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I recently read the Last Domingan article on ToffeeWeb, and was interested in others' comments about the night, and especially the Trust and it?s lack of ?apparent? progress. I am not trying to rock the boat or cause divisions in the Everton fans, but below were my initial reactions that were re-ignited by the recent ?fence-offs? in the article?s Comments section.

I also appreciate Ian?s time and thoughtfulness in providing the write-ups, and understand it is difficult to be 100% precise. I am not a ?regular? at these events and I do not know a lot of the people involved; however, as this was my first visit to one of these meetings, I was struck by two things:

1. The Records Office ? Max seemed VERY keen to point out that Everton DONATED a great deal of material to the collection (he had some slides showing what looked like some ceramic/porcelain lady figures and a Bell) to demonstrate this.

When asked after his presentation, he stated that whilst initially they thought the Collection was 80:20 in David France?s favour, it was actually 60:40!! This is curious as I have been a visitor to the ?bunker? on more than one occasion and it didn?t look like it held that much, and I would be amazed if the QUALITY came anywhere near matching what Dr France had amassed!!!

2. When Max opened the floor for questions, Steve (Williams?) from the Trust answered some questions, and one of the questions that was put to him and Max, was what happens when the Lottery Funding runs out after 3 years (remember 14 plus months have already gone). I hope that the majority of the existing Collection can make it to the website, as l would be unhappy if the ledger pages and one or two other bits and pieces appeared ?pending new funds or backing?!!!!

The Trust representative was also asked if the Trust had minutes of their quarterly meetings ? apparently they do for their auditors, and when asked if they could make these minutes available (Ian seems to muddle this question and response in his write-up, but I know the guy with the tape recording can confirm), the Trust member stated that the Trust would not make them available because they contain ?sensitive? information???

When the Trust asked why the Trust minutes should be available, it led to people suggesting ideas and ways to help the Trust raise funds ? THIS WAS EXACTLY WHY THE QUESTION WAS ASKED - MORE HEADS HAVE MORE IDEAS!!

He did apologise for the lack of openness on progress and promised to get the PR working better. However, I don?t recall him actually confirming he would make ANY minutes available (Ian?s write-up again seems to muddle this response).

I got the impression that the Trust seemed a bit of a quiet set-up and not very visible. I am not saying the Trust want to take the glory for the Collection, but I began to wonder what, and who, they were actually composed of.

I acknowledge what Steve has said on this site, that there probably ARE very good Blues on the Trust, and let's be honest it GOT THE COLLECTION SECURED SO WELL DONE TO IT. However, I would like to know if a member of the Shareholders Association or another body such as the Everton Heritage Society attends the Trust meetings? ? and then at least the minutes could be available to a wider Everton audience with similar EFC commitment and an interest in the future direction the collection takes.

It was evident from the night that the Everton Family audience had good ideas ? Fund raising matches, Personal Loans of memorabilia, the publication of a Trust newsletter or regular updates in the Programme, etc... time will tell if the Trust were listening. Or maybe it is just too early in the project?

One thing I would like to see is a list of all the Trust members, with text pen pics detailing their roles on the Trust and who they are, what they do, why they do it, their ideas, contact details....... and who they support ;-). I really enjoyed the evening, and look forward to more, I thought all of the speakers were excellent.

HOW ABOUT THE NEXT FORUM BELONGING TO THE TRUST MEMBERS TO PRESENT THEMSELVES AND A FULL UPDATE ON THEIR ACTIVITIES AND FUTURE WORK ?

Appetite Whetted!!!!
David Starsky, Cambridge     Posted 27/02/2009 at 12:40:04

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Michael Kenrick
Some very interesting points raised there, David. The question of openness and transparency seems valid, and there should be a mechanism for sensitive material to remain confiddential... although quite what that would be in this context, I do not know.

Perhaps difficulties with Lord Grantchester...? Or the claim that some have made regarding there being too many redshite running the thing and not enough Evertonians...

There were a couple of posts along these lines that I did not feel were appropriate to Ian's Last Domingan thread but, since you have broached the issue, I'm putting them in as comments to this thread.

Ged Madden
1   Posted 19/02/2009 at 14:14:30

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[Transferred from the Last Domingan thread #10928]

What have the 4 highly paid experts listed in Ian MacDonald?s article been doing with our money? Not much if you ask me.

The Everton Collection needs to be run by Evertonians for Evertonians. It should be a passionate vocation. It should be an honour not a 9 to 5 job. Would Liverpool FC have their history managed by a Blue? Would Man United have their museum run by a City fan?

I don?t think so. Anyone fortunate enough to have read David France?s book or seen his unbroken sequences of programmes, letters, tickets and cigarette cards knows that they had been compiled, catalogued and presented in precise chronological order from 1886 to 2007. If these materials were in no particular order in June 2008, as claimed, then who at the Records Office messed them up?

As for security I?ve heard that some of the locked storage boxes containing the memorabilia had been broken into at the Records Office. Also I heard that priceless items from Alex Young?s career have been misplaced. It?s our club. It?s our heritage.

The Everton Collection must be run by Evertonians for Evertonians.

[Editor's Note: This does not appear to be from the infamous 'Gerard Madden' / 'Rupert Tarlington' of Destination Kirkby infamy]

Tony Marsh
2   Posted 27/02/2009 at 19:52:51

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Not wishing to appear ignorant but can some one explain to me who Dr David France is?I know he put together the amazing collection of memorabilla but why is the term Dr attributed to him.Just interested thats all as I had never heard of him before all this collection arguement broke out.
Derek Thomas
3   Posted 28/02/2009 at 05:05:48

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Transparency must be the word.

There are already accusations of personal ’ Train Sets ’ The Collection must not turn in to a smaller version of same, some sort of crystal skull temple of doom heathen cult where only the acolytes can be allow access to fellow proven / validated acolytes.

OPEN TO ALL FREE ACCESS.

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