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Alan Wiley
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Am I correct in thinking that Alan Wiley was the referee in last seasons' Blackburn/Everton fixture? Yes... the one where Johnson was nearly chopped in two by Khasavelli in the box and had a perfect goal disallowed in the last minute!
I'm surprised that David Moyes has not seen fit to comment on the outrageous decision where Samba flattened Cahill only to see Wiley rule against Cahill.... possibly the worst decision I've ever seen! This man make Clattenburg seem half competent ... what an ass.
I would think that, if the club did create a stink about Wiley then the FA would have no choice but not to appoint him for any other Everton games as they try to avoid controversy at all costs.
Peter Eastoe, Posted 06/03/2009 at 06:02:08
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I think he was also the referee in the "Watch him" comments to the linesman when Duncan Ferguson came on as a substitute. The referee, by singling out an individual for special treatment, was surely going against the rules of "fairness to all" or innocent until proven guilty. Ferguson, on that occasion, should not have been targetted.If the linesman is paying too much attention to one player he can surely miss other offences perpetrated by other players.
Unfortunately Wiley appears to be yet another referee caught up with his celebrity or star struck by his association with "stars" such as Stevie Me.
Unfortunately Wiley appears to be yet another referee caught up with his celebrity or star struck by his association with "stars" such as Stevie Me.
Wiley denied us a clear penalty when Leon Cort hand balled it in the box for stoke right back at the start of this season.
Problem is, if the FA were to prevent all the referees that have wronged us from taking our games... we wouldn’t have many options left!
Mention of Duncan Ferguson and the absolute godawfulness of referees makes me think that it is old pros who should be doing the reffing. Old Pro’s would see through the shenanigans that cowards like Nolan or the serial fouler Carragher get away with. I would love to see that horrid little caveman Rooney spout off to Referee Mr. Duncan Ferguson. Send him off for persistent dissent? More like a slap upside the head is what he’d get. Why aren’t former poachers recruited as gamekeepers? Surely it would beat sitting on a couch talking shite to Gary Lineker?
Matthew, I thought I had imagined that, as no-one has really brought it up. Two players take out Cahill but because a shot was taken by Pienaar it was overlooked, clear-cut penalty in my... ahem... unbiased eyes.
Reminds me of my amateur days in the 60s and 70s. We had a real character of a referee call Harry Munsford I think.
He would "send" a player off for 10 minutes to cool down and if the player said, "You can't do that!" he would say, "Do you want to go off for the rest of the game then?"
If a player kicked a ball away then he would tell them to go and get it or he was sending them off. In the end they would go and get it and then he would kick it away and tell them to go and get it again.
Never a dull moment but he was always spot on with his decisions. I doubt he?d get on the Fifa list but he was always fair and impartial no matter how well he knew the players.
He would "send" a player off for 10 minutes to cool down and if the player said, "You can't do that!" he would say, "Do you want to go off for the rest of the game then?"
If a player kicked a ball away then he would tell them to go and get it or he was sending them off. In the end they would go and get it and then he would kick it away and tell them to go and get it again.
Never a dull moment but he was always spot on with his decisions. I doubt he?d get on the Fifa list but he was always fair and impartial no matter how well he knew the players.
Jay Harris
I remember a ref... and this guy was clearly getting on a bit.... send a player to retrieve a ball he?d booted away in a game I played in at Sefton Park in the 60s. The player did get the ball and very sheepishly return it to the ref. The ref had no more problems for the remainder of the match. Could it be the same guy? His "act like children and I?ll treat you as children" stance worked.
I remember a ref... and this guy was clearly getting on a bit.... send a player to retrieve a ball he?d booted away in a game I played in at Sefton Park in the 60s. The player did get the ball and very sheepishly return it to the ref. The ref had no more problems for the remainder of the match. Could it be the same guy? His "act like children and I?ll treat you as children" stance worked.
Ray
that?ll be the man. He was old but very fit and wouldn't stand any nonsense. I think he worked for Penrose the Printers on Long Lane.
that?ll be the man. He was old but very fit and wouldn't stand any nonsense. I think he worked for Penrose the Printers on Long Lane.
Paul, the reason why old pros wouldn't make good referees is that most of them don;t know the rules ? you only have to listen to the shite most pundits spout to realise that.
Also, as a retired millionaire footballer, would I rather sit on a comfy sofa and be paid thousands to state the obvious or would I rather be abused by 22 overpaid prima donnas and be called a wanker by 30,000 people for the sake of a few hundred pounds plus expenses.
Hmm, tough one...
Also, as a retired millionaire footballer, would I rather sit on a comfy sofa and be paid thousands to state the obvious or would I rather be abused by 22 overpaid prima donnas and be called a wanker by 30,000 people for the sake of a few hundred pounds plus expenses.
Hmm, tough one...
Tony - I?m actually very relieved you spoke up as I couldn?t believe that nobody seemed to notice it. His legs were violently cut out from under him without either one of the Blackburn players even touching the ball. Couldn?t believe the commentators didn?t mention it either... although they were nearly as infuriating as Wiley. Definitely one of the worst officiating displays I?ve seen in a long time... and that?s saying a lot considering some of the calls we?ve been subjected to.
If ever there was a classic illustration of how effectively a referee was sucked in, look no further than Allardyce's gotcha grin and hypothetical high five to his assistant as Wiley penalised Cahill when in fact the free kick should have gone the other way.
If Wiley has an ounce of integrity he would be embarrassed that fellow refs would have noted that particular incident. Those kind of incidents cry out for a match official to offer some kind of explanation. The paying public should not have to rely on the views of armchair pundits when the person above who actually makes the decision is allowed to keep his silence.
If Wiley has an ounce of integrity he would be embarrassed that fellow refs would have noted that particular incident. Those kind of incidents cry out for a match official to offer some kind of explanation. The paying public should not have to rely on the views of armchair pundits when the person above who actually makes the decision is allowed to keep his silence.
He fucking hates us for some reason.
Jay, the refs name was Harry Mumford, so you were quite close. He was a great old bloke who would have a pint with you after the game. He loved his amateur football and would have had no time for some of the prima donnas in the Premier League. He worked for Bemrose in Long Lane.
Mostly in days of yore the reffs were totally anonymous and although the tackles were hard, bookings were rare and sendings off rarer. It might be call Xenophobic now but true ’dirty’ tackles were rare and the only time you saw a cynical tackle it was Johnny Foreigner ala Chile ’62
In the Amateur leagues reffs were Characters not Celebrities and there in I think lies the difference. Egos and Arseholes the lot of them
In the Amateur leagues reffs were Characters not Celebrities and there in I think lies the difference. Egos and Arseholes the lot of them
This is a good shout Peter. I nearly had to call a paramedic on Wednesday when Cahill got blown out of the sky. How the hell Wiley could possibly make out that the defender was fouled is anyones guess. I think Wiley thought long about what Big Sam said and determined that he would look good to the football fraternity by being as clever as Sam. I believe Wiley was thinking that somehow Cahill shouldn?t win so much in the air given his size and weight and that there must be some cheating going on. Wiley?s boss should have a word something like; ?Piss off Alan you?re wrong?.
All credit to Big Sam if you can find an angle play it as clearly Wiley is now Sam?s bitch!
I worked with Harry at Bemmies and he was a true character, i.e. bonkers! He must have been about 70 but still turned in. Once played in a game where he sent a guy off for swearing, one of his team mates complained to him on the basis that he was the miscreant's brother. Harry promptly sent him off too; "Keep your kid company in the bath." Great days but sadly the likes of Harry would probably get twatted for offering his pearls of wisdom and that is maybe why guys don?t want to work through the system unless they play it by the book unlike Harry.
What's really unbelievable is that no-one has come out and exposed Gerrard for the cheating referee manipulator he is. Why doesn?t a manager turn the spotlight on him? For some reason Moyes finds it hard to play these mind games but they are part of his job and are clearly effective in many cases.
I only hope that in the last few games of the season Cahill has a good goal disallowed against a Blackburn rival and that sends fat Sam down.... so long as it doesn?t affect Everton's position obviously!
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