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It was interesting to read David Moyes's comments recently that he had given his plan to the board for next season and if cash was as scarce as this season then we would be lucky to stay in the top ten.
We have all gone on in varying degrees of positiveness about the "Everton Way" and "Youth development" as the way forward in the absence of funds and I have to say it's been a pleasure to see Rodwell, Anichebe and Gosling develop this season. However, I don't think any among us has the confidence that we have another "Rooney" on our hands at any stage of development on our books at the moment. Kissock is a great talent but looks to be another Ossie ie, too lightweight for the Premier League.
And that for me is the rub. The best players are born not manufactured. You can develop kids so far but the difference in a top class player is usually natural ability within themselves. Ferguson, although I hate saying it, was amongst the first to identify this and sent people around the country poaching all the top class kids when he first came to United.
So how do we find these players?
I thought the "Everton way" was a step in the right direction but that required players to come to the club's camp for trials amongst thousands of others, thereby diluting the chance of finding raw natural talent.
The one area I question with EFC is our scouting network. Steve Bruce at Wigan has unearthed some South American gems from setting up a scouting network there. I also believe with our South African connections there must be opportunity there and not forgetting Russia where there is definitely lots of talent.
Based on the opportunities for first team action, EFC has to be an attractive proposition for a kid but we need to be out there spreading the Everton gospel and scouting network which I don't believe we are.
Jay Harris, Posted 26/03/2009 at 17:50:47
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And whatever scout told him Fellaini was a £15m central midfielder needs showing the door! Handful up front... yes, box-to-box or playmaking midfielder? ... No!
According to the press, all of these players had been doing the rounds in Europe trying to impress clubs in France, England and Spain. For whatever reason we lost out.
DM has done well picking gems from the Championship but our what could a Valencia or Palacios do for our midfield?
In the UK we have one of the best scouting networks available ? added to that, probably the best training facilty in the country at Finch Farm which will attract top youngsters, but it may take time for these youngsters to come through the system.
As for the comments about Baxter, he's only 16, for god's sake ? give him a break and time somebody, also I found a comment about Vaughan being a Championship player completly ludicrous.
The Fellaini scout to be shown the door? ? the lad's 20 and doing remarkably well in his first season, make your comments about him at the end of the next season, when he has had a fair crack. This lad will get stronger, fitter, wiser and only better, in a few years he could be unplayable, so don't go slagging him off already.
As for South American imports, rarely do you drop lucky, they need a lot of time to adapt, Castillo is Ecuador's first name on their teamsheet for his country, but not on Everton's ? does that not tell you why?
Moyes is looking British and it is paying dividends, look at our defence! Also if Fifa put a foreign number cap on your first 11, you won't be looking at South Americans or anybody else beyond this land.
Enough said.
Unearthing these gems really is not so easy. That’s why no club does it on a regular basis. There’s a lot of risk involved. For every Palacios there’s a Segundo Castillo.
It looks like our youth setup is coming along nicely. We’ve got some decent kids coming through and there will be more in furture. There have been numerous examples of kids choosing to join us over the likes of Man U and the RS cause they know they’ll get a chance here. In 5-10 years we’ll have one of the best youth set ups around
Jay you make out as if, if you're not great when you're young, you never will be; well, there are a few nearby examples which flaw your argument. You don't seem to take into account players' stages of development and growth rate.
I know a couple of people who were at school with Steven Gerrard, who said some people didn't think he was going to make it as late as 17-18 because he was too small; it was similar for David Beckam, who also developed quite late physically.
At our own club we have let the likes of Jags, Baines, Nugent and Johnson from Man City go because they weren't thought to be good enough because of their late development.
People on here need to learn to be patient, and for someone to write of Baxter as a Championship player at 16 is ludicrous. I am glad Moyes has the foresight and has learnt from the past and is willing to keep hold of players like Kissock a bit longer than maybe we would have in the past.
As for our inferior scouting network: Arteta, Cahill and Pienaar combined cost about as much as Portsmouth paid for David Nugent?? Not bad scouting if you ask me...
Moyes and his team are turning Everton around. We used to be relegation fodder year on year, now we are disappointed if we finish outside the top 6. This is a slow process but we are doing it the right way and instilling a great team spirit along the way.
We have, in my mind, potentially the best back 4 in the league, a keeper who is prone to the odd mistake but still the best stopper we have had since big Nev and some very good striking talent. The gap is in midfield but over the next few years as Fellaini, Rodwell, Gosling develop I think we will see huge improvement here too.
If Bill can lay his hands on a few quid this summer I do think we need a midfield general. More of a Keane than a Moutinho. Phil Neville has done well there this year, always gives 100% but is limited.
Overall, Moyes, and his development of the club, is a credit to the game.
Did you know he broke several tournament goalscoring records between the ages of 9 and 15, most of which were previously held by a chap called Michael Owen. He has been developing nicely in the background and could, I said COULD, be a world class player.
To write him and many others off so early is a disgrace, and shows up the depth of your knowledge and support for the mighty toffees. Everton FC is not just a senior squad, why don?t you scratch beneath the surface of our wonderful club, you might learn something.
Its not only Baxter by the way, watch out for Jake Bidwell, Ross Barkley, Eunan O?Kane, Shane Duffy, Hope Akpan. Not saying they will all make it, but they are clear signs that the future is bright in our academy. They are not the only ones either.
But the earlier comment about Jose Baxter, was out of order.
Like all 16yr olds he is keen, but he has real ability, and given the correct
coaching the boy will be hopefully a future star at Everton.
As Gareth has mentioned there are more in the youth set up,
So just let the coaches do their job, and hope they make it.
http://www.evertonfc.com/match/league-tables.html?team=8135
Your comment smacks of pure ignorance to be honest.
Because several top quality youngsters qualified to play in the youth sides are in and around the first team. You can’t be in two places at once.
I am not knocking DM who has done wonders with a frankly mediocre squad further hurt by injuries to many senior players..EFC have been fantastic especially in defence, but I am certain that the kids were not played according to any pre conceived planning...it was forced on us because of the dearth of senior players fit and available to play.
The organisation and planning at the start of the season was ’OSTRICH’ like.
"Under Moyes I?ve always had the feeling that our scouts mainly focus on talent within the UK. He?s very rarily gone in Europe and picked a gem so effectively as he has from the lower leagues in Britain
’scuse me but didn’t Arteta, Pienaar, Fellaini, Van Der Meyde, Valente, Fernandez, Jacobsen, DaSilva, Castillo all come from European clubs?
Are you a boy or venture scout?
Jason Heng,
The league table doesn’t tell the entire story. That team may not be top of the table, but if there are players in that team capable of developing into first teamers then that is of primary importance.
The fat twat in charge of the shite sacked Steve Heighway (ex-shite youth director) cause he focused too much on winning trophies and not enough on developing the players.
Another reason the youth team isn’t doing as well this year as last year is maybe because - due to the first team injuries - reserve players have been pulled up to the first team, and so a lot of youth players have been pulled up to the reserves prematurely, and so [younger/lesser quality] youth players have been pulled into the youth team.
As you're a man in the know and have such expert knowledge about judging young talent, could you tell us the next big talents to look out for, or who you have scouted and spotted?
What ever your ability to spot talent I think it's crazy to write off a 16-year-old, considering the amount of players written off who have since blossomed, and equally the players overhyped such as Fredi Adu, Jamain Pennant, Pongolle and Le Tallec, Wayne Routledge who was rated higher than Wayne Rooney when both at youth level etc, etc.
16 is far too young to judge a player and say he is a Championship player or equally say he's a future England captain, like some have said about Rodwell after only 2 good games.
I was merely asking the question how do we find the players that make the difference ? the Rooneys, Ronaldos, KakaS etc. without waiting to pay a huge fee once they are established.
Martin Berry, I thought Ray Hall had been put in charge of the "Everton Way" program which as I said was a step forward but was limited due to the fact it relies on kids turning up for trials with hundreds of others.
Can you expand on the scouting network details that the rest of us haven?t got a clue about? As far as I am aware ? and I am not saying this sarcastically ? it is a few agents not scouts.
http://www.kensingtonvision.org/kensingtonvision/Channels/Sport/2386.htm
Having seen the likes of Franny, Rooney, Ossie, Hibbo, Mark Hughes (no, not that one!), Michael Ball, Richard Dunne and Phil Jevons come through (to name a few) and all still be involved in the game proves the point. Ray Hall also recentley said the current crop of youngsters are the best he?s seen in years ? and that's some statement from a man not reknowned for going overboard.
It could be staggering to think the next gem like Rooney may already be here ? just be patient and hope and pray we don't go like the shite at Anfield and start bringing kids from abroad who struggle to settle but cost the club thousands in bringing them here only to move them on again... Keep the faith in Moyes we trust!!!
I know there are lots of intiatives out there mainly aimed at helping communities and keeping kids on the straight and narrow but my point is: What can EFC do to identify and get another "Rooney"?
If they do, then it would be a big achievement because so few do actually make the grade. To say, "How can we identify and get another "Rooney"? is more difficult than it seems because they are not only hard to come by but it's also hard to compete for their signature.
I heard from a scout whose 14-year-old nephew is a Blue and was playing for Everton but Blackburn have offered him £500 a week, and he's only 14! Is it right for Everton to go down that route?
It would be interesting to see how much Everton invests in youth development all told per annum. The £27-30 million odd for Rooney and the £10 million for old "Fox in the Box" alone likely amply covers Everton?s all time youth expenditure. Make no mistake, we are envied by other clubs for our youth structure, and it is the likes of Everton and Villa that hold the future for the England team. In addition, these players are more likely to fight the Everton way, and mesh cleanly into the team spirit Moyes has moulded. You simply cannot maintain such team spirit, and it has won us many points this season, by bringing together such and such player from Equador, and such and such player from Darkest Peru.
Anyway, main point is that our youth setup is the last thing that should make you unhappy.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/aachen-winger-lewis-holtby-makes-come-and-get-me-plea-everton-235082
One for the doubters.... Young Gun wants Everton!
"When I went to Everton I saw how many youth players had gone through into the first team and I think I will have a better chance with them than some of the other teams who were interested."
Maybe it helps show that our youth scouting system is working


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