, investors to back him nor the financial credibility to borrow from the banks.
It’s (bad) luck not (good) judgement.

Eric, how can you possibly know that? What you are saying mate is ? IF Kenwright had more money, he would have ruined Everton just like has happened at Portsmouth. Why? On what can you possibly base this (apart from simple Kenwright hatred)?

The facts are that, with the money that Everton have, relative to other clubs we have been pretty conservatively managed, and have manageable levels of debts relative to almost any other club in the Premier League.

You guys hate Kenwright so much, and so irrationally, that you don?t know whether to attack him for being too conservative or too reckless. So you decide to attack him for both.

Why does Billy bullshit? It’s to cover his tracks because he’s skint. The Fortress Fund was a smokescreen because he’s skint. Kings Dock, he led us down the path while he desperately tried to find money but it all fell through because he’s skint. The same will happen with DK, it won’t happen because he’s skint.

His biggest crime was not selling when he had the chance because he got greedy and thought the club would be worth more if he could engineer a ground move. As well as we’re doing in the league, financially we are not in as good shape as Neil Pearse seems to think.

Neil Pearce is fascinating (if he wasn't such a sad gullible fool or a plant) because he toes the club line to a tee, ie, that Bill is trying his best but just hasn?t got the wherewithal to get us to the next level. Fair enough, but then he tries to justify Kirkby as a means to get rid of him, by saying that I agree with you, let's move to Kirkby so that Kenwright can sell and we get the rich guy we?ve always dreamt of having.

And so we sell our soul, our city heritage... for what? FUCK ALL ? THAT'S WHAT!!!

No promise of silverware or anything ? just the loss of everything that makes Everton Everton. I think it says it all that the Daily Post, the Liverpool Echo, will not show KEIOC?s images of what could be achieved at Goodison and the loop because they know it can be... otherwise, why would they not show them???