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Huth on Fellaini

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Didn't pick up on this so much watching the game from the Upper Gwladys St but, having caught the highlights on ITV last night, I was astounded by Huth's treatment of Fellaini when lining up for set pieces and also the officials' failure to spot it.

On a number of occasions Huth actually had Fellaini in a headlock FFS! Holding is too tame a word to describe Huth's tactics in the game and in light of recent attempts by certain managers to draw attention to (for "draw attention to" read target) particular Everton players I find this frustrating to say the least. If I were Fellaini, I'd have offered him my shirt at half time as he was obviously desperate to get it off him. Huth clearly paid no attention to the ball and just did everything in his power to stop the big man from moving or competing for the ball.

Main reason I've posted this (mailbag virgin alert) is because nobody else mentioned it! None of the pundits mentioned it on TV, none of the match reports in the papers touched on it, but to me it seemed like blatant gamesmanship and it occurred almost every time we won a corner.

Fellaini is no tackler and probably deserves most of the yellows he gets, but I wouldn't class him as a dirty player and I think he was given a bit of a raw deal yesterday.
Neil McKinney, Leeds     Posted 09/03/2009 at 15:58:21

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Michael Kenrick
Hi Neil, and welcome.

It was shockingly blatant. For much of the game, Halsey was obviously lenient in punishing the physical side, which might be interpreted as playing to our advantage. (I appreciate teh fact that he didn't book any of our players... but then again, he didn't book any of theirs either! To be fair to the refs, it's the hardest line they have to tread, between allowing some contact as being "part of the game", verses blowing up for each and every contact and driving us toward that horrific vision of a non-contact sport.

My guess is Huth was not punished yesterday because Halsey would have had to award a penalty, I believe (... or would it have been an indirect free-kick?), and he was obviously never going to do that. Could he not have at least warned Huth and told him to cut it out or else? But if Huth gets away with it each time, then he's obviously going to carry on doing it with increasing impunity.

"Respect" ... ??? Phfteey!

Joeynkoo Ludden
1   Posted 09/03/2009 at 20:30:31

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Huth got away with murder. On one occasion, Fellaini fought back from a headlock and straight away, free kick to Boro. Disgusting tactics from a mercenary side built by an unqualified manager and quiter ? Southgate.

The fact no penalty awards were given is as surprising as no mention of the repeatedly foul play in the media. I'm sorry to say it, but until the game is ridded of such tactics, we need to get clever, and Fellaini needs to go to ground when it happens to him.

Paul Gladwell
2   Posted 09/03/2009 at 20:34:13

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I think it is about time our manager came out and started acting a bit more like Fergie and Co. We have been kicked off the park by the Geordies, had that prick Allardyce calling Cahill, and now we have the big Fella getting no help yet bookings galore and we say sod all but what a nice guy Nolan is.It is good sometimes to be good sports, but our manager is being too nice, could you imagine Fergie after that Newcastle game?

Say what you like about him but he protects his football club like no other and its about time Davey started spouting a bit more ? it certainly worked before the derby games. It was the same with AJ, Moyes should of came out fighting because that was in a way cheating by trying to influence the ref before the game.

Steve Flaherty
3   Posted 09/03/2009 at 20:41:58

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Huth seemed determined to impregnate Fellaini during yesterday's game but I can?t say I?m suprised that the ref didn?t take action. This type of thing occurs in every set-piece situation around the penalty area these days and goes unpunished. One of the rare occassions I do remember a ref doing something about it was during the 2002 World Cup when Anders Frisk awarded Ireland a penalty against Spain after Hierro climbed up on Niall Quinns back for the umpteenth time.

In fairness to Setanta Sports they did draw attention to the issue during their half-time analysis but Hartson more or less dismissed it by saying that Fellaini is a big boy and can give as good as he gets... Fat Bastard!

Sam Morrison
4   Posted 09/03/2009 at 21:11:58

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re: Hartson. Berkovic wasn?t that big was he? I seem to remember the one-time Hammer kicking his team-mate in the head...
Chris Smith
5   Posted 09/03/2009 at 21:12:53

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I don?t know if you got the same commentary in the UK that we were getting on Setanta here in Canada, but the commentators did draw attention to Huth?s assault on Fellaini and made the valid point that until referees start awarding penalties for this kind of thing then defenders will carry on trying to get away with it. It?s up to the refs to start keeping a closer eye on what?s going on in the box at free kicks / corners and to have the balls to take action when a defender is impeding the opposition.

The annoying thing is, refs are all too quick to blow up for challenges the other way (i.e. against the attacker), particularly for seemingly fair challenges in the air on goalkeepers. I?d like to see refs get tougher on this, you can bet that once penalties start getting awarded then defenders will stop doing it.
Ben Dyson
6   Posted 09/03/2009 at 21:30:55

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From the Grauniad:

?Their (Everton?s) only threat before the interval arrived from set pieces or in the hope that the referee, Mark Halsey, would punish Robert Huth for grappling Marouane Fellaini whenever he set foot inside the area. That was some hope. Not even a hand around the Belgian?s neck counted as an offence against the increasingly irate Fellaini.?

Apparently FIFA have slipped in a new law: Law12a, which states:

Law12 shall not apply, if the victim of the foul play is tall and has hair over 36 inches (91cm) in diameter.

Bob Turner
7   Posted 09/03/2009 at 21:43:41

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Just watched the highlights, and I can’t believe none of the (so-called) experts on TV picked up on what seems to be a forearm smash on Screech in the second half following a clearance (and another wrestling competition). I don’t know the name of the player who did it, but it’s more blatant than anything else. The look of disbelief on Screech’s face summed it up perfectly - what the fuck!!!!!

I just wish David Moyes would rant on about it like the other fuckwits Benitez and Allardyce, just once, because it’s doing my head in that Screech gets booked for a couple of fouls when others commit twice as many fouls and don’t get spoken to. For instance, how many times did O’Neill throw the ball away whenever we won a free kick??
Keith Glazzard
8   Posted 09/03/2009 at 21:46:46

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Thank heavens Fellaini got the best revenge he could - a goal, 1-1.

Halsey could have done what too many refs have done this season and booked our man for next to nothing while he was being relentlessly fouled by the opposition. We won?t get that every week, and there?s a long way to go before the Big Fella is comfortable in the PL, but he turned it on yesterday and there are very good days to come.

I saw the game here in Spain via Sky/Fox. The commentary seemed to be fair and the main man ? I don?t know his name ? got very close to how Marouane would pronounce his own surname, more like Fella-ee-nee than the usual Motson type approximation of Fellay-nee.

Big Fella will do me nicely.
Martin Cutler
9   Posted 09/03/2009 at 22:14:56

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Neil, I did mention it yesterday, albeit briefly (and I didn?t name Huth), in one of my postings. I watched the game live on the tele and I actually couldn?t believe that Huth got away with it repeatedly.... It was blatant arms across his shoulder and around Fellaini?s neck... but, hey, it?s an Everton player so do we expect anything different from a ref!!
Vince Hindson
10   Posted 09/03/2009 at 22:21:23

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I think it?s great that Moyes doesn?t whinge on like Fergie, Wenger, etc... I think it reflects well on our club that we stand out as fair. It will take years to get this firmly established in footie circles but the main man is doing the right thing by standing above his peers.
Richard Murray
11   Posted 09/03/2009 at 22:38:59

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I watched the match on Setanta and the commentators on there mentioned it frequently. They also said we should have been awarded penalties etc.
Dennis Karanikolopoulos
12   Posted 09/03/2009 at 22:55:30

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I’m with you Vince, last thing we wanna do is become like the rest of those moaners....

...."we do things with dignity at Everton".......
Aide Dews
13   Posted 09/03/2009 at 23:48:23

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In Moyes We Trust!!!!!!!!!! COYB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paul Connell
14   Posted 09/03/2009 at 23:52:17

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I think we have to strongly question the integrity of the referee. I made made a very easy prediction during the game that as soon as Screech reacted to getting assaulted the whistle would go. Sure enough after being strangled on 4 occasions he pushed Huth back and a freekick was given. This proves ref saw everything but didn?t have the courage to blow for us just because it was in the area.

When are these incompetent morons going to realise the ball doesn?t need to be involved for a foul to be a foul. If 1 ref grows a backbone and starts making these decisions this blatent cheating will stop. Southgate sent his CH Out with the instruction to cheat because he knew he would get away with it.

Chris Jones
15   Posted 10/03/2009 at 00:47:16

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One thing I noticed in the second half, when we had a corner, was that Tim put his arm around his team-mate Marouane precluding Huth from doing the same without looking a complete twat. Shows our boys were thinking their way round the issue. Mind you, knowing our luck, the ref would have blown for a foul on one of our players by t?other and awarded it to Boro!
Jay Harris
16   Posted 10/03/2009 at 00:51:16

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On a similar subject, I?d like to know what?s happened to the obstruction rule when a defender can take up to 10-yards blocking an opponent from getting to the ball with no intention of playing it himself.

And also WTF is this "Eased him off the ball" bullshit about? Another Andy Grayism. Cahill was clearly pushed off the ball in the penalty area yesterday and I suppose the Sky pundits would say he was "eased off the ball" or "it would have been a soft penalty". It?s either a penalty or it isn't!!

And if it?s obstruction then an indirect free kick should be given.

It makes me laugh that this stupid offside rule is applied religiously but a longstanding rule for obstruction is blatantly ignored.
Ian Kearney
17   Posted 10/03/2009 at 01:28:58

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The most important thing about all of this is that Fellaini fought back to good effect, without getting himself in trouble. He smashed Huth in the air for his goal, and I can't remember who it was he battered off the ball to create a chance in the second half, but regardless, I was very impressed with his reaction.
Joey Dela
18   Posted 10/03/2009 at 01:55:19

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Fellaini was given no protection the whole game & even when he chased a ball down going for a goal kick the defender kicked out at him. He did give it back a bit descreetly & that impressed me as he has learnt not to do it in front of the ref!

As for the headlock, a deffo pen ? it's football not rugby... Huth & Co were told to upset him to get him sent off!

I thought the ref was poor & the fouls he gave against us he was certainly no homer. Saying that, he blew up for full-time when they had a corner before they could take it. That does not happen much & it was inside the 4 minutes added-on time!

Pete Jones
19   Posted 10/03/2009 at 04:42:55

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Shows how ridiculous the game can be. If cheating sod Ronaldo got given the same treatment as our mophead, that lot would have had at least 3 or 4 pens by half time!
Paul Gladwell
20   Posted 10/03/2009 at 08:43:15

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Sorry lads, name me the last successful nice manager? Howard Kendall!

Whilst I would not want Moyes to turn into a crying gobshite like him across the park he needs to speak out more. or we will carry on getting jack shit help.

From the first to the last minute at Newcastle they let left their foot in on every tackle, it was a ploy simple as and we said nothing, it took another manager to highlight some of the stuff that went on, does this not give other teams ideas to do the same?

We spent months saying nothing about managers influencing refs over AJ and in that time we should of had 11 penalties through him alone and his confidence became shot and so with it his Everton career. Before you know it other managers will be calling Cahill before important games too.
I loved Moyes?s classic integrity shout, but as a matter of fact he was playing mind games for once and he won, so a bit more please Dave. Like it or not big managers try to influence games before a ball has been kicked, being too nice is a dissadvantage in my eyes.

Mo Hartley
21   Posted 10/03/2009 at 09:02:52

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Bob Turner: Surely if Moyes were to "rant on like fuck-wits Benitez and Allardyce" it would make him a fuck-wit too! I much prefer our manager?s method of having a quiet word in the ref?s shell-like after the game and including mention of their shortcomings in written comments to their boss, Keith Hackett.

Too many Evertonians have a persecution complex but all-in-all, we don?t do too bad with most refs, as would be obvious if you also noticed our team?s transgressions!

Tim Wardrop
22   Posted 10/03/2009 at 10:32:12

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There?s a bit of talk about "obstruction" on this forum. I?m pretty sure that word got taken out of the laws a few years ago. There?s no just reference to "impeding".

What you have to remember is that virtually every law is caveated with the phrase "in the interpretation of the referree", which is effectively a get out of jail free card in some instances.

On the Huth v Fellaini thing - the big fella has got to be very careful. He has a temper (as we saw when he was in a similar situation in the Hull match) and if he?s not careful he will end up getting sent off for lashing out at someone. He needs to learn to keep his composure.

Ideally he needs to learn off Cahill - I think Tim is a master at committing sneeky "team" fouls and taking advantage of grey areas in the laws in an inconspicuous manner. Fellaini needs to try and be more subtle in his approach to all aspects of the "off the ball" game, although granted it is difficult when you?re 6ft 5in and have an enormous barnet!

Phil Bellis
23   Posted 10/03/2009 at 11:24:46

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For me, the question is does the referee give the foul if it?s nearer the half-way line? Usually, yes.... whereas a similar foul in the area is ignored ? as he would have to give a penalty

So, selective decision-making by cowards, in the main. I?ve heard Oliver Kay has published a set of photos detailing the assaults on Fellaini on Sunday but can?t find them on t?web.

Bob Turner
24   Posted 10/03/2009 at 12:26:28

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Mo Hartley

As I said, just once would do me - might not make any difference, but would be very cathartic for quite a few of us, I would imagine!
Patty Beesley
25   Posted 10/03/2009 at 13:51:16

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Let them write us off against Man U in the Semi-Cup Final.... all I would say is remember the story of David and Goliath!!!
Ed Bottomley
26   Posted 10/03/2009 at 19:51:47

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Patty, I?m with you ? much more comfortable being an underdog. In fact, I was worried sick about the Boro game because we weren't the underdogs!
Marco Bonfiglio
27   Posted 10/03/2009 at 22:57:18

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This is a complicated, self-sustaining issue because of the number of bookings Screech has already (sometimes unjustly) attracted. We all thought professional refs were the answer, but the majority of professional refs are (and have been) a narcissistic part of the problem.

It?s changing slowly: Clattenburg?s atrocities came back to haunt him - even though he?s weaseled his way back in, his credibility is shot. And I think Moyes?s dignified approach is preferable to the high-pitched squeaking of ... well, let?s leave that one. The fact is that the press are starting to notice the iniquities, and the refs read the press.

We?ll be the People?s Choice in the semis.

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