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Keep the faith ? Davie Moyes for president
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To quote a poster to TW on 10/10/2008 ? ?In all honesty, this Everton side is performing as bad as any I have ever seen ? including the Mike Walker and Walter Smith sides ? so going down is not as far-fetched as some of our lot think. We are a one-dimensional side with a negative manager and on current form deserve to be relegated. I mean when was the last time you seen a David Moyes side do something different out on the pitch? A new move at a corner or free kick for example. A set play from the training ground perhaps. There's nothing there at all is there? What can Moyes possibly teach the players he has under him??
If we had pursued our constant negative peer?s wishes then we would probably be stuck with a different manager and more akin to Blackburn or Newcastle struggling in the depths of the Premier League rather than our current position of challenging for a top 4 spot and in semi-final of FA Cup.
What has David Moyes done for the club,
- Turned the club into a regular top 6 team, with expectations of regular European football and wishes that this be Champion?s League
- Bought in players and managed to get the best out of them, which have significantly increased their valuation and team performances, e.g. Cahill, Arteta, Lescott, Jagielka,
- Coached, coerced and sometimes dragged great performances out of average or underperforming players, e.g. Osman, Hibbert
- Seen the need for stalwarts to steady the ship and provide leadership, Carsley, Neville
- Bought big when required, to increase profile, firepower and strength of team e.g. Johnson, Yakubu
- Increased the perception of Everton, moved them into a 21st century club with latest training facilities, methods and approaches
- Built a support team to ensure that all aspects of players coaching, fitness, health, training fits into the ethos of a winning mentality.
A sign of how good a manager we have is the fact his peers have awarded him Manager of the Year twice in the last 4 years.
My point is this, even when things sometimes don?t start of as planned, have faith that we have the correct people and the support to ensure we are successful. For the most part, Everton Supporters are the most intelligent, vociferous, vocal and, when I manage to get to games, vibrant supporters in England. Now if only we could get a ground to match our ambition, and I personally wish it was Goodison Park.
John Callan, Posted 13/03/2009 at 12:09:14
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When he eventually gave up on that, after no big club came in for him, he finally signed the bonanza contract and got to work again; with a third of the season in the toilet, he gets little old Everton playing football again... and pretty soon they?re all drolling! Moyes the maestro!!!
What I don?t get is how those all non-vibrant fans start a-buzzin when YOU happen to grace Goodison with your presence...!?! Bit egocentric, init?
It?s now seven years... at least he has overcome what seemed to be the perennial negative goal difference and moved us out of the lower half of the table. But when is the winning mentality going to produce a winning streak that wins the ultimate prize? ? A trophy? Watch this space...
Keep the faith? We sure need a helluva lot of that right now, with our squad of walking wounded, hoping against hope that we can scrape another win... and spouting the usual litany of excuses when we can?t.
I?m sorry but I ain?t relishing the prospect of watching yet another slugfest. You gotta really love this game to tell yourself that is entertainment of the highest quality. Who ya foolin??
This is what I know: I?m 30. I can really start to remember following Everton from about 6 or 7 years old (around 1984-85). So I never got to see the holy trinity or the Latchfords of this world. I grew up from another golden era that slowly declined to the 1989 FA Cup final. I don?t need to explain the next 10 years to you all...
Whilst by the end of the 1990s, I was making the most of the situation and deriving some sort of cruel pleasure from our relegation dog fights (I still get a chubby thinking about Barry Horne?s goal against Wimbledon!), but in the end, where am I happier to be? The answer is I would always take being in the Mickey Mouse Uefa Cup over a relegation fight every time.
I want the best for my team. I thought this is obvious. Yes the past couple of games have been scrappy, but surely the sign of a good team is that they still win even when they are playing badly. More to the point, I know this as well...
? We are not manure, chelski, rs or arsenal and personally I take great pride in that.
? We do not live on millionaire?s row, we are a working man?s team which is another source of great pride.
? Brazil don?t play like Brazil in every game, sometimes we play football that makes me cry into my beer, but that?s football, why do so many people wear rose tinted spectacles? Yes in an ideal world we would win every game 4-0, but is this an ideal world?
? As sit stands, at the time of writing this, when I watch the boys play, I don?t see anyone being carried by the rest of the team. I see a group of players that do go out there and give it their all. Yes, the first half against boro was tear-sheddingly shite but we came out and won the game... isn?t that what it?s about. (On this point I live in Thailand, but I heard the crowd in the 2nd half against Boro and that made the old hairs stand on end. That was a nice change from the start of the season!)
? We have a reasonable run in and (a small) chance of making inroads to a couple of teams above us.
? Liverpool will not win the title for another year.
? WE ARE EVERTON.
COYB BLUES!! Let?s do Stoke and then have another arguement about Moyes next week.
When he eventually gave up on that, after no big club came in for him, he finally signed the bonanza contract and got to work again; with a third of the season in the toilet,
That is if you believe some of the most impressively deluded individuals on these pages, who in their majority aren?t the most bright ones, for whom short term results or occurrences (3-4 games) are enough to judge and talk shite about the season, who cant see anything behind their nose, for whom injuries, suspensions, fatigue, small squads doesn?t matter; their vision and long term goals are close to Spurs ad Toon and so would have been Everton?s position but luckily enough they are not presiding over Everton?s fortune to be on the level of the before mentioned clubs.
I offered a bet at any amount that we would not be in relegation battle to every gloom and doom merchant but funny enough no one put his money where his mouth was. Furthermore I would ask all of the NSNO brigade, why are they not billionaires helping the team, after all you should be applying the motto in your personal live as well and please don?t start spouting the usual litany of excuses, when you clearly fail in this direction
I was about to respond to the naysayers but you have summed it up perfectly.
BUT apart from the Champions league football, UEFA cup run ( losing on lottery style penalties), establishing us a top 6 Premier league team, bringing in real quality footballers who understand the privilege of playing for Everton F.C, developing highly rated youth through the academy, an F.A Cup Semi Final at Wembley, re-establishing our pride and reputation, signing Mikel Arteta and generally further endearing us to the populist masses what has Davey Moyes ever done for us!
The facts are Moyes has turned the club around and steadied the ship, the club is moving forwars and progressing every season, from a relagation team to a Uefa cup team.
His next five year plan will be to break the top 4, if or when this happens progression will be expenential, when Moyes will be able to buy almost any players he wants, but most importantly there is a faith that he will bring in the right players.
This man is the best thing to happen to us in a long time and for ?supporters? in the past to have wanted rid just proves to me how fickle and kneejerk fans can be and these negative people should be ignored at all costs.
COYB
I can understand your view point, but there is a significant difference.
City had a shite squad when the money came in, and no stability regarding management and staff structures. In essence, they are trying to build on weak foundations. Too many changes in such a short period of time has brought a negative effect to the balance of that club. There seems to be a complete lack of vision, and direction. And Hughes seems to have hidden forces guiding his hand, which is always detrimental to the success of a football club.
Now compare that with our Club. We have taken this club to the brink of breaching the Sky 4. We have a firm foundation for investment, and a clever manager who can bring the best out of the majority of players that work with him. I truly believe even if Moyes had a kitty of 10 billion, he wouldnt just buy a new squad. He would remain cautious, and still bring in players that would fit into the team. Not just bring in big names.
Your comparison doesnt really hold any value, when you look at the respective situation of each club.
He still has foibles like the Yobo situation, I really hope that Hibbert is fit for the Semi-Final as Yobo/Lescott partnership, although having done ok, is not as commanding as Jags/Lescott.
With the news that the decision for Kirkby is unlikely to be made until Nov 2009, the chance of further investment is improbable for the near future. I do hope our friends from the Dark Side are not playing politics with the Gov?t and ensuring that they have started work on their new ground before we have approval for ours...
How we approach the rest of this season and the FA Cup in particular will determine how much Moyes has the talent to become an extraordinary manager. Will Moyes stay if offered a job with a club with the resources already available to them? I think so, but I wouldn?t risk putting any money on it.
However, subsequently Ben Jones has posted from that same IP address... I think it’s him playing silly buggers.
What do you want me to do with him now?
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