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After reading about the financial difficulty currently being endured by Valencia, I wonder how much Manny Fernandes regrets his decision to head to Spain instead of signing for Everton?
Considering he is not being paid currently and the dire state of Valencia's finances, we might get him for a fiver in the summer!!
Graham Nolan, Posted 09/03/2009 at 16:13:17
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Bill would paid it in installments... £2 up front, £1 if we win the title, £1 if we win a cup, £1 if we win a European Cup.
Matthew - "I?d drive the 540 mile round trip from my house to Goodison" - I call shotgun
Chris - "Bill would pay it in installments... £2 up front, £1 if we win the title, £1 if we win a cup, £1 if we win a European Cup" - Low blow, but funny as fuck.
We could really do with Manny right now, but no use crying over spilt milk.
Chris - "Bill would pay it in installments... £2 up front, £1 if we win the title, £1 if we win a cup, £1 if we win a European Cup" - Low blow, but funny as fuck.
We could really do with Manny right now, but no use crying over spilt milk.
Feels like there?s some kind of destiny here, don?t ya think? Right player, right time, right price...
But I still want Moutinho first. Then Fernandes or M?Bia.
But I still want Moutinho first. Then Fernandes or M?Bia.
Saw M’Bia on TV last week, playing for Rennes. He looks useful, but his game is very physical. It’d be a race between him and Fellaini as to who gets to 10 yellows the quickest!
Has there ever been such a never-ending fuss about such and over-hyped player !!!
He?s just not that great lads. He really isn?t. An over-rated fancy dan living off the memory of a couple of drag backs and one nice goal against Man Utd.
He?s not an Everton player. Can we please accept that and all move on. I?m sick to bloody death of people going on about him. He was utter, utter dung the second time round. Gave the ball away countless times and was largely totally anonymous for the rest of his second spell.
A total fanny merchant.
He?s just not that great lads. He really isn?t. An over-rated fancy dan living off the memory of a couple of drag backs and one nice goal against Man Utd.
He?s not an Everton player. Can we please accept that and all move on. I?m sick to bloody death of people going on about him. He was utter, utter dung the second time round. Gave the ball away countless times and was largely totally anonymous for the rest of his second spell.
A total fanny merchant.
What is so good about M?bia? Moutinho and Fernandes are a different class to M?bia. M?bia is a defensive midfielder you can't expect him to fulfill the same role as Arteta, but Moutinho or Manny could do that. I?m not sure it would be a good idea to spend £8mil on someone like M?bia.
John Taylor, well said!!!!
Spot on john, sick of friggin hearing of him!
Fernandes, at the right price, would quite simply be a fantastic addition to our squad.
Keith Glazzard, also well said !!!!!!
El-Ray Jackson, have you even seen M?Bia play? He?s totally a different type of player to Moutinho and Fernandes, he?s an holding midfield player and a good one at that and I for one hope we can sign him in the summer because if I'm honest I don't want to see Neville playing in that role next season. He?s filled in ok this season but if we're to push on as a club next year then a better quality of player has to come in for those positions in midfield and M?Bia has got to be a must for me, he?s quality!!
I?d also like to see us bring Moutinho in this summer but I don't think we?ll be able to afford him for some reason, but that type of quality were going to need next year. Osman, Gosling, Castillo and Neville won't be or aren?t good enough to push us into the top four; they might be good squad players but not what we need regularly in the side, week-in, week-out to try and push for the Champions League.
Now M?Bia and Moutinho are just the ticket for me, I?d settle for just those two to be our big money signings this summer but it all boils down to money doesn't it? ? Whether we've got that kind of cash or not?!!
Second time around I reckon he only got up to match fitness/sharpness at the end of the season. The shift he put in versus the barcodes at Goodison was awesome. I'd have him back for a third spell.
Fernandes is like a parson's egg ? could be very good or so bad he was awful and a lazy sod to boot. Why isn?t anybody else interested if he is supposedly so good?
In any case, is it not a fact that the FA frowns on three part transfers? Is the delay in Manure signing Tevez at least partly caused by a third party owning him? Water can be very murky with that kind of bottom feeder stirring things up.
Ok, I’m probably going to get slated for this- but what is this obession that some Everton fans seem to have with Fernandes???
It’s almost like he’s the only decent midfielder in the world at the moment.
I don’t care what he’s doing nor do I want him back.
There are scores of promising young players out there (God knows United can uncover them with astonishing regularity) who could be bought and nurtured rather than us harking back to this guy every other week.
If he is so good why aren’t some of the world’s big club’s beating a path to his door?
He’s over rated and over priced.
Can we please move on?
It’s almost like he’s the only decent midfielder in the world at the moment.
I don’t care what he’s doing nor do I want him back.
There are scores of promising young players out there (God knows United can uncover them with astonishing regularity) who could be bought and nurtured rather than us harking back to this guy every other week.
If he is so good why aren’t some of the world’s big club’s beating a path to his door?
He’s over rated and over priced.
Can we please move on?
Just my opinion but there are plenty of fish in the sea.
I have seen M’bia play several times, he is a solid player but I haven’t been overlly impressed. Add to that that he has since last summer come out and said he is glad he didn’t join Everton. From all of his comments this guy is a mercenary of the highest order.
Fernandez has had his chances and proved his worth. When interviewed on his 2nd term he claimed he never wanted to snub us. He is a quality player and I’d love to have him in the squad. But only for a bargin. Moyes himself has said it in the past this club is at a stage now that only top internationals can take us foward
I have seen M’bia play several times, he is a solid player but I haven’t been overlly impressed. Add to that that he has since last summer come out and said he is glad he didn’t join Everton. From all of his comments this guy is a mercenary of the highest order.
Fernandez has had his chances and proved his worth. When interviewed on his 2nd term he claimed he never wanted to snub us. He is a quality player and I’d love to have him in the squad. But only for a bargin. Moyes himself has said it in the past this club is at a stage now that only top internationals can take us foward
Russell, M’Bia did’nt say those things about not wanting to join us, it was that stupid L’Equipe magazine making it all up, he came out n stated to sky sports after the january window that he made it clear to his club that he wanted to join us in the summer but Rennes did’nt want to let him go because they wanted to keep him for another season to try and help the team push for the champions league and that next summer he could have his wish of a move and he said he’ll see what happens in the summer with regards to a transfer! i dont kno wat games uve seen him in but every time ive seen him play ive been impressed with him, big, strong and powerfull, bit of pace, gets stuck in, gives good cover to the back four, eye for a pass and he doesnt always play sideways or backwards, he likes to drive on and start attacks, plays the ball forward and i think Arteta would like to play infront of him, let M’Bia do the dirty work and then feed Arteta to do his stuff, because ill be honest, i dont want Neville in are midfield, he’s not good enough, yeh he as one or two decent games but generally he’s shite, we need better quality in there! and Moutinho would be a great signing too but i think we’ll get out priced for him, unless we make him are only big money signing next summer and the rest be brought in on loan or freebies?!!
Aide, if he came out and said that fair enough, I just seem to remember that he wanted to wait for a big club and mentioned Arsenal. You seem sold anyway.
I agree that the defensive mid should do the dirty work and then feed Arteta. Personally I think Pip has did a great job when he could focus on defending and then finding a pass for Arteta. Granted though he is not the long term answer there.
I noticed in an interview last week Fellaini claimed that despite Moyes asking him to play further foward he still considers himself a defensive mid and thats where he feels comfortable.
I agree that the defensive mid should do the dirty work and then feed Arteta. Personally I think Pip has did a great job when he could focus on defending and then finding a pass for Arteta. Granted though he is not the long term answer there.
I noticed in an interview last week Fellaini claimed that despite Moyes asking him to play further foward he still considers himself a defensive mid and thats where he feels comfortable.
I think more to the point will we need to sign two central midfielders? Moyes certainly rates Fellaini, Arteta will definitely resume his place in midfield once fit and even Cahills harshest critics would admit the guy has been amazing for Everton this season, his ability to switch from up front to midfield were he subsequently bossed the midfield on Sunday only confirms this. Therefore we would still require some width in the side and presuming Moyes sticks with just one up front for next season that would only leave one place available. I agree to genuinely challenge for the title next season Osman, Neville and Gosling are not the answer, but i am not sure the players mentioned above are either.
Fernandes shook hands with Bill on a deal to come to Goodison then agreed to his switch to Valencia. Shithouse of the highest order. He’s only on the bench for them anyway this season and now he’s not getting paid. Brilliant! I agree with the title of this article.
A fiver sounds about right for that ineffectual mercenary.
Paul Kish, the obsession with Fernandes is that we were exciting to watch with him and Arteta in the team as they both have great feet and flair and both have the ability to pick a pass and dictate the tempo of the game.
At the moment without Arteta, we have no-one who can retain possession anywhere near as effectively, I’d love to see Fernandes back because whatever anyone says about him, he is a class act and the potential to be one of the best! I think we should have signed him in the summer and I just hope that if we do go back in for him we don’t get outbid by someone like Man City.
At the moment without Arteta, we have no-one who can retain possession anywhere near as effectively, I’d love to see Fernandes back because whatever anyone says about him, he is a class act and the potential to be one of the best! I think we should have signed him in the summer and I just hope that if we do go back in for him we don’t get outbid by someone like Man City.
I honestly don't see Cahill being a midfielder for us anymore unless we really need to use him there, I think Moyes will play him as a centre forward or as a second striker off the front man next season. I just can't see where he?s going to fit in in our midfield once Arteta?s fit, if he buys a holding midfielder or pushes Fellaini back which I doubt because to me he?s no holding midfielder.
And if he goes back in for Moutinho, which I'm sure he will do but I'm not sure we?ll be able to come up with the money for him... but if he did bring him in and another midfielder, I don't think Cahill will play in midfield again. I think he?ll be pushed up front, which wouldn?t be such a bad thing because he?s shown recently he?s very capable up there!!!
Have we got a fiver?
Seems some people will recite the same old shite as infinitum.
Firstly, Valencia offered Benfica twice the sum we?d agreed. We were gazumped.
Secondly, he was carrying an injury for most of his second spell. I know some of you weren?t prepared to give Arteta the benefit of the doubt when he was injured last season either, which is utterly ridulous. Look at how he played when he was fit.
Fernandes is many times the player that clumsy streak of piss, Fellaini, is and the same applies to Moutinho. I have never seen that bloke have a good game.
We are still desperately short on the entertainment stakes at Goodison. Fernandes could provide some and Moyes, from his comments, clearly wanted to sign him.
Firstly, Valencia offered Benfica twice the sum we?d agreed. We were gazumped.
Secondly, he was carrying an injury for most of his second spell. I know some of you weren?t prepared to give Arteta the benefit of the doubt when he was injured last season either, which is utterly ridulous. Look at how he played when he was fit.
Fernandes is many times the player that clumsy streak of piss, Fellaini, is and the same applies to Moutinho. I have never seen that bloke have a good game.
We are still desperately short on the entertainment stakes at Goodison. Fernandes could provide some and Moyes, from his comments, clearly wanted to sign him.
Begs the question again though, all being fit, what is our best midfield? Tim Cahill gave us more balance when he dropped back more into the "Arteta" role at the weekend but if Mikel is in the middle then you’d have to see Tim playing just off the Yak. Then where would you play Felli? He says he’s a defensive midfielder but he get’s more bookings than Cannon & Ball used to get at Blackpool. Rodwell did look excellent playing next to Arteta but at the moment the Neville / Arteta midfield axis looks pretty good. Pienaar out left and Ossie out right. Someone like Fernandes coming in from the right may be a good option.
Then we have Saha, Vaughan.......we’ve not got a bad squad at all if all fit.
Then we have Saha, Vaughan.......we’ve not got a bad squad at all if all fit.
P.S. If Real Madrid don?t want Van der Vaart, I?d take him to EFC in a heartbeat!
I wouldn’t take anyone from Real Madrid after that pile of shite last night.
Alex, why didn’t Fernandes dig his heals in and insist on coming to Everton? If he’s so sublime why is he only on the bench for Valencia? It seems you’re the one reciting the same old shite.
Alex, why didn’t Fernandes dig his heals in and insist on coming to Everton? If he’s so sublime why is he only on the bench for Valencia? It seems you’re the one reciting the same old shite.
Sounds like a cunning plan that one Alan, telling your club to turn down an offer twice the size of the other one. An offer that came from a club who play in a league without any third party ownership issues. If you recall, that was delaying our attempts to sign him. That and Billy Bullshit not being able to find the money no doubt.
Fernades started most games for Valencia until getting suspended last month and appears to be one of the most popular players after the liks of Villa, Silva etc.
I can guarantee you one thing. If we’d signed him for £6m as well as Fellaini and wanted to sell them both at a future date, I know which we’d have sold for more money. It’s not the idiot with the fuzzy head!
Fernades started most games for Valencia until getting suspended last month and appears to be one of the most popular players after the liks of Villa, Silva etc.
I can guarantee you one thing. If we’d signed him for £6m as well as Fellaini and wanted to sell them both at a future date, I know which we’d have sold for more money. It’s not the idiot with the fuzzy head!
Regardless of injury, Moyes thought he was crap second time round otherwise he?d have signed him in the summer. Why did Moyes chase Moutinho instead if Fernandes was the answer to our prayers? Moyes didn?t trust his attitude and that?s why I don?t think the guy was blameless when it came to turning us down to go and play for Valencia. Fernandes is a mercenary.
Also, Alex, why do you think we?d be able to sell him for much more than £6 million when that?s Fernandes?s market value at the moment?
Also, Alex, why do you think we?d be able to sell him for much more than £6 million when that?s Fernandes?s market value at the moment?
With regards to Fernandes?s third-party ownership, I believe that Valencia bought that out when he signed for them, so his contract is no longer split between the club and the agency...
For the right money, I?d take him back no problem. He didn?t play a lot of games for us, but when he did, he showed he was a class player both going forward and battling in midfield...
Valencia are screwed financially, so they?d take £5 million for him without a doubt. We?d be mad not to take him for that. We need to build a squad of quality players. As we have noticed with Arteta out, we have nobody with similar talent to replace him with... Fernandes would bring this to the squad.
For the right money, I?d take him back no problem. He didn?t play a lot of games for us, but when he did, he showed he was a class player both going forward and battling in midfield...
Valencia are screwed financially, so they?d take £5 million for him without a doubt. We?d be mad not to take him for that. We need to build a squad of quality players. As we have noticed with Arteta out, we have nobody with similar talent to replace him with... Fernandes would bring this to the squad.
Everton were gazumped by Valencia for Fernandes. Football is a game predominantly driven by money ? we know this ? and as Dave Roberts so economically put it ? we don?t have very much of it. Not to attract the "top, top players" (as the Redknapp family would put it).
Fairly safe to assume that Fernandes (as well as Benfica) was offered substantially more money to go to Valencia - even if he currently isn?t seeing any of his agreed weekly wage. The salary cap at Everton means that any player who is offered upwards of around £50k a week elsewhere knows that Everton are not going to be able to match it.
Most players are mercenary when there are vast amounts of money to be made; Fernandes is not an Evertonian like us ? he is not bound to this club like we are. I think we often like to think that every player would like to play for our great club. And many would. But I personally think that we should not curse players for leaving ? or not coming here ? when for them it can boil down to nothing more than a business decision; it is us who has the emotional investment.
I genuinely believe that Fernandes did not choose Valencia over us; his hand was forced by the extra funds being offered to Valencia (and to him) that Everton could not match. Under no circumstances could Benfica and Fernandes have opted for the Everton offer if it was not going to match Valencia?s.
Fairly safe to assume that Fernandes (as well as Benfica) was offered substantially more money to go to Valencia - even if he currently isn?t seeing any of his agreed weekly wage. The salary cap at Everton means that any player who is offered upwards of around £50k a week elsewhere knows that Everton are not going to be able to match it.
Most players are mercenary when there are vast amounts of money to be made; Fernandes is not an Evertonian like us ? he is not bound to this club like we are. I think we often like to think that every player would like to play for our great club. And many would. But I personally think that we should not curse players for leaving ? or not coming here ? when for them it can boil down to nothing more than a business decision; it is us who has the emotional investment.
I genuinely believe that Fernandes did not choose Valencia over us; his hand was forced by the extra funds being offered to Valencia (and to him) that Everton could not match. Under no circumstances could Benfica and Fernandes have opted for the Everton offer if it was not going to match Valencia?s.
If Everton were selling a player then the club would expect that the player was sold to the highest bidder; the selling club has no loyalty whatsoever ? because the club is a business. That is what happened at Benfica. So if Manny - in some triple twist of fate ? does come back here, I would urge everyone to welcome him once more.
I would be astonished if either M’Bia or Fernandes pulled on a blue jersey. Many other managers would pick them up for their talent, but Moyes has always been reluctant to sign players with either dodgy characters or dodgy agents.
M’Bia virtually went on strike and Rennes I believe gave him a new contract to stay. Fernandes himself may be a decent enough bloke but I suspect dealing with the agents who own part of his registration will make a move too bothersome.
Moutinho, on the otherhand, seems like a die-hard fan of his club and a very committed individual. Despite he attachment to Sporting, I suspect he will leave and whoever gets him will be buying a player who has shown a willingness to play for the jersey. Right up Moyes alley I would say, except for the small matter of the readies, which sadly may not be forthcoming.
M’Bia virtually went on strike and Rennes I believe gave him a new contract to stay. Fernandes himself may be a decent enough bloke but I suspect dealing with the agents who own part of his registration will make a move too bothersome.
Moutinho, on the otherhand, seems like a die-hard fan of his club and a very committed individual. Despite he attachment to Sporting, I suspect he will leave and whoever gets him will be buying a player who has shown a willingness to play for the jersey. Right up Moyes alley I would say, except for the small matter of the readies, which sadly may not be forthcoming.
For me, the money to bring in Moutinho will come from the sale of Peanut to either of the 2 Russian teams who want him, supposedly willing to pay £6 mill.... good deal, I say.
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