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Recognition for Jags
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There is a report over on Football 365 that Jags has recieved a lot of support from his fellow professionals and could be in the running for Player of the Year.
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5097988,00.html
This is great news. Jags has been tremendous again for us this season and it's nice to see it hasn't gone unnoticed.
Dean Williamson, Posted 25/03/2009 at 08:25:09
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It will not doubt go to Stevie Mee Laaa, even though he is now a proven thug.
He hasn’t missed a game and has made very few mistakes.
But in all likelyhood Stevie Mee will get the award , despite missing games and being arrested sorry rested for part of the season.
However I would be suprised if he doesn?t win the Everton award. As for footballer of the year I would probably say Vidic but I fully expect Darling Stevie to win it because we shouldn?t forget what a wonderful professional he is!
COYB FTRS
A few points:
1) it?s very tough for a defender to win the award ? no defender has won the Football Writer?s Award for fucking ages and only Terry and Paul McGrath have won the PFA title in the Premier League era. This is because goalscorers get all the limelight.
2) Players from outside the top clubs do and can win the award(s): Ginola won it when at Spurs in ?99.
3) As Evertonians we generally only watch Everton "Live", so at best we get to see the opposition players in the flesh twice a season. The journos and the pros see every club several times, or have a more informed opinion (in terms of the players) as to who has been the best opponent they?ve come up against.
So - I don?t think there?s any sort of conspiracy. The winner should probably be Vidic and (much as I hate to say it) I?d have Gerrard up there.
If I was voting I?d probably have a shortlist of
Vidic
Gerrard
A Young
Van Persie
Jagielka
Jags would probably be bottom of that pile.
Could the reason for the accolade going to a top four team, possibly be that they have the best players who play the best football consistently?
Jags has been superb for long periods this season. Unfortunately this has been interupted by periods when he has been played out of position and played rather poorly.
Vidic plays for the Mancs who get attacked a few times a game, when Jags plays for us and actually has to defend most fo the 90 minutes!!
As people pointed out, Jags had Torres in his pocket for 270 minutes, yet Vidic couldnt cope with him for 30 seconds.
If you put Jags in the Manc side he would be considered a god in my opinion.
Manc defenders are over rated, cos when do they ever have any defending to do?!?!?!
Especially whenever his offensive game consists of hoofing it?
I don?t think we?d be so charitable.
Jags is a good stopper, but surely the Player of the Year has to actually be able to play?
It was in one of yesterdays newspapers that Jags was linked with the PFA player of the year award.
Trade union members, who do the job week in, week out, are the best judges of their peers’ efforts or;
the PFA vote is an exercise in back-scratching and log-rolling, with the biggest squads voting for a team-mate, hence the Sky4 ten-year stranglehold.
Discuss.
Interesting to compare it to the LMA award, which cold, hard logic suggests should go to whichever of the purple-nosed, gum-chewing, selectively-myopic, implausibly-goateed, preening denizen of the top four places has accumulated the most trinkets in a given season. Except Mr Moyes has lifted it twice, suggesting that his peers are applying some kind of co-efficient to their votes. Which suggests to me that if the PFA applied the same kind of co-efficient, Phil Jagielka would be a candidate, (taking being played out of position into account). So would Arteta (strong season cut short through no fault of his own). And Martin Turner (sterling performances for a team currently in freefall). And Scott Carson (shipping shedloads of goals, but making shedloads of saves behind a defence that’s been on holiday since September).
Anyone who gets to play football for a living, and whose weekly salary comes in five or six digits, and who worries about getting another trinket from his mates has self-esteem problems that Freud, Jung and Frazier Crane would run a mile from. Remind you of anyone? Those kind of problems could land a guy in court ...
I?ve read a hundred post?s slaughtering Everton's hoofball tactics at Portsmouth, I can remember Jags putting his foot through the ball at least 4 times at Fratten Park, he was unmarked or unchallenged every time, on one occasion he even volleyed the ball from his own half straight out of play for a goal kick.
I know what the PFA player of the year award is, I also know Jags won't be getting it. My point is, it doesn't make sense for anyone to come on TW and declare their hatred for hoofball to then advocate Jags for such a prestigious award.
Having said that, I much prefer it when we play a passing game and we look a lot better for it but we are not the professionals they are and a centre-half's primary job is to keep the opposition from scoring. Something he has done extremely well this season and I for one put him head and shoulders above Vidic who has to resort to fouling people to get the better of them.
And another thing: if Jagielka played for a top 4 club, he would pass. Jagielka does not pass because he has no-one to pass forward to, the only thing he can do is pass across, pass back to goal or hoof it. If our midfielders created space for Jagielka, he?d pass it!!
Think of Utd? Carrick, Fletcher, Scholes and Anderson all do it for them! Think of the shite? Alonso and Mascherano! Think of Chelsea? Deco, Ballack, Mikel, Lampard! Think of Arsenal? Song, Denilson, Diaby, Fabregas (when fit!!)
The only player we have is Arteta, and at certain times Cahill, who could do this. It?s not Jagielka?s fault, it?s the midfielders who don?t allow space for the centre backs to pass it to them!
Now people who applaud Dave Wilson are not looking at this properly; surely people see that Lescott, Yobo or Jagielka when playing centre back have no choice but to hoof it?! There?s no link between centre back and centre mid since Arteta left!!
I understand the reason why we play hoofball. I wrote a whole bloody article on the subject on this site last year, saying exactly what you are saying now, I think I even entitled it "Hoofball"
But it's you my friend who doesn't understand the situation: even when we did get the ball down and play in the middle of this season, Jags struggled to come to terms with it. Baines Lescot and even Hibbert embraced it, but you would still see Arteta occasionally beat his sides in frustration when Jags launched one over his head.
The Jag is a brilliant defender, he?s very quick, very strong and very brave, but it takes a different sort of bravery to hold on to the ball that split-second longer when you're the last line of defence, that split-second sometimes makes the difference between a nice easy pass or aimlessly hoofing the ball up the park. playing football, or hoofball.
Phil tried to play a couple of times early in the season, unfortunately he got his fingers burnt. He seems to have been scarred by that but, until he finds the confidence to hold on to the ball a split-second longer, he will never be considered a ball-playing defender. Now, if your happy to think "he?s not there to pass" ? fine, that's your opinion... but don't then complain when we play "hoofball".
One more thing, Ben. I was with a mate from Southsea on Saturday, I sat in that pokey little stand to the left of our fans, the first time the Jag launched it, Pienaar was in acres of space calling for the ball and when the Jag volleyed it straight for a goalkick, Pienaar was jumping up and down screaming for it; the Pompey supporters around me fell about laughing.
Yes, you're correct, the midfield players DO need to make themselves available, but it's a two-way thing and defenders have to trust their own ability to find them.
You still did not respond to my post with the top 4 situation, I reckon most of the defenders in the top 4 (probably expect Ferdinand and Vidic) would do exactly the same as Jags if they played for Everton. There’s never a midfielder looking for space for them, and we need to work on that.
And by the way, I do complain about hoofball as much as everyone does, but I blame the management rather than players, because the players know they can pass the ball, just the management are obviously not training them well enough to pass from defense to midfield.
I disagree about the top four too, Chelsea play hoofball everytime Drogba plays, Hypia and Carragher are happy to give it the big boot too, Liverpool?s keeper has four assists in the last two matches alone, in fact when Alonso isn't playing they are worse than us for knocking it long.
The pace of the EPL does not afford central defenders the luxury of developing their ball playing skills thats why England have struggled, people like Carragher, John Terry, and dare I say it, the Jag are terrific defenders but top international football requires slightly more, thats why England will always get found out, no matter how many Rooneys or Gerrards are in the team.
With the exceptions of Arsenal, Man United and WBA, every team in in the Prem plays hoofball to varying degrees, of course it helps when you have players of the calibre of Scholes or Carrick looking to take responsibility from their defenders and I?d like to see how Man U would cope with them two out injured, especially the much vaunted Rio.
Anyway like most Evertonians, I only care about Everton and let's be honest, we do launch it more than neccesary. I didn't seek to single Jags out, but the article is actually about him.
Why then should Jags be exempt from criticism for his woeful distribution?


1 Posted 25/03/2009 at 13:32:06
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He pointed out that Jags had Torres in his pocket for the whole game the other week, a rather different story to how well Vidic performed against him. Torres is without doubt a world class player and Jags didn’t give him a sniff.
To hear this and to have this conversation, particularly with one of the darkside, was a truely great feeling to say the least.