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The paucity of the squad is beginning to show as well as the lack of quality in certain positions. We are also showing tiredness in too many positions and this is down to such a small squad and that's the responsibility of the manager.
Osman was a complete nonentity yet again - how many times does he have to perform so badly and still keep his place? I've asked this question dozens of times, will those who think he deserves a place in the squad tell me his last good game? Gosling is far from the finished article but surely he offers more? In fact as long as he does one good thing it will be more than Osman!!
I thought Howard looks more and more nervous and is a real liability on crosses. He doesn't command the box and whilst he's not poor you don't feel that comfortable when we are put under pressure. However, the real problem is in midfield, the lack of an ability to keep possession and pass the ball is striking. Blaming Jo or Saha is wrong, the problems lie in midfield.
When was the last pass of quality to a forward?
When did the midfield actually create a goal?
And just what is Moyes' game plan with Fellaini?
Is he a third forward?
Is he a midfield player and if so, what's his role?
Neville seems to be the only one who has a role and sticks to it. Pienaar puts a lot of effort in but his end product is poor.
We have scored more goals than anyone from headers and that tells you one obvious thing ? set pieces, long balls and general hoofs are what we look for. Our game plan does not involve playing the ball to feet or trying to create space its far more one dimensional ? get the ball in the box to the 'big un' whether that?s Fellaini or Cahill when fit, it's our only game plan.
Today might only be the second defeat in a long time and this doesn't mean the comments are some form of panic, it's more a case of a sad reflection that at the business end of the season, when quality is needed to overcome teams who will scrap and battle more than they have ever done, we don?t have the quality that will set us apart. These teams are now scrapping as hard as us so our early ?team spirit? advantage is now cancelled out. Yes, Moyes has few options, but who?s fault is that? 1 quality footballer (Arteta) in the squad is indicative of the style of play that he wants.
Jim Hourigan, Posted 21/03/2009 at 13:22:26
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Pretty sickening to see another Evertonian blasting Moyes after how well he’s done again this season, irrelevant of how poor we were today.
Although the manner of the defeat is frustrating as it was totally avoidable especially the second goal. They?ve got that lanky streak of piss and that?s all, we have two small FB?s so they lump it into the box. Simple but effective and you know it?s coming so what happened on the corner? The plank does a jiggly run totally unecessary as it turned out because there was no defender to try and lose (yes you Lescott!!!) and then he has a tantrum and it?s down to him not challenging. Fucking unbelievable!!!!!
I fear another slide towards the end of the season and seventh if we?re lucky and the real possibility of missing out on europe altogether as a result.
We have no weight in midfield and creating nothing up front especially away from home.
Unfortunately as we all kmow Moyes?s options are so low and now another possible injury to Jo, so the last thing we need is to give away needless fucking goals which will lose us games as evidenced today.
To be honest Lescott looked like the Lescott of earlier this season and Howard just doesn?t inspire me with any confidence either. Why did he paddle the ball round the post? Fuck knows but we paid for it!
God help us in the semi-final!
Although the manner of the defeat is frustrating, as it was totally avoidable especially the second goal. They?ve got that lanky streak of piss and that?s all; we have two small FB?s so they lump it into the box. Simple but effective and you know it?s coming so what happened on the corner? The plank does a jiggly run totally unnecessary as it turned out because there was no defender to try and lose (yes, you Lescott!!!) and then he has a tantrum and it?s down to him not challenging. Fucking unbelievable!!!!!
I fear another slide towards the end of the season and seventh if we?re lucky and the real possibility of missing out on Europe altogether as a result.
We have no weight in midfield and creating nothing up front especially away from home. Unfortunately as we all know Moyes?s options are so low and now another possible injury to Jo, so the last thing we need is to give away needless fucking goals which will lose us games as evidenced today.
To be honest, Lescott looked like the Lescott of earlier this season and Howard just doesn?t inspire me with any confidence either. Why did he paddle the ball round the post?Fuck knows but we paid for it!
God help us in the semi-final!
Our luck finally ran out. Simple as that.
Just how bad is VDM if he can't get in this squad? This has been a bad weekend so far and all the results have gone redshites way.
In October, I would have bit my arm off to be comfortably 6th at this stage and a semi-final to look forward to.
I do feel that if we are to progress any further then this summer we have to start building on our squad, we can?t keep punching above our weight season after season and I fear that if the investment is not found soon we will soon find ourselves slipping back.
Come on Bill find some funds and start pushing next year from a top 6 to a top 4 team........
What I cannot understand is why is the team shit, the manager defensive / no Plan B, every time we loose? They lost on the road to Pompey who have some decent players.. Isnt is possible that players like Osman, Pienaar, Lescott, Neville, Jags could be tired and hence made mistakes. Maybe the end-season Moyes Syndrome is simply tired players because we have a small squad.. Why do we as fans idolize players one week and blast them the next?
It's now up to the team in the next 2 weeks to pick themselves back up. Cahill was the biggest miss today, he wouldn't have been bullied like the rest of the team were.
I have said many times that every season the toll of injuries, suspensions and fatigue drags our valiant squad down... just look at the stats!! If we do not get a REAL investor, we will struggle and that is apparent to every supporter who doesn?t wear blue-tinted glasses. The last few games have been won by sheer effort and, until we get investment, that's the best we can expect.
To be completely honest, I have never really rated the guy from the start. I think he gets beat far too often from distance, he seems to make the defenders around him nervous and he seems to have zero presence in the six yard box. If that had been Big Nev today he wouldve went right through Kanu to get at that cross.
I know people will point to the clean sheets kept this season but I think they are in spite of him, not because of him. IMO, we wouldve won at Anfield in the cup if it wasnt for Howard, dodgy again against Boro, and again today. These are just examples off the top of my head from recent games.
He does to be fair pull some good saves out of the bag, but the law of averages means hes always gonna make a few. Unfortunately, goalies are remembered for the mistakes they make (just ask David James), and I for one, feel Tim makes too many.
We are still a work in progress with a lot of positives to our game.
The team has been awesome considering the injuries and poor start and fourth is highly unrealistic considering Arsenal’s resources.
Even Chelsea & Manchester United lose to the also-rans once in awhile (which is promising for the semi-final), so today was a bad day in the office? bring on the next game.
It?s not how you start it?s how you finish. Europa qualification and an FA cup final is all I care about now!
I realise the bench is full of kids but with injury time remaining why we don't throw an attacker on for the injured Jo i will never know. Baxter may not be ready but still more likely to score than Rodwell.
As for the overall shape of the team, if we begin next season with Osman in the starting line up we will not have moved on one bit. Never has a lightweight player done so little yet never got dropped or substituted during a game. A good pass or cross or shot is what I would expect from a so called creative player: he offers nothing and is blown off the ball too easily.
Do we really care about Europes 2nd competition next year?... it's a waste of time and resources, and could pull us into a relegation fight, the only benefit is a piss-up abroad for the fans.
We are nowhere near ready for the Champions League so we?re caught in limbo until we get investment. This year is as good as it's going to get for now. It would be fantastic if we could go further in the cup, but if the redshite win anything my summer will be totally ruined aka 2005!
We can all harp on about our small squad and lack of finances but we took the lead today and we should have been able to see the game out. Perhaps some of the team are believing their own hype.
We should now be scrapping for every point going, win ugly. Points are all that matter, I couldn?t give a shit if it?s by hoofing the ball and kicking the shit out of the opposition.
Howard at fault for 2nd goal, what the hell was he doing, and Jacobsen did well to get out of the way in time to allow it to go in. Jo and Saha invisible. Why did Moyes go 4-4-2? 4-5-1 given our squad was surely the way to go.
4th place has gone, pipping the Villa to 5th and winning the cup are the remaining goals. We can't do either without our man Tiny Tim.
The Semi is looking promising. No Rooney or Scholes and the possibility of jet-lagged United players focusing on Premiership glory might work in our favour.
Losing today is definitely a blow but come the end of the season I think we could be smiling. COYB!
What is equally worrying, is the thought that we might yet again be entering the twilight zone of the season with DM. Has happened every season but one since he arrived. Could be tiredness, could be something more. But we can't be short of motvation or inspiration with a Champions League place and Wembley final to play for.
The loss of Arteta, and especially an Arteta in such inspiring form, has done us in. There is seemingly nobody with sufficient guile to get the best out of forwards as good as Saha and Jo. So I don?t see the aesthetics improving before end of season, but had expected us not to screw up as we seemed to do today. We haven?t conceded more than 1 goal in a game for best part of 30 games. So that?s how bad it was.
But hey, ManU lost again. Chelsea also showed their limitations. It?s not the end of the world, but it gives us more mountain to climb and less rope to do it with. Arsenal have just taken the lead at Newcastle too, so chances of overhauling 7 points from Arsenal in 8 games are close to non existent.
So it?s all about 5th and the cup. That leaves many Evertonians disappointed. How many years ago was it when the thought of finishing 5th and getting to the cup final would have been like winning the lottery.
Fuck! Newcastle have just equalised - come on you bastards, you owe us a favour after what happened a few weeks ago.
Funny old game.
Do us a favour, David: get shut of this very poor player asap. He has been walking around the place feeling down because of this and that, my feeling is he knows he ain't up to Premier League standard, simple as.
Yes, we are having a better season than I thought we would have, but until we win every game and every competition, there's always room for improvement and on these pages we disucss that. Nothing satifies if not the best. 2-1 to relegation fodder is not good enough and some of us like to make this known here. Pipe down and write somet worth reading. Or save your energy typing anything at all.
5th place and winning the cup, and I?ll be in heaven. But we are Everton, and losing 6 points to Pompey is a disgrace.
Isen’t that the idea of a site like this, that fans can come on and give their view’s on why they thought we we’re shite today?
There were two teams out there today and one of them was fighting for its life in front of its own fans. Sometimes teams in that position get the result. But for one mistake from the ref, we?d have come home with a point from a scrappy game without our best players and with a bench full of players who haven?t started shaving yet. Shit happens.
Another game where we do not have one shot on goal in the second half ? sorry, except for the ?shot? from Jo....
And don?t get me going with the subs and the timing. We are a goal down and a midfielder comes on. Just when I think Moyes has cracked, it we get a game like today. Bet hey this is Everton and after 50 years, nothing changers.
None of them accept responsibility.
I didn't think we were any worse than Pompey today despite the number of first choice players being out and a number of those playing carrying knocks. We had to play 4-4-2 because of the injury situation and I?m absolutely certain that we would have won had Cahill been fit.
Now I dont decry anyone their opinion and it is hard to take when we lose but let?s have a bit of balance here, we?ve achieved miracles this year so let's try and end the season with a bit of encouragement and hope we can carry the momentum and a few new signings into next season.
We are down to our bollocks and will see the same until we can get bodies back from injuries.
Blame Moyes, yes and no, nothing else he could have done.
If the Everton Board of Directors hasn?t got the money to give to him then what is he expected to do? He can't bring in loads of quality players in for fuck all, can he? ? or keep getting rid of half decent players to make the funds up, aye can he now (Johnson)!!!
I just don't agree with some of your post at all, Jim. Yeh we lost today, only our second defeat in 19 is it, but we're still sat in 6th position looking pretty good for Europe if you ask me and thats a great achievement considering the start we had at the begining of the season and that we?ve had key player after key player get injured along the way.
We keep getting hurdles thrown in front of us but yet we keep on getting over ?em: the bad start to season, out of the Uefa Cup, out of the Carling Cup, the injuries one after another... but yet we still kick on and get results with a squad as thin as ours.
You should be proud of the teams and Moyes?s achievements this season, not slating ?em after one defeat. We need to get behind ?em more than ever now to push ?em on to finish off this good season were having, not get on their backs after one fucking defeat ? no matter how bad it was today!!!!!
We weren?t massively worse than them, we didn?t get battered, we did exactly the same as we have done most of the season and in truth for most of the last 3 years ? we played poor football, showing little or no creativity and imagination, and had a midfield that is generally ineffective (without Arteta).
If coming 6th is your expectation then we are different, I want more but am honest enough to realise (perhaps its my age having watched footie for 40+ years), that you will never ever win anything on a sustained level without the basic ability to play football i.e. control and pass the ball on the deck.
Is that in Moyes?s makeup? Is that the way he sets out teams to play? We may not have the massive money of the 3 of the Sky 4 but what do Arsenal do? They preach football, they groom youngsters to do that, they only select players who can pass and they do it without massive injections of cash.
Wenger and his coaching staff look for footballers first and foremost ? that?s the model I want ? those are my expectations. Why were we called the school of Science? precisely because of those principles ? now we?re ?Bog Standard Secondary School? in Average Row managed by Mr NoImagination.
I was going back to London with the Pompey fans and it was really interesting to hear them talk to one another. They were saying that this Everton side is just a couple of players short of being an amazing side that can challenge the big 4. These people were made up they?d beaten us. I?ve done the trip over the last couple of years and I can tell you this is different to what I?ve heard in the past. Before we were nothing but now we?re something.
I want us to win the league and I expect us to challenge but not just now. The rebuilding of the club is a long process. The first stage was to stabilise us and make us safe. It was then to replace the older players with younger hungrier ones. Then we need the quality players to take us on. The problem is the first two stages could be done for little money. Quality players cost big money and it?s a fact that we don?t have that. This adjusts my expectations. I would rather be the best of the rest than be like Leeds fans are now. "It was only X years since we were in the Champions League!"
I am entirely grateful to Moyes that I can have these discussions with Everton fans. It shows he?s done his job with us. He wanted to raise our expectations and he has done exactly that!
Some people will never be happy though!
All those Moyes slaters, I ask you ? how would Liverpool cope without Gerrard, Torres and Carragher? Arsenal without van Persie, Fabregas and Adebayor? Chelsea without Lampard, Terry and Drogba? Villa without Young, Agbongalor and Barry? The answer is they would ALL struggle. Only Man U have a squad to deal with such injuries to key players.
Personally I don't agree with the team Moyes picked yesterday but I believe he is by far the best manager we could possibly have and I personally would not want anyone else to manage our team. Everyone is entitled to their opinions I agree but I just don't understand the lack of appreciation of Moyes from certain people. He has a net spend of something like £24m over seven years and we are generally regarded as one of the ?best of the rest? outside the sky 4. In my opinion he is as close to a miracle worker as you could have.
We lost ONE game, and it was bound to happen sometime, because of the amount of injuries we have had. And that’s all!!
- James ? England goalie
- Campbell, Distin, Johnson, Hreidarsson ? experienced defence.
- Sean Davis and Kranjcar in midfield ? both players who have interested us.
- Crouch, who on his day can be dangerous, yesterday, had one of those games.
- Nugent has a massive point to prove and ran his legs off.
Give the boys a bit of slack. It was one game too many before the international break. And as said above, at least Cahill may stay at home and recover fully, rather than travelling half way around the world.
Also, we have a semi at Wembley looming and anyone who has played any level of footie, knows that you can try and switch off but that tackle you would normally go into 100%, only gets 90%. No-one wants to get injued now, especially those who have slogged their way through this far.
4th was only ever an outside chance after our start. Arsenal have all their players returning and the weather(!) and are starting to play their quick passing game again.
Having a full team available (with what we have left), for the semi, has to be our priority, along with finishing 6th, minimum. (It would be great to finish above Villa though.)
And before anyone says that lacks ambition, it does not. It is being realistic at this stage of the season, with the injuries we have. Moyes and this team need to win a trophy to move on to the next level. It will make them stronger mentality but also instill the belief that they are a good team, capable of winning trophies.
We need to forget this one now and not get bogged down in negativity. We have bigger fish to fry, just around the corner.
COYB
Pienaar runs a lot but his finished product is slipshod and he really can?t score. Osman has had his moments but not many and he is a DM pet so will always be picked unless he is injured. Fellaini was a costly buy but so far a rough diamond which isn?t helping but will keep his place because of the fee.
Sure it may be better to play the youngsters and why not? Could they do any worse? No... but it?s DM?s call and we have to live with that for the time being until someone buys the club and gives the money to compete in the big market. Despite this, Everton have done well and ? as I said two weeks ago ? we will stumble occasionally just like yesterday until we can eradicate the weak links.


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