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Fellaini's aerial threat
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Pat Nevin makes an interesting point on the OS: http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/nevin-fellaini-is-best-in-world.html
With Fellaini's height and ability to win headers, if he can learn Cahill's trick of arriving late in the box in the right area, he could bag hatfuls of goals each season.
The only doubt I have is whether someone as noticeable as the Big Fella can arrive unnoticed like Tiny Tim. But we can always hope, after all he's got the right person to learn from!
Richard Parker, Posted 18/03/2009 at 06:36:59
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Perhaps the new Dunken Ferguson or even Dixie Dean...
Seriously though, he is already pretty decent in the air but if he can learn from Tim how to leap and about timing he could be unplayable.
He certainly has a lot of potential, and the people who generally know what they are talking about seem to have good things to say about him.
Obviously it is still early days and he won't be anywhere near his prime for at least another 5 years but he has definitely contributed and played a big part of this seaon both in league and cup. COYB!
Seriously though, he is already pretty decent in the air but if he can learn from Tim how to leap and about timing he could be unplayable.
He certainly has a lot of potential, and the people who generally know what they are talking about seem to have good things to say about him.
Obviously it is still early days and he won't be anywhere near his prime for at least another 5 years but he has definitely contributed and played a big part of this seaon both in league and cup. COYB!
I don?t get this ?learn? idea about leaping and heading. Either you can do it or not. Just because he?s tall doesn?t mean he should be able to do it, in the same way that because Tiny Tim is... tiny it would therefor suggest that he shouldn?t be able to.
It's like saying ?if Osman could be just a little more Maradona like?...
It's like saying ?if Osman could be just a little more Maradona like?...
Yes obviously it's easir said than done, with some players it's just natural and some things can't be taught but some things you can learn from. For example, when Maradona was at Napoli, a young Zola was coming through at the time and said he learnt a lot from the great man. Ok, Zola didn't become as good as Maradona but still a fantastic player in his own right.
It's debatable how much Zola learnt from Maradona and how much was natural ability, but I would like to think Zola would have improved a lot in all aspects of his game just by being able to play with Maradona everyday in training.
It's debatable how much Zola learnt from Maradona and how much was natural ability, but I would like to think Zola would have improved a lot in all aspects of his game just by being able to play with Maradona everyday in training.
Nevin is right in the sense that Fellaini has huge potential, now £13 mill is a lot to spend on potential, but I?ve said for a long time the only way to crack the top 4 in the long run is a youth policy, we can't compete for the top players so we have to take our chances on youngsters who may or may not become top players.
I?ve been pretty appalled at the criticsm leveled at Fellaini but, while people are entitled to their opinion I also believe football attracts more fans than any other sport who don't know much about their chosen sport. Fellaini is already important to the team, and I believe that importance will grow.
I?ve been pretty appalled at the criticsm leveled at Fellaini but, while people are entitled to their opinion I also believe football attracts more fans than any other sport who don't know much about their chosen sport. Fellaini is already important to the team, and I believe that importance will grow.
This stuff about Cahill arriving unnoticed is pure tosh. Watch a team defend a corner or free kick against us. Cahill gets marked tightly and pulled about just as much as anyone. Everyone knows about him and he’s not invisible. He gets goals because he has brilliant judgement of the flight of the ball and moves like shit off a shovel to get there first. Much as I like the big Fella I can’t see him learning this.
Nick Entwistle, of course he can ?learn? how to do it. Cahill didn't pop out of his mother and then all of a sudden learn to find space. If Fellaini works on his movement in the box with Cahill, he could very well get 10 goals a season with his head. I suppose it's that nature vs nurture argument of which I am very much on the side of Nurture.
Micky I am with you on this one. Cahill is always noticed, always! It?s just he is always first to react and understands the flight of the ball better than anyone. Its quite amaising sometimes.
As for the next Dixie Dean... we will have to wait until a scores a header from the half-way line before we can even compare!
On a final note, isn?t the Fella a defensive midfielder? I have always thought he was but figured his attacking play is better than most of our attacking players! A compliment second to none but I get the feeling it may stick... Similar to Rodwell come to think of it... both too good for their own good.
As for the next Dixie Dean... we will have to wait until a scores a header from the half-way line before we can even compare!
On a final note, isn?t the Fella a defensive midfielder? I have always thought he was but figured his attacking play is better than most of our attacking players! A compliment second to none but I get the feeling it may stick... Similar to Rodwell come to think of it... both too good for their own good.
Best in the world? I haven’t even read the article, but I can safely say:
Shouldn’t that title belong to someone who can keep his eyes open when heading the ball?
Shouldn’t that title belong to someone who can keep his eyes open when heading the ball?
I agree with Jeremy above... I also believe that a big part in beeing a good header is the ability to jump and to hold defenders off. Compare him with Ferguson and you will see the difference between a world class header of a ball and a decent one.
Jeremy: if you head the ball properly ? with your forehead ? your eyes must close. It's quite simply an unavoidable physical response, like a knee-jerk.
I remember Nevin saying that he hadn?t seen what Moyes had seen in Fellaini, and now it's getting clearer to him. I think we should all follow this example and be pleased for what the Big Fella is doing already and believe that it can get much better.
I remember Nevin saying that he hadn?t seen what Moyes had seen in Fellaini, and now it's getting clearer to him. I think we should all follow this example and be pleased for what the Big Fella is doing already and believe that it can get much better.
The big fella is not a defensive midfielder, Moyes bought him as a box to box midfielder. Personally I prefer him in the Cahill role of just off the front man. And Cahill playing alongside Neville whilst Arteta is injured. Also I cannot understand these comments about no skill, utter rubbish this guy will get better and better and as someone said earlier will be very hard to play against.
Fellaini and Cahill are completely two different types of players. I would even add Fellaini is more cosmopolitan of the two and comfortable with ball at feet.
Nevin should stick to commentary on Chelsea.
Nevin should stick to commentary on Chelsea.
Keith.
The time/photo I was referring to, Fellaini didn't even get his head on the ball (about 2 ft out as I remember). So why where his eyes closed then?
Sneezing, maybe?
The time/photo I was referring to, Fellaini didn't even get his head on the ball (about 2 ft out as I remember). So why where his eyes closed then?
Sneezing, maybe?
"Oh, he?s tall! Just think if he could be like our best header, Cahill ... wouldn?t that be good?" ? Bollocks and Drivel.
Fellaini is decent in the air, he is also an ongoing work, the stick he was getting a few weeks ago was terrible, a few weeks before that the praise was unwarranted, a few months before that, overpriced crap. Give him time ffs.
Interesting the way the official site interpret Pat?s words.... Pat says: Fellaini could be one of the best In Europe if he improves in a whole range of areas...
Official Sites Headline: Fellaini IS best IN WORLD. Could a player learn to arrive like Cahill? I DOUBT IT.
Official Sites Headline: Fellaini IS best IN WORLD. Could a player learn to arrive like Cahill? I DOUBT IT.
If Hibbert could cross like Baines, who could tackle like Jagielka, who could score like Lescott, who could pass like Arteta, who could tackle like Neville, who could dribble like Pienaar, who could make runs like Saha, who link play like Osman, who could get stuck in like Felliani, who could head like Cahill, who could tackle like Hibbert... then we may get somewhere.
The headline is hilarious... one of the most mis-leading ones I have seen in a while.
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Mo needs to stay in the box where he?s a handful and let Tim do the late work.