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Now, I'm probably one of those glass-half-empty guys if the truth be known but I do try to feel as positive and optimistic as I can. It was a bit of a jolt to my efforts in that regard today, however, when I read first on Goal.com and then on the Official site that Mick Rathbone thinks Yakubu will not be back inside 9 months!
Does that mean 9 months from the date of the injury or literally 9 months from now, the date of his statement? Is there's anybody out there who knows more about these things than me who can help me feel a little more like my glass is half-full?
If it''s 9 months from now, it will be Christmas before we see Yakubu back in full swing. I'd assumed he would be raring to go at the start of the season.
Dave Roberts, Posted 25/02/2009 at 08:32:59
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It's 9 months from when he got the injury, well basically when he got injured, the following days or week. He?ll have had the operation and then they?ll have give him a timescale of 9 months from then. What will happen is he will let the achillies repair work heal for about 2 to 3 months and then he?ll do 6 or so months rehabilitation work to strengthen the achillies and to get the right range of movement around that area.
Dave, 2 weeks ago, I was told by one of the Everton physios that Yakubu was 6 months away at least. There is not a lot any of them can do for him at the moment until the healing process takes its course. In fact, there is so little they can do for him that he has only been back to England once for a week since the injury happened.
He will not make the start of next season ? that's for sure.
He will not make the start of next season ? that's for sure.
As someone who is currently recouperating from the very same operation that Mikel is about to undergo (unfortunatly, as soon as he had done it, I knew it was bad), I can suggest that (as both Yaks and Mikels are very similar in that they both ruptured ligaments) they both should be fine for the beginning of next season. This is assuming that the rehab goes according to plan.
I had my cruciate ligament reconstructed three weeks ago. I was told that I would be back playing (senior but not professional) football in six months all being well so I was looking at the beginning of the season in August.
Since a very successful operation and beginning the rehab process, my physio reckons I’m 2 months ahead of where I should be! Now I’m quite a fit guy but not even close to the levels of fitness these guys are at but I should be OK to start pre season in July.
Now if you bear in mind that I work 5 days a week and don’t get the specialist/intensive rehab that these guys will be getting. I would hope that both of them will be ready for some sort of pre season and hopefully the start of the season itself.
As I have mentioned, it does depend on trouble free rehab but we have to be postitive as they will be having the very best medical attention and rehabilitation that money can buy.
Good luck to them both and we all wish them a speedy recovery COYB!
I had my cruciate ligament reconstructed three weeks ago. I was told that I would be back playing (senior but not professional) football in six months all being well so I was looking at the beginning of the season in August.
Since a very successful operation and beginning the rehab process, my physio reckons I’m 2 months ahead of where I should be! Now I’m quite a fit guy but not even close to the levels of fitness these guys are at but I should be OK to start pre season in July.
Now if you bear in mind that I work 5 days a week and don’t get the specialist/intensive rehab that these guys will be getting. I would hope that both of them will be ready for some sort of pre season and hopefully the start of the season itself.
As I have mentioned, it does depend on trouble free rehab but we have to be postitive as they will be having the very best medical attention and rehabilitation that money can buy.
Good luck to them both and we all wish them a speedy recovery COYB!
Before the PC rants start, I am not a sizeist; in fact I have friends who are big. However, a worry for me is that the Yak looks to be naturally ?beefy? and I wonder how he?ll stay in any sort of condition and not balloon in weight. I would hope he is being professional and that he? ll be looked after but Tony indicates he?s not apparently being monitored by EFC staff...
Christmas for both of them...
IMO, both these players need to be replaced as if they had been sold.
If both of them are out till Christmas, they are then gonna need at least a month to get back to full match fitness. By which point, if they havnt been replaced like for like, I fear our season will be over........
Nurse, pass the Prozac please.....
If both of them are out till Christmas, they are then gonna need at least a month to get back to full match fitness. By which point, if they havnt been replaced like for like, I fear our season will be over........
Nurse, pass the Prozac please.....
"IMO, both these players need to be replaced as if they had been sold"
We can’t afford that
We can’t afford that
Paul, I just had the same procedure at just about the same time you did. Unfortunately, I think Clyde is probably right, though -- I was told by the medical staff that while I could expect to be back playing again "as soon as" six months from now, if I were a "world class athlete" (like Mikel), it would be closer to a year. Apparently, because professionals are at such a high level, and the stresses they endure in games, etc., are greater, it takes them longer to get back to where they need to be. This is why it’s going to be crucial for us to sign a creative midfielder in the summer.
Of course, when Mikel and the Yak do return, they’ll be just like new signings.
Of course, when Mikel and the Yak do return, they’ll be just like new signings.
And lest I forget, Paul, best wishes for continued good luck in your recovery.
Paul Smith
Sorry Paul, you’ve been misinformed. Arteta & Yak’s injuries are far from similar. Yakubu’s is his achilles tendon, one of the worst to get.
It is a very, very long healing process and a very slow process on the fitness front, starting painfully slowly and gradually upping it. Yak’s injury is usually 9 - 12 months. Mikel’s is 6 - 8 months.
Do not expect to see Arteta until Sept/Oct. I would also be surprised if we saw Yakubu this side of Xmas. Would live to be wrong, but that’s how long it takes I’m afraid.
Sorry Paul, you’ve been misinformed. Arteta & Yak’s injuries are far from similar. Yakubu’s is his achilles tendon, one of the worst to get.
It is a very, very long healing process and a very slow process on the fitness front, starting painfully slowly and gradually upping it. Yak’s injury is usually 9 - 12 months. Mikel’s is 6 - 8 months.
Do not expect to see Arteta until Sept/Oct. I would also be surprised if we saw Yakubu this side of Xmas. Would live to be wrong, but that’s how long it takes I’m afraid.
A quick look on the OS, if thats to be believed, tells us that both will be back by summer 2009.
Yak is 9 months from his injury. The recovery time can be 12 months but this sort of injury is common in guys in their 40s when they lose the elasticity in the tendon and they have their rehab treatment in the NHS. Yak is young (depending on who you believe) and will be getting intensive daily treatment. I would not be surprised if he’s back before 9 months.
I am about to have the same operation as Mikky and I have been told I’ll be playing again in 6 months.
I am about to have the same operation as Mikky and I have been told I’ll be playing again in 6 months.
Love the lazy journalism saying we’d be after Moutinho again now Mikel’s injured. Er, we couldn’t sign him until summer and Mikel should be back around the start of the season...!
I work in this area and can assure people that Mikel will take six months at least. The operation involves either taking a graft from a muscle or bone usually Hamstring or your knee capandplacing this where the cruciate ligament used be. This graft then acts as your cruciate.The rehab, involves building up the muscle around the knee and working on balance etc. The reason it takes six months is the graft takes time to bed in and get stronger. When your told you are two months ahead it means in terms of strenght of the muscles around your knee. Mikel will have no problems here as he will be receiving all the correct advice as regards his strenght programme however the graft will take time and cant be rushed,
In the yaks case its a little differnet. The tendon will have been basically stiched together. It will take roughly five months to heal and then he will begin training. It will depend on how he reacts to the various stages of his training will determine his comeback time.
My estimation. Mikel: six months from operation date.
Yak: seven to eight from operation date.
In the yaks case its a little differnet. The tendon will have been basically stiched together. It will take roughly five months to heal and then he will begin training. It will depend on how he reacts to the various stages of his training will determine his comeback time.
My estimation. Mikel: six months from operation date.
Yak: seven to eight from operation date.
Alan Clarke's post seems to make a lot of sense, I don't know anyone whose had an achillies tendon op. Does anyone know of a top sportsman/woman who had such an injury and did they make a complete recovery?
Dave, it’s more common in rugby players and my knowledge of them is poor but Yak’s has never been mentioned as a career threatening injury. A lot of the recovery from this type of injury depends on the rehab. I assume Everton have a good team of physios and Yak will be smashing the goals in again in September.
Just to interrupt for a minute - Boro are 2-0 up against the Ammers. Early yet, but may be on their way to Goodison.
@ Dave Wilson. Alan Shearer ruptured his achilles tendon. Was out for a long time, but came back just as good but perhaps half a yard shorter of pace. The achilles tendon injury is the worst injury a sportsman can have (apart from a shattered knee cap) but typically you can expect a good 12 months before a player is back to full fitness and confidence.
Having suffered a ?happy triad? which is rupturing the cruciate and medial ligaments and cartilage in one knee as a pro rugby player in 2002, it took 7 months to get back playing at 1st team level. Expect Mikel back as our new signing at the end of the September transfer window!
I know of an AFL player here In Australia that did the same as the Yak and injury happened in the first couple of rounds in the season. He would have been available for the finals series if they tried to get him up for it but the club decided better to rest him until the off season and start pre season training fresh. From the the time of the injury to when preseason training started for the next season would have been about 8 months. So as far I see it the Yak will be back for the start of next season if all goes to plan.
My 2 cents on ACL surgeries:
I have had both left and right knee done, and was back in 4.5 and 6 months, respectively. The first was probably a little soon, the second not soon enough.
The main reason, as I understand it, for the six month timeframe is the regeneration rates of the tissue, and that has essentially nothing to do with what shape you are in before the surgery. But if he gets to his re-hab (and lets face it, what else will he be doing), the muscles should be ready at the same time the tissue is.
I am expecting a late August return to full training for the best little spaniard we know. He’ll have a slow start to the season, but he wil be there from go with the team.
I have had both left and right knee done, and was back in 4.5 and 6 months, respectively. The first was probably a little soon, the second not soon enough.
The main reason, as I understand it, for the six month timeframe is the regeneration rates of the tissue, and that has essentially nothing to do with what shape you are in before the surgery. But if he gets to his re-hab (and lets face it, what else will he be doing), the muscles should be ready at the same time the tissue is.
I am expecting a late August return to full training for the best little spaniard we know. He’ll have a slow start to the season, but he wil be there from go with the team.
This is a great read and we have many knowledgeable TW posters on this subject. I was shuddering when reading some of the responses as I’ve done some time with knee injuries too!
I can only humbly add that the lads must keep faith in the rehabitation process as the muscles surrounding the knee and right up to the front of the thighs will provide strength and stability in the area. There was a catch 22 phase for me when I had to build (or maintain) the muscles around the knee but not move or irritate the knee joint until it had healed.
One should not underestimate the sheer boredom and monotanous exercise in rehabitation but I’m sure the $$$ and to play again in the royal blue should motivate them! As for the operation, fingers crossed mother nature will do her part. COYB
I can only humbly add that the lads must keep faith in the rehabitation process as the muscles surrounding the knee and right up to the front of the thighs will provide strength and stability in the area. There was a catch 22 phase for me when I had to build (or maintain) the muscles around the knee but not move or irritate the knee joint until it had healed.
One should not underestimate the sheer boredom and monotanous exercise in rehabitation but I’m sure the $$$ and to play again in the royal blue should motivate them! As for the operation, fingers crossed mother nature will do her part. COYB
There is a new method of repairing ACLs. An Australian rules player had the same injury and was back training in 6 weeks and playing again in 3 months. And Aussie rules is not a soft game. Seemingly instead of grafting ligaments, they replace it with an artificial ligament which speeds up the whole process.
You never know, he may even be back to play in the FA cup final....
You never know, he may even be back to play in the FA cup final....
Alan / Mike
Cheers Guys, its always interesting to get the views from people with personal experience
Cheers Guys, its always interesting to get the views from people with personal experience
During my ingominious footy ’career’, I managed to rupture the ligaments in my right knee (twice), had the same knee re-constructed in between the ligament ops, and also snapped my left achilles at the ripe old age of 38. Oh yeah, I also ruptured my patellar tendon at a barn dance.... don’t ask.
They were all an absolute bastard to come back from, but in my humble opinion, the achjlles was by far the worst.
And, I was last at the game to start with :-)
They were all an absolute bastard to come back from, but in my humble opinion, the achjlles was by far the worst.
And, I was last at the game to start with :-)
Alan Kirwin
You are quite right - unfortunately I was assuming which is ’the mother of all fuck ups’ for those of you who have seen the film under siege!!!
Having spoken to my physio last night he was in agreement that you are better off with a cruciate injury than an achillies. I guess I am just trying to put a positive light on it!!
Dan Roy
What you say does make sense after talking this injury over with my physio, he reckons September for Mikel (which is not the end of the world) but does think that 9 months for the Yak (from operation date) is about right. Oh and thanks for the best wishes ;)
You are quite right - unfortunately I was assuming which is ’the mother of all fuck ups’ for those of you who have seen the film under siege!!!
Having spoken to my physio last night he was in agreement that you are better off with a cruciate injury than an achillies. I guess I am just trying to put a positive light on it!!
Dan Roy
What you say does make sense after talking this injury over with my physio, he reckons September for Mikel (which is not the end of the world) but does think that 9 months for the Yak (from operation date) is about right. Oh and thanks for the best wishes ;)
Lets just hope that all the other players take heed and intensify those exercises to build up their quad muscles at the base of the thigh to prevent any further problems!
I once broke anail opening a can of Stella, so I can confidently say that MIkel will be back in 7 months 6 days and 43 minutes whilst the Yak will be back two stone overweight
Thanks for some very well informed responses but in the Daily Post this morning it reports that Fabregas has suffered the exact same injury as Mikel and is using the same surgeon and will be back in a few weeks time.
As he did the injury in December I make that about 3 months whereas they?re quoting 6 months for Mikky which seems to be the most suggested period.
Are there different degrees of severity with cruciate ligaments or have the Daily Post got it wrong?
As he did the injury in December I make that about 3 months whereas they?re quoting 6 months for Mikky which seems to be the most suggested period.
Are there different degrees of severity with cruciate ligaments or have the Daily Post got it wrong?
Jay
Fabregas’ injury was similar, in as much as it was a cruciate ligament. However it was not as severe, being a partial rather than complete rupture.
I think I’m right in saying that Fabregas didn’t even have surgery (or was certainly saying he would not require it when it happened). I had a similar knee ligament injry from skiing some years back and didn’t require surgery, just rest and then muscle building exercises. Fabregas was quoted at 3-4 months when it happened. Mikel;s is a complete rupture and as I understand the knee needs to be rebuilt as explained by others.
Do not expect Arteta back for full training until late July at very earliest. I think he’ll be 6 - 8 weeks behind the squad, minimum. Playing 90 mins by end of Sept perhaps.
Fabregas’ injury was similar, in as much as it was a cruciate ligament. However it was not as severe, being a partial rather than complete rupture.
I think I’m right in saying that Fabregas didn’t even have surgery (or was certainly saying he would not require it when it happened). I had a similar knee ligament injry from skiing some years back and didn’t require surgery, just rest and then muscle building exercises. Fabregas was quoted at 3-4 months when it happened. Mikel;s is a complete rupture and as I understand the knee needs to be rebuilt as explained by others.
Do not expect Arteta back for full training until late July at very earliest. I think he’ll be 6 - 8 weeks behind the squad, minimum. Playing 90 mins by end of Sept perhaps.
Thanks for all the information folks! My glass still feels half empty but at least I know why now.
Best of luck to all those with injuries of their own and a speedy recovery all round.
I think some footballers (and other sportspeople I assume) have charmed lives and never suffer serious injuries. In 18 years of playing myself (my last game was 21 years ago!) the worst injury I ever suffered was a sprained ankle as result of a pothole in the pitch! But maybe that was because I wasn’t good enough to get injured.
I am sure the Yak and Mikky won’t be rushed back and I am also sure that when they are back there will be the usual ’pulls’ and ’strains’ as their bodies strive for fitness.
One thing is clear though, we can’t, if we have any ambition to be at least consistent, keep trying to operate on such a small squad. It is unlikely we will have the money to buy anything better than competent journeymen but while that is not really good enough, it could supplement our ’one-big-buy-a-year’ policy which seems to prevail at present and which could provide some competent back-up for situations like this.
Best of luck to all those with injuries of their own and a speedy recovery all round.
I think some footballers (and other sportspeople I assume) have charmed lives and never suffer serious injuries. In 18 years of playing myself (my last game was 21 years ago!) the worst injury I ever suffered was a sprained ankle as result of a pothole in the pitch! But maybe that was because I wasn’t good enough to get injured.
I am sure the Yak and Mikky won’t be rushed back and I am also sure that when they are back there will be the usual ’pulls’ and ’strains’ as their bodies strive for fitness.
One thing is clear though, we can’t, if we have any ambition to be at least consistent, keep trying to operate on such a small squad. It is unlikely we will have the money to buy anything better than competent journeymen but while that is not really good enough, it could supplement our ’one-big-buy-a-year’ policy which seems to prevail at present and which could provide some competent back-up for situations like this.
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