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OK here's the scenario. You're in town and some bloke without reason comes and jumps two footed on your shin area causing excruciating pain. Now this happen in front of fifty people with 3 coppers close by and is captured on CCTV. The lad says, "Sorry, I didn't mean it." What do you think would happen.
A) Sorry you can't play football for 3 weeks?
Or
B) Handcuffed and marched to the local nick where their charged with intend to cause GBH, bailed and told to appear in court at a later date?
Answer B
Now Kevin Nolan's ... most call it a 'tackle' ? I'd call it an assault on Victor Anichebe was in front of over 40,000 people with at least 100 coppers and captured live on British Television for the World to see. What do you think will happen
A) Sorry you can't play football for 3 weeks?
Or
B) Handcuffed and marched to the local nick where he's charged with intend to cause GBH, bailed and told to appear in court at a later date?
Answer A.
Now what's the difference? You're on a football pitch so you can do what ever you like? Bollocks. It's about time we put a stop to these tackles by making an example of someone. Let's start with Nolan. If I hear one more talking head coming out with "he's not that sort of player" I'll put my foot through the telly. He is that sort of player, he proved it yesterday. Imagine if he'd done that to Ronaldo or Gerrard. There'd be questions in the House of Commons by now.
What do we do with him / them who commit this type of foul? Personally, I think over the top tackles of this nature should carry a mandatory 9-game ban, with severe cases, leg breaks etc longer. Also a minimum fine of a months wages. I honestly believe it's the only way to stop these cowardly and disgraceful tackles. Would I be typing this if Victor would have done it to Nolan, you bet your life I would.
Kevin Jones, Posted 23/02/2009 at 12:04:18
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Well said Kev, agree fully with you. The lunge was premeditated and to suggest it be described as a ’tackle’ is ludicrous and the apologetic support for Nolan fails to grasp the issue. There was something consistently sinister about the barcodes efforts throughout the game that went without comment and served to illustrate that they have no class whatsoever.
Assume you are not serious? Mistimed tackles happen in footy , if Moyes can accept it so should you.
Your idea of nine match bans ( why 9?) and month long fines would be impossible to enforce.
How do you define what is mistimed and unlucky against deliberate ?
Agree with you that much more would be made of this had it been done on Gerrard/Ronaldo. The managers involved would not have the class Moyes ahowed.
Your idea of nine match bans ( why 9?) and month long fines would be impossible to enforce.
How do you define what is mistimed and unlucky against deliberate ?
Agree with you that much more would be made of this had it been done on Gerrard/Ronaldo. The managers involved would not have the class Moyes ahowed.
Jamie Redknapp said in his column that it was not malicious! How can it be anything other than malicious? He had no intention of going for the ball and he had every intention of getting Victor. If Neville or any other Blue had done that to any other player in the PL he would have been vilified by all and sundry.
Denis, I agree with you there was something deeper to Newcastle?s game plan and it was ugly. Hull tried the same thing at Goodison in January and largely got away with it. Am I right in saying that only Nolan and Fellaini saw the Ref?s cards yesterday. I find it a bloody joke when we are picking up yellows left right and centre, especially at Goodison for minor misdemeanours, whilst others can resort to thuggery and get away with it.
The press has given us an unfair reputation for being a physical team, the refs believe we are and so do the opposition this then leads to the sort of tactics that the barcodes employed yesterday. I hope United give them a bloody good thumping when they play them in the next few weeks. It will shut them ignorant kopites up who now tell me our season is over and with Gerrard back in the frame theirs is just beginning.
Whats the difference? The fact that as professional footballers they accept that these things can happen as part of their job? An occupational hazard i think they call it.
The tackle was not malicious or intended to cause injury; rather, it was clumsy, mis-timed and unfortunate.
Hold the horses! Woh!
Lets get things in perspective here. If you do this to someone on the street, then yes it is premeditated and is assault. You’re on your way to prison.
This was a mistimed tackle on a football pitch, which is a thing that happens from time to time, either on purpose or not. The player got his red card and will service his ban.
Personally, I think all these 2 footed tackles should be judged by the FA afterwards and longer bans should be dished out on evidence of the tv replay footage... He should get 6 games for this type of tackle.
Lets not forget that if you just blatantly assault someone, no matter on the pitch or not, you will be up in front of a judge... Just ask our very own Duncan Ferguson.. He went to jail for nutting someone on the pitch. It wasn’t a ’tackle’, therefore he could be charged with common assault..
Lets get things in perspective here. If you do this to someone on the street, then yes it is premeditated and is assault. You’re on your way to prison.
This was a mistimed tackle on a football pitch, which is a thing that happens from time to time, either on purpose or not. The player got his red card and will service his ban.
Personally, I think all these 2 footed tackles should be judged by the FA afterwards and longer bans should be dished out on evidence of the tv replay footage... He should get 6 games for this type of tackle.
Lets not forget that if you just blatantly assault someone, no matter on the pitch or not, you will be up in front of a judge... Just ask our very own Duncan Ferguson.. He went to jail for nutting someone on the pitch. It wasn’t a ’tackle’, therefore he could be charged with common assault..
Graham (No Relation? ) Nolan , footballers quite rightly accept getting injured by legitimate attempts to win the ball , however , they don’t expect an opponent to launch themselves and jump onto their ankle/shin. I don’t want players to go to jail for what happens on a football pitch , but I do expect the FA and authoriites to give more of a ban for rank dangerous foul play. Nolan has 10 yellows and a red to his name Fellaini has 11 yellows. I don’t think the big fella has committed a foul that could be deemed as nasty. Gerrard did it to Naysmith, Kuyt did it to Neville but they look tame in comparison to Nolan’s.
Big Dunc was jailed for 3 months for GBH in a Scottish League match. So why can’t this type of disgraceful assault be treated in a similar manner?
Tell you what Kevin why dont we fine players for spitting and dropping Lucozade sports bottles.I mean litter bugs need locking up as well.Oh and the swearing is getting out of hand so lets have a swear box behind each goal.Pushing and shoving at corners can also be seen as actual bodily harm so lets put any player in nick for that as well.In fact why dont you go and watch the ballet instead of a contact sport played by grown men.
Pathetic post mate
Pathetic post mate
Totally disagree with the article...It’s footy. Stuff happens.
I believe that this type of tackle is indefensible for the following reason.....
A two-footed tackle means that you are FULLY commiting yourself to remaining in the air, landing with both feet together - intending to hit whatever gets in the way! Gerrard on Naismith being another case in point.
If you do not agree with that statement then provide me with a valid option.
There is no excuse whatsoever for that kind of tackle - it should carry an automatic GBH sentence with it.
A two-footed tackle means that you are FULLY commiting yourself to remaining in the air, landing with both feet together - intending to hit whatever gets in the way! Gerrard on Naismith being another case in point.
If you do not agree with that statement then provide me with a valid option.
There is no excuse whatsoever for that kind of tackle - it should carry an automatic GBH sentence with it.
mmm, to me some of you sound like you didn’t actually play team football at any stage, this shit goes on and always has, live with it, loads of stuff like this happens involving other teams all the time and this subject doesn’t get raised then.
Kevin, you are a very angry young man. These things happen, deal with it. He apologised to Moyes and Vic, and got sent off and will serve a ban. That’s the end of it as far as most people are concerned.
Simon, lad - it may have been back in the 50’s when I first started getting kicked on a pitch - however, we did NOT deliberately fly through the air two-footed on anyone (with those boots, it was a struggle!). If you even attempted thuggery like that, your own team-mates would boot sh*t out of you for it!
I agree with Chris Jones senitiments, if you enter a physical contact sport you have to be accept that these things happen, not to that they shouldnt be punished within the sport.
If you got headbutted in boxing it wouldnt end up in the courts, if you walk through a shower at some point your goin to get wet.
What I will say is it did appear Nolan was looking at Victor not the ball, also he is very lucky it was Victor he did it to, if had not been such a strong lad I’m sure he would have broke his leg
If you got headbutted in boxing it wouldnt end up in the courts, if you walk through a shower at some point your goin to get wet.
What I will say is it did appear Nolan was looking at Victor not the ball, also he is very lucky it was Victor he did it to, if had not been such a strong lad I’m sure he would have broke his leg
Not sure about extending the bans and/or fines.
But I firmly believe that when a player is put out of commission for an extended period of time by a horrendous tackle (intentional or not) that the responsible players club should be held liable for the injured players wages until he returns to action.
But I firmly believe that when a player is put out of commission for an extended period of time by a horrendous tackle (intentional or not) that the responsible players club should be held liable for the injured players wages until he returns to action.
Let’s not be hypocritical here, did you say the same when Dunc punched or throttled an opponent? Can the laws of the street really be applied to an adrenaline fuelled sport?
Should Carsley have been arrested when he crockedhis own teamate Cahill a couple of seasons ago? Like Chris Jones said at the top, you accept it might happen by entering the field of play. There is assumed consent by football players when they enter on to the pitch that they might get hurt. It’s only if it goes beyond reasonable such as Big Dunc punching or headbutting an oponent that they can get punished by the law.
What it’s shown, is Kevin Nolan is just a big fucking yard dog who’s always 5 yards behind the play. And to think some dickheads were saying we should sign him!
What it’s shown, is Kevin Nolan is just a big fucking yard dog who’s always 5 yards behind the play. And to think some dickheads were saying we should sign him!
Ban them for the same amount of time the injured player is out, stop their wages for the same length of time. Donate them to the injured players former players foundation!!!!
Sorted.
Sorted.
Lee Mason, the ref, played a part in this. Ignoring Taylor’s late challenge attempting to intimidate Rodwell (which he didn’t), he told the home team that they could more or less do what they wanted. I think he saw his career evaporating before his eyes when Nolan went in and pulled out the red.
Why did he book Fellaini? Oh well, none of his peers were going to question that were they.
Why did he book Fellaini? Oh well, none of his peers were going to question that were they.
I accept that when you enter the football pitch, there is a chance you might get injured but how on Earth is a two footed challenge "mistimed" or not "pre-meditated?".
I have put many rash challenges in in my time but the only two footed challenge that I did make, much to my shame, certainly was pre-meditated. It has to be! Therefore Kevin has a point!
I have put many rash challenges in in my time but the only two footed challenge that I did make, much to my shame, certainly was pre-meditated. It has to be! Therefore Kevin has a point!
Kevin, I share you sentiment not because I think every challenge deserves harsh punishment but for the fact that I simply do not believe Nolan mistimed his challenge, the incident came directly after Victor had won the ball with a great challenge. Personally I thought Nolan’s challenge was premeditated he was nowhere near the ball and jumping in with both feet and studs showing. I’m afraid the apology simply doesn’t wash with me. Possibly one of the worst challenges I’ve ever seen, total disgrace and deserving of further punishment.
Gary Tuder. You took the words out of my keyboad.
This is a case of premeditated assault and battery. Jail the ba-t--d!!!
I remember Glen Hoddle flying in at Goodisson with all studs reflecting in the sunshine and not a word was said as he was a southern favourite. Nolan is just sh-te red or not.
Dispicable behaviour. Terrible exampel to youngsters as are Ronaldo,the gerbil, Yak + a few with their diving/cheating.
This is a case of premeditated assault and battery. Jail the ba-t--d!!!
I remember Glen Hoddle flying in at Goodisson with all studs reflecting in the sunshine and not a word was said as he was a southern favourite. Nolan is just sh-te red or not.
Dispicable behaviour. Terrible exampel to youngsters as are Ronaldo,the gerbil, Yak + a few with their diving/cheating.
Kevin Nolan is a Liverpool fan.
Not trying to imply anything here =P
Not trying to imply anything here =P
The difference is a word called CONTEXT mate.
Simple.
Anichebe is paid good money to play a physical sport.
You post is gay, it’s almost as bad as saying why don’t boxers get arrested!
Bet you are a Moyes apologist Kevin haha
Simple.
Anichebe is paid good money to play a physical sport.
You post is gay, it’s almost as bad as saying why don’t boxers get arrested!
Bet you are a Moyes apologist Kevin haha
Kevin - Spot on and well written, no over-reaction.
Chris Jones - By going on to a sporting arena you do not consent to being assaulted. Don’t be ridiculous. There is a word of difference between mistimed tackles and leaping off the floor with both feet together and planting them on the leg of an opponent. Nolan doesn’t look at the ball. Accidents & injuries happen in contact sport, no problem. This was not an accident it was premeditated and disgusting.
David Jones - Don’t be ridiculous. Not only is it customary to tackle using one foot, it is actually illegal to do it with two. Add to that the fact that 1) it was all studs, 2) he actually leaped off the floor and planted both feet simultaneously on Anichebe’s leg, 3) he wasn’t looking at the ball - and you have your definition. It is a worn out load of old bollocks that believes such assaults remain part of football and can’t be stopped.
Also you overlook the obligation that all sportsmen & women undertake both legally and in spirit, notably their duty of care to fellow professionals. Nolan failed that big time.
Denis - Fully agree with you. Several of us were watching on TV here in Arundel and we were all surprised by the industrial nature of so many of Newcastle’s challenges. I was shocked when the ref held up the red card as he’d been so ridiculously lenient, regularly having a word when a card would do fine.
Damian - excellent point about Big Dunc. His head contact was a hundred times milder than Nolan’s assault. Dunc’s was also a reaction (or gross over-reaction) to verbal & physical abuse. Nolan’s was pre-meditated & a reaction to nothing.
How Victor’s leg wasn’t broken is just amazing. It actually bent under the impact of 180lbs landing on his leg via two groups of studs. Had it broken in 2 places, as was likely, then we would surely be looking at a court case.
I’m afraid those apologising for Nolan, including the misguided Redknapp, are spouting drivel. He’s a coward and a liar. If, after seeing this, the FA don’t ban him for at least 6 and preferably 10 games then they are also cowards failing to apply justice.
Sometimes Moyes displays too much tolerance. He should never talk about Nolan not being "that" kind of player (have we ever heard a manager admit that someone WAS that kind of player). Nolan is lucky that Anichebe’s manager has such class & restraint. Had it been Benitez or Ferguson then he’d probably have been arrested on the spot.
Chris Jones - By going on to a sporting arena you do not consent to being assaulted. Don’t be ridiculous. There is a word of difference between mistimed tackles and leaping off the floor with both feet together and planting them on the leg of an opponent. Nolan doesn’t look at the ball. Accidents & injuries happen in contact sport, no problem. This was not an accident it was premeditated and disgusting.
David Jones - Don’t be ridiculous. Not only is it customary to tackle using one foot, it is actually illegal to do it with two. Add to that the fact that 1) it was all studs, 2) he actually leaped off the floor and planted both feet simultaneously on Anichebe’s leg, 3) he wasn’t looking at the ball - and you have your definition. It is a worn out load of old bollocks that believes such assaults remain part of football and can’t be stopped.
Also you overlook the obligation that all sportsmen & women undertake both legally and in spirit, notably their duty of care to fellow professionals. Nolan failed that big time.
Denis - Fully agree with you. Several of us were watching on TV here in Arundel and we were all surprised by the industrial nature of so many of Newcastle’s challenges. I was shocked when the ref held up the red card as he’d been so ridiculously lenient, regularly having a word when a card would do fine.
Damian - excellent point about Big Dunc. His head contact was a hundred times milder than Nolan’s assault. Dunc’s was also a reaction (or gross over-reaction) to verbal & physical abuse. Nolan’s was pre-meditated & a reaction to nothing.
How Victor’s leg wasn’t broken is just amazing. It actually bent under the impact of 180lbs landing on his leg via two groups of studs. Had it broken in 2 places, as was likely, then we would surely be looking at a court case.
I’m afraid those apologising for Nolan, including the misguided Redknapp, are spouting drivel. He’s a coward and a liar. If, after seeing this, the FA don’t ban him for at least 6 and preferably 10 games then they are also cowards failing to apply justice.
Sometimes Moyes displays too much tolerance. He should never talk about Nolan not being "that" kind of player (have we ever heard a manager admit that someone WAS that kind of player). Nolan is lucky that Anichebe’s manager has such class & restraint. Had it been Benitez or Ferguson then he’d probably have been arrested on the spot.
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your name is Steven Gerrard and you not only get a pat on the back from the Ref and the player you tackled gets a red card for diving.
your name is Steven Gerrard and you not only get a pat on the back from the Ref and the player you tackled gets a red card for diving.
It was definitely a game plan of theirs to rough us up, especially our youngsters. Once one of our younger players in Anichebe outmuscled one of theirs, it was like "hey, how dare you?!!’", hence the challenge of Nolan. Dirty fucken bastards.
To be fair, Anichebe lost the ball, and a more experience player would have also gone two-footed to protect himself.
It was obvious the barcodes were under order to rough us up and stop our passing game. So where does that put Chris Hughton?
Tis footie I’m afraid.
It was obvious the barcodes were under order to rough us up and stop our passing game. So where does that put Chris Hughton?
Tis footie I’m afraid.
I thought it was a terrible tackle, but it was a tackle nevertheless. It happened with both players competing for the ball. If you compare it to Gerrard on Naysmith, it doesnt even come close. I am not saying the tackle was acceptable, it was clearly not and he deserved a red card, and further punishment.
I think he should be banned for up to 6 matches, and I would not be suprised if he never did something like that again in his whole career. He is a wind up merchant, but not a malicious player. To suggest he should be imprisoned is very harsh in my book. Can you imagine how often players would get sent down each week, from amateur football to the top? Maybe it would send a message, but it would certainly dilute our game.
I think he should be banned for up to 6 matches, and I would not be suprised if he never did something like that again in his whole career. He is a wind up merchant, but not a malicious player. To suggest he should be imprisoned is very harsh in my book. Can you imagine how often players would get sent down each week, from amateur football to the top? Maybe it would send a message, but it would certainly dilute our game.
Well I have to say that I have definitely seen GBH on the field on numerous occasions................yes ’stuff’ happens, and then there are times when ’stuff’ happens with intent, and I agree with the writer that if this was one of those occasions, then football match or not it is assault!
Proffessionals would not dream of doing some of the things I have witnessed on the local parks.
To see a pro resort to that kind of stuff is all the more revolting.
I don’t personally know Nolan but after years of seeing him play I have formed the opinion that he is a hard but very fair sportsman. I accept that the Anichebe incident was was an unfortunate accident that was way out of character. I don’t know what Vic thinks about it tho.
I would not put it in the Gerrard/Campbell or Gerrard/Naismith or Kuyt/Neville class.
For career wrecking ferocity it comes no where near what Dave McKay did to young Jimmy Husband all those years ago. Despite the passage of time I rember it with a shudder as if it was only yesterday.
For what he did to one of the games future stars McKay should have gone straight to jail.
To see a pro resort to that kind of stuff is all the more revolting.
I don’t personally know Nolan but after years of seeing him play I have formed the opinion that he is a hard but very fair sportsman. I accept that the Anichebe incident was was an unfortunate accident that was way out of character. I don’t know what Vic thinks about it tho.
I would not put it in the Gerrard/Campbell or Gerrard/Naismith or Kuyt/Neville class.
For career wrecking ferocity it comes no where near what Dave McKay did to young Jimmy Husband all those years ago. Despite the passage of time I rember it with a shudder as if it was only yesterday.
For what he did to one of the games future stars McKay should have gone straight to jail.
@ Alan Kirwin
Please carefully re-read my post and then answer me this question...
Since awful tackles and thuggery are (sadly) commonplace in football, how is it the Criminal Courts are not full of assault cases or the Civil Courts full of players pursuing actions against violent opponents?
I’ll tell you why... because footballers, almost without exception, rightly or wrongly, accept it all as part of "the game".
It doesn’t make it right, but that’s how it is. And that’s the basis of the distinction which Kevin, the originator of this thread, can’t get his head around.
Please carefully re-read my post and then answer me this question...
Since awful tackles and thuggery are (sadly) commonplace in football, how is it the Criminal Courts are not full of assault cases or the Civil Courts full of players pursuing actions against violent opponents?
I’ll tell you why... because footballers, almost without exception, rightly or wrongly, accept it all as part of "the game".
It doesn’t make it right, but that’s how it is. And that’s the basis of the distinction which Kevin, the originator of this thread, can’t get his head around.
Football has always been a hard game but there is no excuse for Ryan Taylor who tried to "do" Rodwell and Kevin Nolan who "did" Anichebe.
As two Bitter reds it is obvious they were out to "prove" a point.
We all know it goes on at every level in the game and that’s why most players and managers get on with it but I am really disgusted with Nolan and Taylor.
They could easily have ruined 2 young lad’s careers.
As two Bitter reds it is obvious they were out to "prove" a point.
We all know it goes on at every level in the game and that’s why most players and managers get on with it but I am really disgusted with Nolan and Taylor.
They could easily have ruined 2 young lad’s careers.
Ben Thatcher anyone??? and where, when you need him, is the copper who tried to arrest Summerbee.
There is shit that you have to put up with and shit that you do put up with, but NOBODY should have to put up with shit like that.
There is shit that you have to put up with and shit that you do put up with, but NOBODY should have to put up with shit like that.
It was not a bad or misstimed tackle Nolan jumped two footed onto Vic’s leg , i agree football is a contact sport as long as it’s within the realms of the sport. That was not. Any decent person would not accept that type of thuggery, the FA appear to be trying to take contact out of the sport but no word from them over something they should be removing from football
It was a shocking tackle, but I do not think there was any intent to cause injury.
Stop being a twat!
Stop being a twat!
What if I was running down the street with a ball at my feet, and some stranger dived in with a challenge and I fell and broke my leg, but he won the ball? Could I still call the police? It could happen!
Whatever happens on the football pitch should be dealt with by the ref and then if necessary by the club and the FA. Nolan should get an additional ban from the FA for such a tackle but the police should not get involved in this or similar instances. How the ref gave Fellaini a yellow and not a number of Newcastle players I’ll never know. Butt should have received any number of yellow cards !! But this is Everton so the FA probably won’t act. If a tackle like that had happened to one of the Sky four or a big name player then we’d have never heard the last of it in the papers and the FA would have been forced to act by the additional pressure from the media and the big name managers. Instead the papers focus more on Ronaldo’s yellow card for diving and whether he should have got a yellow or a red card for kicking out in a petulant manner ! But hey, it’s only Anichebe and he’s not a world class player or he doesn’t play for England.....
Can these really be the same fans and the same forum who celebrated Phil Neville’s dangerous and illegal tackle on Ronaldo?
Surely not.
We are a very hard team when we need to be, similarly to Newcastle.
Implied consent for Offences Against the Person is accepted in sport for a reason. Perhaps all those agreeing with the premise of the article would like to see a court case every time someone has the apprehension of physical force?
Thank god for such a common sense approach or there would be no football at all.
Surely not.
We are a very hard team when we need to be, similarly to Newcastle.
Implied consent for Offences Against the Person is accepted in sport for a reason. Perhaps all those agreeing with the premise of the article would like to see a court case every time someone has the apprehension of physical force?
Thank god for such a common sense approach or there would be no football at all.
Nice to see lots of differing opinions on this that?s what it?s all about. A few have suggested yes a bad tackle but he didn?t mean to hurt him, well sorry but I think he did. Your a 13/14 stone fit as a fiddle athlete and you jump two over the top of the ball onto someones shins, what are you trying to do if not to hurt the guy. He wasn?t even looking at the ball he did it on purpose with total disregard for Victors safety. And being full of remorse after the event doesn?t make it right.
Look at Lee Cattermoles tackle on Digard, tough fair tackle where unfortunately a player gets injured. In that instance, yes these things happen in football. With Nolan totally avoidable and morally wrong.
As for comparing boxing to football then get a grip.
Phil Neville won the ball, as did Lee Cattermole this weekend in his challenge on Didier Digard. You don’t want to see that removed from football. But Nolan wasn’t trying to win the ball, it was a two-footed stamp. I don’t see how anyone could defend it.
Remember how Martin Taylor was attacked in the press and by Arsene Wenger after his challenge on Eduardo? That challenge was high but it was debatably an attempt for the ball. You can’t say the same about Nolan’s.
I don’t want to see him or other players go to prison, that’s ridiculous. But I do want to see some recognition of what a cowardly, spotty, fat pr*ck Nolan is for doing it. Not this ’he’s not that kind of player’ rubbish.
Imagine if Vic didn’t drink his milk, he could have had his career ended. If the challenge had put Arteta out for six months then I bet a lot of attitudes on here would be different.
Remember how Martin Taylor was attacked in the press and by Arsene Wenger after his challenge on Eduardo? That challenge was high but it was debatably an attempt for the ball. You can’t say the same about Nolan’s.
I don’t want to see him or other players go to prison, that’s ridiculous. But I do want to see some recognition of what a cowardly, spotty, fat pr*ck Nolan is for doing it. Not this ’he’s not that kind of player’ rubbish.
Imagine if Vic didn’t drink his milk, he could have had his career ended. If the challenge had put Arteta out for six months then I bet a lot of attitudes on here would be different.
Wonder what was/is ACTUALLY going on in Nolan’s mind.
Wonder if he thinks..
"He’s running. I wanted to win the ball. Shit, he was too quick. I lunged for the ball, but got his leg instead. My tackle was very badly-timed He seems to be in a bad way, sincerely hope he’s alright"
Or it’s more of a ’senior’ pro thing along the lines..
"Every now an again I get the red mist, don’t know why, I jumped on his outstretched leg with all my weight and I really gave it no more thought than ’fuckin’ have some of that!’ Obviously I moaned about being sent off because I’m a footballer therefore programmed to cheat. However I’ve since seen it on the telly, it looks bad, consequently damage limitation is now the order of the day (seemed to work with Moyes - mug!). Hopefully I won’t get anything more than 3 games"
Wonder if he thinks..
"He’s running. I wanted to win the ball. Shit, he was too quick. I lunged for the ball, but got his leg instead. My tackle was very badly-timed He seems to be in a bad way, sincerely hope he’s alright"
Or it’s more of a ’senior’ pro thing along the lines..
"Every now an again I get the red mist, don’t know why, I jumped on his outstretched leg with all my weight and I really gave it no more thought than ’fuckin’ have some of that!’ Obviously I moaned about being sent off because I’m a footballer therefore programmed to cheat. However I’ve since seen it on the telly, it looks bad, consequently damage limitation is now the order of the day (seemed to work with Moyes - mug!). Hopefully I won’t get anything more than 3 games"
Totally agree with Gavin James above. Would love to see Nolan paraded down County Road wearing a sandwich board saying "I?m a cowardly, spotty, fat prick" as punishment but I doubt it will happen!
It is an intersting point with regards to Neville's and Cattermole's tackles as mentioned. Both were 100% fair and great tackles, but both got punished with yellow cards. I find that infuriating. Yes, Digard is out for the season now, but in that instance it was a great full blooded challenge with the injury being "one of those things", totally unlike Nolans "tackle".
It is an intersting point with regards to Neville's and Cattermole's tackles as mentioned. Both were 100% fair and great tackles, but both got punished with yellow cards. I find that infuriating. Yes, Digard is out for the season now, but in that instance it was a great full blooded challenge with the injury being "one of those things", totally unlike Nolans "tackle".
In fact, if you watch the replay of the Cattermole tackle, the ref actually played on for a short while and only stopped the play when he realised how injured Digard was, and had absolutely no intention of booking Cattermoloe until he realised Digard was injured. It seems some refs don?t realise that players can be seriously injured after being on the receiving end of perfectly fair tackles.
Anyone who thinks the tackle wasn?t intended and was just mis-timed should just look at the picture on the official website under the ?Anichebe update? story...
An excellent comment on violence in football. Apart from ring sports (boxing, wrestling etc.) there are many sports whereby violence can be committed and not acted upon by police, because the excuse is "it?s part of the game". This is total BS.
Here in Canada ??ice??hockey is the prime example. If I get into a slug fest in the street or a public area I get arrested. In ice hockey, a similar fight in front of thousands (children included) is considered part of the game and the participants get "penalty minutes". The cameras zoom in on these fights with glee and these players even the winners are usually severely cut and bruised. A wonderful example to the children wanting to aspire as hockey players themselves but the hockey leagues won?t act regarding this even when someone is killed such as a tragedy that happened recently.
Deliberate acts of violence in sport should be dealt with severely by all authorities and I don?t mean 3,4 and 5 game suspensions. Anichebe could have had a career ending injury and what happens to Nolan? He would play on for maybe another 5 years at the top.
Interesting that some people cannot see the difference between defending Nolan?s tackle (which no-one could possibly do) and highlighting the Irony of celebrating Phil Neville?s tackle.
Both were illegal, both could?ve caused injury... and in my opinion, both had very little intent to win the ball.
ps: Those who incorrectly state that Neville won the ball, as some kind of rebuttal of the comparison clearly have no idea of the rules... winning the ball does not justify a dangerous tackle... and he didn?t win the ball anyway, he conceded a free kick.
Both were illegal, both could?ve caused injury... and in my opinion, both had very little intent to win the ball.
ps: Those who incorrectly state that Neville won the ball, as some kind of rebuttal of the comparison clearly have no idea of the rules... winning the ball does not justify a dangerous tackle... and he didn?t win the ball anyway, he conceded a free kick.
But Ciaran, Pip’s challenge was a sliding one footed challenge not a two footed jump onto an outstretched leg. They are not comparable at all.
I cannot understand all these "mistimed tackle" posts, it wasn’t a tackle, the photographs and the video clearly show that. He simply jumped in with two feet to hurt the player, there is no other way of describing it. Young cocky Victor pushed his team mate off the ball and he was going to pay for it.
If I was Victor I would have publically told him to stick his apology and see what the FA did about it.
One things for sure, Nolan or Newcastle won’t appeal against it.
I cannot understand all these "mistimed tackle" posts, it wasn’t a tackle, the photographs and the video clearly show that. He simply jumped in with two feet to hurt the player, there is no other way of describing it. Young cocky Victor pushed his team mate off the ball and he was going to pay for it.
If I was Victor I would have publically told him to stick his apology and see what the FA did about it.
One things for sure, Nolan or Newcastle won’t appeal against it.
It's not assault, don't be ridiculous ? it's sport and people get hurt. Crying over spilt milk will get you nowhere and I totally disagree with the original post.
While I can see where you?re coming from, I dont agree with your point at all.
If that was the case, then players would be getting bans, fines & prison sentences every week.
Crazy talk no less.
While I can see where you?re coming from, I dont agree with your point at all.
If that was the case, then players would be getting bans, fines & prison sentences every week.
Crazy talk no less.
Ciaran
What on earth are you talking about?
Neville’s tackle was a) made with one foot, b) on the floor & his foot didn’t leave the floor, c) he was going for the ball and, erm, won the ball. And finally Ronaldo was up & running immediately.
The fact that the tackle resulted in a free-kick is not evidence that he didn’t win the ball. What a ridiculous proposition. The referee reacted to the reaction of Ronaldo & his teammates.
You are confusing a strong physical tackle with premeditated violence, recklessness and risking serious injury to an opponent. One clearly was and one clearly wasn’t.
You’ve also obviously forgot Duncan Ferguson’s case. Sports people do not give consent to be assaulted by entering a field of play. Had Anichebe’s leg been broken in 2 places then the chances of a court case would have been high.
There is no irony here I’m afraid. One was a tackle, one was an assault. I have also played football extensively. I know how to tackle and if I saw that on the pitch I would know that a player was "doing" another deliberately. Anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot who thinks they know the game but doesn’t.
Very poor post. Red herring.
Poor post.
What on earth are you talking about?
Neville’s tackle was a) made with one foot, b) on the floor & his foot didn’t leave the floor, c) he was going for the ball and, erm, won the ball. And finally Ronaldo was up & running immediately.
The fact that the tackle resulted in a free-kick is not evidence that he didn’t win the ball. What a ridiculous proposition. The referee reacted to the reaction of Ronaldo & his teammates.
You are confusing a strong physical tackle with premeditated violence, recklessness and risking serious injury to an opponent. One clearly was and one clearly wasn’t.
You’ve also obviously forgot Duncan Ferguson’s case. Sports people do not give consent to be assaulted by entering a field of play. Had Anichebe’s leg been broken in 2 places then the chances of a court case would have been high.
There is no irony here I’m afraid. One was a tackle, one was an assault. I have also played football extensively. I know how to tackle and if I saw that on the pitch I would know that a player was "doing" another deliberately. Anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot who thinks they know the game but doesn’t.
Very poor post. Red herring.
Poor post.
E J Ruane
We don’t often agree E J, but well done. I think you’ve got it on the nail.
It may be part of the game in as much as the occasional fuckwit will think he can do something so violent because he’s losing/pissed off/whatever.
Erm, doesn’t make it right.
If you know the game, it is fairly easy to distinguish between intent & accident by looking at eyes and leg movement. Utter recklessness is not a defence against intent. It’s simply akin to manslaughter. A perfect example of which is Kuyt’s almost assault on Neville last season. IMHO he should have been banned for total recklessness. The fact that he didn’t put a fellow professional in hospital is down to luck, nothing else.
Fans play to watch players play, not cheat, injur or assault. If I saw an Everton player do that do Gerrard or Ronaldo I would be equally disgusted.
We don’t often agree E J, but well done. I think you’ve got it on the nail.
It may be part of the game in as much as the occasional fuckwit will think he can do something so violent because he’s losing/pissed off/whatever.
Erm, doesn’t make it right.
If you know the game, it is fairly easy to distinguish between intent & accident by looking at eyes and leg movement. Utter recklessness is not a defence against intent. It’s simply akin to manslaughter. A perfect example of which is Kuyt’s almost assault on Neville last season. IMHO he should have been banned for total recklessness. The fact that he didn’t put a fellow professional in hospital is down to luck, nothing else.
Fans play to watch players play, not cheat, injur or assault. If I saw an Everton player do that do Gerrard or Ronaldo I would be equally disgusted.
Keith Galzzard, you're spot on about the intimidation theme, just after Taylor tackled Rodwell, another barcode tried to do the same to Dan Gosling, but the kid stood his ground and the barcode bounced off. The tactics of getting stuck into the so-called kids did not really work.
Alan,
Neville didn’t win the ball - he committed an illegal challenge, conceding a free kick and a yellow card in the process.
He did not retain possession from that passage of play. That is a fact. It is not a ridiculous proposition or anything close to it.
If he had won the ball he would’ve came away from the tackle the ball. He didn’t.
Need I remind you that Nolan actually got a touch on the ball as well? Does that mean he won the ball? Of course it doesn’t.
It seems you’ve fallen into what I’ve already described as - mistaking the difference between defending Nolan and castigating the hypocrisy shown by many, including yourself - on here..
Nevilles tackle could’ve caused damage - and it had one intention only, and that was to ’clatter’ Ronaldo. To suggest that there is an apprreciable margin of difference because one foot was raised instead of two (even though Neville followed through with his traling leg) is contrived nonsense.
It a simple case of double standards - I’m not willing to castigate Nolan, while previously praising Neville - as that would make me a hypocrite.
And by the way - the premise of this article is the legality of physical contact in football - consider this point - all challenges (even those without contact) would be illegal breaches of UK law - they are acts of ’premeditated violence and recklessness’.
For you to make a legal distinction on this basis between Nolan and Neville - is just plain erroneous.
Things like this happen in the game - should we sacrifice the contest? I’m not one that would agree with that proposition...
P.S Duncan Fergsuon Headbutted a player off the ball- an act which could hardly by any stretch of the imagination be considered an act that pertained to the game..
I hope you’ll see that the distinction in the Ferguson case is a little easier to draw - than the previously discussed tackles which formed part of the play.
Neville didn’t win the ball - he committed an illegal challenge, conceding a free kick and a yellow card in the process.
He did not retain possession from that passage of play. That is a fact. It is not a ridiculous proposition or anything close to it.
If he had won the ball he would’ve came away from the tackle the ball. He didn’t.
Need I remind you that Nolan actually got a touch on the ball as well? Does that mean he won the ball? Of course it doesn’t.
It seems you’ve fallen into what I’ve already described as - mistaking the difference between defending Nolan and castigating the hypocrisy shown by many, including yourself - on here..
Nevilles tackle could’ve caused damage - and it had one intention only, and that was to ’clatter’ Ronaldo. To suggest that there is an apprreciable margin of difference because one foot was raised instead of two (even though Neville followed through with his traling leg) is contrived nonsense.
It a simple case of double standards - I’m not willing to castigate Nolan, while previously praising Neville - as that would make me a hypocrite.
And by the way - the premise of this article is the legality of physical contact in football - consider this point - all challenges (even those without contact) would be illegal breaches of UK law - they are acts of ’premeditated violence and recklessness’.
For you to make a legal distinction on this basis between Nolan and Neville - is just plain erroneous.
Things like this happen in the game - should we sacrifice the contest? I’m not one that would agree with that proposition...
P.S Duncan Fergsuon Headbutted a player off the ball- an act which could hardly by any stretch of the imagination be considered an act that pertained to the game..
I hope you’ll see that the distinction in the Ferguson case is a little easier to draw - than the previously discussed tackles which formed part of the play.
Ciaran
I’m afraid I can’t follow your logic. It seems that if a player tackles another player, making contact only with the ball, and the ball goes into touch (a regular occurrence in a game) then by your weird logic it is a foul as the tackler didn’t come away with the ball?
What the hell are you on about?
The fact that Neville didn’t come away with the ball from a sliding tackle, the fact that the ref gave a free kick and even if the referee booked him does not alter what happened. You are wrong, simple as that. It should never have been given as a free kick and no way whatsoever should he have been booked.
And while we’re at it, the premise of Kevin’s artcle is also not as you suggest, i.e. the legality of physical contact in football. Nothing in his article suggests anything other than he is outraged by obscenely violent behaviour, with the sole intention of injuring an opponent.
I read The Independent over lunch. It has a picture of the tackle alongside James Lawton’s total condemnation of it, and of behaviour like it. At the moment of contact Nolan’s head and eyes are fixed in the area of Anichebe’s knee. The ball is already yards to Nolan’s left, it having been won cleanly & fairly by Anichebe using the conventional one-footed method with feet on floor.
So to counter your usual contrariness (a la Ferguson’s head-but being off the ball) if you bother to actually take any facts into account before emitting such views you will observe that the ball was also nowhere to be seen when Nolan assaulted Anichebe. Is this off the ball?
Just for comparison (more facts I’m afraid, sorry) if you bother to look again at Neville’s tackle you will also observe that at no time did he look anywhere other than the ball. He even watched it go out of play (which, erm, is why he didn’t come out of the tackle with it). It was a hard tackle clearly designed to unsettle Ronaldo. We can argue the legality of "hard" tackles. Nevertheless, if you can’t (and you quite clearly can’t) distinguish between the tackles of Neville or Nolan then you are either being utterly disengenuous or just plain ridiculous.
James Lawson’s article, like Kevin’s and like most serious contributors to this thread, enjoy feisty encounters and even the occasional hard tackle. Like most of us he is able to distinguish between feisty and violent or dangerous.
You’re just plain wrong.
I’m afraid I can’t follow your logic. It seems that if a player tackles another player, making contact only with the ball, and the ball goes into touch (a regular occurrence in a game) then by your weird logic it is a foul as the tackler didn’t come away with the ball?
What the hell are you on about?
The fact that Neville didn’t come away with the ball from a sliding tackle, the fact that the ref gave a free kick and even if the referee booked him does not alter what happened. You are wrong, simple as that. It should never have been given as a free kick and no way whatsoever should he have been booked.
And while we’re at it, the premise of Kevin’s artcle is also not as you suggest, i.e. the legality of physical contact in football. Nothing in his article suggests anything other than he is outraged by obscenely violent behaviour, with the sole intention of injuring an opponent.
I read The Independent over lunch. It has a picture of the tackle alongside James Lawton’s total condemnation of it, and of behaviour like it. At the moment of contact Nolan’s head and eyes are fixed in the area of Anichebe’s knee. The ball is already yards to Nolan’s left, it having been won cleanly & fairly by Anichebe using the conventional one-footed method with feet on floor.
So to counter your usual contrariness (a la Ferguson’s head-but being off the ball) if you bother to actually take any facts into account before emitting such views you will observe that the ball was also nowhere to be seen when Nolan assaulted Anichebe. Is this off the ball?
Just for comparison (more facts I’m afraid, sorry) if you bother to look again at Neville’s tackle you will also observe that at no time did he look anywhere other than the ball. He even watched it go out of play (which, erm, is why he didn’t come out of the tackle with it). It was a hard tackle clearly designed to unsettle Ronaldo. We can argue the legality of "hard" tackles. Nevertheless, if you can’t (and you quite clearly can’t) distinguish between the tackles of Neville or Nolan then you are either being utterly disengenuous or just plain ridiculous.
James Lawson’s article, like Kevin’s and like most serious contributors to this thread, enjoy feisty encounters and even the occasional hard tackle. Like most of us he is able to distinguish between feisty and violent or dangerous.
You’re just plain wrong.
All part of the game, miss timed tackle,unitentional, out of character, except it as part of the game, ! ! absolute bullshit to all you posters who have delivered that type of response to this post.
Two feet off the ground and your banned, lets say for a season ! this type of assault has got to be eradicated from the game, Victors career could have been finished if not for his strength and use of some shin pads.
Anyone who thinks what happened is part of the game should go and change their sport, cage fighting maybe is more your thing.
Two feet off the ground and your banned, lets say for a season ! this type of assault has got to be eradicated from the game, Victors career could have been finished if not for his strength and use of some shin pads.
Anyone who thinks what happened is part of the game should go and change their sport, cage fighting maybe is more your thing.
I posed a rhetorical question regarding Nolan’s touch of the ball and the effect of this on the outcome of play...I assumed it was rhetorical because I assumed you would agree that no-one could consider Nolan to have gained possession under the circumstances..
It seems I may have to re-think this.....You seem to have difficulty in appreciating that subsequent events (particularly those of the referee) have a factual outcome on deciding whether the player has actually won possession...
Do you apply this same erroneous logic to the Nolan circumstance? Do you think he won the ball? and If not what exactly differentiates this conclusion - from the contrary one you seem to arrive at by application of the same logic to the Neville circumstance?
According to the laws of the game - Neville did not win the ball...and neither would a player who makes a tackle and subsequently puts the ball out of play - he may have put in a tackle - or ’won the ball’ in a colloquial sense - but he has conceded possession...and as much as you dispute that logic, Im afraid it’s simply not disputable. It is a simple fact.
The fact that you clarify your position by adding the caveat that ’it should never have been given as a free kick’ - simply undermines your argument further - There is no room for objectivism on a factual analysis of whether he lost possession or not.
Now, if you want to question the validity of the decision then that is another matter -and one which i similarly cannot agree with. Nevilles intent was not to win the ball - it was to clatter Ronaldo - as you’ve already admitted - an act which we all celebrated..and an act which changed the game - stick it up them - if you like.
Maybe I am wrong to take a balanced view of this incident based on our application of such tactics...it is of course your prerogative to make such a call - but do not disguise it as one sided debate in which you have facts on your side - because you simply don’t.
A quick look at the picture on the official site will show that the ball was clearly there when the tackle was made - Facts eh!
P.S your point about your ability to distinguish between the ’feisty and the violent’ - is like your previous suggestion of being able to judge someone’s intent on ’legs and eye movement’ - merely fatuous nonsense.
Thank god your not a judge.
It seems I may have to re-think this.....You seem to have difficulty in appreciating that subsequent events (particularly those of the referee) have a factual outcome on deciding whether the player has actually won possession...
Do you apply this same erroneous logic to the Nolan circumstance? Do you think he won the ball? and If not what exactly differentiates this conclusion - from the contrary one you seem to arrive at by application of the same logic to the Neville circumstance?
According to the laws of the game - Neville did not win the ball...and neither would a player who makes a tackle and subsequently puts the ball out of play - he may have put in a tackle - or ’won the ball’ in a colloquial sense - but he has conceded possession...and as much as you dispute that logic, Im afraid it’s simply not disputable. It is a simple fact.
The fact that you clarify your position by adding the caveat that ’it should never have been given as a free kick’ - simply undermines your argument further - There is no room for objectivism on a factual analysis of whether he lost possession or not.
Now, if you want to question the validity of the decision then that is another matter -and one which i similarly cannot agree with. Nevilles intent was not to win the ball - it was to clatter Ronaldo - as you’ve already admitted - an act which we all celebrated..and an act which changed the game - stick it up them - if you like.
Maybe I am wrong to take a balanced view of this incident based on our application of such tactics...it is of course your prerogative to make such a call - but do not disguise it as one sided debate in which you have facts on your side - because you simply don’t.
A quick look at the picture on the official site will show that the ball was clearly there when the tackle was made - Facts eh!
P.S your point about your ability to distinguish between the ’feisty and the violent’ - is like your previous suggestion of being able to judge someone’s intent on ’legs and eye movement’ - merely fatuous nonsense.
Thank god your not a judge.
You can guarrantee if anyone playing Sunday League made a tackle like that, all your team mates would start in windmilling....not one of them would think...."ah well just mistimed that, it’s a man game" scratch his nuts and walk off to have a ciggy with a can of Kestrel Super Strength......sorry went off on a tanget there.
Needless to say, these posters saying "get over it" have never been at the receiving end of such a vicious "tackle"
Needless to say, these posters saying "get over it" have never been at the receiving end of such a vicious "tackle"
Ciaran
Aah, I see your argument now. Basically you are saying that only the referee has eyes. That only the referee can decide what happened and, if he doesn’t actually see it properly (heaven forbid) and mis-calls it then it doesn’t change anything because, according to the rules of the game, he is right even when he is wrong.
Why didn’t you say so? I mean, why didn’t you just say you weren’t arguing based on what actually happened, but on what one person thinks has happened, even if it hasn’t.
I was restricting my points to those of the physical world, not the meta-physical world. I think most contributors (well, all except one) were doing the same.
Oh yes, I did not admit Neville’s objective was to clatter Ronaldo. Do not put words in my mouth, especially such fatuous drivel. I said, if you READ, that he went for the ball at all times, but also made a very strong (but in my view fair) challenge. Facts eh?
Your misreading of facts and other posts, combined with such fatuous pedantry the like of which is rarely seen on TW (thank christ) does you nor the site no service.
We can only assume that if you were the judge then we wouldn’t need witnesses as the nice policeman would know everything.
I’m just off for a pint now Ciaran. No offence old boy, but you have surpassed yourself yet again. Enjoy your weird & wonderful parallel universe. I’m off to talk plain English, over a pint, to real people.
Aah, I see your argument now. Basically you are saying that only the referee has eyes. That only the referee can decide what happened and, if he doesn’t actually see it properly (heaven forbid) and mis-calls it then it doesn’t change anything because, according to the rules of the game, he is right even when he is wrong.
Why didn’t you say so? I mean, why didn’t you just say you weren’t arguing based on what actually happened, but on what one person thinks has happened, even if it hasn’t.
I was restricting my points to those of the physical world, not the meta-physical world. I think most contributors (well, all except one) were doing the same.
Oh yes, I did not admit Neville’s objective was to clatter Ronaldo. Do not put words in my mouth, especially such fatuous drivel. I said, if you READ, that he went for the ball at all times, but also made a very strong (but in my view fair) challenge. Facts eh?
Your misreading of facts and other posts, combined with such fatuous pedantry the like of which is rarely seen on TW (thank christ) does you nor the site no service.
We can only assume that if you were the judge then we wouldn’t need witnesses as the nice policeman would know everything.
I’m just off for a pint now Ciaran. No offence old boy, but you have surpassed yourself yet again. Enjoy your weird & wonderful parallel universe. I’m off to talk plain English, over a pint, to real people.
Tony Williams -’Windmilling’?
I think (like me), it’s a while since you played Sunday League.
Windmilling is what would have happened in the 70’s (in The Buisness Houses)
These days a tackle like that would more than likely result in a load of flowers and scarves stuck to a goal-post and the words "RIP-tackler’s first name-LAD"
I think (like me), it’s a while since you played Sunday League.
Windmilling is what would have happened in the 70’s (in The Buisness Houses)
These days a tackle like that would more than likely result in a load of flowers and scarves stuck to a goal-post and the words "RIP-tackler’s first name-LAD"
The difference is you are on a football pitch and not in town.
Its not Ballet, late tackles happen.
No debate
Its not Ballet, late tackles happen.
No debate
Get in there Kev, a cracking post that has resulted in a cracking debate, shame about the occassional nasty, personal digs that creep into some/minority reponses but mostly commonsense debate. I naturally don’t agree with lot of what is said, but a great read all through, well done bluenoses.
For what it worth, as a lad of 5’-6" at Swansea University,we played against dockers and miners week in week out, all hard as nails but fair, and would always buy you a pint after kicking shite of you, but never malicious. Never saw or heard of a 2 footed lunge like Nolans in 6 years in south wales. (sorry, irrelevant and pointless maybe, but felt like bigging it up as we’re having our 30th reunion next week)
For what it worth, as a lad of 5’-6" at Swansea University,we played against dockers and miners week in week out, all hard as nails but fair, and would always buy you a pint after kicking shite of you, but never malicious. Never saw or heard of a 2 footed lunge like Nolans in 6 years in south wales. (sorry, irrelevant and pointless maybe, but felt like bigging it up as we’re having our 30th reunion next week)
That’s an innovative debating style you’ve got there Alan...
Such a divergent, terse and ill-mannered response clearly makes you right as usual.
Cheers for the response.
Such a divergent, terse and ill-mannered response clearly makes you right as usual.
Cheers for the response.
In the Navy, I once played against the Peterhead prison team inside their walls (1972). I went past their full back on two occasions ? the third time I did it, their ugly fullback (prisoner) threatened to kill me if I did it again! I believe that I invented the swapping of wing play long before any League Manager.
At that time I accepted being threatened with physical harm as "part of the game", hey I was young, etc. However, over the years I have seen too much of it going on and it is getting worse ? mainly because the numpties that manage the league can?t and WON?T make any normal disciplinary decision (remember Shearer stamping on Lennon and threatening to walk out on England if punished!).
They have let most of these matters continue to the level where we all appear to accept it as "part of the game". Sorry, guys, the FA have done nothing regarding the morals of the game - thuggery, yard stealing, arguing or gobby managers rule OK?
EJ, windmilling - abj - to swing both arms in a threatening manner aiming for someones head like the sails of a windmill.
Funny enough it was the Business Houses League I used to play in, in the early 90s. I remember my first game against MerseyBus, brand new pair of £20 Sndico Tempus shinnies that after the second dirty challenge snapped on me; however, bad it was it was nowhere near as bad as Nolan?s.
Funny enough it was the Business Houses League I used to play in, in the early 90s. I remember my first game against MerseyBus, brand new pair of £20 Sndico Tempus shinnies that after the second dirty challenge snapped on me; however, bad it was it was nowhere near as bad as Nolan?s.
Is this the same jamie rednapp who coomiited a similar foul at goodison for tottenham that even had him criticed by his own manager, [Hoddle]. Sorry forgot which Blue the tackle was against.... so here we have a so called journalist who did not learn anything from his own actions. A family of East End, cockney low-life masquerading as football elite... the cheeky rednapp family. Oi, Arry... why were you so quick to express your loyalty to Pompey, take the freedom of the city and then piss off when you knew that all your bent transfers and overspending were being investigated by the clubs bank? Cockney wankes amde tolook good for being er... cockeny wankers!
Trevor it was Cahill who Redknapp tried to castrate.
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By going onto the football pitch you acknowledge it is a physical game, that you might get hurt, and, except where someone maliciously assaults you, you will not cry to the authorities if your opponent clatters you.
If it were otherwise either no one would dare going on the pitch or admission prices would have to double to pay for the liability insurance players would have to take out.