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Where are you Shandy...???

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All season, we have had players playing out of their natural position, sometimes with great success (Tiny Tim) and sometimes not (right back Jags)... But only now, when we have two proven centre-forwards (fuck what Man City says, he will do for me). we have no-one to provide the service...

Wrong, we have Shandy Andy!

What have we got to lose? 6th place is almost ours so if we really want 4th this is the man to provide it. Osman is no winger ? we all know this ? so before we ALL question this boys ability,even though he is blue through and through, take him out of teh side, Davey, and give us what we all want...

Andy van der Meyde.

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Steven Duffin, farnborough,hants     Posted 24/03/2009 at 16:12:24

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Terry Smith
1   Posted 24/03/2009 at 20:40:05

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I have been saying this the past couple of weeks and when he has come on he has done well enough. But I think the fact is Moyes does not like him nor want him and will only throw him on as a very last resort. He will be out the door in the summer.
Graham Nolan
2   Posted 24/03/2009 at 20:56:35

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Sweet Heart of Jesus, will people stop going on about AvdM!!! It really makes my blood boil! He is a waste of space & talent. he has no pace & would quickly be found out in The Premier League.

If you think we have nothing to lose you are wrong. He is fat, slow and offers absolutely nothing defensively. What really pisses me off is that people forget what a drain on the club he is. If Everton were a cow he would be the parasitic flea feeding off it (to the tune of 30 grand a week). I cannot wait till we get shot of this charlatan. Oh & by the way he has a hamstring injury anyway... big surprise there!

Gareth Prytherch
3   Posted 24/03/2009 at 21:19:24

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He’s injured again!!!!
Andy Morden
4   Posted 24/03/2009 at 21:51:05

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In the pub. Simple really...
Jason Wilton
5   Posted 24/03/2009 at 21:57:48

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If he were any sort of man he would "do a Saha" and offer to be paid as he played.

He has fecking milked us dry and single-handedly taken the hard earned off about 1000 everton fans every week for 3 years - HE OWES US!
Robert Pierpoint
6   Posted 24/03/2009 at 22:00:04

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I can understand why many fans still call for Van der Meyde, indeed Osman is playing poorly and I believe is looking rather leggy and jaded at the moment. However, I believe that even when fit there are perhaps clauses in the contract of Van der Meyde, (perhaps a substantial appearance fee) which prevent Moyes from using him, or just leaving him on the bench. After all, I can only remember him coming on in the matches against Villa and Liverpool, when we literally had to go for broke.
Dick Fearon
7   Posted 24/03/2009 at 21:59:47

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Graham Nolan, I agree with everything you said. AvdM should have been sacked and sued when he first abrogated his contract. I hope the club learned something from this embarrassing, shameful disgusting excersise.

This disgrace of a human being should be run out of town. Wanting him picked shows little pride in themselves or the shirt.

Tony Marsh
8   Posted 24/03/2009 at 22:13:56

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When I was a guest of the sponsors at the Stoke City game I nearly pissed myself laughing when we were shown around the Everton changing room. I bet none of you know that Shandy Andy has 5 pairs of boots laid out for every game ? 5 fucking pairs!!!

Like I said on the day, the cushiest job at EFC is the cleaning Shandies boots job. Spotless they were.
Steven Duffin
9   Posted 24/03/2009 at 22:21:55

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To be honest I couldn?t give a fuck if Moyes personally drives the little shit back to Holland at the end of the season, but when your bench is being warmed by kids and Castillo, who has hardly set the world alight since arriving, then maybe Andy is a better option.....Wait, I know ? let's play someone out of their position so they play complete wank, then I might have something to complain about come Monday....
Ray Robinson
10   Posted 24/03/2009 at 22:26:02

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Given that VDM has had well documented issues with his daughter’s health, I’m not going to pass judgement on him for his behaviour. My bet is that he’s more than likely a genuine guy, albeit bedevilled with personal problems. However, what I can’t understand is people constantly going on about him like he’s a potential saviour - and that’s for two separate reasons. Firstly, in all his games, I’ve only ever seen him put two decent crosses in - one when Beattie scored against ’Boro and the other in the Derby FA Cup match. That’s the sum total of his footballing contribution to EFC in my eyes.

Secondly, for someone who has been out of the PL for so long, what makes anyone think he could ever contribute more than a cameo appearance? Better players than him, Saha for instance, struggle to make an impact after being out of the game for so long. Will Yakubu necessarily be the same player after so long out, for instance?

No, the sooner people stop being seduced by the foreign name and thinking that it must necessarily make him a fantastic player, the better. It’s like the mentality that says a player’s Brazilian, so he must be good. Oh, that’s a separate thread ......!
Dick Fearon
11   Posted 24/03/2009 at 22:57:43

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Steve Duffin, I did not expect to have my words poved so quickly. Thank you ever so much.
Andy Brittenden
12   Posted 24/03/2009 at 23:00:33

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Usless waste of space ..... drain on our resources ..... alcoholic ... one good cross .... BLAH BLAH FUCKING BLAH!!!

I tell you what chaps, why don?t we NOT try something different week-in, week-out. Why don?t we keep playing Osman on the right where he doesn?t like to play and isn?t really that effective and then NOT sub him even though he?s absolutely fucked as he clearly has been over the last few weeks cos that?ll win the FA cup for us and get us into the Champions League won?t it? eh?

One cross is all it fucking takes boys. I fully accept that Andy hasn?t endeared himself to the fans but he is an EMPLOYEE and as such it?s BAD management to leave an employee doing nothing week-in, week-out. Look at all the bullshit on here about Jacobsen. I read all the ?Moyes knows the players better than you, if he?s not playing then he can?t be any good? bullshit but he did okay on Saturday didn?t he?

Let's use these players to get where we wanna be at the end of the season because if all goes well we may end up in a position where we can fuck them off and get someone better, can?t we.
Graham Nolan
13   Posted 24/03/2009 at 23:25:20

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To repeat, AvdM is injured so this whole debate is pointless. He cannot play instead of Osman or anybody else because he is injured, as he has been for the majority of his time at Everton. As piss poor as Osman has been this season I would have him over the fat dutchman every day of the week!
Chris Mac
14   Posted 25/03/2009 at 02:10:03

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I don?t owe ADVM anything, I?ve read all of your comments and see good merits in both sides. However, I have to agree that AVDM is an employee and asset of the club and as such must be utilised. I?m sorry but he IS and has always been a very talented player. Forget his (extremely unfortunate) problems with his poor daughter (which would mess with ANYONE'S mental state).

We must try something new in games, Ossie is playing very poorly and Gosling is still learning. We need some creativity, especially with Mikel injured. If he played 5 or 6 matches, got match fit and played out of his skin, you would ALL forgive him.

I agree that the lad has been a drain on the club and has wasted a fantastic opportunity to ?find a good home for himself? but we?re paying him... so use him!

And just for the record, my lads at the EFC academy, I?m there 4 times a week. ADVM is injured and when he first came here he was living the party lifestyle but, since the problems with his daughter, the staff at the Academy have ALL told me how he has been pounding the gym every day for months, ripping it up in training and on his best behaviour. I think he deserves a chance, in fact it's not even that... he?s a quality player, so let's use him.

We all know when Moyesie doesn't like you, it's hard to get back in his good books, but I think he might just give us an extra edge.

Let the abuse begin, come on boys... I?m ready.

Andy Brittenden
15   Posted 25/03/2009 at 04:48:27

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Graham Nolan,

Yes you are right, he is CURRENTLY injured but the argument is that he has been around on a number of games this season where he COULD have been used. He COULD have made a difference in some of them. As I said before, it only takes one good cross, as it did in the Derby.

And I?m not saying that he should replace Osman in the starting line-up... simply that there is a valid case for using him on the right hand side, even if it is only for 20 minutes a game because, if you follow your philosophy, a ?piss poor? Osman (or any other player for that matter) could soon turn into a ?burnt out injured? one!
Vishal Poorundersingh
16   Posted 25/03/2009 at 08:00:24

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He is the best winger available in our club, and he should be given opportunities to prove it. He will surely do coz he knows that he owes the club a lot.
Steve Linden
17   Posted 25/03/2009 at 09:26:22

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The comment earlier is correct. He’s injured again.
Kevin Spencer
18   Posted 25/03/2009 at 08:39:06

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I agree that AvdM should be given the chance. I also think that he doesn?t owe the club. Just think about it... He has been available for so long a time but still he doesn?t get the chance. Moyes owe him and that's the end of it.

Moyes didn?t owe Krøldrup anything, ?cause he was crap. But AvdM has always played well, when given the opurtunity. I can?t believe why fans on this forum constantly pick on him, just for not beeing selected. That?s exactly the reason.

I call it "The Springfield mentality". Everyone who has seen the Simpsons knows what I mean. It starts with a lynchmob chasing one person down the streets. Then all of a sudden, one person stops and says a few nice words, and there you go... everybody loves him again.

Now Moyes is the one that is making you all run riot about VdM just for beeing left out of the team. And everyone is making up excuses for Moyes as the Dutchman is not playing, him being slow, fat, drunk and blah blah blah...

I tell you who is slow. Osman is slow, Pienaar is slow, Arteta is slow, and Fellaini is so damn slow, his own grandmother would outrun him on the field. The whole team is slow for gods sake.

AvdM fat?? I tell you who is fat. Yakubu is FAT! And he is also slow... oh and did I mention, he is injured too? That would surely awake the Springfiled mentality in some of you I suppose.

AvdM drunk?? How many of you can honestly say that you have met the Dutchman at the pub, laying on the floor with a bottle of booze in the hand? None of you, I suppose. And that is very very strange, cause when reading this forum I get the feeling that Shandy Andy is not doing anything but drinking at the pubs. I wonder where his secret pub is?

VdM doesn?t make enough good crosses... as one of you pointed out. One against Boro and one against Liverpool. Yeah... so what? He has hardly played between those games!! Not even Arteta has made two good crosses during that time, and he has played almost every game.

And the one player that is actually a big waste of space is Anichebe. Not only for being useless on the field, but also for being a complete dork. "Hmm ehhh, the cops did stop me outside a jeweller store. They must be racists." A couple of weeks earlier everyone hated him. Then he played one good game against Newcastle, he got injured, got harassed by the cops... and then everyone loves him again. Springfield mentality hehe....

Oh by the way, I said back then that I found his comment about the racist cops, stupid. And most of the readers went berserk and started screaming about hatred here and hatered there. Very funny, I must say... ?cause when almost everyone screamed about how "hatred has no place in football", there were threads on this forum about "What player do you hate most", "What team do you hate most", "What manager do you hate most". This is hillarious... Springfield anyone???

Tony Williams
19   Posted 25/03/2009 at 10:00:07

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Thank fuck all this useless talk about Shandy Andy finally proving his worth will end this summer when the free-loading injury-plagued waste of space will get kicked to the kerb.

Forget about him, he will never play again for us, maybe at Fulham for his goodbye, if he can become fit again by then ? I am not holding my breath.

Tony, were all five pairs brand spankers having not been used?
Kevin Tully
20   Posted 25/03/2009 at 10:01:35

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I reckon we should double his wages just for helping beat the RS with that cross. Giving it to them in the last two minutes of extra time of a cup game = Priceless!
Sam Morrison
21   Posted 25/03/2009 at 09:59:31

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Kevin Spencer, you make a salient point about mob mentality (the term existed before The Simpsons) in going after players but slightly undermine it by slagging off the whole team. Regarding Anichebe, as you well know saying you ?hate? something in football isn?t the same as racial hatred, or even just taking someone?s crutches away because they?re window shopping. You?re comparing two completely different things.
Tony Waring
22   Posted 25/03/2009 at 10:18:59

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I think it?s pathetic to be slagging off AvdM. The current injury and earlier problems aside, when has he had a chance to prove himself? How can he be expected to perform to the highest standards when he isn?t given the opportunity and even then he would need to gain match fitness ? not a 10-minute cameo exercise. Get real you critics.

As someone remarked on this post, how many decent crosses have we seen from other players this season?... I haven?t counted off all the fingers on one hand yet! He was bought because DM saw something good in him ? I presume... so why does he not get the chance to prove himself on the pitch?

He has apparently surmounted the problems of a very sick child, which is enough for anyone to contend with. Give him a break; he?s a blue and so are all his adverse critics I assume.

Joeynkoo Ludden
23   Posted 25/03/2009 at 10:27:46

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Giving AvdM a go and about time, a sane but debatable proposal. Going after 4th place still after Saturday, now that's pure crazy talk.

Shandy has proven ability. He just hasn't had the chance to prove it with us, in part due to injury, in part due to Moyes's reluctance to play him. So how do we attribute blame for this one?? 50:50 between the 2 of them? Ok, but that's suggesting somehow Shandy being injured is his own fault. When he?s had a chance in the team, he?s had an impact. What more can the fella do...
Paul Gladwell
24   Posted 25/03/2009 at 10:33:45

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Tony, yes, he has had problems with his little child and had the total backing of the whole club ? he could of been sacked but he was not ? and how does he thank his manager? Everyone in this area of ours knows how and so does a mate of mine who met him not too long ago; he should be kissing Moyes?s feet.

You would think he would have a bit about him in repaying the club but a leopard does not change his spots, he was the same In Italy too and Moyes should've known this as it has cost us a fortune.

Kevin Spencer
25   Posted 25/03/2009 at 10:19:36

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Just because I was saying they were slow and that Yakubu was fat, doesn?t mean I was slagging off the whole team. You can be fat and slow and still be playing on the highest level. Look at Liverpool during the 80s and 90s when they had Jan Molby in the team. I suppose he is by far the fattest player to ever grace a Premier League turf. But he still played on the highest level.

By saying this, I mean that Shandy Andy ? who is by no means FAT and also WAY faster than most of our first team players ? can?t be automaticly slagged off just because Moyes doesn?t fancy him. Even if I don?t think he is an alcoholic, that is not enough for not giving him the chance.

Correct me if I am wrong but Duncan Ferguson was caught drink-driving the day before he scored his first goal against Liverpool in 94. Paul Gascoigne, Tony Adams, George Best are just a couple of players that can fit that category.... But not AvdM.

Sam Morrison said that "to hate something in football isn?t the same as racial hatred." Do you honestly think that the policemen were racist? The Merseyside police doesn?t even accept BNP members to be cops. So Anichebe thought..."Hmmm.... these two must have slipped by".

It?s laughable really. It makes the thought even more laughable when people say that it is "racism" to stop Anichebe from "Window shopping" (it?s their job for god's sake) but it is perfectly normal to hate 30 individuals just because they have the wrong colour of the SHIRT. These days I believe it?s more dangerous to sit in the Gwladys Street booing John Barnes (if he was still playing), than booing our own Tony Hibbert.

Sam Morrison
26   Posted 25/03/2009 at 11:24:48

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Kev, I didn?t make a judgement on the police, I just said it?s two different types of hatred. If I say I ?hate? Chelsea, I don?t mean the type of hatred that makes you geniunely deranged. I don?t know if the police were racist or not because I wasn?t there, but I do know stopping people from window shopping isn?t "their job".

Agreed you can be fat and good. Mickey Quinn banged a few goals in and he was a tubster.
Byron Roberts
27   Posted 25/03/2009 at 12:34:03

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Kevin Spencer - your assertation that because the Merseyside Police don?t employ BNP members there, can?t be any racist policemen is quite frankly one of the most clueless things I?ve ever read.

I would try to explain why but it seems that you probably struggle to understand the concept of real life so I won?t waste my time.
John Crook
28   Posted 25/03/2009 at 13:51:54

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One thing for sure is that AVDM knows how to cross a ball. I personaly think he is worth the gamble of at least 20-30 mins off the bench. If you have players with the aerial presence of Saha, Jo, Cahill and Fellaini challenging for quality crosses, it is going to yield goals.

Osman's delivery can be quite poor from the right. Pienaar's is better but nowhere near as good as Arteta?s so I say take the gamble on AVDM. He has showed ability in the past so it must be still in his locker somewhere. If he can get fit and make an impact, he might be worth one more year.

I just don't see how the blues can go out and buy a quality winger which they need. Downing will be about £12M at least ? even if Boro go down.

El-Ray Jackson
29   Posted 25/03/2009 at 13:57:13

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I?m a racist police officer but I got away with it becuase I never ticked the "Are You a Racist Box" on the application form, hehehe, I?m sooo clever like Kevin Spencer.
Ciarán MacGiolla Eoin
30   Posted 25/03/2009 at 15:27:39

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What a bizzarre thread...

The basis of football is simple ? drop those players who are not performing and replace them with the appropriate player from the bench... Moyes does not accept this simple premise.

Osman, Pienaar and others are evidently not in the team on merit... otherwise, VDM would have been given some playing time when he was on the bench. Something else keeps players like Osman in the team.

Everybody wants to blame VDM, and he obviously must be accountable for his own behaviour... but he performed exactly the same routine at Inter (why do you think we got him for a pittance!)... and yet we still brought him here.

So, who?s really to blame?
Tony Marsh
31   Posted 25/03/2009 at 17:20:30

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Andy's problems at Everton are well documented and mostly self-inflicted. The company he keeps away from football is not what you would normally expect from a PL football player.

Drink, drugs and pregnant Lap dancers are all high on the agenda but that doesn't mean he can't be given a final chance. Seeing as we are short on numbers and paying the lad £30k a week, and some of our current crop are shite, give him another go. Surely he can't be any worse than waste-of-space Osman can he?
Dave Wilson
32   Posted 25/03/2009 at 17:20:37

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Pienaar isn't in the team on merit?
Ray Robinson
33   Posted 25/03/2009 at 19:30:09

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Am I missing the point? AVdM was given a chance several years ago and, as far as I can recall, contributed diddly squat. Now, several years later, despite lack of games, fitness and match practice, he can become our saviour? Anyone who saw his short cameo in the Cup Derby will realise that speedwise, he doesn’t cut it any more.

So, if you want a change from Osman et al, why not play a youngster? Baxter anyone?
Gavin Ramejkis
34   Posted 26/03/2009 at 00:29:41

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Shandy is playing in his natural position ? propping up a bar somewhere earning a great wage for doing fuck all, a talent he has years of experience from every club he has ever been on the books for. (I won?t say play as he?s not even completed 90 mins for Everton yet.)
Gavin Ramejkis
35   Posted 26/03/2009 at 00:33:48

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Ciaran the trouble with your "simple premise" of replacing like for like from the bench is that Everton have a bench manned by kids there simply to make up the numbers as we have no squad ?something that hasn?t suddenly happened but which has dwindled to less and less over the last few years.
Paul Gladwell
36   Posted 26/03/2009 at 22:17:38

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So right Ciaran, considering Moyes spent months dawdling and questioning everyone about Nigel Martin, a proven first class pro, you would think he would of done his homework on Shandy as the lad had the same problems over in Italy.

Joeynkoo, booze, drugs and athletes don't mix end of, it weakens the body, makes you unfit and the recovery speed from injury becomes slow. So yes, it is his fault his injury history and no part anybody else, he has taken the piss out of this club, has not had an ounce of respect to get his act together and repay the fans and manager who have shown too much support for him and in return he will leave with a legacy of being our biggest waste of money EVER.

Arthur Jones
37   Posted 27/03/2009 at 12:43:57

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Those of you who are championing VDM?s cause are surely basing your opinions on the half-decent player that was left behind at Inter 4 years ago, because I?ve never seen anybody resembling that person some of you are wetting yourselves over, playing for Everton! One cross and suddenly hes a world-beater? Wake up!

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