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After the great victory today, I visited the BBC website to see their ?impartial? view on how the game seemed for a neutral. My eyes were drawn to the 606 feature and I started reading banter, argument and counter-argument between fans of Everton, Villa and Arsenal. One comment popped up which hit a nerve on something that has been itching me a while now. It came from a Manchester City fan praising David Moyes and then stating along the lines of: ?.... he should be given a bigger club, and I would love to see him in Manchester?.

Obviously it was slammed down by the Evertonians on the forum but it showed me further that modern football fans of certain clubs are like Augustus Gloop of Willy Wonka fame. Fat greedy stupid spoiled kids.

Manchester City, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle and obviously more seem to have this inflated sense of who their team actually is. The media?s love of Spurs, Sky raving about the ?toon? and Man City?s new wealth seem to give their fans a brainwash that whoever they want they can have, and then disregard them when finished. To then move onto the new flavour of the month to start the process again.

These idiots do not see that Moyes has had both positive and negative periods as Everton?s manager and spells where their trigger happy chairmen would be forced to relieve him of his duties. The reason Everton are in the position they are in, is stability and slow progress.

I remember Newcastle fans booing Bobby Robson, effectively getting him sacked, and turning on Allardyce because they never fancied him and then expect a top manager to go there?!

Spurs at Goodison three years ago turned Everton over and finished 5th, with a big strong, athletic side until Jol. Their head was turned by a ?name? of Ramos and look at them now!

Modern football is ridiculous and Everton like any club have fans whose views are wide of the mark to say the least. But listening on phone-ins and reading on the internet some of the nonsense that comes out of these spoiled fat kids mouths makes me proud we?ve stuck by our manager through good and bad. And proud we never fell for the multi-million pound foreign coach idea which seems crazier and crazier by the passing day.
Ged Jennings, Liverpool     Posted 15/02/2009 at 20:55:59

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James Byrne
1   Posted 16/02/2009 at 06:07:37

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You?re spot on Ged.

Over the past how many years these "Fashion" supporters all come out of the woodwork as soon as there club is recognised with a certain level of fame through wealth or a passionate session of arse licking two and from the media.

I am extremely proud that we have demonstrated to most of the Premier League that we have stuck behind our manager, through good and bad, on a shoestring over the past seven years. No other club or Manager in the English Prem could have achieved so much with so little and still retained a passionate and loyal fanbase.

I was only saying to a couple of pals yesterday that this is probably the best Everton side I have seen for over a decade; so full credit to Everton as a club for staying with Moyes; I know it hasn?t always been pretty or pleasant, but surely we are due some Silverware soon.

COYB?s
Jason Lam
2   Posted 16/02/2009 at 06:54:23

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Totally agree. I find delight in their fans who simply indulge in debates as to whichever ’world class player’ should join them to solve their problem at left-back, when they’ve already got 2. Or which manager (as you’re already mentioned) should be managing their team as if it’s the Holy Grail of all managerial jobs and God given right.

The problem is when our players feel the same way too! Manure wanted Rooney and nicked him in broad daylight, regardless of agents involvement. Barmby anyone? It’s not just barcodes, spuds, shitteh - the ’top4’ fans are lemmings too, which is why I would just love to win this fucking league.

No need to worry about barcodes, spuds, shitteh and villa - let them be in their little pond.
Patty Beesley
3   Posted 16/02/2009 at 08:55:18

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You are definitely right about Man City... now they are after John Terry. Think they can have anyone and, for all their big spendings and so-called stars, lost again on Saturday.
Duncan Lennard
4   Posted 16/02/2009 at 09:28:39

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Jason, I think our team spirit has come from a policy of not buying players who are going to have their eyes turned by the so-called Big Prize ? symbolised by the likes of Neville, who left Man U to play for us, and of course Arteta, Cahill, Lescott and, well, anyone. It sounds naive, but they seem to have a genuine affection for our club, it supporters and values it stands for. When Rooney started kicking off, we got shut. When Radzinski started mouthing off about being better off somewhere else, we got shut. Ditto Barmby. Long may it continue.
Alan Kirwin
5   Posted 16/02/2009 at 09:40:23

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Ged, top article. Spot on in every sense.

The media fascination with Spurs is now just a stale joke. They’ve won the league twice in their history and not for 48 years. In recent times they’ve won a Carling cup and had two 5th places. Whoopy-fucking-dooda.

They’ve fallen into the hole that tells them they somehow have a right to success (whatever that means in their bizarre vocabulary). It is paradoxicaly Everton’s current lack of (unearned) wealth that has played an important part in our standing. Whatever our shortcomings on occasions, it is a club clearly at relative peace with itself from top to bottom.

City are just a music-hall joke, and their CEO Cooke is the biggest joke of all. This guys drivel about their "journey" and how "AC Milan bottled it" with Kaka are living proof that verbal & sporting diarrhoea are the order of the day at Man City these days. They now measure success by which megastars they can prize away from their clubs with grotesque financial inducements. Wayne Bridge now earns more per week than our entire defence!!

The irony of Everton supporting Moyes when we finished 17th and missed relegation by a point, after the worst run in our history, will be lost to the wankers who follow the media darlings. And right now, I couldn’t give a toss what they think about anything. What we are doing and how we are doing it brings more satisfaction than can ever be the case with these other circus’. Can you imagine our expectations if we’d spent what Spurs or City had?
Richard Watts
6   Posted 16/02/2009 at 10:20:51

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Spot on! agree with both the points made here:

1) Stability is vital. It is no coincidence at all that the clubs in the top six tend to be the best run with the longest serving managers. Chelsea are the exception that proves the rule - their chopping and changing has turned a championship winning team into also-rans in 2 years.

2) The so-called big clubs of Spurs, Man City, Newcastle etc. are an embarassment to football. Why on earth would DM want to leave stability he has at Everton for a one of these fantasy-big-clubs and get the ’opportunity’ to have the chairman spend lots of money on his belhalf - on players he doens’t want - and to be sacked after one season when, funilly enough, the team doesn’t gel as a result.
Joe Halligan
7   Posted 16/02/2009 at 11:09:54

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I wonder if anyone knows how much Moyes has spent during his whole tenure? And then made from selling? And this compared to Spurs, City, Newcastle and Villa?? He must have spent less during his seven years than Sven at City in his one season or Hughes this season and even Spurs in one season!! I really don?t think he is given enough credit when due, especially from the media!
Joe Halligan
8   Posted 16/02/2009 at 12:33:06

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Am I the only one who feels like the whole world is crazy!! I mean don?t get me wrong, I rate Villa and I think their fans are better than most but I'm left flabbergasted after reading this article?? http://www.football365.com/mailbox/story/0,17033,8744_4927935,00.html
Vince Hindson
9   Posted 16/02/2009 at 13:01:21

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Great article Jed - one note; I would have suggested Veruca Salt: ’I want a squirrel!’
Dave Griffin
10   Posted 16/02/2009 at 13:07:47

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Another irony is that if some of the regulars on this site (you know who you are) had their way Moyes would have been long gone. And where would we be now if that had happened? Back in the dark days of the Walter Smith era I suspect.
Bernie Ashe
11   Posted 16/02/2009 at 13:08:31

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Joe, I’ve just read that link.
This is clearly one very disturbed individual.
We play hoofball and they don’t? yeah right.
Amazing the things you say when you lose (and we’ve all done it).
Just ignore them, we are Everton.
James Marshall
12   Posted 16/02/2009 at 13:35:03

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I love that City keep losing, its hilarious - that and the fact that they keep trying to unsettle players who will never sign for them; John Terry at City?? Hahaha, fantastic, long may it continue with City making a mockery of themselves whilst we flourish at the higher end of the table and latter stages of the cup!

We were outstanding yesterday, and putting Villa to the sword was doubley exciting for me, as not only did we owe them one, but I have a HUGE dislike for their manager (who I cant even name such is the dislike of the man) with his constant whinging and irritating voice. I cant even look at him when he?s onscreen.

Up the blues!
Alan Clarke
13   Posted 16/02/2009 at 14:39:05

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So what if the press don’t like us or other fans think we’re a small club? The majority of Everton fans are local to Merseyside hence a lack of interest and a total lack of understanding about Everton from other areas of the country. But are any of us that different to these other fans? I’ve called for Moyes to be sacked on many occasions as have a lot of other people on this site.

I’ve wished for a big money buyer similar to the Saudi’s in charge of Man City. So if I’d have had my way, we’d have sacked Moyes and we’d have some total jokers in charge of the club trying to sign Terry and Kaka. I’m glad I don’t run Everton because we’d be in a mess, and that goes for a lot of other Evertonians!
Ped Pearl
14   Posted 16/02/2009 at 14:52:59

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James, yes it is funny that City keep losing. Remarkable really - you cant see Hughes keeping his job after this season. Didn’t Jo say that they are just individuals and not a real team like us blues.

(martin o’neil)
James Green
15   Posted 16/02/2009 at 16:37:11

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Couldn?t care what happens at other clubs to be honest.

Saying that, I hope Citeh keep hold of Hughes 'til we?ve scrapped enough pennies together to get Jo, cos if rumours are correct and Scolari goes to Citeh, Jo might not want to stay!

Maybe I?m getting ahead of myself, let's just get top 4 and win the FA Cup!!!
Kevin Gillen
16   Posted 16/02/2009 at 16:46:59

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City are a big club. I?m always amazed how Man Utd have so much media attention. For all the romance of the Busby Babes and of the 1968 European Cup side, City were a much better team in the early 70s and late 60s. I can remember some fantastic matches between Man City and Everton. They had so many players to hate (Summerbee, Francis Lee, Doyle) largely I suppose because they were good. Summerbee in particular was a class act.

I did once take great pleasure in going to watch them play Huddersfield in the third division though with a pal. They got beat. They had two Russian centre halves and Michael Brown in the midfield. If we think we have suffered as Evertonians believe you me, nothing compares to the ignominy they have suffered in the past thirty years.

I?m glad Moyes?s contract is sorted. We?ve poached their manager on a number of occasions (Kendall twice I think) and, much as I respect them, I wouldn?t want our dire financial situation to come and haunt us. I think Hughes is getting it badly wrong though. You can?t build a team around the likes of Bellamy, he?s crackers. They are going to have big problems trying to build a team, they?ve got a lot of promising young players and they are going to need time ? time they haven?t got.

Chris Wisnlet
17   Posted 16/02/2009 at 18:06:12

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Did anyone near the Everton fan on Spoony’s 606 5 live phone in last night? He likened Roman Abramovich to a WAG and Chelsea to the WAG’s trophy little dog carried around in her Gucci bag. Priceless!

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